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		<title>By: deejayoh</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/07/03/housing-bust-slowing-population-growth/#comment-51284</link>
		<dc:creator>deejayoh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 17:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonny - 
If there are 30,000 listings in King County, we have problems other than foreclosures!    I think the number is about half that, but your point still holds.  Half a percent is on the high end of the long run average for mortgages going bad, but nowhere near what other markets are seeing.  

That said, a year ago none of these would have made the MLS as distressed listings.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;51284&#039;,&#039;deejayoh&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;51284&#039;,&#039;deejayoh&#039;,&#039;Jonny - \r\nIf there are 30,000 listings in King County, we have problems other than foreclosures!    I think the number is about half that, but your point still holds.  Half a percent is on the high end of the long run average for mortgages going bad, but nowhere near what other markets are seeing.  \r\n\r\nThat said, a year ago none of these would have made the MLS as distressed listings.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonny &#8211;<br />
If there are 30,000 listings in King County, we have problems other than foreclosures!    I think the number is about half that, but your point still holds.  Half a percent is on the high end of the long run average for mortgages going bad, but nowhere near what other markets are seeing.  </p>
<p>That said, a year ago none of these would have made the MLS as distressed listings.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('51284','deejayoh',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('51284','deejayoh','Jonny - \r\nIf there are 30,000 listings in King County, we have problems other than foreclosures!    I think the number is about half that, but your point still holds.  Half a percent is on the high end of the long run average for mortgages going bad, but nowhere near what other markets are seeing.  \r\n\r\nThat said, a year ago none of these would have made the MLS as distressed listings.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Jonny</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/07/03/housing-bust-slowing-population-growth/#comment-51279</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 16:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Losh 

     &quot;There are 88 total for King County as Active, 79 as Pending and Sold.
     That is a lot. &quot;

Out of over 30,000 listings in King County, that isn&#039;t a lot...

Less than 3 tenths of one percent.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;51279&#039;,&#039;Jonny&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;51279&#039;,&#039;Jonny&#039;,&#039;David Losh \r\n\r\n     \&quot;There are 88 total for King County as Active, 79 as Pending and Sold.\r\n     That is a lot. \&quot;\r\n\r\nOut of over 30,000 listings in King County, that isn\&#039;t a lot...\r\n\r\nLess than 3 tenths of one percent.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Losh </p>
<p>     &#8220;There are 88 total for King County as Active, 79 as Pending and Sold.<br />
     That is a lot. &#8221;</p>
<p>Out of over 30,000 listings in King County, that isn&#8217;t a lot&#8230;</p>
<p>Less than 3 tenths of one percent.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('51279','Jonny',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('51279','Jonny','David Losh \r\n\r\n     \&quot;There are 88 total for King County as Active, 79 as Pending and Sold.\r\n     That is a lot. \&quot;\r\n\r\nOut of over 30,000 listings in King County, that isn\'t a lot...\r\n\r\nLess than 3 tenths of one percent.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Buceri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buceri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 16:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David -  I can testify that at the peak (2005) we were told that about 40,000 people a month were moving to Florida. By 2006, schools reported the number of new students, and the numbers were ridiculously low. Then it started to surface, that some people had their names on waiting lists in 10-20 condos under construction at the same time!!!! It was a pyramid scheme/flippers galore!!! Non of these states population grew as much as housing units did in those days.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;51277&#039;,&#039;Buceri&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;51277&#039;,&#039;Buceri&#039;,&#039;David -  I can testify that at the peak (2005) we were told that about 40,000 people a month were moving to Florida. By 2006, schools reported the number of new students, and the numbers were ridiculously low. Then it started to surface, that some people had their names on waiting lists in 10-20 condos under construction at the same time!!!! It was a pyramid scheme\/flippers galore!!! Non of these states population grew as much as housing units did in those days.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David &#8211;  I can testify that at the peak (2005) we were told that about 40,000 people a month were moving to Florida. By 2006, schools reported the number of new students, and the numbers were ridiculously low. Then it started to surface, that some people had their names on waiting lists in 10-20 condos under construction at the same time!!!! It was a pyramid scheme/flippers galore!!! Non of these states population grew as much as housing units did in those days.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('51277','Buceri',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('51277','Buceri','David -  I can testify that at the peak (2005) we were told that about 40,000 people a month were moving to Florida. By 2006, schools reported the number of new students, and the numbers were ridiculously low. Then it started to surface, that some people had their names on waiting lists in 10-20 condos under construction at the same time!!!! It was a pyramid scheme\/flippers galore!!! Non of these states population grew as much as housing units did in those days.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: deejayoh</title>
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		<dc:creator>deejayoh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 16:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Thanks, Dave. Interesting.

BTW, drove by your listing on the west side of QA. You gotta talk some sense into that seller.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Bili.  I thought the same thing when I saw that listing and noticed it was Mr. Losh&#039;s.

For those wondering about the listing, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.redfin.com/WA/Seattle/2717-11th-Ave-W-98119/home/129169&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here it is&lt;/a&gt;.  Perhaps the added exposure will help turn up a buyer.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;51276&#039;,&#039;deejayoh&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;51276&#039;,&#039;deejayoh&#039;,&#039;&lt;blockquote&gt;Thanks, Dave. Interesting.\r\n\r\nBTW, drove by your listing on the west side of QA. You gotta talk some sense into that seller.&lt;\/blockquote&gt;\r\n\r\nBili.  I thought the same thing when I saw that listing and noticed it was Mr. Losh\&#039;s.\r\n\r\nFor those wondering about the listing, &lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/www.redfin.com\/WA\/Seattle\/2717-11th-Ave-W-98119\/home\/129169\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;here it is&lt;\/a&gt;.  Perhaps the added exposure will help turn up a buyer.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Thanks, Dave. Interesting.</p>
<p>BTW, drove by your listing on the west side of QA. You gotta talk some sense into that seller.</p></blockquote>
<p>Bili.  I thought the same thing when I saw that listing and noticed it was Mr. Losh&#8217;s.</p>
<p>For those wondering about the listing, <a href="http://www.redfin.com/WA/Seattle/2717-11th-Ave-W-98119/home/129169" rel="nofollow">here it is</a>.  Perhaps the added exposure will help turn up a buyer.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('51276','deejayoh',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('51276','deejayoh','&lt;blockquote&gt;Thanks, Dave. Interesting.\r\n\r\nBTW, drove by your listing on the west side of QA. You gotta talk some sense into that seller.&lt;\/blockquote&gt;\r\n\r\nBili.  I thought the same thing when I saw that listing and noticed it was Mr. Losh\'s.\r\n\r\nFor those wondering about the listing, &lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/www.redfin.com\/WA\/Seattle\/2717-11th-Ave-W-98119\/home\/129169\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;here it is&lt;\/a&gt;.  Perhaps the added exposure will help turn up a buyer.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: biliruben</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/07/03/housing-bust-slowing-population-growth/#comment-51273</link>
		<dc:creator>biliruben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 15:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Dave.  Interesting.

