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isPermaLink="false">http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/03/26/case-shiller-tiers-high-end-takes-a-tumble/#comment-47102</guid> <description>[...] Here&#8217;s our monthly look at Seattle&#8217;s price tiers from Case-Shiller. Remember that Case-Shiller data is based on single-family homes only, no condos or townhomes, and that Case-Shiller&#8217;s definition of the &#8220;Seattle area&#8221; is King, Pierce, and Snohomish counties. For anyone wondering how the tiers are chosen, check out last month&#8217;s post. [...]&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;47102&#039;,&#039;Case-Shiller Tiers: Three Tiers, One Decline &#124; Seattle Bubble &#8212; News &amp; discussion about real estate &amp; the housing bubble in the Seattle area.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;47102&#039;,&#039;Case-Shiller Tiers: Three Tiers, One Decline &#124; Seattle Bubble &#8212; News &amp; discussion about real estate &amp; the housing bubble in the Seattle area.&#039;,&#039;&#91;...&#93; Here&#8217;s our monthly look at Seattle&#8217;s price tiers from Case-Shiller. Remember that Case-Shiller data is based on single-family homes only, no condos or townhomes, and that Case-Shiller&#8217;s definition of the &#8220;Seattle area&#8221; is King, Pierce, and Snohomish counties. For anyone wondering how the tiers are chosen, check out last month&#8217;s post. &#91;...&#93;&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Here&#8217;s our monthly look at Seattle&#8217;s price tiers from Case-Shiller. Remember that Case-Shiller data is based on single-family homes only, no condos or townhomes, and that Case-Shiller&#8217;s definition of the &#8220;Seattle area&#8221; is King, Pierce, and Snohomish counties. For anyone wondering how the tiers are chosen, check out last month&#8217;s post. [...]<div
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href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('47102','Case-Shiller Tiers: Three Tiers, One Decline | Seattle Bubble &amp;#8212; News &amp;amp; discussion about real estate &amp;amp; the housing bubble in the Seattle area.','&amp;#91;...&amp;#93; Here&amp;#8217;s our monthly look at Seattle&amp;#8217;s price tiers from Case-Shiller. Remember that Case-Shiller data is based on single-family homes only, no condos or townhomes, and that Case-Shiller&amp;#8217;s definition of the &amp;#8220;Seattle area&amp;#8221; is King, Pierce, and Snohomish counties. For anyone wondering how the tiers are chosen, check out last month&amp;#8217;s post. &amp;#91;...&amp;#93;',''); return false;">Quote</a></div> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: bitterowner</title><link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/03/26/case-shiller-tiers-high-end-takes-a-tumble/#comment-45520</link> <dc:creator>bitterowner</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:21:54 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/03/26/case-shiller-tiers-high-end-takes-a-tumble/#comment-45520</guid> <description>wgucd,
Agree completely. I&#039;m having a hard time understanding the new prevailing logic: &quot;the RE market isn&#039;t declining, houses just need to be &#039;priced right.&#039;&quot;
Is it so hard to understand that they mean the same thing?&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;45520&#039;,&#039;bitterowner&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;45520&#039;,&#039;bitterowner&#039;,&#039;wgucd,\r\nAgree completely. I\&#039;m having a hard time understanding the new prevailing logic: \&quot;the RE market isn\&#039;t declining, houses just need to be \&#039;priced right.\&#039;\&quot;\r\nIs it so hard to understand that they mean the same thing?&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wgucd,<br
/> Agree completely. I&#8217;m having a hard time understanding the new prevailing logic: &#8220;the RE market isn&#8217;t declining, houses just need to be &#8216;priced right.&#8217;&#8221;<br
/> Is it so hard to understand that they mean the same thing?<div
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href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('45520','bitterowner','wgucd,\r\nAgree completely. I\'m having a hard time understanding the new prevailing logic: \&quot;the RE market isn\'t declining, houses just need to be \'priced right.\'\&quot;\r\nIs it so hard to understand that they mean the same thing?',''); return false;">Quote</a></div> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: what goes up comes down</title><link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/03/26/case-shiller-tiers-high-end-takes-a-tumble/#comment-45429</link> <dc:creator>what goes up comes down</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:29:31 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/03/26/case-shiller-tiers-high-end-takes-a-tumble/#comment-45429</guid> <description></description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kelly you are a nut:  this is golden &#8220;Homes just need to be priced right to sell in todayâ€™s market.&#8221; yeah they need to be reduced.</p><p>I can&#8217;t wait for things to really get rolling this summer.  Isn&#8217;t it obvious with supply increasing &#8212; the people who are listing now and have been in the last six months &#8212; KNOW the market has topped and are trying to get out and maximize profits.  If people didn&#8217;t think the market was in  a down trend &#8212; THEY wouldn&#8217;t sell and please don&#8217;t try the &#8212; all the people trying to sell now are relocating or going through a divorce or on their way to the old folks home.<div
