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Entries from November 30th, 2007

Your down payment could cost less than your latte

By deejayoh on November 30th, 2007 at 4:48 PM · 38 Comments

I got this in the mail earlier this week, and just had to share. Houses are still cheaper than latte’s, apparently…
Deejayoh

STOP renting!

Renter's Myth

addendum:
I clicked through to the site that the postcard directs you to. The “bonuses” are pretty significant relative to the starting prices, it seems to me

Buyer Bonuses at Select Communities
For purchases on October 1, 2007 and beyond, get up to…

  • $25,000 at Autumn Woods in Spanaway (homes from the low $200s)
  • $20,000 at Berrywoods in Marysville (homes from the mid $200s)
  • $30,000 at Brookside in Bonney Lake (homes from the mid $200s)
  • $22,000 at Deschutes River Highlands in Olympia (homes from the mid $200s)
  • $30,000 at Fern Crest in Kent (homes from the low $300s)
  • $45,000 at Foxglove Meadow in Bothell (homes from the high $300s)
  • $30,000 at Kentlake Highlands in Lake Sawyer area (homes from the low $300s)
  • $30,000 at Northwest Landing in DuPont (homes from the mid $200s)
  • $15,000 at Pasadera in Lake Stevens (homes from the mid $200s)
  • $40,000 at Pasadera Heights in Lake Stevens (homes from the high $200s)
  • $18,000 at Ridge at McCormick Woods in Port Orchard area (homes from the mid $200s)
  • $17,000 at Skagit Highlands in Mount Vernon (homes from the high $100s)
  • $15,000 at Stendahl Ridge in Poulsbo (homes from the mid $200s)
  • $22,000 at Ridge at Suncrest in Tumwater (homes from the low $200s)
  • $20,000 at Tahoma Meadow in Yelm (homes from the high $100s)

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From the Sun Sentinal in Florida: State freezes ‘run on the bank’ at investment fund

By S-Crow on November 30th, 2007 at 12:58 PM · 16 Comments

The Sun Sentinal article:

“In an effort to halt what one official called ‘an investment world version of a run on the bank,’ state officials froze withdrawals Thursday from a $27 billion investment fund that local governments drained by almost half during the past two weeks.” (bold type by me for emphasis)

“‘It is certainly unprecedented, and there is a nervousness out there that we’ve never seen before,’ Broward County Commissioner John Rodstrom said.”

This is nuts. What say you King County? Did I not read a few weeks ago about some of the investments King Co. made were possibly suspect and tied to mortgage securities?

The mortgage securities problems are reaching out and touching everyone. What happens to government municipalities that go broke? What happens to these municipalities when those folks (and there are many) in suspect loans that have no “escrow reserve acct.” do not pay property taxes. Traditional mortgages have “escrow accounts” which are in place to pay property taxes.

The Mortgage Queen Spider has evidently spun her web much more broadly and intricately than anticipated—many more objects are getting caught. Perhaps the Mortgage Queen Spider likes warmer climates, thus sparing Seattle and vicinity. Time will tell us, I suppose.

Update: This is exactly what I’m talking about regarding property taxes.

“Treasurer’s offices all over the country are bracing for the day when lenders stop paying the taxes on many properties in the worst hit neighborhoods.”

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Seattle Delightfully Immune to Housing Downturn

By The Tim on November 30th, 2007 at 8:43 AM · 36 Comments

Another day, another syndicated Associated Press article reprinted in the Seattle Times with an abundant dose of rah-rah local cheerleading awkwardly thrown in by Elizabeth Rhodes (additions in italic): U.S. home prices drop for quarter; not so here.

U.S. home prices marked a quarterly decline for the first time in 13 years in the third quarter, according to government data released Thursday that provide fresh evidence of the housing-market slump.

But Washington cities continued to defy that trend.

U.S. home prices dipped 0.4 percent nationwide in the July-September period, compared with the previous quarter, the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO) said.

Biting the hand that feeds youBut prices in the Seattle-Bellevue-Everett region rose 1.24 percent, OFHEO found.

“Rising inventories of for-sale properties are clearly having a material impact on home prices,” said Patrick Lawler, the agency’s chief economist.

Washington state, however bucked that trend, with 6.98 percent price growth year over year. That was the fifth-highest in the nation behind leader Utah at 12.89 percent.

In other news, a prominent video game journalist was allegedly fired over a negative review of a game which was highly advertised on his employer’s site, serving as an example for journalists everywhere of what happens when you bite the hand that feeds you.

Now everyone go out and buy a condo. Right now.

(Marcy Gordon / Elizabeth Rhodes, Associated Press / Seattle Times, 11.30.2007)

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Forbes: Seattle “Continues its Ascent”

By The Tim on November 29th, 2007 at 10:38 AM · 61 Comments

These “top real estate market” lists by Matt Woolsey in Forbes are really starting to seem pointless and repetitive, but I suppose I should at least mention the latest one, since it will probably be proudly touted in local real estate marketing material for the next few months. The latest fill-in-the-blanks list from star reporter Matt Woolsey is titled Best And Worst U.S. Housing Markets, and Seattle comes in at #8 on the “best” list.