BTW, drove by your listing on the west side of QA.  You gotta talk some sense into that seller.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;51273&#039;,&#039;biliruben&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;51273&#039;,&#039;biliruben&#039;,&#039;Thanks, Dave.  Interesting.\r\n\r\nBTW, drove by your listing on the west side of QA.  You gotta talk some sense into that seller.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Dave.  Interesting.</p>
<p>BTW, drove by your listing on the west side of QA.  You gotta talk some sense into that seller.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('51273','biliruben',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('51273','biliruben','Thanks, Dave.  Interesting.\r\n\r\nBTW, drove by your listing on the west side of QA.  You gotta talk some sense into that seller.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: david losh</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/07/03/housing-bust-slowing-population-growth/#comment-51270</link>
		<dc:creator>david losh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 15:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good Morning!
There are 88 total for King County as Active, 79 as Pending and Sold.
That is a lot. That also doesn&#039;t take into account those that will be short that haven&#039;t come to grips with thier situation. I have had three short sales in the past four months. I could have more but don&#039;t want them.
Many people are holding out for the market to turn around. It won&#039;t. There are two new Foreclosure services associated with Windermere on the East side. They are doing a brisk business. All in all selling for less than what&#039;s owed will continue to be a trend for the next two years.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;51270&#039;,&#039;david losh&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;51270&#039;,&#039;david losh&#039;,&#039;Good Morning!\r\nThere are 88 total for King County as Active, 79 as Pending and Sold.\r\nThat is a lot. That also doesn\&#039;t take into account those that will be short that haven\&#039;t come to grips with thier situation. I have had three short sales in the past four months. I could have more but don\&#039;t want them.\r\nMany people are holding out for the market to turn around. It won\&#039;t. There are two new Foreclosure services associated with Windermere on the East side. They are doing a brisk business. All in all selling for less than what\&#039;s owed will continue to be a trend for the next two years.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Morning!<br />
There are 88 total for King County as Active, 79 as Pending and Sold.<br />
That is a lot. That also doesn&#8217;t take into account those that will be short that haven&#8217;t come to grips with thier situation. I have had three short sales in the past four months. I could have more but don&#8217;t want them.<br />
Many people are holding out for the market to turn around. It won&#8217;t. There are two new Foreclosure services associated with Windermere on the East side. They are doing a brisk business. All in all selling for less than what&#8217;s owed will continue to be a trend for the next two years.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('51270','david losh',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('51270','david losh','Good Morning!\r\nThere are 88 total for King County as Active, 79 as Pending and Sold.\r\nThat is a lot. That also doesn\'t take into account those that will be short that haven\'t come to grips with thier situation. I have had three short sales in the past four months. I could have more but don\'t want them.\r\nMany people are holding out for the market to turn around. It won\'t. There are two new Foreclosure services associated with Windermere on the East side. They are doing a brisk business. All in all selling for less than what\'s owed will continue to be a trend for the next two years.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Jonny</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/07/03/housing-bust-slowing-population-growth/#comment-51265</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did a search on the MLS and found 44 listings in King County Priced between $500k and $1,000K with the key word “short.” Of those 44, six were mentioning “subject to short plat recording.” </p>
<p>Not very many short sales listed in comparison as to how everyone is talking on this site.</p>
<p>Can another agent verify my findings?
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('51265','Jonny',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('51265','Jonny','I did a search on the MLS and found 44 listings in King County Priced between $500k and $1,000K with the key word &acirc;short.&acirc; Of those 44, six were mentioning &acirc;subject to short plat recording.&acirc; \r\n\r\nNot very many short sales listed in comparison as to how everyone is talking on this site.\r\n\r\nCan another agent verify my findings?',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Runs With Scissors</title>
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		<dc:creator>Runs With Scissors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 12:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will the last person who leaves King County please turn off the lights?&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;51238&#039;,&#039;Runs With Scissors&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;51238&#039;,&#039;Runs With Scissors&#039;,&#039;Will the last person who leaves King County please turn off the lights?&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will the last person who leaves King County please turn off the lights?
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('51238','Runs With Scissors',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('51238','Runs With Scissors','Will the last person who leaves King County please turn off the lights?',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: david losh</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/07/03/housing-bust-slowing-population-growth/#comment-51212</link>
		<dc:creator>david losh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These statistics have always been suspect to me. Drivers license data should have a lag time to it. I hate the DMV. I hate waiting in line, holding a number, looking in the box, getting a crappy picture, so why would anyone else jump in to get that new license? It&#039;s scketchy data. 
I would like to know why it seems that the contraction of population is so real. Sniglet has made another point that has me curious about what happened to all of those expanding market places we had just a couple of years ago. 
People were moving to Florida, Nevada, San Diego, Seattle, Dettroit, and Boston. Now, all of a sudden we have this huge glut of housing units, everywhere.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;51212&#039;,&#039;david losh&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;51212&#039;,&#039;david losh&#039;,&#039;These statistics have always been suspect to me. Drivers license data should have a lag time to it. I hate the DMV. I hate waiting in line, holding a number, looking in the box, getting a crappy picture, so why would anyone else jump in to get that new license? It\&#039;s scketchy data. \r\nI would like to know why it seems that the contraction of population is so real. Sniglet has made another point that has me curious about what happened to all of those expanding market places we had just a couple of years ago. \r\nPeople were moving to Florida, Nevada, San Diego, Seattle, Dettroit, and Boston. Now, all of a sudden we have this huge glut of housing units, everywhere.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These statistics have always been suspect to me. Drivers license data should have a lag time to it. I hate the DMV. I hate waiting in line, holding a number, looking in the box, getting a crappy picture, so why would anyone else jump in to get that new license? It&#8217;s scketchy data.<br />
