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		<title>By: uptown</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/06/20/link-roundup-taxes-fraud-layoffs-oh-my/#comment-50663</link>
		<dc:creator>uptown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 20:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: WaMu

4 days after the announced layoffs of 1,200, and Washington Mutual has 1,427 jobs open on their website.  Doesn&#039;t look like they&#039;re going out of business just yet.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;50663&#039;,&#039;uptown&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;50663&#039;,&#039;uptown&#039;,&#039;Re: WaMu\r\n\r\n4 days after the announced layoffs of 1,200, and Washington Mutual has 1,427 jobs open on their website.  Doesn\&#039;t look like they\&#039;re going out of business just yet.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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<p>4 days after the announced layoffs of 1,200, and Washington Mutual has 1,427 jobs open on their website.  Doesn&#8217;t look like they&#8217;re going out of business just yet.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('50663','uptown',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('50663','uptown','Re: WaMu\r\n\r\n4 days after the announced layoffs of 1,200, and Washington Mutual has 1,427 jobs open on their website.  Doesn\'t look like they\'re going out of business just yet.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Ira Sacharoff</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/06/20/link-roundup-taxes-fraud-layoffs-oh-my/#comment-50545</link>
		<dc:creator>Ira Sacharoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 21:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Nurses that do NOT wash their hands when they enter your room and spread infectionsâ€¦Donâ€™t get me startedâ€¦I was an infection control supervisor. In every profession there are incompetents, unethical, and useless people.&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe there are useless, lazy, and incompetent nurses, but  I think the Real Estate industry maybe lends itself a little more to fraud?
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('50545','Ira Sacharoff',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('50545','Ira Sacharoff','\&quot;Nurses that do NOT wash their hands when they enter your room and spread infections&acirc;€&brvbar;Don&acirc;€™t get me started&acirc;€&brvbar;I was an infection control supervisor. In every profession there are incompetents, unethical, and useless people.\&quot;\r\n\r\nMaybe there are useless, lazy, and incompetent nurses, but  I think the Real Estate industry maybe lends itself a little more to fraud?',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Ray Pepper</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/06/20/link-roundup-taxes-fraud-layoffs-oh-my/#comment-50544</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Pepper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 19:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>actually I only sold two.  I still have many as rentals.  I never buy or sell everything at one moment in time.   Just like stocks. I sell 1/4 then maybe 1/2...and so on...I usually sell a property or a stock to free up cash for the next venture... I still hold currently 17 properties both commercial and residential.  

The &quot;real estate professionals&quot; were busy selling the homes.  Personally I have always been an investor 1st.  I only got my Real Estate license to save 3% when I sold and to get the 3% when I bought.  I would have NEVER gotten a license if there were 500 Realty and Red Fin type Brokerages.  Most Agents I know never bought rentals.  They are not investors.  Very far from it. I would like to use the term &quot;paper pushers.&quot;  

As for Tim running a blog I cannot comment.  The current collapse in the mkt I assure you,  and everyone it to will correct itself.   The cost of materials to build homes and infrastructure will only go up.  Most of my remaining properties I have are for my retirement.   I will let many go over the next decade and continue to move cash around into other properties and the markets.    

I have only had 1 investor file for bankruptcy but that was due to illness and pure foolishness of not carrying health insurance.  The rest of us continue to wait and wait until the bleeding becomes arterial.  There will be temporary blips up but Cash is king this decade.  

Timing is everything.  Research and effort.  I don&#039;t fly every 4 weeks to Nevada and Arizona to take up the sun.  Well maybe a little.  Its all research.  Just like our mkts here.  Every Buyer  must spend the time to dig.   The GEMS are popping up as they always will.   We can&#039;t buy everything but the ones we do Buy can handle any kind of mkt downturn.     

I just bought our New office location in Tacoma. 8221 South Park. 3 year contract at 268k. 40k down.  Owner pays taxes and insurance for 3 years or I cash him out early for 260k.  Its a HUGE Historic home in a commercial area off I5.  Its zoned commercial and M/F with an apt.  A Pure GEM.  It took me a year to get it but the seller finally saw it my way.  

Effort friends...Before you invest in anything take the time and do your DD.  How do hedge funds and investors lose all this money?  I will tell you......As an RN for over 10 years there are many great ones and many horrible.  Nurses that do NOT wash their hands when they enter your room and spread infections...Don&#039;t get me started...I was an infection control supervisor.  In every profession there are incompetents, unethical, and useless people.   

In the end they will always lose.

