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Tim Ellis is the founder of Seattle Bubble. His background in engineering and computer / internet technology, a fondness of data-based analysis of problems, and an addiction to spreadsheets all influence his perspective on the Seattle-area real estate market.

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  1. FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS IN SEATTLE NOW COMPLETE DINOSAURS?

    God forbid we keep our college graduates in Seattle, after all, these youth loaded down with college loans are useless for the realitor. We need only “experienced” professionals who can trade up, that is if there’s any new jobs for them either….

  2. Tim,

    Just because people in Olympia were speculating in unreal estate doesn’t mean that people in Seattle are. Thurston county only have ponies in shades of gray or brown; none of them are pink! Further, Olympia does not have Ballard in it. That alone should be enough to explain their funk.

  3. So all the SFH’s in Seattle are full? Well, hell, I guess I’ll just do Ballard a favor and rip out all those For Sale signs I see planted in everyone’s yard… If they occupants start yelling at me, I’ll just say “Hey, didn’t you read? There’s no more SFH’s in Seattle anymore, just condos and townhomes.”

    BTW, Lizzie Rhodes’ “theories” arguement is probably the most ridiculous laziest reporting I’ve seen from her in a long-time. She should just stick to parroting mortgage brokers and realtors, because when she actually makes a stab at ‘reporting’, its all you can do not to throw up in your mouth a little.

    I’m thinking by this point, to spite the constant stream of facts and data we’ve been emailing her over the years, she ignores reality and puts out shill-pieces in the guise of reporting. I guess I know what happens when you fail out of economics, you become a journalism major.

  4. This isn’t rocket science. Knock out the bottom 20% of home buyers and the median sales price has no where to go but up.

    How’s that for a “theory”?

  5. The opinions / observations of these reporters are almost irrelevant now.

    With the recent tightening of standards in the primary mortgage market and investors being spooked about the secondary mortgage market, real estate sales will be a whole new game from now on. I think we can expect some dramatic changes.

  6. ….you’re forgetting the magic rules of Seattle real estate:

    All real estate is local.

    Everyone wants to buy a home in Seattle.

    Boeing, Microsoft, strong job growth, millions of people moving here, neverending appreciation…

    So as you can clearly see, lending standards mean nothing to the Seattle housing market.

    Tim,

    Sorry – I lost proper perspective for a moment. It won’t happen again.

  7. Playing the devils advocate here, but has anyone else recognized that massive difference between what experts are predicting these days and what typical American sentiment is when polls are taken?

    While the pros are still mostly pushing the Goldilocks scenario, and recession is unlikely, the majority of Americans now believe we are either already in recession, or will be by Christmas. Similarly, polls for congress and the president have been very low. These ratings are often strongly influenced by financial status of the people.

    Here’s the thing, while any given expert is probably smarter than any given Average Joe, a large group of average people is more diverse and thus smarter than a small group of ‘pros’.

    I just wanted to mention this for anyone who feels like ‘everybody is optimistic’ when it’s really only a vocal minority who are.

  8. New high for KC SFH inventory: 10,240
    Will my prediction hold? Is the monthly closing bonanza over and will inventory climb steadily over the next two weeks?

    I think we will see 10600 on Windermere by the end of August.

  9. Wow, Tim, there you go alienating our sarcasm-impaired readers again (thanks for the warning though, I call that progress).

    It’s obvious that there is no problem with the real estate situation in the greater Seattle area, because if there was, RE professionals would certainly be the first ones to tell us about it. Instead, we have very useful advise such as what kind of soap not to use when staging your house.

    My across-the-street neighbor from me, in a house identical to mine, just bought a 4br/2.75ba 3300 sf house built in 2001 (one of those monstrosities where the house hides behind the 3-car garage facing the street and you can’t see the front door), for $775K. And he’s keeping his old house as a rental (so probably didn’t extract equity, as it will be cash-flow positive with his existing mortgage). And he works at Microsoft. The Pink Ponies are alive and well in my neighborhood!

  10. The responses from mortgage loan originators this week have fallen into a couple of different categories:

    1) New LOs that have no idea what’s going on.

    2) Somewhat experienced LOs who have been in the industry less than 10 years who are angry that their loan products are going away.

    3) Seasoned veterans who have learned not to panic and instead are trying to re-learn which lenders offer which products.

    4) Career LOs who survived many financial crisis’ in their lives including the 1980s S&L bailout and know that they will survive this one too. These folks already know disaster is upon us but prefer not to talk about the elephant in the room and instead are focusing on “strategic resiliance.”

    Best quote heard in my classroom today: “100% LTV stated income/no doc loans are gone. This wipes out a huge segment of the population that previously had ONLY relied on these loan products. I have nothing to offer these buyers and refinancing homeowners.”

    The question for the group I’ll be with tomorrow, is, with these stated income/no doc loans, what percentage were in the first time homebuyer range, and what percentage were in the second or third tier?

    I hope somebody gets that awful picture of hand-soap off the front page of RCG. It’s totally creepy. What’s next, soap in the shape of other body parts?

  11. Sole proprietors are the one legitimate reason for no doc loans I know of.

    Numerous articles in the WSJ seem to think the new types of mortgages and lower standards created about 5 million new homowners and account for about 10-15% of the potential buyers now. Consensus was most of those would return to renting, nobody seemed to have any idea what path back the majority would take.

  12. Nice breakdown, Jillayne.

  13. Thanks, Tim. The following should be an easy prediction, given the new higher rates on jumbos: Median prices will FALL (oh, the horror!) as higher-end sales drop off dramatically (sellers are too greedy to reprice, or stuck), while the low end chugs slowly along. Essentially, this is the opposite of what we see now: Low end quiet, higher end still moving = higher median.

    August medians should be VERY interesting, more so in markets where a “jumbo” isn’t very jumbo.
    cheers,
    Mac

  14. Garth, I thought the only legitimate reason to do No-Doc is for criminals. Oh what irony. A sole proprietor should at least be able to use his income tax statement for documentation right? Please correct me if I’m wrong, but that’s what I really thought.

  15. If all levels of credit are being tightening as discussed, the slow down should be across the board. A first time buyer with a $270K mortgage at 6%, it needs about $1900 plus taxes and insurance. You would need about $72K household income to qualify (assuming 30% gross monthly income requirement for housing). And we already discussed on this board the over $50K salary issue.

  16. “I should apply for a job at the Seattle Times.”

    Sorry, you need a proven history of housing bullishness and debilitating brain anuerysms.

  17. rose-colored-coolaid,

    Partially because of irritation with the B&O tax in Washington, many Sole proprietors or small LLC’s will pay themselves a low salary and keep their business perpetually breaking even through deductions to minimize their tax burden.

    They wind up with a documentation problem when they go to borrow money or sell their company.

  18. Currently, my husband and I earn 82,000 a year, have no credit cards or car loans, just school loans, and 20,000 down….but when we look and fixed loans, and very basic homes N end (we work N end Seattle) we can’t afford a home. What is a median earner family to do? Will prices in the low end really come down?

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