<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Mortgage Freeze Bla Bla Bla</title>
	<atom:link href="http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2007/12/06/mortgage-freeze-bla-bla-bla/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2007/12/06/mortgage-freeze-bla-bla-bla/</link>
	<description>News &#38; discussion about real estate &#38; the housing bubble in the Seattle area.</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:17:07 -0800</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: cosmos</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2007/12/06/mortgage-freeze-bla-bla-bla/#comment-32536</link>
		<dc:creator>cosmos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 19:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2007/12/06/mortgage-freeze-bla-bla-bla/#comment-32536</guid>
		<description>Peter Schiff &quot;explains it all&quot; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article3009.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;32536&#039;,&#039;cosmos&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;32536&#039;,&#039;cosmos&#039;,&#039;Peter Schiff \&quot;explains it all\&quot; &lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/www.marketoracle.co.uk\/Article3009.html\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt; here&lt;\/a&gt;.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter Schiff &#8220;explains it all&#8221; <a href="http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article3009.html" rel="nofollow"> here</a>.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('32536','cosmos',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('32536','cosmos','Peter Schiff \&quot;explains it all\&quot; &lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/www.marketoracle.co.uk\/Article3009.html\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt; here&lt;\/a&gt;.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: explorer</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2007/12/06/mortgage-freeze-bla-bla-bla/#comment-32468</link>
		<dc:creator>explorer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 22:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2007/12/06/mortgage-freeze-bla-bla-bla/#comment-32468</guid>
		<description></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NotaBull: &#8220;All I see is a limited-in-scope plan that provides structure to the losses the investors are to experience, which Iâ€™m guessing the gubmint hopes will bring back some confidence to the markets&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>That is why I see it as a signal to the banks that they can set a floor to their losses in SOME situations. Freezing the interest rate as exists still brings in cash, vs. total default. Albeit, this is voluntary, but it is a signal nevertheless. Just my impression, FWIW. </p>
<p>Whether that translates into anything of substance the is more than a finger in the dike, seems unlikely.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('32468','explorer',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('32468','explorer','NotaBull: \&quot;All I see is a limited-in-scope plan that provides structure to the losses the investors are to experience, which I&acirc;€™m guessing the gubmint hopes will bring back some confidence to the markets...\&quot;\r\n\r\nThat is why I see it as a signal to the banks that they can set a floor to their losses in SOME situations. Freezing the interest rate as exists still brings in cash, vs. total default. Albeit, this is voluntary, but it is a signal nevertheless. Just my impression, FWIW. \r\n\r\nWhether that translates into anything of substance the is more than a finger in the dike, seems unlikely.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2007/12/06/mortgage-freeze-bla-bla-bla/#comment-32440</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 17:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2007/12/06/mortgage-freeze-bla-bla-bla/#comment-32440</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Why would you lock in your payments on a house in which you have little to no equity, and is now worth 20% less than what you paid?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I keep hearing this argument on the bubble blogs and I have a hard time believing that any recent homeowners feel this way.  Think of it this way.  If you bought in the last few years, you cleary drank the &quot;housing is superior to renting and renters are trash&quot; kool-aid.  What are the chances that such people are going to understand that they are underwater (and will be for quite some time) and that they can rent for much less and yet get much more?