I would like to know why it seems that the contraction of population is so real. Sniglet has made another point that has me curious about what happened to all of those expanding market places we had just a couple of years ago.<br />
People were moving to Florida, Nevada, San Diego, Seattle, Dettroit, and Boston. Now, all of a sudden we have this huge glut of housing units, everywhere.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('51212','david losh',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('51212','david losh','These statistics have always been suspect to me. Drivers license data should have a lag time to it. I hate the DMV. I hate waiting in line, holding a number, looking in the box, getting a crappy picture, so why would anyone else jump in to get that new license? It\'s scketchy data. \r\nI would like to know why it seems that the contraction of population is so real. Sniglet has made another point that has me curious about what happened to all of those expanding market places we had just a couple of years ago. \r\nPeople were moving to Florida, Nevada, San Diego, Seattle, Dettroit, and Boston. Now, all of a sudden we have this huge glut of housing units, everywhere.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too live in Bellingham and just drove down S. Garden st. and was struck by how many for sale signs I saw and the large number of them boasting a new price.   We are looking for a place but I think we will not consider anything until next year.   There really is no compelling reason to buy right now.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;51211&#039;,&#039;Tim&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;51211&#039;,&#039;Tim&#039;,&#039;I too live in Bellingham and just drove down S. Garden st. and was struck by how many for sale signs I saw and the large number of them boasting a new price.   We are looking for a place but I think we will not consider anything until next year.   There really is no compelling reason to buy right now.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too live in Bellingham and just drove down S. Garden st. and was struck by how many for sale signs I saw and the large number of them boasting a new price.   We are looking for a place but I think we will not consider anything until next year.   There really is no compelling reason to buy right now.
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		<title>By: Bellingham REnter</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/07/03/housing-bust-slowing-population-growth/#comment-51203</link>
		<dc:creator>Bellingham REnter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bellingham is in a quagmire.  </p>
<p>&#8220;We don’t anticipate a collapse or the steep price declines that are being forecast for other areas of the country,” Johnson said.    YEAH RIGHT</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bellinghamherald.com/business/story/458651.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bellinghamherald.com/business/story/458651.html</a>
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('51203','Bellingham REnter',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('51203','Bellingham REnter','Bellingham is in a quagmire.  \r\n\r\n\&quot;We don&acirc;t anticipate a collapse or the steep price declines that are being forecast for other areas of the country,&acirc; Johnson said.    YEAH RIGHT\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.bellinghamherald.com\/business\/story\/458651.html',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: B&#38;W Nikes</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/07/03/housing-bust-slowing-population-growth/#comment-51197</link>
		<dc:creator>B&#38;W Nikes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 06:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If my muddled brain remembers right, in the early 90s in LA the outflow of residents was increasing faster than the inflow. I think the sunnier beauty spots in America are just more volatile in general - most of them are boomtowns of one kind or another. Being a boomtown herself, Seattle is not an exception, but the swings are generally more shallow in recent memory.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;51197&#039;,&#039;B&amp;W Nikes&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;51197&#039;,&#039;B&amp;W Nikes&#039;,&#039;If my muddled brain remembers right, in the early 90s in LA the outflow of residents was increasing faster than the inflow. I think the sunnier beauty spots in America are just more volatile in general - most of them are boomtowns of one kind or another. Being a boomtown herself, Seattle is not an exception, but the swings are generally more shallow in recent memory.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If my muddled brain remembers right, in the early 90s in LA the outflow of residents was increasing faster than the inflow. I think the sunnier beauty spots in America are just more volatile in general &#8211; most of them are boomtowns of one kind or another. Being a boomtown herself, Seattle is not an exception, but the swings are generally more shallow in recent memory.
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		<title>By: Yaoyao</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/07/03/housing-bust-slowing-population-growth/#comment-51193</link>
		<dc:creator>Yaoyao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 02:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another thing.  When I was single, raining all winter was ok, since most of the time i was indoors working my b**** off.   But these days, I have to work all day and come home to hear my wife bitching about the wet playground and lack of cheap indoor play space.    Now I start to miss Santa Barbara and Bay Area.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;51193&#039;,&#039;Yaoyao&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;51193&#039;,&#039;Yaoyao&#039;,&#039;Another thing.  When I was single, raining all winter was ok, since most of the time i was indoors working my b**** off.   But these days, I have to work all day and come home to hear my wife bitching about the wet playground and lack of cheap indoor play space.    Now I start to miss Santa Barbara and Bay Area.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thing.  When I was single, raining all winter was ok, since most of the time i was indoors working my b**** off.   But these days, I have to work all day and come home to hear my wife &quot;female dogging&quot; about the wet playground and lack of cheap indoor play space.    Now I start to miss Santa Barbara and Bay Area.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('51193','Yaoyao',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('51193','Yaoyao','Another thing.  When I was single, raining all winter was ok, since most of the time i was indoors working my b**** off.   But these days, I have to work all day and come home to hear my wife &quot;female dogging&quot; about the wet playground and lack of cheap indoor play space.    Now I start to miss Santa Barbara and Bay Area.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Buceri</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/07/03/housing-bust-slowing-population-growth/#comment-51191</link>
		<dc:creator>Buceri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 01:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mac - the Bay Area, Laguna Beach and San Diego?? Wow, sure a move back to Seattle would be a step back. And I agree that, home prices being the same, I can&#039;t see the logic of leaving California for WA. But some 250 million Americans live in places that are sh..holes. I&#039;ve been lucky and have traveled around the country. Most (NOT ALL) of those red states...yikes!!! A move to Baghdad would be an improvement. 