Ray Pepper
www.500Realty.net&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;50544&#039;,&#039;Ray Pepper&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;50544&#039;,&#039;Ray Pepper&#039;,&#039;actually I only sold two.  I still have many as rentals.  I never buy or sell everything at one moment in time.   Just like stocks. I sell 1\/4 then maybe 1\/2...and so on...I usually sell a property or a stock to free up cash for the next venture... I still hold currently 17 properties both commercial and residential.  \r\n\r\nThe \&quot;real estate professionals\&quot; were busy selling the homes.  Personally I have always been an investor 1st.  I only got my Real Estate license to save 3% when I sold and to get the 3% when I bought.  I would have NEVER gotten a license if there were 500 Realty and Red Fin type Brokerages.  Most Agents I know never bought rentals.  They are not investors.  Very far from it. I would like to use the term \&quot;paper pushers.\&quot;  \r\n\r\nAs for Tim running a blog I cannot comment.  The current collapse in the mkt I assure you,  and everyone it to will correct itself.   The cost of materials to build homes and infrastructure will only go up.  Most of my remaining properties I have are for my retirement.   I will let many go over the next decade and continue to move cash around into other properties and the markets.    \r\n\r\nI have only had 1 investor file for bankruptcy but that was due to illness and pure foolishness of not carrying health insurance.  The rest of us continue to wait and wait until the bleeding becomes arterial.  There will be temporary blips up but Cash is king this decade.  \r\n\r\nTiming is everything.  Research and effort.  I don\&#039;t fly every 4 weeks to Nevada and Arizona to take up the sun.  Well maybe a little.  Its all research.  Just like our mkts here.  Every Buyer  must spend the time to dig.   The GEMS are popping up as they always will.   We can\&#039;t buy everything but the ones we do Buy can handle any kind of mkt downturn.     \r\n\r\nI just bought our New office location in Tacoma. 8221 South Park. 3 year contract at 268k. 40k down.  Owner pays taxes and insurance for 3 years or I cash him out early for 260k.  Its a HUGE Historic home in a commercial area off I5.  Its zoned commercial and M\/F with an apt.  A Pure GEM.  It took me a year to get it but the seller finally saw it my way.  \r\n\r\nEffort friends...Before you invest in anything take the time and do your DD.  How do hedge funds and investors lose all this money?  I will tell you......As an RN for over 10 years there are many great ones and many horrible.  Nurses that do NOT wash their hands when they enter your room and spread infections...Don\&#039;t get me started...I was an infection control supervisor.  In every profession there are incompetents, unethical, and useless people.   \r\n\r\nIn the end they will always lose.\r\n\r\nRay Pepper\r\nwww.500Realty.net&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually I only sold two.  I still have many as rentals.  I never buy or sell everything at one moment in time.   Just like stocks. I sell 1/4 then maybe 1/2&#8230;and so on&#8230;I usually sell a property or a stock to free up cash for the next venture&#8230; I still hold currently 17 properties both commercial and residential.  </p>
<p>The &#8220;real estate professionals&#8221; were busy selling the homes.  Personally I have always been an investor 1st.  I only got my Real Estate license to save 3% when I sold and to get the 3% when I bought.  I would have NEVER gotten a license if there were 500 Realty and Red Fin type Brokerages.  Most Agents I know never bought rentals.  They are not investors.  Very far from it. I would like to use the term &#8220;paper pushers.&#8221;  </p>
<p>As for Tim running a blog I cannot comment.  The current collapse in the mkt I assure you,  and everyone it to will correct itself.   The cost of materials to build homes and infrastructure will only go up.  Most of my remaining properties I have are for my retirement.   I will let many go over the next decade and continue to move cash around into other properties and the markets.    </p>
<p>I have only had 1 investor file for bankruptcy but that was due to illness and pure foolishness of not carrying health insurance.  The rest of us continue to wait and wait until the bleeding becomes arterial.  There will be temporary blips up but Cash is king this decade.  </p>
<p>Timing is everything.  Research and effort.  I don&#8217;t fly every 4 weeks to Nevada and Arizona to take up the sun.  Well maybe a little.  Its all research.  Just like our mkts here.  Every Buyer  must spend the time to dig.   The GEMS are popping up as they always will.   We can&#8217;t buy everything but the ones we do Buy can handle any kind of mkt downturn.     </p>
<p>I just bought our New office location in Tacoma. 8221 South Park. 3 year contract at 268k. 40k down.  Owner pays taxes and insurance for 3 years or I cash him out early for 260k.  Its a HUGE Historic home in a commercial area off I5.  Its zoned commercial and M/F with an apt.  A Pure GEM.  It took me a year to get it but the seller finally saw it my way.  </p>
<p>Effort friends&#8230;Before you invest in anything take the time and do your DD.  How do hedge funds and investors lose all this money?  I will tell you&#8230;&#8230;As an RN for over 10 years there are many great ones and many horrible.  Nurses that do NOT wash their hands when they enter your room and spread infections&#8230;Don&#8217;t get me started&#8230;I was an infection control supervisor.  In every profession there are incompetents, unethical, and useless people.   </p>
<p>In the end they will always lose.</p>
<p>Ray Pepper<br />
<a href="http://www.500Realty.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.500Realty.net</a>
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('50544','Ray Pepper',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('50544','Ray Pepper','actually I only sold two.  I still have many as rentals.  I never buy or sell everything at one moment in time.   Just like stocks. I sell 1\/4 then maybe 1\/2...and so on...I usually sell a property or a stock to free up cash for the next venture... I still hold currently 17 properties both commercial and residential.  \r\n\r\nThe \&quot;real estate professionals\&quot; were busy selling the homes.  Personally I have always been an investor 1st.  I only got my Real Estate license to save 3% when I sold and to get the 3% when I bought.  I would have NEVER gotten a license if there were 500 Realty and Red Fin type Brokerages.  Most Agents I know never bought rentals.  They are not investors.  Very far from it. I would like to use the term \&quot;paper pushers.\&quot;  \r\n\r\nAs for Tim running a blog I cannot comment.  The current collapse in the mkt I assure you,  and everyone it to will correct itself.   The cost of materials to build homes and infrastructure will only go up.  Most of my remaining properties I have are for my retirement.   I will let many go over the next decade and continue to move cash around into other properties and the markets.    \r\n\r\nI have only had 1 investor file for bankruptcy but that was due to illness and pure foolishness of not carrying health insurance.  The rest of us continue to wait and wait until the bleeding becomes arterial.  There will be temporary blips up but Cash is king this decade.  \r\n\r\nTiming is everything.  Research and effort.  I don\'t fly every 4 weeks to Nevada and Arizona to take up the sun.  Well maybe a little.  Its all research.  Just like our mkts here.  Every Buyer  must spend the time to dig.   The GEMS are popping up as they always will.   We can\'t buy everything but the ones we do Buy can handle any kind of mkt downturn.     \r\n\r\nI just bought our New office location in Tacoma. 8221 South Park. 3 year contract at 268k. 40k down.  Owner pays taxes and insurance for 3 years or I cash him out early for 260k.  Its a HUGE Historic home in a commercial area off I5.  Its zoned commercial and M\/F with an apt.  A Pure GEM.  It took me a year to get it but the seller finally saw it my way.  \r\n\r\nEffort friends...Before you invest in anything take the time and do your DD.  How do hedge funds and investors lose all this money?  I will tell you......As an RN for over 10 years there are many great ones and many horrible.  Nurses that do NOT wash their hands when they enter your room and spread infections...Don\'t get me started...I was an infection control supervisor.  In every profession there are incompetents, unethical, and useless people.   \r\n\r\nIn the end they will always lose.\r\n\r\nRay Pepper\r\nwww.500Realty.net',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: david losh</title>
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		<dc:creator>david losh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK pepper you made money and got out. I sold my last property March 2007. My most stubborn investor sold in July 2007 in a panic to unload. 
How do hedge funds, who have all the resources in the world, lose money? How is it all a surprise when a guy, not even in the Real Estate business, is running a bubble blog?
Where were the real estate professionals?&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;50542&#039;,&#039;david losh&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;50542&#039;,&#039;david losh&#039;,&#039;OK pepper you made money and got out. I sold my last property March 2007. My most stubborn investor sold in July 2007 in a panic to unload. \r\nHow do hedge funds, who have all the resources in the world, lose money? How is it all a surprise when a guy, not even in the Real Estate business, is running a bubble blog?\r\nWhere were the real estate professionals?&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK pepper you made money and got out. I sold my last property March 2007. My most stubborn investor sold in July 2007 in a panic to unload.<br />
How do hedge funds, who have all the resources in the world, lose money? How is it all a surprise when a guy, not even in the Real Estate business, is running a bubble blog?<br />
Where were the real estate professionals?
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('50542','david losh',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('50542','david losh','OK pepper you made money and got out. I sold my last property March 2007. My most stubborn investor sold in July 2007 in a panic to unload. \r\nHow do hedge funds, who have all the resources in the world, lose money? How is it all a surprise when a guy, not even in the Real Estate business, is running a bubble blog?\r\nWhere were the real estate professionals?',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: mking</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/06/20/link-roundup-taxes-fraud-layoffs-oh-my/#comment-50541</link>
		<dc:creator>mking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just because mortgage money is cheap does not transalate into values going up.