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href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('45429','what goes up comes down','kelly you are a nut:  this is golden \&quot;Homes just need to be priced right to sell in today&acirc;€™s market.\&quot; yeah they need to be reduced.  \r\n\r\nI can\'t wait for things to really get rolling this summer.  Isn\'t it obvious with supply increasing -- the people who are listing now and have been in the last six months -- KNOW the market has topped and are trying to get out and maximize profits.  If people didn\'t think the market was in  a down trend -- THEY wouldn\'t sell and please don\'t try the -- all the people trying to sell now are relocating or going through a divorce or on their way to the old folks home.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: christiangustafson</title><link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/03/26/case-shiller-tiers-high-end-takes-a-tumble/#comment-45421</link> <dc:creator>christiangustafson</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 04:58:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/03/26/case-shiller-tiers-high-end-takes-a-tumble/#comment-45421</guid> <description>There is affordable housing in Seattle.  Around the corner from me in Crown Hill is a SFH for a mere $259K.  Cheap!Of course, it&#039;s less than 600 sq ft.  &quot;A real charmer.&quot;I&#039;ll post a pic this weekend on &lt;a href=&quot;http://deflationland.blogspot.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Deflation Land&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;45421&#039;,&#039;christiangustafson&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;45421&#039;,&#039;christiangustafson&#039;,&#039;There is affordable housing in Seattle.  Around the corner from me in Crown Hill is a SFH for a mere $259K.  Cheap!\r\n\r\nOf course, it\&#039;s less than 600 sq ft.  \&quot;A real charmer.\&quot;\r\n\r\nI\&#039;ll post a pic this weekend on &lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/deflationland.blogspot.com\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;Deflation Land&lt;\/a&gt;.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is affordable housing in Seattle.  Around the corner from me in Crown Hill is a SFH for a mere $259K.  Cheap!</p><p>Of course, it&#8217;s less than 600 sq ft.  &#8220;A real charmer.&#8221;</p><p>I&#8217;ll post a pic this weekend on <a
href="http://deflationland.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Deflation Land</a>.<div
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href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('45421','christiangustafson','There is affordable housing in Seattle.  Around the corner from me in Crown Hill is a SFH for a mere $259K.  Cheap!\r\n\r\nOf course, it\'s less than 600 sq ft.  \&quot;A real charmer.\&quot;\r\n\r\nI\'ll post a pic this weekend on &lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/deflationland.blogspot.com\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;Deflation Land&lt;\/a&gt;.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Greg Perry</title><link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/03/26/case-shiller-tiers-high-end-takes-a-tumble/#comment-45413</link> <dc:creator>Greg Perry</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:25:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/03/26/case-shiller-tiers-high-end-takes-a-tumble/#comment-45413</guid> <description>On the Eastside, inventory for lower priced homes are absorbing fairly rapidly.  The high end is not moving at all.Here are a couple of Eastside area studies:
Redmond:  http://www.workingforyou.typepad.com//realestate/2008/03/redmond-real-es.htmlEast Bellevue:http://www.workingforyou.typepad.com//realestate/2008/03/east-bellevue-n.html&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;45413&#039;,&#039;Greg Perry&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;45413&#039;,&#039;Greg Perry&#039;,&#039;On the Eastside, inventory for lower priced homes are absorbing fairly rapidly.  The high end is not moving at all.\r\n\r\nHere are a couple of Eastside area studies:\r\nRedmond:  http:\/\/www.workingforyou.typepad.com\/\/realestate\/2008\/03\/redmond-real-es.html\r\n\r\nEast Bellevue:http:\/\/www.workingforyou.typepad.com\/\/realestate\/2008\/03\/east-bellevue-n.html&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the Eastside, inventory for lower priced homes are absorbing fairly rapidly.  The high end is not moving at all.</p><p>Here are a couple of Eastside area studies:<br