From personal experience, I have relatives that bought a house a few years ago with an ARM and with zero down (piggyback loan).  Their payment was already pretty suffocating, but was about to reset to ridiculous levels in the summer (and their son who was their mortgage broker had to do a short sale on his house because he was way underwater and had to move).  The &quot;wisely&quot; refinanced into a fixed loan &lt;i&gt;for a 26% increase in monthly payments&lt;/i&gt;.  So here are people who understand that home values went down sharply (otherwise why was their son&#039;s home sold for so little), and had very little equity (they had a piggyback loan) and yet they did everything they could to keep their house and mortgage payment. &lt;i&gt;And they consider themselves lucky.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;32440&#039;,&#039;Joel&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;32440&#039;,&#039;Joel&#039;,&#039;&lt;blockquote&gt;Why would you lock in your payments on a house in which you have little to no equity, and is now worth 20% less than what you paid?&lt;\/blockquote&gt;\r\n\r\nI keep hearing this argument on the bubble blogs and I have a hard time believing that any recent homeowners feel this way.  Think of it this way.  If you bought in the last few years, you cleary drank the \&quot;housing is superior to renting and renters are trash\&quot; kool-aid.  What are the chances that such people are going to understand that they are underwater (and will be for quite some time) and that they can rent for much less and yet get much more?\r\n\r\nFrom personal experience, I have relatives that bought a house a few years ago with an ARM and with zero down (piggyback loan).  Their payment was already pretty suffocating, but was about to reset to ridiculous levels in the summer (and their son who was their mortgage broker had to do a short sale on his house because he was way underwater and had to move).  The \&quot;wisely\&quot; refinanced into a fixed loan &lt;i&gt;for a 26% increase in monthly payments&lt;\/i&gt;.  So here are people who understand that home values went down sharply (otherwise why was their son\&#039;s home sold for so little), and had very little equity (they had a piggyback loan) and yet they did everything they could to keep their house and mortgage payment. &lt;i&gt;And they consider themselves lucky.&lt;\/i&gt;&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Why would you lock in your payments on a house in which you have little to no equity, and is now worth 20% less than what you paid?</p></blockquote>
<p>I keep hearing this argument on the bubble blogs and I have a hard time believing that any recent homeowners feel this way.  Think of it this way.  If you bought in the last few years, you cleary drank the &#8220;housing is superior to renting and renters are trash&#8221; kool-aid.  What are the chances that such people are going to understand that they are underwater (and will be for quite some time) and that they can rent for much less and yet get much more?</p>
<p>From personal experience, I have relatives that bought a house a few years ago with an ARM and with zero down (piggyback loan).  Their payment was already pretty suffocating, but was about to reset to ridiculous levels in the summer (and their son who was their mortgage broker had to do a short sale on his house because he was way underwater and had to move).  The &#8220;wisely&#8221; refinanced into a fixed loan <i>for a 26% increase in monthly payments</i>.  So here are people who understand that home values went down sharply (otherwise why was their son&#8217;s home sold for so little), and had very little equity (they had a piggyback loan) and yet they did everything they could to keep their house and mortgage payment. <i>And they consider themselves lucky.</i>
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('32440','Joel',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('32440','Joel','&lt;blockquote&gt;Why would you lock in your payments on a house in which you have little to no equity, and is now worth 20% less than what you paid?&lt;\/blockquote&gt;\r\n\r\nI keep hearing this argument on the bubble blogs and I have a hard time believing that any recent homeowners feel this way.  Think of it this way.  If you bought in the last few years, you cleary drank the \&quot;housing is superior to renting and renters are trash\&quot; kool-aid.  What are the chances that such people are going to understand that they are underwater (and will be for quite some time) and that they can rent for much less and yet get much more?\r\n\r\nFrom personal experience, I have relatives that bought a house a few years ago with an ARM and with zero down (piggyback loan).  Their payment was already pretty suffocating, but was about to reset to ridiculous levels in the summer (and their son who was their mortgage broker had to do a short sale on his house because he was way underwater and had to move).  The \&quot;wisely\&quot; refinanced into a fixed loan &lt;i&gt;for a 26% increase in monthly payments&lt;\/i&gt;.  So here are people who understand that home values went down sharply (otherwise why was their son\'s home sold for so little), and had very little equity (they had a piggyback loan) and yet they did everything they could to keep their house and mortgage payment. &lt;i&gt;And they consider themselves lucky.&lt;\/i&gt;',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Octavia May</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2007/12/06/mortgage-freeze-bla-bla-bla/#comment-32417</link>
		<dc:creator>Octavia May</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 15:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2007/12/06/mortgage-freeze-bla-bla-bla/#comment-32417</guid>