Scaled-back lending practices, risky loans, oversupply and low demand continue to plague the nation’s housing markets, driving down prices and stalling sales.But it’s not so in Salt Lake City, Charlotte, N.C., and San Jose, Calif., where prices have continued to climb without so much as a hiccup.

The Emerald City housing market continues its ascent on the back of a strong local economy and the prudent construction rates of the past five years. Although prices are reaching record highs, the city remains a cheap alternative for Northern California residents and businesses looking for better value.

Funny he should say “continues its ascent,” right at the time when the ascent finally seems to be leveling off and changing into a descent. Of course, if we stay behind the curve like we seem to have been the last five years or so, we could still qualify as one of the “best” housing markets next year on the way down, with a -5% change in prices, compared to -10% or more elsewhere.

(Matt Woolsey, Forbes, 11.21.2007)

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Seattle Townhouse Market Tanking?

By The Tim on November 28th, 2007 at 12:29 PM · 74 Comments

There was a great article over the weekend in the Seattle P-I that looked at the townhouse market, which has slowed down considerably more than the single-family or condo markets so far this year.

Jamie Goodwin knew it would be a tough time to sell her Central Area townhouse.

“I’m a real estate attorney, and I knew that the market was soft,” she said Friday. That’s why she set her asking price at what another townhouse in her development fetched a year earlier.

Even so, agents weren’t even looking at the listing online, said Erin Goodwin, Jamie’s sister and an agent with Re/Max Mutual Realty. “We listed in October, and I think maybe there’s 23 clicks.”

Sitting in a townhouse he was trying to sell last month, Windermere Real Estate agent Alex Eckardt said he’d seen a fair amount of traffic since listing the home about a month earlier, but no offers.

“Six months ago this would have sold in the first week,” he said.

More and more, homes of all types in Seattle are chasing a buyer pool that has become smaller and more cautious over the past year. But real estate agents and sales statistics show that the slowdown in townhouse sales has brought price cuts out of proportion with the rest of the market.

“What we are seeing is these huge price reductions, where a guy’s asking $600,000 one week, then $550,000 the next week and $500,000 the week after that,” said Ryan Thompson, an agent with John L. Scott Real Estate.

Greg Bartell, a Re/Max Mutual Realty agent who specializes in townhouses, says he has seen particular slowing since August.

“I think the most apparent thing is prices coming down,” he said. “I’ve seen some come down $90,000 off the list” price.

Seattle townhouse prices were down from the prior year in six of the first 10 months of 2007, with October’s median townhouse price of $358,594 down 13.6 percent from October 2006, according to the Northwest Multiple Listing Service.

The statistics Aubrey cites in the article appear to be specially compiled for him by the NWMLS, as a specific breakdown for townhouses is not a part of the usually reported data. Kudos to Mr. Cohen for delving into the data to deliver a report that goes further than just quoting an NWMLS press release and a couple of real estate agents.

Some have argued that condos and townhouses are a leading indicator of where a local housing market is heading. I think that argument is fairly sound, since townhouses and condos typically represent the least expensive properties on the market, and if the low end isn’t selling, it will inevitably trickle up to the high end. When an existing owner of a townhouse wants to sell and “move up” the “equity ladder,” but finds they have to significantly reduce their price, it limits their ability to purchase a home on the next rung of the ladder.

Will a significant deterioration in the townhouse and condo market in Seattle lead to a similar meltdown in the single-family market? I’m guessing we’ll find out the answer to that question in 2008.

(Aubrey Cohen, Seattle P-I, 11.23.2007)

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September Case-Shiller: Seattle Slide Continues

By The Tim on November 27th, 2007 at 10:51 AM · 62 Comments

The latest data from Case-Shiller has been released. Let’s have a look at how Seattle is performing:

Down a quarter of a percent August to September.
Up 4.69% YOY.

Back to back month-to-month declines have as we have now seen from July to September have not happened since 1995. The NWMLS King County SFH Median for September was up 5.88%, which is much less divergent than we have seen in recent months, however I expect that the October data will show a difference in the opposite direction, with the NWMLS YOY change actually being lower than the Case-Shiller Index.

Here’s the usual graph, with L.A. & San Diego offset from Seattle & Portland by 17 months.

Case-Shiller HPI September 2007
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I hate to sound like a broken record here, but I’ll say again what I say every month: this graph is not meant to be viewed as predictive. It is posted merely as a curiosity to demonstrate how closely home prices in the Northwest cities are following the pattern of the Southern California cities, when a slight time delay is taken into account. We’ve finally broken down below the 5% yearly appreciation rate, so any month now it’s sure to level off. I know that is true because that’s what most of our local real estate professionals keep saying.

As has become the standard procedure, here’s an update of the graph with all 20 Case-Shiller-tracked cities, with no time-shifting.

Case-Shiller HPI September 2007
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It is difficult to tell from the graph, but September also marked the dethroning of Seattle from the “best performing” title (which we had held since September 2006). This position is now held by Charlotte, NC, which clocked in at 4.72% YOY change, versus Seattle’s 4.69%.

(MacroMarkets, Standard & Poors, 11.27.2007)

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