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> <channel><title>Comments on: Seattle&#8217;s Housing Barometer: Bubble</title> <atom:link href="http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2006/09/01/seattles-housing-barometer-bubble/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2006/09/01/seattles-housing-barometer-bubble/</link> <description>local real estate news, statistics, and commentary without the sales spin.</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 17:07:06 -0700</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: bubblehead</title><link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2006/09/01/seattles-housing-barometer-bubble/#comment-6324</link> <dc:creator>bubblehead</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2006 04:42:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://seattlebubble.com/blog/?p=381#comment-6324</guid> <description>If someone else used a similarly lame study to prove the there was no bubble here, you&#039;d rip them to shreds.  But you&#039;re happy to use anything if it confirms your own preconceived beliefs.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;6324&#039;,&#039;bubblehead&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;6324&#039;,&#039;bubblehead&#039;,&#039;If someone else used a similarly lame study to prove the there was no bubble here, you\&#039;d rip them to shreds.  But you\&#039;re happy to use anything if it confirms your own preconceived beliefs.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If someone else used a similarly lame study to prove the there was no bubble here, you&#8217;d rip them to shreds.  But you&#8217;re happy to use anything if it confirms your own preconceived beliefs.<div
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isPermaLink="false">http://seattlebubble.com/blog/?p=381#comment-6322</guid> <description>&quot;I&#039;ll admit that I&#039;ve never heard of John Burns Real Estate Consulting...I&#039;m assuming they&#039;re not exactly a big name in the industry.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;With all due respect, I think you are getting slightly out of your league here, he&#039;s been consulting to the GIANTS for a couple decades. Also, its not &quot;a study&quot;, its continually updated research based on relatively broad-brush MSA stats (WSU does some of the same things county-wise for the state).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Similar generic analysis can be found here - http://www.localmarketmonitor.com/HomeValueRating.xls&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Good starting point, but not micro enough.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;6322&#039;,&#039;Anonymous&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;6322&#039;,&#039;Anonymous&#039;,&#039;\&quot;I\&#039;ll admit that I\&#039;ve never heard of John Burns Real Estate Consulting...I\&#039;m assuming they\&#039;re not exactly a big name in the industry.\&quot;&lt;br\/&gt;&lt;br\/&gt;With all due respect, I think you are getting slightly out of your league here, he\&#039;s been consulting to the GIANTS for a couple decades. Also, its not \&quot;a study\&quot;, its continually updated research based on relatively broad-brush MSA stats (WSU does some of the same things county-wise for the state).&lt;br\/&gt;&lt;br\/&gt;Similar generic analysis can be found here - http:\/\/www.localmarketmonitor.com\/HomeValueRating.xls&lt;br\/&gt;&lt;br\/&gt;Good starting point, but not micro enough.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I&#8217;ll admit that I&#8217;ve never heard of John Burns Real Estate Consulting&#8230;I&#8217;m assuming they&#8217;re not exactly a big name in the industry.&#8221;</p><p>With all due respect, I think you are getting slightly out of your league here, he&#8217;s been consulting to the GIANTS for a couple decades. Also, its not &#8220;a study&#8221;, its continually updated research based on relatively broad-brush MSA stats (WSU does some of the same things county-wise for the state).</p><p>Similar generic analysis can be found here &#8211; <a
href="http://www.localmarketmonitor.com/HomeValueRating.xls" rel="nofollow">http://www.localmarketmonitor.com/HomeValueRating.xls</a></p><p>Good starting point, but not micro enough.<div