/> Redmond: <a
href="http://www.workingforyou.typepad.com//realestate/2008/03/redmond-real-es.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.workingforyou.typepad.com//realestate/2008/03/redmond-real-es.html</a></p><p>East Bellevue:http://www.workingforyou.typepad.com//realestate/2008/03/east-bellevue-n.html<div
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href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('45413','Greg Perry','On the Eastside, inventory for lower priced homes are absorbing fairly rapidly.  The high end is not moving at all.\r\n\r\nHere are a couple of Eastside area studies:\r\nRedmond:  http:\/\/www.workingforyou.typepad.com\/\/realestate\/2008\/03\/redmond-real-es.html\r\n\r\nEast Bellevue:http:\/\/www.workingforyou.typepad.com\/\/realestate\/2008\/03\/east-bellevue-n.html',''); return false;">Quote</a></div> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ubersalad</title><link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/03/26/case-shiller-tiers-high-end-takes-a-tumble/#comment-45390</link> <dc:creator>Ubersalad</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:19:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/03/26/case-shiller-tiers-high-end-takes-a-tumble/#comment-45390</guid> <description>Hahahah, I went to high school with Kelly Nutt, but I&#039;ll choose to remain anonymous.If you truly believe that overall happening in the area won&#039;t effect certain community, and perhaps you are overlooking too many other factors.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;45390&#039;,&#039;Ubersalad&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;45390&#039;,&#039;Ubersalad&#039;,&#039;Hahahah, I went to high school with Kelly Nutt, but I\&#039;ll choose to remain anonymous. \r\n\r\nIf you truly believe that overall happening in the area won\&#039;t effect certain community, and perhaps you are overlooking too many other factors.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hahahah, I went to high school with Kelly Nutt, but I&#8217;ll choose to remain anonymous.</p><p>If you truly believe that overall happening in the area won&#8217;t effect certain community, and perhaps you are overlooking too many other factors.<div
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isPermaLink="false">http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/03/26/case-shiller-tiers-high-end-takes-a-tumble/#comment-45388</guid> <description>In semi-related news &lt;a href=&quot;http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2008/fsb/0803/gallery.best_places_to_launch.fsb/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fortune names Bellevue the number 1 place to live and start a company&lt;/a&gt;.From the article
&lt;blockquote&gt;
Pros: Talented workforce, growing downtown
Cons: Pricey homes, high cost of living
&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;45388&#039;,&#039;Joel&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;45388&#039;,&#039;Joel&#039;,&#039;In semi-related news &lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/money.cnn.com\/galleries\/2008\/fsb\/0803\/gallery.best_places_to_launch.fsb\/index.html\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;Fortune names Bellevue the number 1 place to live and start a company&lt;\/a&gt;.\r\n\r\nFrom the article\r\n&lt;blockquote&gt;\r\nPros: Talented workforce, growing downtown\r\nCons: Pricey homes, high cost of living\r\n&lt;\/blockquote&gt;&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In semi-related news <a
href="http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2008/fsb/0803/gallery.best_places_to_launch.fsb/index.html" rel="nofollow">Fortune names Bellevue the number 1 place to live and start a company</a>.</p><p>From the article</p><blockquote><p> Pros: Talented workforce, growing downtown<br
/> Cons: Pricey homes, high cost of living</p></blockquote><div
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isPermaLink="false">http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/03/26/case-shiller-tiers-high-end-takes-a-tumble/#comment-45386</guid> <description>&quot;so that there are the same number of sales, after accounting for exclusions, in each of the three tiers.&quot;If hypothetically there was a surge in middle or low tier sales, it would make the top tier price come down, even though prices might not have changed at all, because of the way they compute the tiers. It is the median effect all over again.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;45386&#039;,&#039;jon&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;45386&#039;,&#039;jon&#039;,&#039;\&quot;so that there are the same number of sales, after accounting for exclusions, in each of the three tiers.\&quot;\r\n\r\nIf hypothetically there was a surge in middle or low tier sales, it would make the top tier price come down, even though prices might not have changed at all, because of the way they compute the tiers. It is the median effect all over again.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;so that there are the same number of sales, after accounting for exclusions, in each of the three tiers.&#8221;</p><p>If hypothetically there was a surge in middle or low tier sales, it would make the top tier price come down, even though prices might not have changed at all, because of the way they compute the tiers. It is the median effect all over again.<div