		<description>Why is it that no one mentions the Lenders who develop the programs to allow high risk, low score buyers and other crooks to qualify for inflated loans?  Lenders are basically responsible for the mortgage mess.  They knew that the market was overpriced. They also knew that in order to make the money that they (the lenders) wanted they had to CREATE ways for risky borrowers because truly qualified borrowers in the market had been used up. They (the Lenders) knew that when (not if) the bottom fell out, the government would bail them (the lenders) out and they would be free to start all over again -- just as they have before.  This &quot;so-called&quot; bailout will only serve the culprit (the lenders).&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;32417&#039;,&#039;Octavia May&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;32417&#039;,&#039;Octavia May&#039;,&#039;Why is it that no one mentions the Lenders who develop the programs to allow high risk, low score buyers and other crooks to qualify for inflated loans?  Lenders are basically responsible for the mortgage mess.  They knew that the market was overpriced. They also knew that in order to make the money that they (the lenders) wanted they had to CREATE ways for risky borrowers because truly qualified borrowers in the market had been used up. They (the Lenders) knew that when (not if) the bottom fell out, the government would bail them (the lenders) out and they would be free to start all over again -- just as they have before.  This \&quot;so-called\&quot; bailout will only serve the culprit (the lenders).&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it that no one mentions the Lenders who develop the programs to allow high risk, low score buyers and other crooks to qualify for inflated loans?  Lenders are basically responsible for the mortgage mess.  They knew that the market was overpriced. They also knew that in order to make the money that they (the lenders) wanted they had to CREATE ways for risky borrowers because truly qualified borrowers in the market had been used up. They (the Lenders) knew that when (not if) the bottom fell out, the government would bail them (the lenders) out and they would be free to start all over again &#8212; just as they have before.  This &#8220;so-called&#8221; bailout will only serve the culprit (the lenders).
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('32417','Octavia May',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('32417','Octavia May','Why is it that no one mentions the Lenders who develop the programs to allow high risk, low score buyers and other crooks to qualify for inflated loans?  Lenders are basically responsible for the mortgage mess.  They knew that the market was overpriced. They also knew that in order to make the money that they (the lenders) wanted they had to CREATE ways for risky borrowers because truly qualified borrowers in the market had been used up. They (the Lenders) knew that when (not if) the bottom fell out, the government would bail them (the lenders) out and they would be free to start all over again -- just as they have before.  This \&quot;so-called\&quot; bailout will only serve the culprit (the lenders).',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Mrs. Jurea</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2007/12/06/mortgage-freeze-bla-bla-bla/#comment-32413</link>
		<dc:creator>Mrs. Jurea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2007/12/06/mortgage-freeze-bla-bla-bla/#comment-32413</guid>
		<description>Thanks alot.  Your laid back attitude does not help us, the &quot;ants&quot;. Outrage is what I am feeling. Another abuse of power by the feds. Lets reward the stupid and lazy and punish the hardworking. 
We pay our payments, at the 30yr rates. We pee in a cup for work, and file taxes on time.
But if you are cheap, stupid and lazy, you may recieve all the gov&#039;t. help you want. 
My tax dollars are spent saving others from themselves, while my schools, roads and service personnel suffer.
What a joy.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;32413&#039;,&#039;Mrs. Jurea&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;32413&#039;,&#039;Mrs. Jurea&#039;,&#039;Thanks alot.  Your laid back attitude does not help us, the \&quot;ants\&quot;. Outrage is what I am feeling. Another abuse of power by the feds. Lets reward the stupid and lazy and punish the hardworking. \r\nWe pay our payments, at the 30yr rates. We pee in a cup for work, and file taxes on time.\r\nBut if you are cheap, stupid and lazy, you may recieve all the gov\&#039;t. help you want. \r\nMy tax dollars are spent saving others from themselves, while my schools, roads and service personnel suffer.\r\nWhat a joy.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks alot.  Your laid back attitude does not help us, the &#8220;ants&#8221;. Outrage is what I am feeling. Another abuse of power by the feds. Lets reward the stupid and lazy and punish the hardworking.<br />
We pay our payments, at the 30yr rates. We pee in a cup for work, and file taxes on time.<br />
But if you are cheap, stupid and lazy, you may recieve all the gov&#8217;t. help you want.<br />
My tax dollars are spent saving others from themselves, while my schools, roads and service personnel suffer.<br />
What a joy.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('32413','Mrs. Jurea',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('32413','Mrs. Jurea','Thanks alot.  Your laid back attitude does not help us, the \&quot;ants\&quot;. Outrage is what I am feeling. Another abuse of power by the feds. Lets reward the stupid and lazy and punish the hardworking. \r\nWe pay our payments, at the 30yr rates. We pee in a cup for work, and file taxes on time.\r\nBut if you are cheap, stupid and lazy, you may recieve all the gov\'t. help you want. \r\nMy tax dollars are spent saving others from themselves, while my schools, roads and service personnel suffer.\r\nWhat a joy.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Scotsman</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2007/12/06/mortgage-freeze-bla-bla-bla/#comment-32383</link>
		<dc:creator>Scotsman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 05:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2007/12/06/mortgage-freeze-bla-bla-bla/#comment-32383</guid>
		<description>This clearly isn&#039;t going to help a significant number of borrowers.  What it will do, however, is allow the banks to transfer certain classes of assets off of their balance sheets, recalculating their reserve requirements, and allowing them to remain solvent for a bit longer.  Remember folks, it&#039;s all about the banks, not the little guy.  What this does is forstall some bank failures, if only until after the election.