And I have not met anyone here in Florida that has visited Seattle that does not ask: &quot;what ? you lived there? What the heck are you doing here???&quot;&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;51191&#039;,&#039;Buceri&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;51191&#039;,&#039;Buceri&#039;,&#039;Mac - the Bay Area, Laguna Beach and San Diego?? Wow, sure a move back to Seattle would be a step back. And I agree that, home prices being the same, I can\&#039;t see the logic of leaving California for WA. But some 250 million Americans live in places that are sh..holes. I\&#039;ve been lucky and have traveled around the country. Most (NOT ALL) of those red states...yikes!!! A move to Baghdad would be an improvement. \r\n\r\nAnd I have not met anyone here in Florida that has visited Seattle that does not ask: \&quot;what ? you lived there? What the heck are you doing here???\&quot;&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mac &#8211; the Bay Area, Laguna Beach and San Diego?? Wow, sure a move back to Seattle would be a step back. And I agree that, home prices being the same, I can&#8217;t see the logic of leaving California for WA. But some 250 million Americans live in places that are sh..holes. I&#8217;ve been lucky and have traveled around the country. Most (NOT ALL) of those red states&#8230;yikes!!! A move to Baghdad would be an improvement. </p>
<p>And I have not met anyone here in Florida that has visited Seattle that does not ask: &#8220;what ? you lived there? What the heck are you doing here???&#8221;
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('51191','Buceri',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('51191','Buceri','Mac - the Bay Area, Laguna Beach and San Diego?? Wow, sure a move back to Seattle would be a step back. And I agree that, home prices being the same, I can\'t see the logic of leaving California for WA. But some 250 million Americans live in places that are sh..holes. I\'ve been lucky and have traveled around the country. Most (NOT ALL) of those red states...yikes!!! A move to Baghdad would be an improvement. \r\n\r\nAnd I have not met anyone here in Florida that has visited Seattle that does not ask: \&quot;what ? you lived there? What the heck are you doing here???\&quot;',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: mikal</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/07/03/housing-bust-slowing-population-growth/#comment-51190</link>
		<dc:creator>mikal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 01:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a bunch of whiners. You would all find something to bitch about somewhere else. Moving doesn&#039;t make one&#039;s life any better.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;51190&#039;,&#039;mikal&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;51190&#039;,&#039;mikal&#039;,&#039;What a bunch of whiners. You would all find something to bitch about somewhere else. Moving doesn\&#039;t make one\&#039;s life any better.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a bunch of whiners. You would all find something to &quot;female dog&quot; about somewhere else. Moving doesn&#8217;t make one&#8217;s life any better.
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		<title>By: Scotsman</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/07/03/housing-bust-slowing-population-growth/#comment-51187</link>
		<dc:creator>Scotsman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 23:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, Mac, it&#039;s not quite Hell, but you can see it from here, usually  around the end of November.  The sun comes out just often enough to allow the continued delusion that this is always  paradise, when in reality that&#039;s only true two or three weeks a year.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;51187&#039;,&#039;Scotsman&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;51187&#039;,&#039;Scotsman&#039;,&#039;Ah, Mac, it\&#039;s not quite Hell, but you can see it from here, usually  around the end of November.  The sun comes out just often enough to allow the continued delusion that this is always  paradise, when in reality that\&#039;s only true two or three weeks a year.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, Mac, it&#8217;s not quite Hell, but you can see it from here, usually  around the end of November.  The sun comes out just often enough to allow the continued delusion that this is always  paradise, when in reality that&#8217;s only true two or three weeks a year.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('51187','Scotsman',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('51187','Scotsman','Ah, Mac, it\'s not quite Hell, but you can see it from here, usually  around the end of November.  The sun comes out just often enough to allow the continued delusion that this is always  paradise, when in reality that\'s only true two or three weeks a year.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: MacAttack</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/07/03/housing-bust-slowing-population-growth/#comment-51183</link>
		<dc:creator>MacAttack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 23:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jobs, Jobs, jobs…a move to Seattle is always a promotion. I have never heard anyone say: “crap, I got transfered to Seattle”. And as jobs go, no matter the weather, so goes the population. </p>
<p>Well, I am a Seattle native, as are my three sisters. I live in Portland and am the northernmost outpost of my family unit. They are all in the Bay Area, Laguna Beach, and San Diego, respectively, and none of them would consider a move to Seattle a promotion. They all would call it a move to hell. See, they like sunshine.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('51183','MacAttack',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('51183','MacAttack','Jobs, Jobs, jobs&acirc;&brvbar;a move to Seattle is always a promotion. I have never heard anyone say: &acirc;crap, I got transfered to Seattle&acirc;. And as jobs go, no matter the weather, so goes the population. \r\n\r\nWell, I am a Seattle native, as are my three sisters. I live in Portland and am the northernmost outpost of my family unit. They are all in the Bay Area, Laguna Beach, and San Diego, respectively, and none of them would consider a move to Seattle a promotion. They all would call it a move to hell. See, they like sunshine.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: deejayoh</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/07/03/housing-bust-slowing-population-growth/#comment-51180</link>
		<dc:creator>deejayoh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 22:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slowing immigration from other states is not a new phenomenon.  California and Oregon are the lions share for Washington, and that phenomenon peaked way back in mid-2006, and has been dropping ever since.  I saw this when tried to tie &lt;a href=&quot;http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2007/07/08/the-mythical-equity-locust/#more-923&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;migration patterns to home prices in a post last year.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;51180&#039;,&#039;deejayoh&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;51180&#039;,&#039;deejayoh&#039;,&#039;Slowing immigration from other states is not a new phenomenon.  California and Oregon are the lions share for Washington, and that phenomenon peaked way back in mid-2006, and has been dropping ever since.  I saw this when tried to tie &lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/2007\/07\/08\/the-mythical-equity-locust\/#more-923\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;migration patterns to home prices in a post last year.&lt;\/a&gt;&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slowing immigration from other states is not a new phenomenon.  California and Oregon are the lions share for Washington, and that phenomenon peaked way back in mid-2006, and has been dropping ever since.  I saw this when tried to tie <a href="http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2007/07/08/the-mythical-equity-locust/#more-923" rel="nofollow">migration patterns to home prices in a post last year.</a>
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('51180','deejayoh',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('51180','deejayoh','Slowing immigration from other states is not a new phenomenon.  California and Oregon are the lions share for Washington, and that phenomenon peaked way back in mid-2006, and has been dropping ever since.  I saw this when tried to tie &lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/2007\/07\/08\/the-mythical-equity-locust\/#more-923\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;migration patterns to home prices in a post last year.&lt;\/a&gt;',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Yaoyao</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/07/03/housing-bust-slowing-population-growth/#comment-51175</link>
		<dc:creator>Yaoyao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seattle is special.   But if Santa Barbara has jobs, or San francisco becomes more affordable, I&#039;d move to either of them.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;51175&#039;,&#039;Yaoyao&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;51175&#039;,&#039;Yaoyao&#039;,&#039;Seattle is special.   But if Santa Barbara has jobs, or San francisco becomes more affordable, I\&#039;d move to either of them.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seattle is special.   But if Santa Barbara has jobs, or San francisco becomes more affordable, I&#8217;d move to either of them.
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		<title>By: Civil Servant</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/07/03/housing-bust-slowing-population-growth/#comment-51174</link>
		<dc:creator>Civil Servant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RS @ 16 -- how are you measuring desirability if not by the fact that, uh, people have tended to desire to live in these places?  US Census puts Miami population growth at 6.2% from 2000 to 2006.  Those new residents seem to have rationalized your tax rates just fine.  Either I am missing your point or your argument could use some heft.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;51174&#039;,&#039;Civil Servant&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;51174&#039;,&#039;Civil Servant&#039;,&#039;RS @ 16 -- how are you measuring desirability if not by the fact that, uh, people have tended to desire to live in these places?  US Census puts Miami population growth at 6.2% from 2000 to 2006.  Those new residents seem to have rationalized your tax rates just fine.  Either I am missing your point or your argument could use some heft.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RS @ 16 &#8212; how are you measuring desirability if not by the fact that, uh, people have tended to desire to live in these places?  US Census puts Miami population growth at 6.2% from 2000 to 2006.  Those new residents seem to have rationalized your tax rates just fine.  Either I am missing your point or your argument could use some heft.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('51174','Civil Servant',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('51174','Civil Servant','RS @ 16 -- how are you measuring desirability if not by the fact that, uh, people have tended to desire to live in these places?  US Census puts Miami population growth at 6.2% from 2000 to 2006.  Those new residents seem to have rationalized your tax rates just fine.  Either I am missing your point or your argument could use some heft.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: b</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/07/03/housing-bust-slowing-population-growth/#comment-51170</link>
		<dc:creator>b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <a href="http://www.ofm.wa.gov/news/release/2008/080702.asp" rel="nofollow">report itself is more interesting</a> than the article (complete with graphs).</p>
<blockquote><p>Driver’s license data indicate that over time California contributes the largest share, from 40 percent to 50 percent, of the net movement into Washington from other states. The current 12-month license total of in-movers from California is 27,900 licenses. This compares to 38,000 in 2006 and a peak of about 40,000 licenses from California in the early 1990s.</p></blockquote>
<p>Considering the vast majority of population growth from within the US is from California, their cratering market and next few years of declines/stagnation will probably effect Seattle quite a bit. I am a silicon valley renter who is moving back to Seattle for a new job and the recruiter was incredibly relieved I did not own a home, she said they had a lot of people from the valley backing out of offers because they were unable to sell and move without losing a bundle.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('51170','b',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('51170','b','The &lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/www.ofm.wa.gov\/news\/release\/2008\/080702.asp\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;report itself is more interesting&lt;\/a&gt; than the article (complete with graphs).\r\n&lt;blockquote&gt;Driver&acirc;s license data indicate that over time California contributes the largest share, from 40 percent to 50 percent, of the net movement into Washington from other states. The current 12-month license total of in-movers from California is 27,900 licenses. This compares to 38,000 in 2006 and a peak of about 40,000 licenses from California in the early 1990s.&lt;\/blockquote&gt;\r\n\r\nConsidering the vast majority of population growth from within the US is from California, their cratering market and next few years of declines\/stagnation will probably effect Seattle quite a bit. I am a silicon valley renter who is moving back to Seattle for a new job and the recruiter was incredibly relieved I did not own a home, she said they had a lot of people from the valley backing out of offers because they were unable to sell and move without losing a bundle.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Buceri</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/07/03/housing-bust-slowing-population-growth/#comment-51169</link>
		<dc:creator>Buceri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Civil; I agree. Compared with the cities you listed, Seattle is not matched if the &quot;Northwest lifestyle&quot; is not your cup of tea. And housing costs will always play a role.

