Posted by: The Tim

Tim Ellis is the founder of Seattle Bubble. His background in engineering and computer / internet technology, a fondness of data-based analysis of problems, and an addiction to spreadsheets all influence his perspective on the Seattle-area real estate market.

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  1. my solution for affordable housing is to wait until next year when the 2 trillion in ARM’s begin readjusting.

    Pennies on the dollar

  2. How about a “Sit Back and Wait” campaign? No sense rushing into something one might be in for seven to thirty years.

    And, ah, according to the Historical Census of Housing Tables the rate of homeownership in the State of Washington has DECREASED since 1960, reaching its ebb at 62.6% at the time of the 1990 census.

    Aren’t there first-time homebuying programs as a result of the 62.6% homeownership rate? What did the Washington State Speakers and Governors do over the past forty-five years, as home ownership percentages decreased?

    I’d suggest a reduced tax penalty for people who transfer their retirement savings accounts toward downpayments for home purchase, but Washington doesn’t have individual state income tax.

    Or, hey, those who want some benefits of home ownership but who recognize they can’t afford to outright buy could investigate co-housing.

  3. This is a complete joke…

    For starters the State Government knows where its bread is buttered, insane state and local revenue from skyrocketing property/sales tax, etcetera, huge surge in housing related jobs… why would any of these complicite institutions (Realtors and Lawmakers) have any insentive at ALL to make housing more affordable, they could care less!

    Basically its this.. “Okay ladies and gentlemen, lets all agree there needs to be more affordable housing, agreed? okay, agreed… next order of business”

    Not to get too political, but I find it annoying when the KVI crowd lament “The People’s Republic of King County”. Well folks, I’m here to tell you, it ain’t no communist collective. This county’s full of the most greedy, money loving, materialists liberal-in-name-only group of voters this side of Havana. I just dare some one to put an “affordable housing” propostion on the state/local ballot, mandating a certain amount of building permits be dedicated to the middle-low income crowd, and watch out!

    “Will this make my home value go down? No way, no on that!… but that save the Gray Whale/bio-fuel initiative? Boy-howdee that looks like an eco-friendly law I can really get behind!!”

    Hypocrits…

  4. Think you pretty much nailed it there Tim.

    As long as everyone was willing to kill themselves with crazy loans, it didn’t matter HOW high prices went to these people.

    Now that the boom’s going bust, let’s talk about affordable housing.

    Or better yet, let’s figure out ways to talk those reluctant last few buyers into a lifetime of debt at the market top.

    Like that stupid “Expanding American Home -ownership Act of 2006″ that was just passed by our brilliant Congress.

    And you’re right, Anon 4:12, the real solution for affordable housing is to just sit back and wait for this market to crash and burn.

    A mega credit crunch with a return to 20% downpayment ought to make these houses cheaper than anyone can imagine.

    Somebody told me that during the 30’s, 50-60% downpayments were the norm.

    Can you imagine how cheap houses would get?!

    Fannie and Freddie and all the “expanding home ownership ” tricks have been nothing but a windfall for banks, raking in massive interest payments for the past several decades.

  5. Most baby boomers approaching retirement don’t have squat. If they have a home, all they have is the equity assuming that they haven’t used it as an atm and blown their wad. Most have very little savings and huge credit card debts. I work for the Feds and a lot of the workers were using their Thrift Savings Plan (TSP) as an atm withdrawing $$ as soon as they paid off their previous loan. I found out that most plan to take their TSP out in cash withdrawals when they retire instead of taking an annuity. They will have very little. I live in SW Washington and it isn’t a whole lot better here. I hope that things explode down here also. It would cost me double in monthly mortgage payments what I now pay in rent. Let there be a melt down!

  6. They tried to tackle this affordable housing issue down in San Diego by requiring develpers to include a few inexpensive units in their projects. The way the math worked was that they just made up the difference by increasing the price of the other units.

  7. Have some observations to share based on driving all over Seattle, Kirkland, Redmond, Bellevue, Burien, Des Moines, Renton and Kent looking for a house to rent.