If you read the specifics on who qualifies, the window is so narrow that almost no one will now, and even fewer will in the future.  But the loan then becomes a &quot;workout&#039; issue, and goes off balance sheet.  It&#039;s so simple, so perfectly politically devious..... and in the end totally ineffective.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;32383&#039;,&#039;Scotsman&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;32383&#039;,&#039;Scotsman&#039;,&#039;This clearly isn\&#039;t going to help a significant number of borrowers.  What it will do, however, is allow the banks to transfer certain classes of assets off of their balance sheets, recalculating their reserve requirements, and allowing them to remain solvent for a bit longer.  Remember folks, it\&#039;s all about the banks, not the little guy.  What this does is forstall some bank failures, if only until after the election.\r\n\r\nIf you read the specifics on who qualifies, the window is so narrow that almost no one will now, and even fewer will in the future.  But the loan then becomes a \&quot;workout\&#039; issue, and goes off balance sheet.  It\&#039;s so simple, so perfectly politically devious..... and in the end totally ineffective.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This clearly isn&#8217;t going to help a significant number of borrowers.  What it will do, however, is allow the banks to transfer certain classes of assets off of their balance sheets, recalculating their reserve requirements, and allowing them to remain solvent for a bit longer.  Remember folks, it&#8217;s all about the banks, not the little guy.  What this does is forstall some bank failures, if only until after the election.</p>
<p>If you read the specifics on who qualifies, the window is so narrow that almost no one will now, and even fewer will in the future.  But the loan then becomes a &#8220;workout&#8217; issue, and goes off balance sheet.  It&#8217;s so simple, so perfectly politically devious&#8230;.. and in the end totally ineffective.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('32383','Scotsman',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('32383','Scotsman','This clearly isn\'t going to help a significant number of borrowers.  What it will do, however, is allow the banks to transfer certain classes of assets off of their balance sheets, recalculating their reserve requirements, and allowing them to remain solvent for a bit longer.  Remember folks, it\'s all about the banks, not the little guy.  What this does is forstall some bank failures, if only until after the election.\r\n\r\nIf you read the specifics on who qualifies, the window is so narrow that almost no one will now, and even fewer will in the future.  But the loan then becomes a \&quot;workout\' issue, and goes off balance sheet.  It\'s so simple, so perfectly politically devious..... and in the end totally ineffective.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Rhonda Porter</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2007/12/06/mortgage-freeze-bla-bla-bla/#comment-32381</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhonda Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 04:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2007/12/06/mortgage-freeze-bla-bla-bla/#comment-32381</guid>
		<description>I don&#039;t see how this is going to work.  I now how people who think they should wait...from the info I can scrap together...their credit scores are too high to qualify.  And even if the fit the square peg, I&#039;m not seeing a guarantee that they will have an extended ....er I mean frozen mortgage.   Just more stuff to make the Pres look like he&#039;s trying to do something.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;32381&#039;,&#039;Rhonda Porter&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;32381&#039;,&#039;Rhonda Porter&#039;,&#039;I don\&#039;t see how this is going to work.  I now how people who think they should wait...from the info I can scrap together...their credit scores are too high to qualify.  And even if the fit the square peg, I\&#039;m not seeing a guarantee that they will have an extended ....er I mean frozen mortgage.   Just more stuff to make the Pres look like he\&#039;s trying to do something.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see how this is going to work.  I now how people who think they should wait&#8230;from the info I can scrap together&#8230;their credit scores are too high to qualify.  And even if the fit the square peg, I&#8217;m not seeing a guarantee that they will have an extended &#8230;.er I mean frozen mortgage.   Just more stuff to make the Pres look like he&#8217;s trying to do something.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('32381','Rhonda Porter',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('32381','Rhonda Porter','I don\'t see how this is going to work.  I now how people who think they should wait...from the info I can scrap together...their credit scores are too high to qualify.  And even if the fit the square peg, I\'m not seeing a guarantee that they will have an extended ....er I mean frozen mortgage.   Just more stuff to make the Pres look like he\'s trying to do something.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: NotaBull</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2007/12/06/mortgage-freeze-bla-bla-bla/#comment-32379</link>
		<dc:creator>NotaBull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 04:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2007/12/06/mortgage-freeze-bla-bla-bla/#comment-32379</guid>
		<description>&quot;No pain, no gain. I see this as a bailout of the banks.&quot;

