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		<title>By: cheapseats</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/12/09/puget-sound-counties-november-update/#comment-62378</link>
		<dc:creator>cheapseats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I renewed my rental today for a year. My rates were dropped this week after my initial letter that they would rise 6%. I asked about that and they said with the economy going down they thought it was the right thing to do...

Well that and the fairly large vacancy rate that is somewhat new to my area...&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;62378&#039;,&#039;cheapseats&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;62378&#039;,&#039;cheapseats&#039;,&#039;I renewed my rental today for a year. My rates were dropped this week after my initial letter that they would rise 6%. I asked about that and they said with the economy going down they thought it was the right thing to do...\r\n\r\nWell that and the fairly large vacancy rate that is somewhat new to my area...&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I renewed my rental today for a year. My rates were dropped this week after my initial letter that they would rise 6%. I asked about that and they said with the economy going down they thought it was the right thing to do&#8230;</p>
<p>Well that and the fairly large vacancy rate that is somewhat new to my area&#8230;
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('62378','cheapseats',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('62378','cheapseats','I renewed my rental today for a year. My rates were dropped this week after my initial letter that they would rise 6%. I asked about that and they said with the economy going down they thought it was the right thing to do...\r\n\r\nWell that and the fairly large vacancy rate that is somewhat new to my area...',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Civil Servant</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/12/09/puget-sound-counties-november-update/#comment-62371</link>
		<dc:creator>Civil Servant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deejayoh, any chance I could persuade you to put an inflation line on the rent graph at #15?  Or a line that shows these amounts with respect to median income?  Thanks for looking into this -- we&#039;re considering moving to a cheaper and/or nicer apartment, since rents and availability *seem* to have improved since summer 2007 (and we feel fine about committing to one more year spent out of the house market), but it will be great to get some data.

SemperFinance: best user name ever.  Hat tip to you, Sir/Ma&#039;am.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;62371&#039;,&#039;Civil Servant&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;62371&#039;,&#039;Civil Servant&#039;,&#039;Deejayoh, any chance I could persuade you to put an inflation line on the rent graph at #15?  Or a line that shows these amounts with respect to median income?  Thanks for looking into this -- we\&#039;re considering moving to a cheaper and\/or nicer apartment, since rents and availability *seem* to have improved since summer 2007 (and we feel fine about committing to one more year spent out of the house market), but it will be great to get some data.\r\n\r\nSemperFinance: best user name ever.  Hat tip to you, Sir\/Ma\&#039;am.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deejayoh, any chance I could persuade you to put an inflation line on the rent graph at #15?  Or a line that shows these amounts with respect to median income?  Thanks for looking into this &#8212; we&#8217;re considering moving to a cheaper and/or nicer apartment, since rents and availability *seem* to have improved since summer 2007 (and we feel fine about committing to one more year spent out of the house market), but it will be great to get some data.</p>
<p>SemperFinance: best user name ever.  Hat tip to you, Sir/Ma&#8217;am.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('62371','Civil Servant',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('62371','Civil Servant','Deejayoh, any chance I could persuade you to put an inflation line on the rent graph at #15?  Or a line that shows these amounts with respect to median income?  Thanks for looking into this -- we\'re considering moving to a cheaper and\/or nicer apartment, since rents and availability *seem* to have improved since summer 2007 (and we feel fine about committing to one more year spent out of the house market), but it will be great to get some data.\r\n\r\nSemperFinance: best user name ever.  Hat tip to you, Sir\/Ma\'am.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: deejayoh</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/12/09/puget-sound-counties-november-update/#comment-62370</link>
		<dc:creator>deejayoh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a comprehensive view of rent trends for all the indices I have been able to find, going back to 1980