i cant believe a RE professional does not understand the link between low rates and increased values. most RE buyers are not cash buyers. they HAVE to watch their monthy cash flow, so they look at payments.  the purchase price of the house becomes secondary to the monthly payment.  when people realize that due to cheap mortgage rates they can afford more house, they bid up the house prices. when banks stop paying attention to the ability of buyers to pay back loans, b/c the banks are going to securitize the loan to offload the risk, the pool of buyers goes up, and teaser rates and negative interest rates increase the problem, as that lets people buy more house than they can afford based on artifically low monthly payments.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;50541&#039;,&#039;mking&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;50541&#039;,&#039;mking&#039;,&#039;Just because mortgage money is cheap does not transalate into values going up.\r\n\r\ni cant believe a RE professional does not understand the link between low rates and increased values. most RE buyers are not cash buyers. they HAVE to watch their monthy cash flow, so they look at payments.  the purchase price of the house becomes secondary to the monthly payment.  when people realize that due to cheap mortgage rates they can afford more house, they bid up the house prices. when banks stop paying attention to the ability of buyers to pay back loans, b\/c the banks are going to securitize the loan to offload the risk, the pool of buyers goes up, and teaser rates and negative interest rates increase the problem, as that lets people buy more house than they can afford based on artifically low monthly payments.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because mortgage money is cheap does not transalate into values going up.</p>
<p>i cant believe a RE professional does not understand the link between low rates and increased values. most RE buyers are not cash buyers. they HAVE to watch their monthy cash flow, so they look at payments.  the purchase price of the house becomes secondary to the monthly payment.  when people realize that due to cheap mortgage rates they can afford more house, they bid up the house prices. when banks stop paying attention to the ability of buyers to pay back loans, b/c the banks are going to securitize the loan to offload the risk, the pool of buyers goes up, and teaser rates and negative interest rates increase the problem, as that lets people buy more house than they can afford based on artifically low monthly payments.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('50541','mking',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('50541','mking','Just because mortgage money is cheap does not transalate into values going up.\r\n\r\ni cant believe a RE professional does not understand the link between low rates and increased values. most RE buyers are not cash buyers. they HAVE to watch their monthy cash flow, so they look at payments.  the purchase price of the house becomes secondary to the monthly payment.  when people realize that due to cheap mortgage rates they can afford more house, they bid up the house prices. when banks stop paying attention to the ability of buyers to pay back loans, b\/c the banks are going to securitize the loan to offload the risk, the pool of buyers goes up, and teaser rates and negative interest rates increase the problem, as that lets people buy more house than they can afford based on artifically low monthly payments.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Ray Pepper</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/06/20/link-roundup-taxes-fraud-layoffs-oh-my/#comment-50534</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Pepper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 06:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David I was ACTIVELY involved in all this run-up.  I purchased homes in Nevada, Texas, and Oregon during the early run.  The homes I bought were all new for 139k-165k.   When the homes were finally completed they were up 40%.  Some I sold but it was far too early.  Two I sold for 188k after closing at 153k.  BIG MISTAKE at the time.... They ran up to 240k   ...The exact same home I can buy now for about 185k.   I have traded stocks for 2 decades and began to do the same with homes.  

I stopped buying when I could no longer find any under 150k.  Many people continued buying.  Developments stopped selling to investors.  It was all demand.  Demand dimished as prices continued to escalate.  Our investment teams all pulled out and many of us now just have rentals and many sold.  Either way holding or selling was the right decision.  The homes cannot be built now for what we paid for them.  

It was a great ride and now we just look for GEMS and continue to hold cash.  6 months ago I loaded up on 110k of EGHT at  .98.......Its a GEM that I believe will hit 2.00 by EOY and then I&#039;m back to concentrating on homes.  The MKT I find far more fascinating now and I continue to find many Gem-Like stock picks........

Call it fraud.  I call it speculation.  Just like the stock market and the buying of stocks.  Many make money and many lose.  

Timing and doing your DD is (and was) everything.  Just like the 2000 tech bubble.  ALL ABOARD...................................!!!     EVERYONE OFF.........................