I worked with many Texans that sold their ranches and moved to Seattle to work in my former company (back in the 90s). They spent all their time bitching about not being able to afford anything in Seattle. Don&#039;t worry; I was told that by the early 2000s, they were all back in Texas.

In conclusion, a recession will affect Seattle&#039;s population more than other cities. Most growth has been job related. 9 months without sun PLUS struggling to make the mortgage payment ....people will go back to where they came from.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;51169&#039;,&#039;Buceri&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;51169&#039;,&#039;Buceri&#039;,&#039;Civil; I agree. Compared with the cities you listed, Seattle is not matched if the \&quot;Northwest lifestyle\&quot; is not your cup of tea. And housing costs will always play a role.\r\n\r\nI worked with many Texans that sold their ranches and moved to Seattle to work in my former company (back in the 90s). They spent all their time bitching about not being able to afford anything in Seattle. Don\&#039;t worry; I was told that by the early 2000s, they were all back in Texas.\r\n\r\nIn conclusion, a recession will affect Seattle\&#039;s population more than other cities. Most growth has been job related. 9 months without sun PLUS struggling to make the mortgage payment ....people will go back to where they came from.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Civil; I agree. Compared with the cities you listed, Seattle is not matched if the &#8220;Northwest lifestyle&#8221; is not your cup of tea. And housing costs will always play a role.</p>
<p>I worked with many Texans that sold their ranches and moved to Seattle to work in my former company (back in the 90s). They spent all their time &quot;female dogging&quot; about not being able to afford anything in Seattle. Don&#8217;t worry; I was told that by the early 2000s, they were all back in Texas.</p>
<p>In conclusion, a recession will affect Seattle&#8217;s population more than other cities. Most growth has been job related. 9 months without sun PLUS struggling to make the mortgage payment &#8230;.people will go back to where they came from.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('51169','Buceri',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('51169','Buceri','Civil; I agree. Compared with the cities you listed, Seattle is not matched if the \&quot;Northwest lifestyle\&quot; is not your cup of tea. And housing costs will always play a role.\r\n\r\nI worked with many Texans that sold their ranches and moved to Seattle to work in my former company (back in the 90s). They spent all their time &quot;female dogging&quot; about not being able to afford anything in Seattle. Don\'t worry; I was told that by the early 2000s, they were all back in Texas.\r\n\r\nIn conclusion, a recession will affect Seattle\'s population more than other cities. Most growth has been job related. 9 months without sun PLUS struggling to make the mortgage payment ....people will go back to where they came from.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Riley Smith &#124; Coconut Grove Realtor</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/07/03/housing-bust-slowing-population-growth/#comment-51168</link>
		<dc:creator>Riley Smith &#124; Coconut Grove Realtor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with the fact that people choose to live in desireable locations such as California and Florida.  I am a realtor in Miami, Florida, and people are shying away from here because of the extremely high property taxes.  And I know that the taxes are just as high in California.  So I would not say that prices are necessarily &quot;more affordable&quot; here.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;51168&#039;,&#039;Riley Smith &#124; Coconut Grove Realtor&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;51168&#039;,&#039;Riley Smith &#124; Coconut Grove Realtor&#039;,&#039;I disagree with the fact that people choose to live in desireable locations such as California and Florida.  I am a realtor in Miami, Florida, and people are shying away from here because of the extremely high property taxes.  And I know that the taxes are just as high in California.  So I would not say that prices are necessarily \&quot;more affordable\&quot; here.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with the fact that people choose to live in desireable locations such as California and Florida.  I am a realtor in Miami, Florida, and people are shying away from here because of the extremely high property taxes.  And I know that the taxes are just as high in California.  So I would not say that prices are necessarily &#8220;more affordable&#8221; here.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('51168','Riley Smith | Coconut Grove Realtor',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('51168','Riley Smith | Coconut Grove Realtor','I disagree with the fact that people choose to live in desireable locations such as California and Florida.  I am a realtor in Miami, Florida, and people are shying away from here because of the extremely high property taxes.  And I know that the taxes are just as high in California.  So I would not say that prices are necessarily \&quot;more affordable\&quot; here.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: MisterBubble</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/07/03/housing-bust-slowing-population-growth/#comment-51167</link>
		<dc:creator>MisterBubble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Civil Servant for the win...

In both the biotech and software industries, Seattle is a second- or third-rate player.  Unless you&#039;re brand new, your career will benefit from moving to the bay area (for both software and biotech) or San Diego (for biotech).  There&#039;s simply no comparison.