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href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('45386','jon','\&quot;so that there are the same number of sales, after accounting for exclusions, in each of the three tiers.\&quot;\r\n\r\nIf hypothetically there was a surge in middle or low tier sales, it would make the top tier price come down, even though prices might not have changed at all, because of the way they compute the tiers. It is the median effect all over again.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Everett_Tom</title><link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/03/26/case-shiller-tiers-high-end-takes-a-tumble/#comment-45385</link> <dc:creator>Everett_Tom</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:08:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/03/26/case-shiller-tiers-high-end-takes-a-tumble/#comment-45385</guid> <description>You know, looking at all this one more thing kind of popped out for me.Many of these numbers are percentages, and a negative percentage can pack a larger wallop to the base number.  What do I mean?  A simple example (with numbers that make the math easy..)from 50 to 100 is a 100% increase
but from 100 back to 50 is a 50% decrease.(This gets less pronounced when numbers are smaller)
from 50 to 55 is up 10%
from 55 to 50 is down 9.09...%So if homes are up 10% over one year, and down 10% the next year.. the prices aren&#039;t what they were two years ago.. they&#039;re lower... I wonder how many people pick up on that..&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;45385&#039;,&#039;Everett_Tom&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;45385&#039;,&#039;Everett_Tom&#039;,&#039;You know, looking at all this one more thing kind of popped out for me. \r\n\r\nMany of these numbers are percentages, and a negative percentage can pack a larger wallop to the base number.  What do I mean?  A simple example (with numbers that make the math easy..)\r\n\r\nfrom 50 to 100 is a 100% increase\r\nbut from 100 back to 50 is a 50% decrease.\r\n\r\n(This gets less pronounced when numbers are smaller)\r\nfrom 50 to 55 is up 10%\r\nfrom 55 to 50 is down 9.09...%\r\n\r\nSo if homes are up 10% over one year, and down 10% the next year.. the prices aren\&#039;t what they were two years ago.. they\&#039;re lower... I wonder how many people pick up on that..&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, looking at all this one more thing kind of popped out for me.</p><p>Many of these numbers are percentages, and a negative percentage can pack a larger wallop to the base number.  What do I mean?  A simple example (with numbers that make the math easy..)</p><p>from 50 to 100 is a 100% increase<br
/> but from 100 back to 50 is a 50% decrease.</p><p>(This gets less pronounced when numbers are smaller)<br
/> from 50 to 55 is up 10%<br
/> from 55 to 50 is down 9.09&#8230;%</p><p>So if homes are up 10% over one year, and down 10% the next year.. the prices aren&#8217;t what they were two years ago.. they&#8217;re lower&#8230; I wonder how many people pick up on that..<div
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href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('45385','Everett_Tom','You know, looking at all this one more thing kind of popped out for me. \r\n\r\nMany of these numbers are percentages, and a negative percentage can pack a larger wallop to the base number.  What do I mean?  A simple example (with numbers that make the math easy..)\r\n\r\nfrom 50 to 100 is a 100% increase\r\nbut from 100 back to 50 is a 50% decrease.\r\n\r\n(This gets less pronounced when numbers are smaller)\r\nfrom 50 to 55 is up 10%\r\nfrom 55 to 50 is down 9.09...%\r\n\r\nSo if homes are up 10% over one year, and down 10% the next year.. the prices aren\'t what they were two years ago.. they\'re lower... I wonder how many people pick up on that..',''); return false;">Quote</a></div> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: kellynutt</title><link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/03/26/case-shiller-tiers-high-end-takes-a-tumble/#comment-45383</link> <dc:creator>kellynutt</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:04:31 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/03/26/case-shiller-tiers-high-end-takes-a-tumble/#comment-45383</guid> <description>Every market is so localized, I do some new construction sales for a higher end builder, right now the builder has I believe 11 communities being built.  The builder adjusted prices through January, but we have had more sales in the last couple months and the prices have actually been increased and homes are still selling.  Prices are defeinetely down from last year, and I am not saying the market has corrected itself yet.  