Ray Pepper
Broker
www.500Realty.net&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;50534&#039;,&#039;Ray Pepper&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;50534&#039;,&#039;Ray Pepper&#039;,&#039;David I was ACTIVELY involved in all this run-up.  I purchased homes in Nevada, Texas, and Oregon during the early run.  The homes I bought were all new for 139k-165k.   When the homes were finally completed they were up 40%.  Some I sold but it was far too early.  Two I sold for 188k after closing at 153k.  BIG MISTAKE at the time.... They ran up to 240k   ...The exact same home I can buy now for about 185k.   I have traded stocks for 2 decades and began to do the same with homes.  \r\n\r\nI stopped buying when I could no longer find any under 150k.  Many people continued buying.  Developments stopped selling to investors.  It was all demand.  Demand dimished as prices continued to escalate.  Our investment teams all pulled out and many of us now just have rentals and many sold.  Either way holding or selling was the right decision.  The homes cannot be built now for what we paid for them.  \r\n\r\nIt was a great ride and now we just look for GEMS and continue to hold cash.  6 months ago I loaded up on 110k of EGHT at  .98.......Its a GEM that I believe will hit 2.00 by EOY and then I\&#039;m back to concentrating on homes.  The MKT I find far more fascinating now and I continue to find many Gem-Like stock picks........\r\n\r\nCall it fraud.  I call it speculation.  Just like the stock market and the buying of stocks.  Many make money and many lose.  \r\n\r\nTiming and doing your DD is (and was) everything.  Just like the 2000 tech bubble.  ALL ABOARD...................................!!!     EVERYONE OFF.........................\r\n\r\nRay Pepper\r\nBroker\r\nwww.500Realty.net&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David I was ACTIVELY involved in all this run-up.  I purchased homes in Nevada, Texas, and Oregon during the early run.  The homes I bought were all new for 139k-165k.   When the homes were finally completed they were up 40%.  Some I sold but it was far too early.  Two I sold for 188k after closing at 153k.  BIG MISTAKE at the time&#8230;. They ran up to 240k   &#8230;The exact same home I can buy now for about 185k.   I have traded stocks for 2 decades and began to do the same with homes.  </p>
<p>I stopped buying when I could no longer find any under 150k.  Many people continued buying.  Developments stopped selling to investors.  It was all demand.  Demand dimished as prices continued to escalate.  Our investment teams all pulled out and many of us now just have rentals and many sold.  Either way holding or selling was the right decision.  The homes cannot be built now for what we paid for them.  </p>
<p>It was a great ride and now we just look for GEMS and continue to hold cash.  6 months ago I loaded up on 110k of EGHT at  .98&#8230;&#8230;.Its a GEM that I believe will hit 2.00 by EOY and then I&#8217;m back to concentrating on homes.  The MKT I find far more fascinating now and I continue to find many Gem-Like stock picks&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>Call it fraud.  I call it speculation.  Just like the stock market and the buying of stocks.  Many make money and many lose.  </p>
<p>Timing and doing your DD is (and was) everything.  Just like the 2000 tech bubble.  ALL ABOARD&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..!!!     EVERYONE OFF&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Ray Pepper<br />
Broker<br />
<a href="http://www.500Realty.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.500Realty.net</a>
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('50534','Ray Pepper',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('50534','Ray Pepper','David I was ACTIVELY involved in all this run-up.  I purchased homes in Nevada, Texas, and Oregon during the early run.  The homes I bought were all new for 139k-165k.   When the homes were finally completed they were up 40%.  Some I sold but it was far too early.  Two I sold for 188k after closing at 153k.  BIG MISTAKE at the time.... They ran up to 240k   ...The exact same home I can buy now for about 185k.   I have traded stocks for 2 decades and began to do the same with homes.  \r\n\r\nI stopped buying when I could no longer find any under 150k.  Many people continued buying.  Developments stopped selling to investors.  It was all demand.  Demand dimished as prices continued to escalate.  Our investment teams all pulled out and many of us now just have rentals and many sold.  Either way holding or selling was the right decision.  The homes cannot be built now for what we paid for them.  \r\n\r\nIt was a great ride and now we just look for GEMS and continue to hold cash.  6 months ago I loaded up on 110k of EGHT at  .98.......Its a GEM that I believe will hit 2.00 by EOY and then I\'m back to concentrating on homes.  The MKT I find far more fascinating now and I continue to find many Gem-Like stock picks........\r\n\r\nCall it fraud.  I call it speculation.  Just like the stock market and the buying of stocks.  Many make money and many lose.  \r\n\r\nTiming and doing your DD is (and was) everything.  Just like the 2000 tech bubble.  ALL ABOARD...................................!!!     EVERYONE OFF.........................\r\n\r\nRay Pepper\r\nBroker\r\nwww.500Realty.net',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/06/20/link-roundup-taxes-fraud-layoffs-oh-my/#comment-50532</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 00:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that maybe I should be worried about my mental health when the things David Losh says make a lot of sense to me.