Once again, the delusional, &quot;Seattle is special&quot; locals overestimate their worth in the free market....&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;51167&#039;,&#039;MisterBubble&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;51167&#039;,&#039;MisterBubble&#039;,&#039;Civil Servant for the win...\r\n\r\nIn both the biotech and software industries, Seattle is a second- or third-rate player.  Unless you\&#039;re brand new, your career will benefit from moving to the bay area (for both software and biotech) or San Diego (for biotech).  There\&#039;s simply no comparison.\r\n\r\nOnce again, the delusional, \&quot;Seattle is special\&quot; locals overestimate their worth in the free market....&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Civil Servant for the win&#8230;</p>
<p>In both the biotech and software industries, Seattle is a second- or third-rate player.  Unless you&#8217;re brand new, your career will benefit from moving to the bay area (for both software and biotech) or San Diego (for biotech).  There&#8217;s simply no comparison.</p>
<p>Once again, the delusional, &#8220;Seattle is special&#8221; locals overestimate their worth in the free market&#8230;.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('51167','MisterBubble',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('51167','MisterBubble','Civil Servant for the win...\r\n\r\nIn both the biotech and software industries, Seattle is a second- or third-rate player.  Unless you\'re brand new, your career will benefit from moving to the bay area (for both software and biotech) or San Diego (for biotech).  There\'s simply no comparison.\r\n\r\nOnce again, the delusional, \&quot;Seattle is special\&quot; locals overestimate their worth in the free market....',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Civil Servant</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/07/03/housing-bust-slowing-population-growth/#comment-51166</link>
		<dc:creator>Civil Servant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buceri: a move to Seattle may always be a promotion, but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s considered the brass ring.  In my grad program (back east), it was common for people to sew up job offers in Seattle or Portland and then keep looking for something in NYC, SF, LA, or even Chicago.  I knew a few people who opted for Chicago, and they all cited the allure of a large city combined with a low cost of living as factors in their decisions.  A friend of mine turned down Amazon -- even at a fairly senior level they weren&#039;t offering him enough to afford a mortgage and for his wife to stay home with the kids, priorities for them.  Maybe a few years ago when stock options were more of a gravy train they could have bagged him, but no more.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;51166&#039;,&#039;Civil Servant&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;51166&#039;,&#039;Civil Servant&#039;,&#039;Buceri: a move to Seattle may always be a promotion, but I don\&#039;t think it\&#039;s considered the brass ring.  In my grad program (back east), it was common for people to sew up job offers in Seattle or Portland and then keep looking for something in NYC, SF, LA, or even Chicago.  I knew a few people who opted for Chicago, and they all cited the allure of a large city combined with a low cost of living as factors in their decisions.  A friend of mine turned down Amazon -- even at a fairly senior level they weren\&#039;t offering him enough to afford a mortgage and for his wife to stay home with the kids, priorities for them.  Maybe a few years ago when stock options were more of a gravy train they could have bagged him, but no more.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buceri: a move to Seattle may always be a promotion, but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s considered the brass ring.  In my grad program (back east), it was common for people to sew up job offers in Seattle or Portland and then keep looking for something in NYC, SF, LA, or even Chicago.  I knew a few people who opted for Chicago, and they all cited the allure of a large city combined with a low cost of living as factors in their decisions.  A friend of mine turned down Amazon &#8212; even at a fairly senior level they weren&#8217;t offering him enough to afford a mortgage and for his wife to stay home with the kids, priorities for them.  Maybe a few years ago when stock options were more of a gravy train they could have bagged him, but no more.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('51166','Civil Servant',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('51166','Civil Servant','Buceri: a move to Seattle may always be a promotion, but I don\'t think it\'s considered the brass ring.  In my grad program (back east), it was common for people to sew up job offers in Seattle or Portland and then keep looking for something in NYC, SF, LA, or even Chicago.  I knew a few people who opted for Chicago, and they all cited the allure of a large city combined with a low cost of living as factors in their decisions.  A friend of mine turned down Amazon -- even at a fairly senior level they weren\'t offering him enough to afford a mortgage and for his wife to stay home with the kids, priorities for them.  Maybe a few years ago when stock options were more of a gravy train they could have bagged him, but no more.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: jon</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/07/03/housing-bust-slowing-population-growth/#comment-51165</link>
		<dc:creator>jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you like California taxes or Florida summers, go for it. Personally, I&#039;ll take clouds over smoke anyday, except July 4!&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;51165&#039;,&#039;jon&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;51165&#039;,&#039;jon&#039;,&#039;If you like California taxes or Florida summers, go for it. Personally, I\&#039;ll take clouds over smoke anyday, except July 4!&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you like California taxes or Florida summers, go for it. Personally, I&#8217;ll take clouds over smoke anyday, except July 4!
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		<title>By: Buceri</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/07/03/housing-bust-slowing-population-growth/#comment-51164</link>
		<dc:creator>Buceri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jobs, Jobs, jobs...a move to Seattle is always a promotion. I have never heard anyone say: &quot;crap, I got transfered to Seattle&quot;. And as jobs go, no matter the weather, so goes the population. 

And Seattle weather is not &quot;senior friendly&quot; (they wear jackets when temperatures drop to 78 here in Florida).&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;51164&#039;,&#039;Buceri&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;51164&#039;,&#039;Buceri&#039;,&#039;Jobs, Jobs, jobs...a move to Seattle is always a promotion. I have never heard anyone say: \&quot;crap, I got transfered to Seattle\&quot;. And as jobs go, no matter the weather, so goes the population. \r\n\r\nAnd Seattle weather is not \&quot;senior friendly\&quot; (they wear jackets when temperatures drop to 78 here in Florida).&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jobs, Jobs, jobs&#8230;a move to Seattle is always a promotion. I have never heard anyone say: &#8220;crap, I got transfered to Seattle&#8221;. And as jobs go, no matter the weather, so goes the population. </p>
<p>And Seattle weather is not &#8220;senior friendly&#8221; (they wear jackets when temperatures drop to 78 here in Florida).
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('51164','Buceri',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('51164','Buceri','Jobs, Jobs, jobs...a move to Seattle is always a promotion. I have never heard anyone say: \&quot;crap, I got transfered to Seattle\&quot;. And as jobs go, no matter the weather, so goes the population. \r\n\r\nAnd Seattle weather is not \&quot;senior friendly\&quot; (they wear jackets when temperatures drop to 78 here in Florida).',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: EconE</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/07/03/housing-bust-slowing-population-growth/#comment-51162</link>
		<dc:creator>EconE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only may people be moving to sunnier locales....some who may have considered moving here from those sunny states are deciding not to.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;51162&#039;,&#039;EconE&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;51162&#039;,&#039;EconE&#039;,&#039;Not only may people be moving to sunnier locales....some who may have considered moving here from those sunny states are deciding not to.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only may people be moving to sunnier locales&#8230;.some who may have considered moving here from those sunny states are deciding not to.
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		<title>By: Scotsman</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/07/03/housing-bust-slowing-population-growth/#comment-51160</link>
		<dc:creator>Scotsman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More sun, lower expenses?  Sounds like a winner to me!  Not that I don&#039;t love the prospect of another cloudy 4th of July.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;51160&#039;,&#039;Scotsman&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;51160&#039;,&#039;Scotsman&#039;,&#039;More sun, lower expenses?  Sounds like a winner to me!  Not that I don\&#039;t love the prospect of another cloudy 4th of July.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More sun, lower expenses?  Sounds like a winner to me!  Not that I don&#8217;t love the prospect of another cloudy 4th of July.
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		<title>By: vboring</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/07/03/housing-bust-slowing-population-growth/#comment-51158</link>
		<dc:creator>vboring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ softwarengineer,

it is an interesting situation, this increasing joblessness amongst teens thing, but i can&#039;t see a way to explain it as an overpopulation issue.