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href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('6322','Anonymous','\&quot;I\'ll admit that I\'ve never heard of John Burns Real Estate Consulting...I\'m assuming they\'re not exactly a big name in the industry.\&quot;&lt;br\/&gt;&lt;br\/&gt;With all due respect, I think you are getting slightly out of your league here, he\'s been consulting to the GIANTS for a couple decades. Also, its not \&quot;a study\&quot;, its continually updated research based on relatively broad-brush MSA stats (WSU does some of the same things county-wise for the state).&lt;br\/&gt;&lt;br\/&gt;Similar generic analysis can be found here - http:\/\/www.localmarketmonitor.com\/HomeValueRating.xls&lt;br\/&gt;&lt;br\/&gt;Good starting point, but not micro enough.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2006/09/01/seattles-housing-barometer-bubble/#comment-6320</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2006 02:49:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://seattlebubble.com/blog/?p=381#comment-6320</guid> <description>Thankyou for tracking down this article Tim.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Any chance you could track down the great NAR data that shows Seattle as top 6 for ARM&#039;s?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s a pretty graph that&#039;s included in the &quot;Leadership Summit August 2006&quot;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;There are some very disturbing stats on Seattle that many people here just do not want to face.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My fear is more people will be hurt by this market than need to be.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If the regular media were responsible, this NAR graph would have been published by now in the local papers.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Somebody has to let the people know the facts.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Will you do it please?&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;6320&#039;,&#039;Anonymous&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;6320&#039;,&#039;Anonymous&#039;,&#039;Thankyou for tracking down this article Tim.&lt;br\/&gt;&lt;br\/&gt;Any chance you could track down the great NAR data that shows Seattle as top 6 for ARM\&#039;s?&lt;br\/&gt;&lt;br\/&gt;It\&#039;s a pretty graph that\&#039;s included in the \&quot;Leadership Summit August 2006\&quot;.&lt;br\/&gt;&lt;br\/&gt;There are some very disturbing stats on Seattle that many people here just do not want to face.&lt;br\/&gt;&lt;br\/&gt;My fear is more people will be hurt by this market than need to be.&lt;br\/&gt;&lt;br\/&gt;If the regular media were responsible, this NAR graph would have been published by now in the local papers.&lt;br\/&gt;&lt;br\/&gt;Somebody has to let the people know the facts.&lt;br\/&gt;&lt;br\/&gt;Will you do it please?&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thankyou for tracking down this article Tim.</p><p>Any chance you could track down the great NAR data that shows Seattle as top 6 for ARM&#8217;s?</p><p>It&#8217;s a pretty graph that&#8217;s included in the &#8220;Leadership Summit August 2006&#8243;.</p><p>There are some very disturbing stats on Seattle that many people here just do not want to face.</p><p>My fear is more people will be hurt by this market than need to be.</p><p>If the regular media were responsible, this NAR graph would have been published by now in the local papers.</p><p>Somebody has to let the people know the facts.</p><p>Will you do it please?<div
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href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('6320','Anonymous','Thankyou for tracking down this article Tim.&lt;br\/&gt;&lt;br\/&gt;Any chance you could track down the great NAR data that shows Seattle as top 6 for ARM\'s?&lt;br\/&gt;&lt;br\/&gt;It\'s a pretty graph that\'s included in the \&quot;Leadership Summit August 2006\&quot;.&lt;br\/&gt;&lt;br\/&gt;There are some very disturbing stats on Seattle that many people here just do not want to face.&lt;br\/&gt;&lt;br\/&gt;My fear is more people will be hurt by this market than need to be.&lt;br\/&gt;&lt;br\/&gt;If the regular media were responsible, this NAR graph would have been published by now in the local papers.&lt;br\/&gt;&lt;br\/&gt;Somebody has to let the people know the facts.&lt;br\/&gt;&lt;br\/&gt;Will you do it please?',''); return false;">Quote</a></div> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: cosmos</title><link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2006/09/01/seattles-housing-barometer-bubble/#comment-6319</link> <dc:creator>cosmos</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2006 02:34:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://seattlebubble.com/blog/?p=381#comment-6319</guid> <description>Here&#039;s just one excerpt from Comstock Partners, Inc.&#039;s 8/31/06 article &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.comstockfunds.com/index.cfm?act=Newsletter.cfm&amp;CFID=7674576&amp;CFTOKEN=28341640&amp;category=Market%20Commentary&amp;newsletterid=1260&amp;menugroup=Home&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;The Dangers Ahead&quot;&lt;/a&gt;: &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;Even more alarming, Washington Mutual, a leading issuer of option ARMs, revealed that it had improperly calculated some customer debt/income ratios for 2004 and most of 2005.  