You can &quot;overbuild&quot; housing. If the supply increases to the point where new construction cannot be sold for more than it takes to produce then housing has been overbuilt. In economics 101 they would cally it a supply surplus.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;50532&#039;,&#039;Alan&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;50532&#039;,&#039;Alan&#039;,&#039;I think that maybe I should be worried about my mental health when the things David Losh says make a lot of sense to me.\r\n\r\nYou can \&quot;overbuild\&quot; housing. If the supply increases to the point where new construction cannot be sold for more than it takes to produce then housing has been overbuilt. In economics 101 they would cally it a supply surplus.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that maybe I should be worried about my mental health when the things David Losh says make a lot of sense to me.</p>
<p>You can &#8220;overbuild&#8221; housing. If the supply increases to the point where new construction cannot be sold for more than it takes to produce then housing has been overbuilt. In economics 101 they would cally it a supply surplus.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('50532','Alan',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('50532','Alan','I think that maybe I should be worried about my mental health when the things David Losh says make a lot of sense to me.\r\n\r\nYou can \&quot;overbuild\&quot; housing. If the supply increases to the point where new construction cannot be sold for more than it takes to produce then housing has been overbuilt. In economics 101 they would cally it a supply surplus.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: david losh</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/06/20/link-roundup-taxes-fraud-layoffs-oh-my/#comment-50529</link>
		<dc:creator>david losh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 16:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What? You can&#039;t over build. Even if you did it would only lower prices not raise them. The demand is obviously there or the amount of units turned would have slowed. They didn&#039;t slow, it stopped. We can pick August 15th 2007 as the day the units stopped churning and people woke up.
That&#039;s not a market correction. The Real Estate market just stopped like turning off a light switch. 
People don&#039;t want to rent. These people here don&#039;t want to rent. It&#039;s a matter of affordability. If we over built then prices go down, which they will, but in the mean time prices were run up to astounding levels. 
I remember looking at a cracker box house in Ballard for a quarter of a million dollars and asking who would pay that much. In five years it went up in price to a half a million dollars. There was something definitely wrong there. Don&#039;t even get me started on Nevada, Arizona, or New Mexico. Land there is free. 
So really, how did it happen? You can&#039;t blame money. You can&#039;t blame the price of money, it&#039;s a seperate thing. It&#039;s fraud on a grand scale and people should be jailed. The courts should be clogged with the great number of people who were sold a false idea of value. Our system is set up to have checks and balances. This isn&#039;t high school where it&#039;s OK because everybody else did it. It&#039;s fraud.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;50529&#039;,&#039;david losh&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;50529&#039;,&#039;david losh&#039;,&#039;What? You can\&#039;t over build. Even if you did it would only lower prices not raise them. The demand is obviously there or the amount of units turned would have slowed. They didn\&#039;t slow, it stopped. We can pick August 15th 2007 as the day the units stopped churning and people woke up.\r\nThat\&#039;s not a market correction. The Real Estate market just stopped like turning off a light switch. \r\nPeople don\&#039;t want to rent. These people here don\&#039;t want to rent. It\&#039;s a matter of affordability. If we over built then prices go down, which they will, but in the mean time prices were run up to astounding levels. \r\nI remember looking at a cracker box house in Ballard for a quarter of a million dollars and asking who would pay that much. In five years it went up in price to a half a million dollars. There was something definitely wrong there. Don\&#039;t even get me started on Nevada, Arizona, or New Mexico. Land there is free. \r\nSo really, how did it happen? You can\&#039;t blame money. You can\&#039;t blame the price of money, it\&#039;s a seperate thing. It\&#039;s fraud on a grand scale and people should be jailed. The courts should be clogged with the great number of people who were sold a false idea of value. Our system is set up to have checks and balances. This isn\&#039;t high school where it\&#039;s OK because everybody else did it. It\&#039;s fraud.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What? You can&#8217;t over build. Even if you did it would only lower prices not raise them. The demand is obviously there or the amount of units turned would have slowed. They didn&#8217;t slow, it stopped. We can pick August 15th 2007 as the day the units stopped churning and people woke up.<br />
That&#8217;s not a market correction. The Real Estate market just stopped like turning off a light switch.<br />
People don&#8217;t want to rent. These people here don&#8217;t want to rent. It&#8217;s a matter of affordability. If we over built then prices go down, which they will, but in the mean time prices were run up to astounding levels.<br />
I remember looking at a cracker box house in Ballard for a quarter of a million dollars and asking who would pay that much. In five years it went up in price to a half a million dollars. There was something definitely wrong there. Don&#8217;t even get me started on Nevada, Arizona, or New Mexico. Land there is free.<br />
So really, how did it happen? You can&#8217;t blame money. You can&#8217;t blame the price of money, it&#8217;s a seperate thing. It&#8217;s fraud on a grand scale and people should be jailed. The courts should be clogged with the great number of people who were sold a false idea of value. Our system is set up to have checks and balances. This isn&#8217;t high school where it&#8217;s OK because everybody else did it. It&#8217;s fraud.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('50529','david losh',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('50529','david losh','What? You can\'t over build. Even if you did it would only lower prices not raise them. The demand is obviously there or the amount of units turned would have slowed. They didn\'t slow, it stopped. We can pick August 15th 2007 as the day the units stopped churning and people woke up.\r\nThat\'s not a market correction. The Real Estate market just stopped like turning off a light switch. \r\nPeople don\'t want to rent. These people here don\'t want to rent. It\'s a matter of affordability. If we over built then prices go down, which they will, but in the mean time prices were run up to astounding levels. \r\nI remember looking at a cracker box house in Ballard for a quarter of a million dollars and asking who would pay that much. In five years it went up in price to a half a million dollars. There was something definitely wrong there. Don\'t even get me started on Nevada, Arizona, or New Mexico. Land there is free. \r\nSo really, how did it happen? You can\'t blame money. You can\'t blame the price of money, it\'s a seperate thing. It\'s fraud on a grand scale and people should be jailed. The courts should be clogged with the great number of people who were sold a false idea of value. Our system is set up to have checks and balances. This isn\'t high school where it\'s OK because everybody else did it. It\'s fraud.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Ray Pepper</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/06/20/link-roundup-taxes-fraud-layoffs-oh-my/#comment-50528</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Pepper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 08:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David... 911 was the trigger.  There are always triggers to all bubbles.   In an effort to preserve the Capital Mkts we got   the &quot;Greenspan Put&quot; ..Demand surpassed output......Then we overbuilt...........Now we are in correction for the next 5-7 years...

History is being written as we speak...Fraud will always be present..ALWAYS!!  Its never a problem as long as people are making money...Now that the buffet is over and the finger pointing has begun...&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;50528&#039;,&#039;Ray Pepper&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;50528&#039;,&#039;Ray Pepper&#039;,&#039;David... 911 was the trigger.  There are always triggers to all bubbles.   In an effort to preserve the Capital Mkts we got   the \&quot;Greenspan Put\&quot; ..Demand surpassed output......Then we overbuilt...........Now we are in correction for the next 5-7 years...\r\n\r\nHistory is being written as we speak...Fraud will always be present..ALWAYS!!  Its never a problem as long as people are making money...Now that the buffet is over and the finger pointing has begun...&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David&#8230; 911 was the trigger.  There are always triggers to all bubbles.   In an effort to preserve the Capital Mkts we got   the &#8220;Greenspan Put&#8221; ..Demand surpassed output&#8230;&#8230;Then we overbuilt&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..Now we are in correction for the next 5-7 years&#8230;</p>
<p>History is being written as we speak&#8230;Fraud will always be present..ALWAYS!!  Its never a problem as long as people are making money&#8230;Now that the buffet is over and the finger pointing has begun&#8230;
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('50528','Ray Pepper',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('50528','Ray Pepper','David... 911 was the trigger.  There are always triggers to all bubbles.   In an effort to preserve the Capital Mkts we got   the \&quot;Greenspan Put\&quot; ..Demand surpassed output......Then we overbuilt...........Now we are in correction for the next 5-7 years...\r\n\r\nHistory is being written as we speak...Fraud will always be present..ALWAYS!!  Its never a problem as long as people are making money...Now that the buffet is over and the finger pointing has begun...',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: david losh</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/06/20/link-roundup-taxes-fraud-layoffs-oh-my/#comment-50526</link>
		<dc:creator>david losh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 05:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to address fraud for a minute. It&#039;s been interesting to me that people claim cheap money made prices go up. As you point out here daily there are economic conditions that determine property values. Just because mortgage money is cheap does not transalate into values going up. They are two seperate things.
I talk with people every day who spent way too much for properties. I can&#039;t help them, but wonder how an appraiser hit the numbers that were paid for the property. In a year or two property prices going up by $100K to $200K makes no sense for a $400K property. It had to be fraud, and as a part of the conspiracy theory crowd, it had to be orchestrated.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;50526&#039;,&#039;david losh&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;50526&#039;,&#039;david losh&#039;,&#039;I\&#039;d like to address fraud for a minute. It\&#039;s been interesting to me that people claim cheap money made prices go up. As you point out here daily there are economic conditions that determine property values. Just because mortgage money is cheap does not transalate into values going up. They are two seperate things.\r\nI talk with people every day who spent way too much for properties. I can\&#039;t help them, but wonder how an appraiser hit the numbers that were paid for the property. In a year or two property prices going up by $100K to $200K makes no sense for a $400K property. It had to be fraud, and as a part of the conspiracy theory crowd, it had to be orchestrated.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to address fraud for a minute. It&#8217;s been interesting to me that people claim cheap money made prices go up. As you point out here daily there are economic conditions that determine property values. Just because mortgage money is cheap does not transalate into values going up. They are two seperate things.<br />
I talk with people every day who spent way too much for properties. I can&#8217;t help them, but wonder how an appraiser hit the numbers that were paid for the property. In a year or two property prices going up by $100K to $200K makes no sense for a $400K property. It had to be fraud, and as a part of the conspiracy theory crowd, it had to be orchestrated.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('50526','david losh',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('50526','david losh','I\'d like to address fraud for a minute. It\'s been interesting to me that people claim cheap money made prices go up. As you point out here daily there are economic conditions that determine property values. Just because mortgage money is cheap does not transalate into values going up. They are two seperate things.\r\nI talk with people every day who spent way too much for properties. I can\'t help them, but wonder how an appraiser hit the numbers that were paid for the property. In a year or two property prices going up by $100K to $200K makes no sense for a $400K property. It had to be fraud, and as a part of the conspiracy theory crowd, it had to be orchestrated.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: explorer</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/06/20/link-roundup-taxes-fraud-layoffs-oh-my/#comment-50522</link>
		<dc:creator>explorer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 00:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wasn&#039;t Friday the 13th LAST week?  Residual effects...&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;50522&#039;,&#039;explorer&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;50522&#039;,&#039;explorer&#039;,&#039;Wasn\&#039;t Friday the 13th LAST week?  Residual effects...&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t Friday the 13th LAST week?  Residual effects&#8230;
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('50522','explorer',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('50522','explorer','Wasn\'t Friday the 13th LAST week?  Residual effects...',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: patient</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/06/20/link-roundup-taxes-fraud-layoffs-oh-my/#comment-50516</link>
		<dc:creator>patient</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 21:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;nothing convinces people to make major poor financial decisions quite like pleasant weather&quot;