http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/3628/renttrendsuk6.png

I&#039;ll have a post on this in the next week or so.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;62370&#039;,&#039;deejayoh&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;62370&#039;,&#039;deejayoh&#039;,&#039;Here is a comprehensive view of rent trends for all the indices I have been able to find, going back to 1980\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/img389.imageshack.us\/img389\/3628\/renttrendsuk6.png\r\n\r\nI\&#039;ll have a post on this in the next week or so.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a comprehensive view of rent trends for all the indices I have been able to find, going back to 1980</p>
<p><a href="http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/3628/renttrendsuk6.png" rel="nofollow">http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/3628/renttrendsuk6.png</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;ll have a post on this in the next week or so.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('62370','deejayoh',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('62370','deejayoh','Here is a comprehensive view of rent trends for all the indices I have been able to find, going back to 1980\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/img389.imageshack.us\/img389\/3628\/renttrendsuk6.png\r\n\r\nI\'ll have a post on this in the next week or so.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: gregxiu</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/12/09/puget-sound-counties-november-update/#comment-62368</link>
		<dc:creator>gregxiu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Listen to this. Cramer favors SEATTLE, and the Realtors Assoc. prez is wording things to fit Realtors agenda.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_WuwoDYPdQ&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;62368&#039;,&#039;gregxiu&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;62368&#039;,&#039;gregxiu&#039;,&#039;Listen to this. Cramer favors SEATTLE, and the Realtors Assoc. prez is wording things to fit Realtors agenda.\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=N_WuwoDYPdQ&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Listen to this. Cramer favors SEATTLE, and the Realtors Assoc. prez is wording things to fit Realtors agenda.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_WuwoDYPdQ" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_WuwoDYPdQ</a>
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('62368','gregxiu',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('62368','gregxiu','Listen to this. Cramer favors SEATTLE, and the Realtors Assoc. prez is wording things to fit Realtors agenda.\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=N_WuwoDYPdQ',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: jimmythev</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/12/09/puget-sound-counties-november-update/#comment-62367</link>
		<dc:creator>jimmythev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, on a side note... has anyone noticed the price of Rent going down? I&#039;ve been keeping my eye on Craigslist and I&#039;m noticing a LOT of &quot;Price Reduced&quot; and &quot;1 month Free rent&quot; ads. I have no statistical evidence, but it might be interesting to see if there is some available. If the cost to rent is going down (Probably due to people taking on roommates and condo&#039;s/houses converting to rentals), wouldn&#039;t that put more downward pressure on realestate prices...