it seems to be more likely it is some combination of the following:
1) old folks didn&#039;t save enough to retire, instead relying on their house or social security, or just choosing to not think about it
2) social security benefits are based on the CPI, which consistently underestimates the costs of things, so the real value of social security benefits decrease every year
3) businesses don&#039;t want old people as full time employees because they increase the cost of health insurance too much, so they encourage them to retire or don&#039;t hire them
4) many old people don&#039;t have skill sets that are valued by the economy

because of these reasons, old people have to compete with young for part time jobs. since most of these jobs are in the retail industry, i doubt that illegal immigrants are really having much impact.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;51158&#039;,&#039;vboring&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;51158&#039;,&#039;vboring&#039;,&#039;@ softwarengineer,\r\n\r\nit is an interesting situation, this increasing joblessness amongst teens thing, but i can\&#039;t see a way to explain it as an overpopulation issue.\r\n\r\nit seems to be more likely it is some combination of the following:\r\n1) old folks didn\&#039;t save enough to retire, instead relying on their house or social security, or just choosing to not think about it\r\n2) social security benefits are based on the CPI, which consistently underestimates the costs of things, so the real value of social security benefits decrease every year\r\n3) businesses don\&#039;t want old people as full time employees because they increase the cost of health insurance too much, so they encourage them to retire or don\&#039;t hire them\r\n4) many old people don\&#039;t have skill sets that are valued by the economy\r\n\r\nbecause of these reasons, old people have to compete with young for part time jobs. since most of these jobs are in the retail industry, i doubt that illegal immigrants are really having much impact.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ softwarengineer,</p>
<p>it is an interesting situation, this increasing joblessness amongst teens thing, but i can&#8217;t see a way to explain it as an overpopulation issue.</p>
<p>it seems to be more likely it is some combination of the following:<br />
1) old folks didn&#8217;t save enough to retire, instead relying on their house or social security, or just choosing to not think about it<br />
2) social security benefits are based on the CPI, which consistently underestimates the costs of things, so the real value of social security benefits decrease every year<br />
3) businesses don&#8217;t want old people as full time employees because they increase the cost of health insurance too much, so they encourage them to retire or don&#8217;t hire them<br />
4) many old people don&#8217;t have skill sets that are valued by the economy</p>
<p>because of these reasons, old people have to compete with young for part time jobs. since most of these jobs are in the retail industry, i doubt that illegal immigrants are really having much impact.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('51158','vboring',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('51158','vboring','@ softwarengineer,\r\n\r\nit is an interesting situation, this increasing joblessness amongst teens thing, but i can\'t see a way to explain it as an overpopulation issue.\r\n\r\nit seems to be more likely it is some combination of the following:\r\n1) old folks didn\'t save enough to retire, instead relying on their house or social security, or just choosing to not think about it\r\n2) social security benefits are based on the CPI, which consistently underestimates the costs of things, so the real value of social security benefits decrease every year\r\n3) businesses don\'t want old people as full time employees because they increase the cost of health insurance too much, so they encourage them to retire or don\'t hire them\r\n4) many old people don\'t have skill sets that are valued by the economy\r\n\r\nbecause of these reasons, old people have to compete with young for part time jobs. since most of these jobs are in the retail industry, i doubt that illegal immigrants are really having much impact.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: softwarengineer</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/07/03/housing-bust-slowing-population-growth/#comment-51157</link>
		<dc:creator>softwarengineer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OUR KIDS CAN&#039;T FIND JOBS

US News &amp; World Report, 7/14/08 Issue, &quot;Occupying Idle Teen Hands&quot; by Bret Schulte reports our kids can&#039;t find jobs this summer. The reason is given, and the article states in part:

&quot;...The problem is partly due to the weakening of a federal summer summer jobs program but also to immigrants competing for low skilled jobs...&quot;

It also mentions our retirees going back to work too at these jobs, &#039;cause they can&#039;t afford to live in America&#039;s hyper inflation anymore.

Overpopulation in America is real and its not a joke either, especially if you&#039;re in today&#039;s job market.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;51157&#039;,&#039;softwarengineer&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;51157&#039;,&#039;softwarengineer&#039;,&#039;OUR KIDS CAN\&#039;T FIND JOBS\r\n\r\nUS News &amp; World Report, 7\/14\/08 Issue, \&quot;Occupying Idle Teen Hands\&quot; by Bret Schulte reports our kids can\&#039;t find jobs this summer. The reason is given, and the article states in part:\r\n\r\n\&quot;...The problem is partly due to the weakening of a federal summer summer jobs program but also to immigrants competing for low skilled jobs...\&quot;\r\n\r\nIt also mentions our retirees going back to work too at these jobs, \&#039;cause they can\&#039;t afford to live in America\&#039;s hyper inflation anymore.\r\n\r\nOverpopulation in America is real and its not a joke either, especially if you\&#039;re in today\&#039;s job market.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OUR KIDS CAN&#8217;T FIND JOBS</p>
<p>US News &amp; World Report, 7/14/08 Issue, &#8220;Occupying Idle Teen Hands&#8221; by Bret Schulte reports our kids can&#8217;t find jobs this summer. The reason is given, and the article states in part:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;The problem is partly due to the weakening of a federal summer summer jobs program but also to immigrants competing for low skilled jobs&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>It also mentions our retirees going back to work too at these jobs, &#8217;cause they can&#8217;t afford to live in America&#8217;s hyper inflation anymore.</p>
<p>Overpopulation in America is real and its not a joke either, especially if you&#8217;re in today&#8217;s job market.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('51157','softwarengineer',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('51157','softwarengineer','OUR KIDS CAN\'T FIND JOBS\r\n\r\nUS News &amp;amp; World Report, 7\/14\/08 Issue, \&quot;Occupying Idle Teen Hands\&quot; by Bret Schulte reports our kids can\'t find jobs this summer. The reason is given, and the article states in part:\r\n\r\n\&quot;...The problem is partly due to the weakening of a federal summer summer jobs program but also to immigrants competing for low skilled jobs...\&quot;\r\n\r\nIt also mentions our retirees going back to work too at these jobs, \'cause they can\'t afford to live in America\'s hyper inflation anymore.\r\n\r\nOverpopulation in America is real and its not a joke either, especially if you\'re in today\'s job market.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Slumlord</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/07/03/housing-bust-slowing-population-growth/#comment-51156</link>
		<dc:creator>Slumlord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ira,