I&#039;m by no means in favor of the plan, but I&#039;d like to ask why you would refer to it as a bail out?  Who precisely is bailing out the banks?  

All I see is a limited-in-scope plan that provides structure to the losses the investors are to experience, which I&#039;m guessing the gubmint hopes will bring back some confidence to the markets.  I don&#039;t think it will work, but that&#039;s another post.

In essence, I believe that the plan splits the borrowers into two camps:

1) Those that you can go ahead and foreclose on now, or in the very near future.
2) Those that you can expect to pay a given rate over the next few years, with a more (not entirely) predictable loss expectation.

If the gubmint can make it clear enough that this is THE PLAN and there will be no other plan, then the investors/servicers can stop waiting and act on the plan, working to the assumption that they have the implicit backing of the gubmint.  &quot;hey, I was just following THE PLAN from Hank, so sue him and not me&quot;.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;32379&#039;,&#039;NotaBull&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;32379&#039;,&#039;NotaBull&#039;,&#039;\&quot;No pain, no gain. I see this as a bailout of the banks.\&quot;\r\n\r\nI\&#039;m by no means in favor of the plan, but I\&#039;d like to ask why you would refer to it as a bail out?  Who precisely is bailing out the banks?  \r\n\r\nAll I see is a limited-in-scope plan that provides structure to the losses the investors are to experience, which I\&#039;m guessing the gubmint hopes will bring back some confidence to the markets.  I don\&#039;t think it will work, but that\&#039;s another post.\r\n\r\nIn essence, I believe that the plan splits the borrowers into two camps:\r\n\r\n1) Those that you can go ahead and foreclose on now, or in the very near future.\r\n2) Those that you can expect to pay a given rate over the next few years, with a more (not entirely) predictable loss expectation.\r\n\r\nIf the gubmint can make it clear enough that this is THE PLAN and there will be no other plan, then the investors\/servicers can stop waiting and act on the plan, working to the assumption that they have the implicit backing of the gubmint.  \&quot;hey, I was just following THE PLAN from Hank, so sue him and not me\&quot;.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;No pain, no gain. I see this as a bailout of the banks.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m by no means in favor of the plan, but I&#8217;d like to ask why you would refer to it as a bail out?  Who precisely is bailing out the banks?  </p>
<p>All I see is a limited-in-scope plan that provides structure to the losses the investors are to experience, which I&#8217;m guessing the gubmint hopes will bring back some confidence to the markets.  I don&#8217;t think it will work, but that&#8217;s another post.</p>
<p>In essence, I believe that the plan splits the borrowers into two camps:</p>
<p>1) Those that you can go ahead and foreclose on now, or in the very near future.<br />
2) Those that you can expect to pay a given rate over the next few years, with a more (not entirely) predictable loss expectation.</p>
<p>If the gubmint can make it clear enough that this is THE PLAN and there will be no other plan, then the investors/servicers can stop waiting and act on the plan, working to the assumption that they have the implicit backing of the gubmint.  &#8220;hey, I was just following THE PLAN from Hank, so sue him and not me&#8221;.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('32379','NotaBull',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('32379','NotaBull','\&quot;No pain, no gain. I see this as a bailout of the banks.\&quot;\r\n\r\nI\'m by no means in favor of the plan, but I\'d like to ask why you would refer to it as a bail out?  Who precisely is bailing out the banks?  \r\n\r\nAll I see is a limited-in-scope plan that provides structure to the losses the investors are to experience, which I\'m guessing the gubmint hopes will bring back some confidence to the markets.  I don\'t think it will work, but that\'s another post.\r\n\r\nIn essence, I believe that the plan splits the borrowers into two camps:\r\n\r\n1) Those that you can go ahead and foreclose on now, or in the very near future.\r\n2) Those that you can expect to pay a given rate over the next few years, with a more (not entirely) predictable loss expectation.\r\n\r\nIf the gubmint can make it clear enough that this is THE PLAN and there will be no other plan, then the investors\/servicers can stop waiting and act on the plan, working to the assumption that they have the implicit backing of the gubmint.  \&quot;hey, I was just following THE PLAN from Hank, so sue him and not me\&quot;.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Wade Young</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2007/12/06/mortgage-freeze-bla-bla-bla/#comment-32376</link>
		<dc:creator>Wade Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 04:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2007/12/06/mortgage-freeze-bla-bla-bla/#comment-32376</guid>
		<description>We must stop pretending that we have a free market. Meddling in markets using &quot;bailouts&quot; is nothing short of socialism, manipulating the otherwise &quot;free&quot; market. Karl Marx would be proud.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;32376&#039;,&#039;Wade Young&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;32376&#039;,&#039;Wade Young&#039;,&#039;We must stop pretending that we have a free market. Meddling in markets using \&quot;bailouts\&quot; is nothing short of socialism, manipulating the otherwise \&quot;free\&quot; market. Karl Marx would be proud.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We must stop pretending that we have a free market. Meddling in markets using &#8220;bailouts&#8221; is nothing short of socialism, manipulating the otherwise &#8220;free&#8221; market. Karl Marx would be proud.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('32376','Wade Young',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('32376','Wade Young','We must stop pretending that we have a free market. Meddling in markets using \&quot;bailouts\&quot; is nothing short of socialism, manipulating the otherwise \&quot;free\&quot; market. Karl Marx would be proud.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: explorer</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2007/12/06/mortgage-freeze-bla-bla-bla/#comment-32346</link>
		<dc:creator>explorer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 01:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2007/12/06/mortgage-freeze-bla-bla-bla/#comment-32346</guid>
		<description>What they appear to be offering is a floor to the losses for the banks and securities.