Tim... do you know of anywhere to find stats on the average rental price? Is there anyway we could start graphing that?&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;62367&#039;,&#039;jimmythev&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;62367&#039;,&#039;jimmythev&#039;,&#039;So, on a side note... has anyone noticed the price of Rent going down? I\&#039;ve been keeping my eye on Craigslist and I\&#039;m noticing a LOT of \&quot;Price Reduced\&quot; and \&quot;1 month Free rent\&quot; ads. I have no statistical evidence, but it might be interesting to see if there is some available. If the cost to rent is going down (Probably due to people taking on roommates and condo\&#039;s\/houses converting to rentals), wouldn\&#039;t that put more downward pressure on realestate prices...\r\n\r\nTim... do you know of anywhere to find stats on the average rental price? Is there anyway we could start graphing that?&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, on a side note&#8230; has anyone noticed the price of Rent going down? I&#8217;ve been keeping my eye on Craigslist and I&#8217;m noticing a LOT of &#8220;Price Reduced&#8221; and &#8220;1 month Free rent&#8221; ads. I have no statistical evidence, but it might be interesting to see if there is some available. If the cost to rent is going down (Probably due to people taking on roommates and condo&#8217;s/houses converting to rentals), wouldn&#8217;t that put more downward pressure on realestate prices&#8230;</p>
<p>Tim&#8230; do you know of anywhere to find stats on the average rental price? Is there anyway we could start graphing that?
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('62367','jimmythev',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('62367','jimmythev','So, on a side note... has anyone noticed the price of Rent going down? I\'ve been keeping my eye on Craigslist and I\'m noticing a LOT of \&quot;Price Reduced\&quot; and \&quot;1 month Free rent\&quot; ads. I have no statistical evidence, but it might be interesting to see if there is some available. If the cost to rent is going down (Probably due to people taking on roommates and condo\'s\/houses converting to rentals), wouldn\'t that put more downward pressure on realestate prices...\r\n\r\nTim... do you know of anywhere to find stats on the average rental price? Is there anyway we could start graphing that?',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Plymster</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/12/09/puget-sound-counties-november-update/#comment-62366</link>
		<dc:creator>Plymster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;and that they are more likely to reach year 200 price levels&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thank goodness that was a typo - I don&#039;t have any skins or arrowheads to trade for a house.  :-)&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;62366&#039;,&#039;Plymster&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;62366&#039;,&#039;Plymster&#039;,&#039;&lt;blockquote&gt;and that they are more likely to reach year 200 price levels&lt;\/blockquote&gt;\r\n\r\nThank goodness that was a typo - I don\&#039;t have any skins or arrowheads to trade for a house.  :-)&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>and that they are more likely to reach year 200 price levels</p></blockquote>
<p>Thank goodness that was a typo &#8211; I don&#8217;t have any skins or arrowheads to trade for a house.  :-)
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('62366','Plymster',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('62366','Plymster','&lt;blockquote&gt;and that they are more likely to reach year 200 price levels&lt;\/blockquote&gt;\r\n\r\nThank goodness that was a typo - I don\'t have any skins or arrowheads to trade for a house.  :-)',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: SemperFinance</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/12/09/puget-sound-counties-november-update/#comment-62365</link>
		<dc:creator>SemperFinance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>typo above to read, &quot;According to Oppenheimer Financial Analyst Meredith Whitney, who has been spot on with her economic forecasts, she expects to see another 20% decline in home prices as the economy continues to sink into a deeper recession and that they are more likely to reach year 2000 price levels.&quot;&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;62365&#039;,&#039;SemperFinance&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;62365&#039;,&#039;SemperFinance&#039;,&#039;typo above to read, \&quot;According to Oppenheimer Financial Analyst Meredith Whitney, who has been spot on with her economic forecasts, she expects to see another 20% decline in home prices as the economy continues to sink into a deeper recession and that they are more likely to reach year 2000 price levels.\&quot;&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>typo above to read, &#8220;According to Oppenheimer Financial Analyst Meredith Whitney, who has been spot on with her economic forecasts, she expects to see another 20% decline in home prices as the economy continues to sink into a deeper recession and that they are more likely to reach year 2000 price levels.&#8221;
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('62365','SemperFinance',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('62365','SemperFinance','typo above to read, \&quot;According to Oppenheimer Financial Analyst Meredith Whitney, who has been spot on with her economic forecasts, she expects to see another 20% decline in home prices as the economy continues to sink into a deeper recession and that they are more likely to reach year 2000 price levels.\&quot;',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: SemperFinance</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/12/09/puget-sound-counties-november-update/#comment-62364</link>
		<dc:creator>SemperFinance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to Oppenheimer Financial Analyst Meredith Whitney, who has been spot on with her economic forecasts, she expects to see another 20% decline in home prices as the economy continues to sink into a deeper recession and that they are more likely to reach year 200 price levels.  Seattle is obviously lagging the rest of the country in home price declines, however, that does not mean we won&#039;t see a further 20-30% price correction.  The existing homes that are sitting on the market are far overvalued in comparison with the rate of asset price deflation in the general economy.  Seattle does not have an economy that is immune to outside macroeconomic conditions, which should prove to be true in the next 6 months.  Major layoffs in the aerospace, biotech and the software industries would catapult the local home market into a deflationary rate congruent to those seen across the rest of the US economy.  Home buyers beware, you could end up underwater like so many others have...&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;62364&#039;,&#039;SemperFinance&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;62364&#039;,&#039;SemperFinance&#039;,&#039;According to Oppenheimer Financial Analyst Meredith Whitney, who has been spot on with her economic forecasts, she expects to see another 20% decline in home prices as the economy continues to sink into a deeper recession and that they are more likely to reach year 200 price levels.  Seattle is obviously lagging the rest of the country in home price declines, however, that does not mean we won\&#039;t see a further 20-30% price correction.  The existing homes that are sitting on the market are far overvalued in comparison with the rate of asset price deflation in the general economy.  Seattle does not have an economy that is immune to outside macroeconomic conditions, which should prove to be true in the next 6 months.  Major layoffs in the aerospace, biotech and the software industries would catapult the local home market into a deflationary rate congruent to those seen across the rest of the US economy.  Home buyers beware, you could end up underwater like so many others have...&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to Oppenheimer Financial Analyst Meredith Whitney, who has been spot on with her economic forecasts, she expects to see another 20% decline in home prices as the economy continues to sink into a deeper recession and that they are more likely to reach year 200 price levels.  Seattle is obviously lagging the rest of the country in home price declines, however, that does not mean we won&#8217;t see a further 20-30% price correction.  The existing homes that are sitting on the market are far overvalued in comparison with the rate of asset price deflation in the general economy.  Seattle does not have an economy that is immune to outside macroeconomic conditions, which should prove to be true in the next 6 months.  Major layoffs in the aerospace, biotech and the software industries would catapult the local home market into a deflationary rate congruent to those seen across the rest of the US economy.  Home buyers beware, you could end up underwater like so many others have&#8230;
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('62364','SemperFinance',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('62364','SemperFinance','According to Oppenheimer Financial Analyst Meredith Whitney, who has been spot on with her economic forecasts, she expects to see another 20% decline in home prices as the economy continues to sink into a deeper recession and that they are more likely to reach year 200 price levels.  Seattle is obviously lagging the rest of the country in home price declines, however, that does not mean we won\'t see a further 20-30% price correction.  The existing homes that are sitting on the market are far overvalued in comparison with the rate of asset price deflation in the general economy.  Seattle does not have an economy that is immune to outside macroeconomic conditions, which should prove to be true in the next 6 months.  Major layoffs in the aerospace, biotech and the software industries would catapult the local home market into a deflationary rate congruent to those seen across the rest of the US economy.  Home buyers beware, you could end up underwater like so many others have...',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Buceri</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/12/09/puget-sound-counties-november-update/#comment-62363</link>
		<dc:creator>Buceri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I Know is that Island has OBVIOUSLY bottomed out and is making a huuuuuuge come back; &quot;see the proof&quot;....OK, no links; just look at a couple of Tim&#039;s graphs.