Homes just need to be priced right to sell in today&#039;s market.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;45383&#039;,&#039;kellynutt&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;45383&#039;,&#039;kellynutt&#039;,&#039;Every market is so localized, I do some new construction sales for a higher end builder, right now the builder has I believe 11 communities being built.  The builder adjusted prices through January, but we have had more sales in the last couple months and the prices have actually been increased and homes are still selling.  Prices are defeinetely down from last year, and I am not saying the market has corrected itself yet.  Homes just need to be priced right to sell in today\&#039;s market.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every market is so localized, I do some new construction sales for a higher end builder, right now the builder has I believe 11 communities being built.  The builder adjusted prices through January, but we have had more sales in the last couple months and the prices have actually been increased and homes are still selling.  Prices are defeinetely down from last year, and I am not saying the market has corrected itself yet.  Homes just need to be priced right to sell in today&#8217;s market.<div
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isPermaLink="false">http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/03/26/case-shiller-tiers-high-end-takes-a-tumble/#comment-45382</guid> <description>The housing market prices have been trending downwards as people have been rolling back prices in a tentative manner to find buyers.I wonder how the feds actions of lowering interest rates will play out for the ARM resets. I think that people will be a little better off and there won&#039;t be a huge panic in that crowd. (unless they were seriously leveraged to begin with). I don&#039;t think that is going to be the primary catalyst to drive prices downwards. The catalyst may be the people who panic will do so because of falling housing prices naturally deflating from their unsustainable levels. Its the upside down mortage crowd who will be walking away from homes or declaring bankruptcy or selling at huge losses. This will in turn drive panicky selling practices. The realtors will just stand by and collect checks as this new crowd pushes transaction volumes. Every new panicky sale will push the prices downward.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;45382&#039;,&#039;sunsplint&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;45382&#039;,&#039;sunsplint&#039;,&#039;The housing market prices have been trending downwards as people have been rolling back prices in a tentative manner to find buyers.\r\n\r\nI wonder how the feds actions of lowering interest rates will play out for the ARM resets. I think that people will be a little better off and there won\&#039;t be a huge panic in that crowd. (unless they were seriously leveraged to begin with). I don\&#039;t think that is going to be the primary catalyst to drive prices downwards. The catalyst may be the people who panic will do so because of falling housing prices naturally deflating from their unsustainable levels. Its the upside down mortage crowd who will be walking away from homes or declaring bankruptcy or selling at huge losses. This will in turn drive panicky selling practices. The realtors will just stand by and collect checks as this new crowd pushes transaction volumes. Every new panicky sale will push the prices downward.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The housing market prices have been trending downwards as people have been rolling back prices in a tentative manner to find buyers.</p><p>I wonder how the feds actions of lowering interest rates will play out for the ARM resets. I think that people will be a little better off and there won&#8217;t be a huge panic in that crowd. (unless they were seriously leveraged to begin with). I don&#8217;t think that is going to be the primary catalyst to drive prices downwards. The catalyst may be the people who panic will do so because of falling housing prices naturally deflating from their unsustainable levels. Its the upside down mortage crowd who will be walking away from homes or declaring bankruptcy or selling at huge losses. This will in turn drive panicky selling practices. The realtors will just stand by and collect checks as this new crowd pushes transaction volumes. Every new panicky sale will push the prices downward.<div