No pain, no gain. I see this as a bailout of the banks.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;32346&#039;,&#039;explorer&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;32346&#039;,&#039;explorer&#039;,&#039;What they appear to be offering is a floor to the losses for the banks and securities.\r\n\r\nNo pain, no gain. I see this as a bailout of the banks.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What they appear to be offering is a floor to the losses for the banks and securities.</p>
<p>No pain, no gain. I see this as a bailout of the banks.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('32346','explorer',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('32346','explorer','What they appear to be offering is a floor to the losses for the banks and securities.\r\n\r\nNo pain, no gain. I see this as a bailout of the banks.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: [troll]</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2007/12/06/mortgage-freeze-bla-bla-bla/#comment-32343</link>
		<dc:creator>[troll]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 01:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2007/12/06/mortgage-freeze-bla-bla-bla/#comment-32343</guid>
		<description>There&#039;s a bail-out - sleep in your car.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;32343&#039;,&#039;&#91;troll&#93;&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;32343&#039;,&#039;&#91;troll&#93;&#039;,&#039;There\&#039;s a bail-out - sleep in your car.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thr&#8217;s  bl-t &#8211; slp n yr cr.<dv clss="cmmnt-rmx-mt">< hrf="#" clss="rplyt" nclck="rplyt('32343','&mp;#91;trll&mp;#93;',''); rtrn fls;">Rply  &#8211; < hrf="#" clss="qt" nclck="qt('32343','&mp;#91;trll&mp;#93;','Thr\'s  bl-t - slp n yr cr.',''); rtrn fls;">Qt</dv></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Sniglet</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2007/12/06/mortgage-freeze-bla-bla-bla/#comment-32336</link>
		<dc:creator>Sniglet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 00:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2007/12/06/mortgage-freeze-bla-bla-bla/#comment-32336</guid>
		<description>Don&#039;t fret Tim. This recent mortgage freeze proposal is really nothing more than PR. Nothing is really changing from what lenders and servicers are already doing. Investors aren&#039;t being forced to lose money, and no struggling home-owner is getting a gift they otherwise wouldn&#039;t have had anyway.

