Posted by: The Tim

Tim Ellis is the founder of Seattle Bubble. His background in engineering and computer / internet technology, a fondness of data-based analysis of problems, and an addiction to spreadsheets all influence his perspective on the Seattle-area real estate market.

16 responses

  1. Does this mean no more Hooter’s girl loan officers?

  2. Exempt from the new law are loan officers working for banks, credit unions and savings and loans. Also exempt are those working for consumer-finance companies.

    It sounds like as long the Hooter’s girl works at WaMu, she can still service your… ahem… loan. ;-)

    Seriously though, this doesn’t sound like much in the way of “big, scary lending guidance” we’ve been hearing so much about. Wasn’t there supposed to be something about “fully qualifying” people for Interest Only and ARM Loans?

  3. Would these new regulations only largely impact the sub-prime market? If the sub-prime category is a fairly small part of the Puget Sound mortgage market, then maybe it won’t have much of a broader impact.

  4. Mikhail,

    The last data I saw suggested that sub-prime loans were a significant percentage of new loans in this part of the country. There was a “map of misery” making the rounds a few months back, with regional data for sub-prime originations as a percentage of new mortages.

    Anyone remember the article?

  5. Ahem. Google knoweth all:

    The Map of Misery!

  6. Also, for reference here is the post I made about it on Seattle Bubble, including a second map showing income shrinkage.

  7. Tim, there was another interesting article right next to that one in the Sunday Paper.

    PI story

    “Smart strategies for buyers and sellers
    By Kenneth R. Harney”

    Some interesting quotes that I thought might have gotten you guys fired up.

    “In general, however, the housing market appears to have weathered the correction phase of the cycle without the blood running in the streets that some bubble-bust bears had forecast.”

    “All of this suggests that the 18-month market correction that followed the four-year housing boom has just about run its course. From a national statistical perspective, we’re somewhere near slack tide, but no one’s looking for another frothy high tide anytime soon.”

  8. There’s a lot of ‘whew! the correction’s finally over!’ news snippets making the rounds but I think the following article is more telling (I believe someone, somewhere already posted this, but…)

    A Phantom Rebound in the Housing Market

    I’d call it a ‘dead cat’ bounce, but its looking more like smoke and mirrors…

    It look like the ride’s just begun

  9. Kaleetan,

    I saw that article, but since it was a nationally syndicated piece, neither written by a local author nor about the local market, I chose not to post it. There are plenty of other blogs out there that cover every single housing bubble related piece of news.

    What I feel makes Seattle Bubble worthwhile is its local focus.

  10. Kaleetan,

    Most of the “experts” predicted we would not see nationwide depreciation in housing. I remember seeing a debate where Steve Forbes venemently denied that there was a national housing bubble. Last check, housing declined on a national level last year.

    Why would we listen to any of the “experts” now? I’d rather listen to people that pegged the bubble, like Robert Shiller. And so far he is saying it could get much worse before it gets better.

    As for Seattle, I think we haven’t even started to see the hot air being let out of our housing balloon.

  11. venemently = vehemently

  12. Hmmm… The map of misery only seems to show the percent of new mortgages that are of the payment option variety. Does this really tell us much about how many mortgages are sub-prime? Can we assume that all payment option loans are sub-prime? Are there other kinds of loans that are sub-prime as well?

    This certainly doesn’t tell us what the over-all percentage of loans might be sub-prime, just the percentage of recent ones.

  13. One interesting point to make about the map of misery is that there doesn’t seem to be a high correlation between the prevalence of payment option loans and foreclosure rates/real-estate downturn. Denver has one of the highest foreclosure rates in the nation, yet it has fewer payment option loans than Seattle. The same with Phoenix. Phoenix has been feeling a lot of pain in it’s real-estate market, yet the map of misery shows it as being in better shape than Seattle.

  14. mikhail,

    This has been discussed in previous threads. One reason that foreclosure rates seem to be affecting areas such as Denver and Phoenix is the fact that they have more low income first time buyers. These people have a difficult time paying their loans come adjustment time.

  15. The states are following closely behind federal banking regulators, who issued a sternly worded advisory in late September to the lenders they supervise, telling them they should not make these loans to borrowers who may be unable to repay them.

    OK, is it me, or isn’t job #1 of any person who is in the business of lending money the verification that the borrower will actually pay back the money?

    Honestly, we need regulators to tell people that lend money to give consideration to the viability of the borrower?

    Up until now, I was of the opinion that airline executives were the dumbest creatures in American industry. I now have to seriously consider mortgage loan officers for that position.

  16. Eluea,
    don’t RE agents fall under that guise as well? just kidding everybody.
    As far as I can tell, these are all just shots over the bow withthe hopes that self regulation will take hold. When there is money to be made though, self regulation and self restraint simply doesn’t curtail risky behavior.
    Last week, I was in an e-mail discussion with one of my clients, (I am in the Hospitality Industry) They are with a major national bank that provides home loans. I possed a question to my client where they felt the housing market and loan market was heading. i have deleted the name of the bank to protect the “innocent” but got this standard response….

    We continue to be confident in the markets we operate within and are dedicated to providing the dream of home ownership, home improvement and home protection to as many Americans as possible. It is as important to “Bank Un-named” that our customers stay in their homes as it is for them to get into them in the first place. Therefore, we concentrate on helping the customer find the right mortgage or home equity product that benefits them long term.”

    If that is not a standard piece of B.S. suitable for a newspaper quote, and certainly contrived, I don’t know what is.

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