As a result, borrowers qualified for loans at lower interest rates than was justified by their personal financial situations.  According to the company, the unpaid balance of borrowers who mistakenly qualified totaled $30 billion.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Take a look at their whole article, if you dare. In their view, and mine, what we are seeing in the market is just the beginning of a fairly drastic change, in the economy - and in housing.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;6319&#039;,&#039;cosmos&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;6319&#039;,&#039;cosmos&#039;,&#039;Here\&#039;s just one excerpt from Comstock Partners, Inc.\&#039;s 8\/31\/06 article &lt;a HREF=\&quot;http:\/\/www.comstockfunds.com\/index.cfm?act=Newsletter.cfm&amp;CFID=7674576&amp;CFTOKEN=28341640&amp;category=Market%20Commentary&amp;newsletterid=1260&amp;menugroup=Home\&quot; REL=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;\&quot;The Dangers Ahead\&quot;&lt;\/a&gt;: &lt;br\/&gt;&lt;br\/&gt;&lt;i&gt;\&quot;Even more alarming, Washington Mutual, a leading issuer of option ARMs, revealed that it had improperly calculated some customer debt\/income ratios for 2004 and most of 2005.  As a result, borrowers qualified for loans at lower interest rates than was justified by their personal financial situations.  According to the company, the unpaid balance of borrowers who mistakenly qualified totaled $30 billion.\&quot;&lt;\/i&gt;&lt;br\/&gt;&lt;br\/&gt;Take a look at their whole article, if you dare. In their view, and mine, what we are seeing in the market is just the beginning of a fairly drastic change, in the economy - and in housing.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s just one excerpt from Comstock Partners, Inc.&#8217;s 8/31/06 article <a
HREF="http://www.comstockfunds.com/index.cfm?act=Newsletter.cfm&#038;CFID=7674576&#038;CFTOKEN=28341640&#038;category=Market%20Commentary&#038;newsletterid=1260&#038;menugroup=Home" REL="nofollow">&#8220;The Dangers Ahead&#8221;</a>:</p><p><i>&#8220;Even more alarming, Washington Mutual, a leading issuer of option ARMs, revealed that it had improperly calculated some customer debt/income ratios for 2004 and most of 2005.  As a result, borrowers qualified for loans at lower interest rates than was justified by their personal financial situations.  According to the company, the unpaid balance of borrowers who mistakenly qualified totaled $30 billion.&#8221;</i></p><p>Take a look at their whole article, if you dare. In their view, and mine, what we are seeing in the market is just the beginning of a fairly drastic change, in the economy &#8211; and in housing.<div
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href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('6319','cosmos','Here\'s just one excerpt from Comstock Partners, Inc.\'s 8\/31\/06 article &lt;a HREF=\&quot;http:\/\/www.comstockfunds.com\/index.cfm?act=Newsletter.cfm&amp;CFID=7674576&amp;CFTOKEN=28341640&amp;category=Market%20Commentary&amp;newsletterid=1260&amp;menugroup=Home\&quot; REL=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;\&quot;The Dangers Ahead\&quot;&lt;\/a&gt;: &lt;br\/&gt;&lt;br\/&gt;&lt;i&gt;\&quot;Even more alarming, Washington Mutual, a leading issuer of option ARMs, revealed that it had improperly calculated some customer debt\/income ratios for 2004 and most of 2005.  As a result, borrowers qualified for loans at lower interest rates than was justified by their personal financial situations.  According to the company, the unpaid balance of borrowers who mistakenly qualified totaled $30 billion.\&quot;&lt;\/i&gt;&lt;br\/&gt;&lt;br\/&gt;Take a look at their whole article, if you dare. In their view, and mine, what we are seeing in the market is just the beginning of a fairly drastic change, in the economy - and in housing.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: matt</title><link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2006/09/01/seattles-housing-barometer-bubble/#comment-6309</link> <dc:creator>matt</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 16:02:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://seattlebubble.com/blog/?p=381#comment-6309</guid> <description>Wow! A study that looks at historic fundementals, how innovative? &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is the key, affordability. One has to ask, how can houses still be purchased yet affordability hovers ~15%? Well, exotic mortgages, that&#039;s how... Listen folks (and you too Meshugy), people earn wages, wages are used to afford things like shelter, food, transportation, and if we&#039;re a little lucky, investment oppurtunities. People live within their means because if they don&#039;t they usually declare bankruptcy, or in the old timey days, go to debtors prison or get thrown out on the street.