In effect, the only thing this plan does is help define some industry-wide categories for different classes of borrowers, and make the ways the servicers are working out problems a little more transparent. That&#039;s it.

Tanta&#039;s write up on Calculated Risk does a brilliant job of digging into the details of this.

http://calculatedrisk.blogspot.com/2007/12/plan-my-initial-reaction.html

The thing that is really confusing to me is why the markets are enthused at all with such smoke and mirrors. I don&#039;t even understand why many people are getting all indignant about how some people are benefiting from a &quot;bail-out&quot;.

THERE IS NO BAIL-OUT!&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;32336&#039;,&#039;Sniglet&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;32336&#039;,&#039;Sniglet&#039;,&#039;Don\&#039;t fret Tim. This recent mortgage freeze proposal is really nothing more than PR. Nothing is really changing from what lenders and servicers are already doing. Investors aren\&#039;t being forced to lose money, and no struggling home-owner is getting a gift they otherwise wouldn\&#039;t have had anyway.\r\n\r\nIn effect, the only thing this plan does is help define some industry-wide categories for different classes of borrowers, and make the ways the servicers are working out problems a little more transparent. That\&#039;s it.\r\n\r\nTanta\&#039;s write up on Calculated Risk does a brilliant job of digging into the details of this.\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/calculatedrisk.blogspot.com\/2007\/12\/plan-my-initial-reaction.html\r\n\r\nThe thing that is really confusing to me is why the markets are enthused at all with such smoke and mirrors. I don\&#039;t even understand why many people are getting all indignant about how some people are benefiting from a \&quot;bail-out\&quot;.\r\n\r\nTHERE IS NO BAIL-OUT!&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t fret Tim. This recent mortgage freeze proposal is really nothing more than PR. Nothing is really changing from what lenders and servicers are already doing. Investors aren&#8217;t being forced to lose money, and no struggling home-owner is getting a gift they otherwise wouldn&#8217;t have had anyway.</p>
<p>In effect, the only thing this plan does is help define some industry-wide categories for different classes of borrowers, and make the ways the servicers are working out problems a little more transparent. That&#8217;s it.</p>
<p>Tanta&#8217;s write up on Calculated Risk does a brilliant job of digging into the details of this.</p>
<p><a href="http://calculatedrisk.blogspot.com/2007/12/plan-my-initial-reaction.html" rel="nofollow">http://calculatedrisk.blogspot.com/2007/12/plan-my-initial-reaction.html</a></p>
<p>The thing that is really confusing to me is why the markets are enthused at all with such smoke and mirrors. I don&#8217;t even understand why many people are getting all indignant about how some people are benefiting from a &#8220;bail-out&#8221;.</p>
<p>THERE IS NO BAIL-OUT!
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('32336','Sniglet',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('32336','Sniglet','Don\'t fret Tim. This recent mortgage freeze proposal is really nothing more than PR. Nothing is really changing from what lenders and servicers are already doing. Investors aren\'t being forced to lose money, and no struggling home-owner is getting a gift they otherwise wouldn\'t have had anyway.\r\n\r\nIn effect, the only thing this plan does is help define some industry-wide categories for different classes of borrowers, and make the ways the servicers are working out problems a little more transparent. That\'s it.\r\n\r\nTanta\'s write up on Calculated Risk does a brilliant job of digging into the details of this.\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/calculatedrisk.blogspot.com\/2007\/12\/plan-my-initial-reaction.html\r\n\r\nThe thing that is really confusing to me is why the markets are enthused at all with such smoke and mirrors. I don\'t even understand why many people are getting all indignant about how some people are benefiting from a \&quot;bail-out\&quot;.\r\n\r\nTHERE IS NO BAIL-OUT!',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: rose-colored-coolaid</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2007/12/06/mortgage-freeze-bla-bla-bla/#comment-32331</link>
		<dc:creator>rose-colored-coolaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 00:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2007/12/06/mortgage-freeze-bla-bla-bla/#comment-32331</guid>
		<description>Don&#039;t you mean &quot;Mortgage Freeze Rah Rah Rah&quot;?&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;32331&#039;,&#039;rose-colored-coolaid&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;32331&#039;,&#039;rose-colored-coolaid&#039;,&#039;Don\&#039;t you mean \&quot;Mortgage Freeze Rah Rah Rah\&quot;?&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t you mean &#8220;Mortgage Freeze Rah Rah Rah&#8221;?
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('32331','rose-colored-coolaid',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('32331','rose-colored-coolaid','Don\'t you mean \&quot;Mortgage Freeze Rah Rah Rah\&quot;?',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Kime</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2007/12/06/mortgage-freeze-bla-bla-bla/#comment-32324</link>
		<dc:creator>Kime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 23:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2007/12/06/mortgage-freeze-bla-bla-bla/#comment-32324</guid>
		<description>If they really freeze these rates we will get to see a real cold freeze in the credit markets, it will make the &quot;credit crisis&quot; of August look like a balmy day. 