    1) more and more houses coming onto rental market. Every one that has an “overpriced” monthly rent has been bought in last 3 years. Whereas you could “shoot for the moon” with house prices, rentals that are overpriced just tend to sit. The pain associated with “negative cash flow” is just starting for many who are determined to hold onto the house they overpaid for and expect someone else to pay for their mistake….good luck. Whereas houses whose rent is priced right stop reappearing.

    2) It is amazing to be driving thru a Kent neighborhood (looking like “the hood”) and see a brand new California-style “palace” (complete with stucco siding and red tile roof) squeezed in between two typical 50 year old decaying ramblers……..WHAT WERE THESE PEOPLE THINKING? KENT?!!!

    3) There are a lot of rentals of new subdivision homes in the Kent/Renton area that were just built in the last 2 or 3 years. These homes are typically quite large and very pricey. It appears that builders have purposely built large homes (McMansions) with hefty price tags. So this bubble is a combination of low interest rates, suicide loans, speculation, CA Equity locusts, loose lending standards, and builders building the biggest houses they can where clearly more modest homes would be more prudent.

    4) But strangely enough, when I drove thru the neighborhoods mentioned in 3) there were mostly minorities (kids and mothers mostly). In fact all the for sale signs pictured a chinese real estate agent. How can these folks (most likely immigrants) afford these McMansions? I guess the RE agent, the builder, the bank, the appraiser, Home Depot, and the tax collector don’t really care as long as SOMEBODY allows the party to continue. I would love to talk to some of these new home owners and find out how much they make and what type of financing they were talked into. I fear that the most vulnerable are gonna be the biggest losers. I make twice the average salary of the typical King Co resident and could come up with 20% down on a 700K home. But I still could not AFFORD the home. The monthly payments (30 year fixed) would make me “house poor”.

    5) The amount of new construction (houses, condos, high rises) is staggering. Assuming that this is the story all over the country (and even the world), high home costs become a self-fulfilling prophey as builders use the maximum amount of materials which drive up material costs which drive up home prices which cause more building which…ad nauseum.

    6) Neighborhoods like Denny Blaine, Leschi, and Madison Park have had the biggest price jumps as this (along with Kirkland/Bellevue) is where the cash rich CA equity locusts have chowed down. Problem is that there are a lot of older “dumpy” homes whose values have ridden the coat-tails of the “high end” homes. But the CA equity locusts are very selective. A lot of the “dumpy” homes in these areas are gonna fall from 40% to 60% because they were never that “desirable” except to flippers who hoped that somehow nobody would be able to tell the difference between a mansion and a dump as long as the zip code was “correct”.

    I had stated a few months ago that I thought Seattle RE would fall anywhere by 20% to 40% with an average about 33%. After what I have seen after a month of intensive house hunting has made me adjust my numbers. I now predict that Seattle RE will fall from 30% in the less bubbly areas to as much as 60% in the REALLY bubbly areas.

    This time truly “is different” in that it is a “perfect storm” in so many ways that I am scared for this country.

  8. I took my sons into town for a bike ride/jog, and had to find a place to park the van. There was a young ‘30 something’ chick painting a house that was advertised “For Rent.” I chatted her up and asked what the rent was. She didn’t know, even though she was the owner. All she knew was that “rents are going up.”

    I asked how she knew about this, and she said she heard it on the news. OK, fine. Here I am being told about how ‘rents are going up,’ yet she doesn’t even know how much she is going to rent it. One would think that if someone sank $50K + a $400K note, they would have some idea of WTF they would need to make their investment payout.

    Observation 2: There is a wild jump in inventory between last summer/fall and now. From my experience in North Texas, when people fail to sell, and the house is vacant, they will attempt to rent it or gut the price.

    Price gutting won’t happen until next year, so my guess is there is about to be a renters’ bonanza starting about mid-September. I think it will be a total rout in rent rates.

    While I may be wrong, my guess is all the quacking about higher rents is exactly that. The MSM and REIC are trying to talk people up.

    Having an otherwise nice house sit vacant through a long, dark, wet winter is going to be a money loser like you cannot believe. Nothing gets an owner POed like having to pay a power bill for a house they don’t use.

    If a house rents for $1600/mo, and the FLL wants to hike it $250, but the house goes vacant in September, it will only take 2 months before they were better off keeping the rate at its present level.

    America is about to get a very powerful math lesson.

    Life is a story problem.

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