I think it&#039;s the opposite. I think people need something to comfort them when the weather is poor and decide to buy something they don&#039;t need or decide that a new home will probably make the mhappy and lift them out of the weather depression. It might look like it&#039;s the good weather since there is a lag from deciding to actually finding and closing on a home which can make it happen on the warmer season. In summer people are happier and don&#039;t need any comfort purchases. Just happy consumption as good food, vacation trips, some nice new clothes etc but no big ticket items.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;50516&#039;,&#039;patient&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;50516&#039;,&#039;patient&#039;,&#039;\&quot;nothing convinces people to make major poor financial decisions quite like pleasant weather\&quot;\r\n\r\nI think it\&#039;s the opposite. I think people need something to comfort them when the weather is poor and decide to buy something they don\&#039;t need or decide that a new home will probably make the mhappy and lift them out of the weather depression. It might look like it\&#039;s the good weather since there is a lag from deciding to actually finding and closing on a home which can make it happen on the warmer season. In summer people are happier and don\&#039;t need any comfort purchases. Just happy consumption as good food, vacation trips, some nice new clothes etc but no big ticket items.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;nothing convinces people to make major poor financial decisions quite like pleasant weather&#8221;</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s the opposite. I think people need something to comfort them when the weather is poor and decide to buy something they don&#8217;t need or decide that a new home will probably make the mhappy and lift them out of the weather depression. It might look like it&#8217;s the good weather since there is a lag from deciding to actually finding and closing on a home which can make it happen on the warmer season. In summer people are happier and don&#8217;t need any comfort purchases. Just happy consumption as good food, vacation trips, some nice new clothes etc but no big ticket items.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('50516','patient',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('50516','patient','\&quot;nothing convinces people to make major poor financial decisions quite like pleasant weather\&quot;\r\n\r\nI think it\'s the opposite. I think people need something to comfort them when the weather is poor and decide to buy something they don\'t need or decide that a new home will probably make the mhappy and lift them out of the weather depression. It might look like it\'s the good weather since there is a lag from deciding to actually finding and closing on a home which can make it happen on the warmer season. In summer people are happier and don\'t need any comfort purchases. Just happy consumption as good food, vacation trips, some nice new clothes etc but no big ticket items.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: vboring</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/06/20/link-roundup-taxes-fraud-layoffs-oh-my/#comment-50515</link>
		<dc:creator>vboring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 21:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>maybe 90% of home purchase decisions are made during the 8 weeks of pleasant weather.

financing arrangements, escrow, and whatnot just take such random amounts of time that it makes it look like sales happen year round.

today is a sarcastic day, if anyone cares.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;50515&#039;,&#039;vboring&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;50515&#039;,&#039;vboring&#039;,&#039;maybe 90% of home purchase decisions are made during the 8 weeks of pleasant weather.\r\n\r\nfinancing arrangements, escrow, and whatnot just take such random amounts of time that it makes it look like sales happen year round.\r\n\r\ntoday is a sarcastic day, if anyone cares.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>maybe 90% of home purchase decisions are made during the 8 weeks of pleasant weather.</p>
<p>financing arrangements, escrow, and whatnot just take such random amounts of time that it makes it look like sales happen year round.</p>
<p>today is a sarcastic day, if anyone cares.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('50515','vboring',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('50515','vboring','maybe 90% of home purchase decisions are made during the 8 weeks of pleasant weather.\r\n\r\nfinancing arrangements, escrow, and whatnot just take such random amounts of time that it makes it look like sales happen year round.\r\n\r\ntoday is a sarcastic day, if anyone cares.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: softwarengineer</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/06/20/link-roundup-taxes-fraud-layoffs-oh-my/#comment-50514</link>
		<dc:creator>softwarengineer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 21:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TAX ASSESSMENTS

My friend&#039;s mom didn&#039;t like her assessment for taxes either. Apparently, she just hired her own assessor and he/she determined per square footage and lot size comparable sales with about a mile of her home recently. She attached this to her dispute with the county and not only did it not go to a court hearing [its slam dunk you get money back if you include personal refuting assessor paperwork, hardly no ones does this]; they went back a few years and paid her back taxes overpaid too [they can go back up to 5 years]. She got a huge check from the county and a big smile on her face.