It is true that the Soylent Green factory is having trouble retaining staff.  What&#039;s weird is that people clock in at the beginning of their shift but they never clock out or show up for their shift the next day.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;51156&#039;,&#039;Slumlord&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;51156&#039;,&#039;Slumlord&#039;,&#039;Ira,\r\n\r\nIt is true that the Soylent Green factory is having trouble retaining staff.  What\&#039;s weird is that people clock in at the beginning of their shift but they never clock out or show up for their shift the next day.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ira,</p>
<p>It is true that the Soylent Green factory is having trouble retaining staff.  What&#8217;s weird is that people clock in at the beginning of their shift but they never clock out or show up for their shift the next day.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('51156','Slumlord',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('51156','Slumlord','Ira,\r\n\r\nIt is true that the Soylent Green factory is having trouble retaining staff.  What\'s weird is that people clock in at the beginning of their shift but they never clock out or show up for their shift the next day.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: jon</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/07/03/housing-bust-slowing-population-growth/#comment-51155</link>
		<dc:creator>jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Commercial rents continued to go up in Q2 in Seattle as well: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121505726814325883.html&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;51155&#039;,&#039;jon&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;51155&#039;,&#039;jon&#039;,&#039;Commercial rents continued to go up in Q2 in Seattle as well: http:\/\/online.wsj.com\/article\/SB121505726814325883.html&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Commercial rents continued to go up in Q2 in Seattle as well: <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121505726814325883.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121505726814325883.html</a>
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		<title>By: The Tim</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/07/03/housing-bust-slowing-population-growth/#comment-51154</link>
		<dc:creator>The Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sniglet, it should be noted that these latest figures for Washington State and the Seattle area still show population growth, just at a slowing rate.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;51154&#039;,&#039;The Tim&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;51154&#039;,&#039;The Tim&#039;,&#039;Sniglet, it should be noted that these latest figures for Washington State and the Seattle area still show population growth, just at a slowing rate.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sniglet, it should be noted that these latest figures for Washington State and the Seattle area still show population growth, just at a slowing rate.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('51154','The Tim',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('51154','The Tim','Sniglet, it should be noted that these latest figures for Washington State and the Seattle area still show population growth, just at a slowing rate.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: vboring</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/07/03/housing-bust-slowing-population-growth/#comment-51153</link>
		<dc:creator>vboring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the company i work for has had a hard time recruiting senior people because of the high cost of owning a house here for years.

folks from the midwest especially like the jobs and the higher pay, but just can&#039;t imagine paying so much for a house.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;51153&#039;,&#039;vboring&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;51153&#039;,&#039;vboring&#039;,&#039;the company i work for has had a hard time recruiting senior people because of the high cost of owning a house here for years.\r\n\r\nfolks from the midwest especially like the jobs and the higher pay, but just can\&#039;t imagine paying so much for a house.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the company i work for has had a hard time recruiting senior people because of the high cost of owning a house here for years.</p>
<p>folks from the midwest especially like the jobs and the higher pay, but just can&#8217;t imagine paying so much for a house.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('51153','vboring',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('51153','vboring','the company i work for has had a hard time recruiting senior people because of the high cost of owning a house here for years.\r\n\r\nfolks from the midwest especially like the jobs and the higher pay, but just can\'t imagine paying so much for a house.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Ira Sacharoff</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/07/03/housing-bust-slowing-population-growth/#comment-51152</link>
		<dc:creator>Ira Sacharoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Where has everyone gone?&quot;

Soylent Green.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;51152&#039;,&#039;Ira Sacharoff&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;51152&#039;,&#039;Ira Sacharoff&#039;,&#039;\&quot;Where has everyone gone?\&quot;\r\n\r\nSoylent Green.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Where has everyone gone?&#8221;</p>
<p>Soylent Green.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('51152','Ira Sacharoff',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('51152','Ira Sacharoff','\&quot;Where has everyone gone?\&quot;\r\n\r\nSoylent Green.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Sniglet</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/07/03/housing-bust-slowing-population-growth/#comment-51151</link>
		<dc:creator>Sniglet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sometimes wonder just how valid these population stastics really are? During the boom years it seems as if almost EVERY region of the US was growing. Florida was growing, Las Vegas was growing, Calfornia was growing, Minnesota was growing, and Washington was growing. Now, it seems as if the population is contracting everywhere.

Where has everyone gone? It&#039;s not as if we hear of people running to Detroit, Cleveland or Chicago.

I suppose that some of this population fluctation could result from foreign immigrants (legal or otherwise) returning to their home countries. But I wonder if there might be some flaw in the statistical gathering of population data? Maybe we over-estimate the number of people living in homes or something?&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;51151&#039;,&#039;Sniglet&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;51151&#039;,&#039;Sniglet&#039;,&#039;I sometimes wonder just how valid these population stastics really are? During the boom years it seems as if almost EVERY region of the US was growing. Florida was growing, Las Vegas was growing, Calfornia was growing, Minnesota was growing, and Washington was growing. Now, it seems as if the population is contracting everywhere.\r\n\r\nWhere has everyone gone? It\&#039;s not as if we hear of people running to Detroit, Cleveland or Chicago.\r\n\r\nI suppose that some of this population fluctation could result from foreign immigrants (legal or otherwise) returning to their home countries. But I wonder if there might be some flaw in the statistical gathering of population data? Maybe we over-estimate the number of people living in homes or something?&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sometimes wonder just how valid these population stastics really are? During the boom years it seems as if almost EVERY region of the US was growing. Florida was growing, Las Vegas was growing, Calfornia was growing, Minnesota was growing, and Washington was growing. Now, it seems as if the population is contracting everywhere.</p>
<p>Where has everyone gone? It&#8217;s not as if we hear of people running to Detroit, Cleveland or Chicago.</p>
<p>I suppose that some of this population fluctation could result from foreign immigrants (legal or otherwise) returning to their home countries. But I wonder if there might be some flaw in the statistical gathering of population data? Maybe we over-estimate the number of people living in homes or something?
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('51151','Sniglet',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('51151','Sniglet','I sometimes wonder just how valid these population stastics really are? During the boom years it seems as if almost EVERY region of the US was growing. Florida was growing, Las Vegas was growing, Calfornia was growing, Minnesota was growing, and Washington was growing. Now, it seems as if the population is contracting everywhere.\r\n\r\nWhere has everyone gone? It\'s not as if we hear of people running to Detroit, Cleveland or Chicago.\r\n\r\nI suppose that some of this population fluctation could result from foreign immigrants (legal or otherwise) returning to their home countries. But I wonder if there might be some flaw in the statistical gathering of population data? Maybe we over-estimate the number of people living in homes or something?',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Ira Sacharoff</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/07/03/housing-bust-slowing-population-growth/#comment-51150</link>
		<dc:creator>Ira Sacharoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think most people are going to move to where the jobs are, and pay less attention to home costs...But there are also going to be lots of retiring baby boomers who just won&#039;t be able to continue living in places like Seattle, and will seek places where their housing dollar goes a lot farther.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;51150&#039;,&#039;Ira Sacharoff&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;51150&#039;,&#039;Ira Sacharoff&#039;,&#039;I think most people are going to move to where the jobs are, and pay less attention to home costs...But there are also going to be lots of retiring baby boomers who just won\&#039;t be able to continue living in places like Seattle, and will seek places where their housing dollar goes a lot farther.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think most people are going to move to where the jobs are, and pay less attention to home costs&#8230;But there are also going to be lots of retiring baby boomers who just won&#8217;t be able to continue living in places like Seattle, and will seek places where their housing dollar goes a lot farther.
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