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href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('45382','sunsplint','The housing market prices have been trending downwards as people have been rolling back prices in a tentative manner to find buyers.\r\n\r\nI wonder how the feds actions of lowering interest rates will play out for the ARM resets. I think that people will be a little better off and there won\'t be a huge panic in that crowd. (unless they were seriously leveraged to begin with). I don\'t think that is going to be the primary catalyst to drive prices downwards. The catalyst may be the people who panic will do so because of falling housing prices naturally deflating from their unsustainable levels. Its the upside down mortage crowd who will be walking away from homes or declaring bankruptcy or selling at huge losses. This will in turn drive panicky selling practices. The realtors will just stand by and collect checks as this new crowd pushes transaction volumes. Every new panicky sale will push the prices downward.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: deejayoh</title><link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/03/26/case-shiller-tiers-high-end-takes-a-tumble/#comment-45381</link> <dc:creator>deejayoh</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:51:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/03/26/case-shiller-tiers-high-end-takes-a-tumble/#comment-45381</guid> <description>I think that &quot;percent off peak&quot; chart is the most telling.  News stories quote the negative 1.3% YoY as a big deal.  It&#039;s a much bigger deal that we are 5.5% off from the peak in only 6 months.  That&#039;s an annualized 11.1% rate of decline.So in other words, if we keep dropping at the current rate, this July we are looking at 11% off YoY performance for Case Shiller.   Probably worse for Median price.    And the RadarLogic index shows Seattle dropping at a 16% annualized rate!Mathematically, that&#039;s probably about as bad as I see the YoY numbers getting.  After that the comps will be the post-dropoff months, which will mute the impact.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;45381&#039;,&#039;deejayoh&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;45381&#039;,&#039;deejayoh&#039;,&#039;I think that \&quot;percent off peak\&quot; chart is the most telling.  News stories quote the negative 1.3% YoY as a big deal.  It\&#039;s a much bigger deal that we are 5.5% off from the peak in only 6 months.  That\&#039;s an annualized 11.1% rate of decline.\r\n\r\nSo in other words, if we keep dropping at the current rate, this July we are looking at 11% off YoY performance for Case Shiller.   Probably worse for Median price.    And the RadarLogic index shows Seattle dropping at a 16% annualized rate!\r\n\r\nMathematically, that\&#039;s probably about as bad as I see the YoY numbers getting.  After that the comps will be the post-dropoff months, which will mute the impact.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that &#8220;percent off peak&#8221; chart is the most telling.  News stories quote the negative 1.3% YoY as a big deal.  It&#8217;s a much bigger deal that we are 5.5% off from the peak in only 6 months.  That&#8217;s an annualized 11.1% rate of decline.</p><p>So in other words, if we keep dropping at the current rate, this July we are looking at 11% off YoY performance for Case Shiller.   Probably worse for Median price.    And the RadarLogic index shows Seattle dropping at a 16% annualized rate!</p><p>Mathematically, that&#8217;s probably about as bad as I see the YoY numbers getting.  After that the comps will be the post-dropoff months, which will mute the impact.<div
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href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('45381','deejayoh','I think that \&quot;percent off peak\&quot; chart is the most telling.  News stories quote the negative 1.3% YoY as a big deal.  It\'s a much bigger deal that we are 5.5% off from the peak in only 6 months.  That\'s an annualized 11.1% rate of decline.\r\n\r\nSo in other words, if we keep dropping at the current rate, this July we are looking at 11% off YoY performance for Case Shiller.   Probably worse for Median price.    And the RadarLogic index shows Seattle dropping at a 16% annualized rate!\r\n\r\nMathematically, that\'s probably about as bad as I see the YoY numbers getting.  After that the comps will be the post-dropoff months, which will mute the impact.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ira Sacharoff</title><link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/03/26/case-shiller-tiers-high-end-takes-a-tumble/#comment-45377</link> <dc:creator>Ira Sacharoff</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:31:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/03/26/case-shiller-tiers-high-end-takes-a-tumble/#comment-45377</guid> <description>So within the city of Seattle, it seems like there really is practically no low tier, houses under 319k, or at least a very tiny number, and I&#039;m guessing that most of the low tier are in Pierce and Snohomish.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;45377&#039;,&#039;Ira Sacharoff&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;45377&#039;,&#039;Ira Sacharoff&#039;,&#039;So within the city of Seattle, it seems like there really is practically no low tier, houses under 319k, or at least a very tiny number, and I\&#039;m guessing that most of the low tier are in Pierce and Snohomish.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So within the city of Seattle, it seems like there really is practically no low tier, houses under 319k, or at least a very tiny number, and I&#8217;m guessing that most of the low tier are in Pierce and Snohomish.<div