They aren&#039;t serious. It&#039;s just a show. Just like when they supposedly &quot;inject&quot; billions of dollars into the system,&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;32324&#039;,&#039;Kime&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;32324&#039;,&#039;Kime&#039;,&#039;If they really freeze these rates we will get to see a real cold freeze in the credit markets, it will make the \&quot;credit crisis\&quot; of August look like a balmy day. \r\n\r\nThey aren\&#039;t serious. It\&#039;s just a show. Just like when they supposedly \&quot;inject\&quot; billions of dollars into the system,&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they really freeze these rates we will get to see a real cold freeze in the credit markets, it will make the &#8220;credit crisis&#8221; of August look like a balmy day. </p>
<p>They aren&#8217;t serious. It&#8217;s just a show. Just like when they supposedly &#8220;inject&#8221; billions of dollars into the system,
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('32324','Kime',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('32324','Kime','If they really freeze these rates we will get to see a real cold freeze in the credit markets, it will make the \&quot;credit crisis\&quot; of August look like a balmy day. \r\n\r\nThey aren\'t serious. It\'s just a show. Just like when they supposedly \&quot;inject\&quot; billions of dollars into the system,',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: softwarengineer</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2007/12/06/mortgage-freeze-bla-bla-bla/#comment-32315</link>
		<dc:creator>softwarengineer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2007/12/06/mortgage-freeze-bla-bla-bla/#comment-32315</guid>
		<description>THERE&#039;S NO WAY THE AMERICAN BANKS WILL THREATEN A TOTAL CREDIT COLLAPSE BY OPERATING LOANS AT EXTENDED 3.9-4.9% TEASER RATES LOSSES, WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY GIVING US 5-6% CD AND MONEY MARKET SAVING RATES

Its that simple. Now 7.5% teaser rates fixed minimum could keep banks barely breathing above water, after they pay for their buildings, computers and staff.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;32315&#039;,&#039;softwarengineer&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;32315&#039;,&#039;softwarengineer&#039;,&#039;THERE\&#039;S NO WAY THE AMERICAN BANKS WILL THREATEN A TOTAL CREDIT COLLAPSE BY OPERATING LOANS AT EXTENDED 3.9-4.9% TEASER RATES LOSSES, WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY GIVING US 5-6% CD AND MONEY MARKET SAVING RATES\r\n\r\nIts that simple. Now 7.5% teaser rates fixed minimum could keep banks barely breathing above water, after they pay for their buildings, computers and staff.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THERE&#8217;S NO WAY THE AMERICAN BANKS WILL THREATEN A TOTAL CREDIT COLLAPSE BY OPERATING LOANS AT EXTENDED 3.9-4.9% TEASER RATES LOSSES, WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY GIVING US 5-6% CD AND MONEY MARKET SAVING RATES</p>
<p>Its that simple. Now 7.5% teaser rates fixed minimum could keep banks barely breathing above water, after they pay for their buildings, computers and staff.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('32315','softwarengineer',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('32315','softwarengineer','THERE\'S NO WAY THE AMERICAN BANKS WILL THREATEN A TOTAL CREDIT COLLAPSE BY OPERATING LOANS AT EXTENDED 3.9-4.9% TEASER RATES LOSSES, WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY GIVING US 5-6% CD AND MONEY MARKET SAVING RATES\r\n\r\nIts that simple. Now 7.5% teaser rates fixed minimum could keep banks barely breathing above water, after they pay for their buildings, computers and staff.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

<!-- Dynamic Page Served (once) in 0.626 seconds -->