Ohhhh....ya think your home is worth less if you pay less property tax....now I&#039;m rolling on the ground laughing. You won&#039;t get a penny less or a penny more, no matter what those county assessors overcharge you.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;50514&#039;,&#039;softwarengineer&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;50514&#039;,&#039;softwarengineer&#039;,&#039;TAX ASSESSMENTS\r\n\r\nMy friend\&#039;s mom didn\&#039;t like her assessment for taxes either. Apparently, she just hired her own assessor and he\/she determined per square footage and lot size comparable sales with about a mile of her home recently. She attached this to her dispute with the county and not only did it not go to a court hearing &#91;its slam dunk you get money back if you include personal refuting assessor paperwork, hardly no ones does this&#93;; they went back a few years and paid her back taxes overpaid too &#91;they can go back up to 5 years&#93;. She got a huge check from the county and a big smile on her face.\r\n\r\nOhhhh....ya think your home is worth less if you pay less property tax....now I\&#039;m rolling on the ground laughing. You won\&#039;t get a penny less or a penny more, no matter what those county assessors overcharge you.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TAX ASSESSMENTS</p>
<p>My friend&#8217;s mom didn&#8217;t like her assessment for taxes either. Apparently, she just hired her own assessor and he/she determined per square footage and lot size comparable sales with about a mile of her home recently. She attached this to her dispute with the county and not only did it not go to a court hearing [its slam dunk you get money back if you include personal refuting assessor paperwork, hardly no ones does this]; they went back a few years and paid her back taxes overpaid too [they can go back up to 5 years]. She got a huge check from the county and a big smile on her face.</p>
<p>Ohhhh&#8230;.ya think your home is worth less if you pay less property tax&#8230;.now I&#8217;m rolling on the ground laughing. You won&#8217;t get a penny less or a penny more, no matter what those county assessors overcharge you.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('50514','softwarengineer',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('50514','softwarengineer','TAX ASSESSMENTS\r\n\r\nMy friend\'s mom didn\'t like her assessment for taxes either. Apparently, she just hired her own assessor and he\/she determined per square footage and lot size comparable sales with about a mile of her home recently. She attached this to her dispute with the county and not only did it not go to a court hearing &amp;#91;its slam dunk you get money back if you include personal refuting assessor paperwork, hardly no ones does this&amp;#93;; they went back a few years and paid her back taxes overpaid too &amp;#91;they can go back up to 5 years&amp;#93;. She got a huge check from the county and a big smile on her face.\r\n\r\nOhhhh....ya think your home is worth less if you pay less property tax....now I\'m rolling on the ground laughing. You won\'t get a penny less or a penny more, no matter what those county assessors overcharge you.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: softwarengineer</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/06/20/link-roundup-taxes-fraud-layoffs-oh-my/#comment-50513</link>
		<dc:creator>softwarengineer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I DID SOME WINE TASTING WITH AN ACCOUNTANT FOR A LOCAL BUILDER WEDNESDAY

Evidently, the wine was the truth serum.

She told me business is totally slacking off, as prices are down about 15%, material costs are way down [no buyers for building materials out there] and agreed with me; its far worse right now than the 1990 Housing Bubble ever was.

The wine tasting went well too, I found a new red wine that&#039;s very tasty, although the $50 a bottle stuff was the best......I went with the $11 a bottle, very close in quality for about 1/5th the price. Sounds like comparing cheaper Midwest homes to Seattle homes....lol&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;50513&#039;,&#039;softwarengineer&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;50513&#039;,&#039;softwarengineer&#039;,&#039;I DID SOME WINE TASTING WITH AN ACCOUNTANT FOR A LOCAL BUILDER WEDNESDAY\r\n\r\nEvidently, the wine was the truth serum.\r\n\r\nShe told me business is totally slacking off, as prices are down about 15%, material costs are way down &#91;no buyers for building materials out there&#93; and agreed with me; its far worse right now than the 1990 Housing Bubble ever was.\r\n\r\nThe wine tasting went well too, I found a new red wine that\&#039;s very tasty, although the $50 a bottle stuff was the best......I went with the $11 a bottle, very close in quality for about 1\/5th the price. Sounds like comparing cheaper Midwest homes to Seattle homes....lol&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I DID SOME WINE TASTING WITH AN ACCOUNTANT FOR A LOCAL BUILDER WEDNESDAY</p>
<p>Evidently, the wine was the truth serum.</p>
<p>She told me business is totally slacking off, as prices are down about 15%, material costs are way down [no buyers for building materials out there] and agreed with me; its far worse right now than the 1990 Housing Bubble ever was.</p>
<p>The wine tasting went well too, I found a new red wine that&#8217;s very tasty, although the $50 a bottle stuff was the best&#8230;&#8230;I went with the $11 a bottle, very close in quality for about 1/5th the price. Sounds like comparing cheaper Midwest homes to Seattle homes&#8230;.lol
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('50513','softwarengineer',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('50513','softwarengineer','I DID SOME WINE TASTING WITH AN ACCOUNTANT FOR A LOCAL BUILDER WEDNESDAY\r\n\r\nEvidently, the wine was the truth serum.\r\n\r\nShe told me business is totally slacking off, as prices are down about 15%, material costs are way down &amp;#91;no buyers for building materials out there&amp;#93; and agreed with me; its far worse right now than the 1990 Housing Bubble ever was.\r\n\r\nThe wine tasting went well too, I found a new red wine that\'s very tasty, although the $50 a bottle stuff was the best......I went with the $11 a bottle, very close in quality for about 1\/5th the price. Sounds like comparing cheaper Midwest homes to Seattle homes....lol',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: rose-colored-coolaid</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/06/20/link-roundup-taxes-fraud-layoffs-oh-my/#comment-50512</link>
		<dc:creator>rose-colored-coolaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>vboring, that cannot be correct.  If warm weather were the key, why hire sign wavers?  Why offer plasma TVs and automobiles with a purchase?  Shoot, why the heck did Seattle prices bubble at all if nice weather is what gets sales?&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;50512&#039;,&#039;rose-colored-coolaid&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;50512&#039;,&#039;rose-colored-coolaid&#039;,&#039;vboring, that cannot be correct.  If warm weather were the key, why hire sign wavers?  Why offer plasma TVs and automobiles with a purchase?  Shoot, why the heck did Seattle prices bubble at all if nice weather is what gets sales?&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vboring, that cannot be correct.  If warm weather were the key, why hire sign wavers?  Why offer plasma TVs and automobiles with a purchase?  Shoot, why the heck did Seattle prices bubble at all if nice weather is what gets sales?
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('50512','rose-colored-coolaid',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('50512','rose-colored-coolaid','vboring, that cannot be correct.  If warm weather were the key, why hire sign wavers?  Why offer plasma TVs and automobiles with a purchase?  Shoot, why the heck did Seattle prices bubble at all if nice weather is what gets sales?',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: vboring</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/06/20/link-roundup-taxes-fraud-layoffs-oh-my/#comment-50511</link>
		<dc:creator>vboring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OTOH,

it is now sunny and warm, therefore the RE markets are gonna get hot.