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isPermaLink="false">http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/03/26/case-shiller-tiers-high-end-takes-a-tumble/#comment-45376</guid> <description>It makes sense for the high end to drop last. People with the most money shop in the high end, they probably get credit more easily, etc.I am starting to see more price drops around the Eastside, both with new and existing homes. Redfin is good for watching this. Although I curiously see price histories where people have raised their prices for a while.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;45376&#039;,&#039;Ben&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;45376&#039;,&#039;Ben&#039;,&#039;It makes sense for the high end to drop last. People with the most money shop in the high end, they probably get credit more easily, etc.\r\n\r\nI am starting to see more price drops around the Eastside, both with new and existing homes. Redfin is good for watching this. Although I curiously see price histories where people have raised their prices for a while.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It makes sense for the high end to drop last. People with the most money shop in the high end, they probably get credit more easily, etc.</p><p>I am starting to see more price drops around the Eastside, both with new and existing homes. Redfin is good for watching this. Although I curiously see price histories where people have raised their prices for a while.<div
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isPermaLink="false">http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/03/26/case-shiller-tiers-high-end-takes-a-tumble/#comment-45375</guid> <description>I don&#039;t want to reignite the whole debate over Seattle&#039;s status as a &quot;world class city&quot; but it&#039;s pretty clear that it isn&#039;t the city it was 10 years ago. We&#039;re still a two newspaper town but our days as a two company town are over.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;45375&#039;,&#039;Plissken&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;45375&#039;,&#039;Plissken&#039;,&#039;I don\&#039;t want to reignite the whole debate over Seattle\&#039;s status as a \&quot;world class city\&quot; but it\&#039;s pretty clear that it isn\&#039;t the city it was 10 years ago. We\&#039;re still a two newspaper town but our days as a two company town are over.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t want to reignite the whole debate over Seattle&#8217;s status as a &#8220;world class city&#8221; but it&#8217;s pretty clear that it isn&#8217;t the city it was 10 years ago. We&#8217;re still a two newspaper town but our days as a two company town are over.<div
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isPermaLink="false">http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/03/26/case-shiller-tiers-high-end-takes-a-tumble/#comment-45370</guid> <description>well, according to the CPI, 100 dollars from 2000 is worth about 125 dollars today.if we really believe the Shiller analysis that says that house values essentially do not change over time (in inflation adjusted dollars), the C-S index has to run all the way down to 125 from the 180 it is at today.about a 30% drop.this is only a reasonable claim if we think that Seattle hasn&#039;t changed significantly since 2000 and if we assume that no government or market intervention will be important.according to this tier analysis, the low end will correct the most.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;45370&#039;,&#039;vboring&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;45370&#039;,&#039;vboring&#039;,&#039;well, according to the CPI, 100 dollars from 2000 is worth about 125 dollars today.\r\n\r\nif we really believe the Shiller analysis that says that house values essentially do not change over time (in inflation adjusted dollars), the C-S index has to run all the way down to 125 from the 180 it is at today.\r\n\r\nabout a 30% drop.\r\n\r\nthis is only a reasonable claim if we think that Seattle hasn\&#039;t changed significantly since 2000 and if we assume that no government or market intervention will be important.\r\n\r\naccording to this tier analysis, the low end will correct the most.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, according to the CPI, 100 dollars from 2000 is worth about 125 dollars today.</p><p>if we really believe the Shiller analysis that says that house values essentially do not change over time (in inflation adjusted dollars), the C-S index has to run all the way down to 125 from the 180 it is at today.</p><p>about a 30% drop.</p><p>this is only a reasonable claim if we think that Seattle hasn&#8217;t changed significantly since 2000 and if we assume that no government or market intervention will be important.</p><p>according to this tier analysis, the low end will correct the most.<div
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