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Tim Ellis is the founder of Seattle Bubble. His background in engineering and computer / internet technology, a fondness of data-based analysis of problems, and an addiction to spreadsheets all influence his perspective on the Seattle-area real estate market.

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  1. Yay! Thanks Tim. I’ve been wondering what the opinions were about those building permit issuances. Good to see it seemed “astounding” to you as well.

  2. We got a new headline today: Existing Home Sales Drop in July to Lowest Level Since January 2004.

    But why are prices still so high here? When will they really go down in Seattle?

  3. I think that the increase in permits is likely to have little or no effect on the downward phase of pricing. If prices start dropping signficantly, many of the new units will just go unbuilt (especially condos). The remainder (typically the first ones started) will take a while to start selling/complete, so by the time they hit the market they will represent a drop in the bucket relative to what should be high supply levels.

    However, if for some reason prices do not drop, then the additional units will mercifully have the effect of at least slowing down the rate of appreciation (or perhaps tipping the balance to a slowdown).

  4. I’ve been wondering what the opinions were about those building permit issuances. Good to see it seemed “astounding” to you as well.

    It really shouldn’t be astounding at all–the builders (and the investors that fund them) know that we’re in a bubble, and they’re all trying to get their goods to market before it pops. That’s why there’s such a sense of urgency.

    If the RE market is going to keep going up, up, up forever, then there’s no real reason to hurry up and build right now, as building in 5 years from now will still produce huge rates of return–even higher then those achieved today, assuming that RE prices continue to appreciate faster than the cost of building.

    But if the market is going to cool off and prices stabilize or (gasp) fall, then watch out. Builders aren’t stupid–they know how to strike while the iron is hot. Only once the hammer bounces off the cold, hard metal will they stop pounding. Chilled steel ahead!

  5. Anyone on this board know about the progress with Cascadia.

    I have been trying to gather data on the development and its impact to the area.

    For the life of me, I can not imagine going forth with a project of such scale as we entering into a recession. In addition, this will be no ordinary recession. It will most likely be two, long and deep, back to back recessions, with a good quarter pumped in between.

    Any information on Crashcadia would be appreciated.

    Crashcadia

  6. I’d be interested to see what your affordability graph looks like for the ‘88-94 bubble/recession. Also, would be interesting to see a similar chart for San Diego, the “canary in the coal mine” for the real estate bubble. Perhaps the affordability index you plot has a long way to go before it reaches SD’s levels? Or perhaps we are already there?

  7. do you have a plot like this for Snohomish county?
    Driving around Bothell/Mill Creek/Snohomish, things still seem to be booming around here.

  8. >san diego, canary in the coal mine

    I was looking over on “The Bubblemarkets Inv Tracking” site, and noticed that San Diego hit a ratio of 1:196 listing per population on December 10, 2005. With 14,591 homes for sale. Now they’re at 1:130 and a record 23,562 homes for sale.

    What’s interesting is that we here in Seattle just hit the same ratio (1:197) on 08/09/06, 12,858 homes for sale.

    I wonder how many months it will take for King County to reach 1:130? 8 months? I’d say six.

  9. For anyone interested in Bill Fleckenstein’s take on real estate via the Wall Stree Journal story today…here it is:

    “Reckoning with Real-Estate Residue
    To gain an appreciation for the ongoing pain in housing, I encourage everyone to read an especially well-written story in today’s Wall Street Journal titled “After the Boom — Housing Slump Proves Painful for Some Owners and Builders.”

    In this chronicle of how the party has turned into a bust, the writer includes two illuminating vignettes. The first one introduces a man who bought his house about five years ago for $212,000. Now he wants to sell it for just under $500,000 so that he buy another house for $920,000.
    This is a good example of how folks behaved during the housing mania. In six years or less, they doubled, quadrupled, or by some other number multiplied the size of the house they thought they could afford.

    Granted, this individual may potentially have planned on coming up with a sizable downpayment, thanks to the gains in his current home. But the size of his new mortgage will almost certainly be two or three times what it had been a few years ago, and the story didn’t suggest he’d received a big promotion.

    The second vignette describes the case of a woman who’d hoped to sell her house for $1.1 million (based on recent appraisals), but wound up selling it for $530,000. Such a 50% haircut is a not-unreasonable expectation, given the size of declines that are seen in the wake of a mania. The story contains many other useful data points that make it a true “keeper.”

    Just thought I would share…

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