nothing convinces people to make major poor financial decisions quite like pleasant weather.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;50511&#039;,&#039;vboring&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;50511&#039;,&#039;vboring&#039;,&#039;OTOH,\r\n\r\nit is now sunny and warm, therefore the RE markets are gonna get hot.\r\n\r\nnothing convinces people to make major poor financial decisions quite like pleasant weather.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OTOH,</p>
<p>it is now sunny and warm, therefore the RE markets are gonna get hot.</p>
<p>nothing convinces people to make major poor financial decisions quite like pleasant weather.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('50511','vboring',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('50511','vboring','OTOH,\r\n\r\nit is now sunny and warm, therefore the RE markets are gonna get hot.\r\n\r\nnothing convinces people to make major poor financial decisions quite like pleasant weather.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Scotsman</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/06/20/link-roundup-taxes-fraud-layoffs-oh-my/#comment-50509</link>
		<dc:creator>Scotsman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Tim- all you need to wrap up that nice little collection of good news is an article saying that we&#039;ve finally hit bottom.  Then everyone can get back to talking about how quickly;y prices will go up .....!&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;50509&#039;,&#039;Scotsman&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;50509&#039;,&#039;Scotsman&#039;,&#039;Hey Tim- all you need to wrap up that nice little collection of good news is an article saying that we\&#039;ve finally hit bottom.  Then everyone can get back to talking about how quickly;y prices will go up .....!&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Tim- all you need to wrap up that nice little collection of good news is an article saying that we&#8217;ve finally hit bottom.  Then everyone can get back to talking about how quickly;y prices will go up &#8230;..!
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('50509','Scotsman',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('50509','Scotsman','Hey Tim- all you need to wrap up that nice little collection of good news is an article saying that we\'ve finally hit bottom.  Then everyone can get back to talking about how quickly;y prices will go up .....!',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: deejayoh</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/06/20/link-roundup-taxes-fraud-layoffs-oh-my/#comment-50508</link>
		<dc:creator>deejayoh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Word of the Day: â€œhomallucinations,  or the ability to convince oneself that while the price of everyone elseâ€™s home will fall, your neighborhood is clearly different.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll leave the usage examples to others&#8230;
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('50508','deejayoh',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('50508','deejayoh','Word of the Day: &acirc;€œhomallucinations,  or the ability to convince oneself that while the price of everyone else&acirc;€™s home will fall, your neighborhood is clearly different.\r\n\r\nI\'ll leave the usage examples to others...',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: rose-colored-coolaid</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/06/20/link-roundup-taxes-fraud-layoffs-oh-my/#comment-50507</link>
		<dc:creator>rose-colored-coolaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, is that what they&#039;ve been arguing all this time?  Not disagreeing with you, I&#039;m just impressed that anyone was able to pull a cogent thought out of their random mutterings.

About tax assessments: it&#039;s completely impossible that there might be a conflict of interest when assessments are made, right?  Because it&#039;s not like the same organization making the assessment can gain any value from a higher assessment...&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;50507&#039;,&#039;rose-colored-coolaid&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;50507&#039;,&#039;rose-colored-coolaid&#039;,&#039;Dave, is that what they\&#039;ve been arguing all this time?  Not disagreeing with you, I\&#039;m just impressed that anyone was able to pull a cogent thought out of their random mutterings.\r\n\r\nAbout tax assessments: it\&#039;s completely impossible that there might be a conflict of interest when assessments are made, right?  Because it\&#039;s not like the same organization making the assessment can gain any value from a higher assessment...&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, is that what they&#8217;ve been arguing all this time?  Not disagreeing with you, I&#8217;m just impressed that anyone was able to pull a cogent thought out of their random mutterings.</p>
<p>About tax assessments: it&#8217;s completely impossible that there might be a conflict of interest when assessments are made, right?  Because it&#8217;s not like the same organization making the assessment can gain any value from a higher assessment&#8230;
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('50507','rose-colored-coolaid',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('50507','rose-colored-coolaid','Dave, is that what they\'ve been arguing all this time?  Not disagreeing with you, I\'m just impressed that anyone was able to pull a cogent thought out of their random mutterings.\r\n\r\nAbout tax assessments: it\'s completely impossible that there might be a conflict of interest when assessments are made, right?  Because it\'s not like the same organization making the assessment can gain any value from a higher assessment...',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: David McManus</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/06/20/link-roundup-taxes-fraud-layoffs-oh-my/#comment-50506</link>
		<dc:creator>David McManus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Queue RAL or Nostrad-bag stating how this it&#039;s all the media&#039;s fault and this is all just hype.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;50506&#039;,&#039;David McManus&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;50506&#039;,&#039;David McManus&#039;,&#039;Queue RAL or Nostrad-bag stating how this it\&#039;s all the media\&#039;s fault and this is all just hype.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Queue RAL or Nostrad-bag stating how this it&#8217;s all the media&#8217;s fault and this is all just hype.
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		<title>By: obelus</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/06/20/link-roundup-taxes-fraud-layoffs-oh-my/#comment-50505</link>
		<dc:creator>obelus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What?!   I thought that everyone was moving into Seattle because All the jobs were here and that would keep RE going and going!  Well, let&#039;s calculate the loss to the Seattle economy from those lost 260 jobs:  Avg. salary in King County about $50K .  That times 260 is about $13,000,000 lost payroll.  Ouch.  and they have only just begun.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;50505&#039;,&#039;obelus&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;50505&#039;,&#039;obelus&#039;,&#039;What?!   I thought that everyone was moving into Seattle because All the jobs were here and that would keep RE going and going!  Well, let\&#039;s calculate the loss to the Seattle economy from those lost 260 jobs:  Avg. salary in King County about $50K .  That times 260 is about $13,000,000 lost payroll.  Ouch.  and they have only just begun.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What?!   I thought that everyone was moving into Seattle because All the jobs were here and that would keep RE going and going!  Well, let&#8217;s calculate the loss to the Seattle economy from those lost 260 jobs:  Avg. salary in King County about $50K .  That times 260 is about $13,000,000 lost payroll.  Ouch.  and they have only just begun.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('50505','obelus',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('50505','obelus','What?!   I thought that everyone was moving into Seattle because All the jobs were here and that would keep RE going and going!  Well, let\'s calculate the loss to the Seattle economy from those lost 260 jobs:  Avg. salary in King County about $50K .  That times 260 is about $13,000,000 lost payroll.  Ouch.  and they have only just begun.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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