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Its been that way since the U.S. Government invented income tax...PEOPLE MUST BE ABLE TO AFFORD HOUSES! If they can&#039;t? Then housing prices fall to where they&#039;re able to be purchased by the consumer. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m sure Tim&#039;s ran the numbers, but it&#039;ll take something like 15 years (someone, please correct me) for average wage growth to reach the historic median for home prices... Persoanlly I don&#039;t think the market can hold out long enough for wages to catch up when lending standards return to sanity... just my guess..&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;6309&#039;,&#039;matt&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;6309&#039;,&#039;matt&#039;,&#039;Wow! A study that looks at historic fundementals, how innovative? &lt;br\/&gt;&lt;br\/&gt;This is the key, affordability. One has to ask, how can houses still be purchased yet affordability hovers ~15%? Well, exotic mortgages, that\&#039;s how... Listen folks (and you too Meshugy), people earn wages, wages are used to afford things like shelter, food, transportation, and if we\&#039;re a little lucky, investment oppurtunities. People live within their means because if they don\&#039;t they usually declare bankruptcy, or in the old timey days, go to debtors prison or get thrown out on the street.&lt;br\/&gt;&lt;br\/&gt;Its been that way since the U.S. Government invented income tax...PEOPLE MUST BE ABLE TO AFFORD HOUSES! If they can\&#039;t? Then housing prices fall to where they\&#039;re able to be purchased by the consumer. &lt;br\/&gt;&lt;br\/&gt;I\&#039;m sure Tim\&#039;s ran the numbers, but it\&#039;ll take something like 15 years (someone, please correct me) for average wage growth to reach the historic median for home prices... Persoanlly I don\&#039;t think the market can hold out long enough for wages to catch up when lending standards return to sanity... just my guess..&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! A study that looks at historic fundementals, how innovative?</p><p>This is the key, affordability. One has to ask, how can houses still be purchased yet affordability hovers ~15%? Well, exotic mortgages, that&#8217;s how&#8230; Listen folks (and you too Meshugy), people earn wages, wages are used to afford things like shelter, food, transportation, and if we&#8217;re a little lucky, investment oppurtunities. People live within their means because if they don&#8217;t they usually declare bankruptcy, or in the old timey days, go to debtors prison or get thrown out on the street.</p><p>Its been that way since the U.S. Government invented income tax&#8230;PEOPLE MUST BE ABLE TO AFFORD HOUSES! If they can&#8217;t? Then housing prices fall to where they&#8217;re able to be purchased by the consumer.</p><p>I&#8217;m sure Tim&#8217;s ran the numbers, but it&#8217;ll take something like 15 years (someone, please correct me) for average wage growth to reach the historic median for home prices&#8230; Persoanlly I don&#8217;t think the market can hold out long enough for wages to catch up when lending standards return to sanity&#8230; just my guess..<div
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href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('6309','matt','Wow! A study that looks at historic fundementals, how innovative? &lt;br\/&gt;&lt;br\/&gt;This is the key, affordability. One has to ask, how can houses still be purchased yet affordability hovers ~15%? Well, exotic mortgages, that\'s how... Listen folks (and you too Meshugy), people earn wages, wages are used to afford things like shelter, food, transportation, and if we\'re a little lucky, investment oppurtunities. People live within their means because if they don\'t they usually declare bankruptcy, or in the old timey days, go to debtors prison or get thrown out on the street.&lt;br\/&gt;&lt;br\/&gt;Its been that way since the U.S. Government invented income tax...PEOPLE MUST BE ABLE TO AFFORD HOUSES! If they can\'t? Then housing prices fall to where they\'re able to be purchased by the consumer. &lt;br\/&gt;&lt;br\/&gt;I\'m sure Tim\'s ran the numbers, but it\'ll take something like 15 years (someone, please correct me) for average wage growth to reach the historic median for home prices... Persoanlly I don\'t think the market can hold out long enough for wages to catch up when lending standards return to sanity... just my guess..',''); return false;">Quote</a></div> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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