All I gotta do now is to find &quot;Island&quot; on a map and make my move!!! Gems Ray, I am telling you, Gems!!!&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;62363&#039;,&#039;Buceri&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;62363&#039;,&#039;Buceri&#039;,&#039;All I Know is that Island has OBVIOUSLY bottomed out and is making a huuuuuuge come back; \&quot;see the proof\&quot;....OK, no links; just look at a couple of Tim\&#039;s graphs.\n\nAll I gotta do now is to find \&quot;Island\&quot; on a map and make my move!!! Gems Ray, I am telling you, Gems!!!&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I Know is that Island has OBVIOUSLY bottomed out and is making a huuuuuuge come back; &#8220;see the proof&#8221;&#8230;.OK, no links; just look at a couple of Tim&#8217;s graphs.</p>
<p>All I gotta do now is to find &#8220;Island&#8221; on a map and make my move!!! Gems Ray, I am telling you, Gems!!!
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('62363','Buceri',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('62363','Buceri','All I Know is that Island has OBVIOUSLY bottomed out and is making a huuuuuuge come back; \&quot;see the proof\&quot;....OK, no links; just look at a couple of Tim\'s graphs.\n\nAll I gotta do now is to find \&quot;Island\&quot; on a map and make my move!!! Gems Ray, I am telling you, Gems!!!',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Plymster</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/12/09/puget-sound-counties-november-update/#comment-62351</link>
		<dc:creator>Plymster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 07:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;harbord&lt;/b&gt; - regarding the average 6 percenter...

I hear ya.  For the past couple of days, I&#039;ve been looking at Aubrey Cohen&#039;s RE News blog on the Seattle PI, and they seem to have their heads stuck so far in the sand (or elsewhere), I can&#039;t even stand sifting through the willful ignorence of their comments.  

I doubt we&#039;ll be seeing many more average 6 percenters over the next few years, since 869 closed sales/month doesn&#039;t really sustain that much of an RE industry.

&lt;b&gt;Leo&lt;/b&gt; - regarding Tim&#039;s YOY sales discrepency:

In these stats: &lt;i&gt;King - Price: -9.2% &#124; Listings: +2.2% &#124; Sales: -21.2% &#124; MOS: 8.7&lt;/i&gt;, Tim is referring to Pending Sales (sales that are in the pipe and awaiting closing).   The -43% YOY Closed Sales is tracking those sales that acutally closed.

The Tim did a &lt;a href=&quot;http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/11/12/one-in-five-pending-sales-failed-to-close-in-q3/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;piece on the recent wide discrepency between the Pending Sales&lt;/a&gt; (which used to predict the next month&#039;s closed sales within a few percentage points, but is now getting further and further off).&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;62351&#039;,&#039;Plymster&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;62351&#039;,&#039;Plymster&#039;,&#039;&lt;b&gt;harbord&lt;\/b&gt; - regarding the average 6 percenter...\r\n\r\nI hear ya.  For the past couple of days, I\&#039;ve been looking at Aubrey Cohen\&#039;s RE News blog on the Seattle PI, and they seem to have their heads stuck so far in the sand (or elsewhere), I can\&#039;t even stand sifting through the willful ignorence of their comments.  \r\n\r\nI doubt we\&#039;ll be seeing many more average 6 percenters over the next few years, since 869 closed sales\/month doesn\&#039;t really sustain that much of an RE industry.\r\n\r\n&lt;b&gt;Leo&lt;\/b&gt; - regarding Tim\&#039;s YOY sales discrepency:\r\n\r\nIn these stats: &lt;i&gt;King - Price: -9.2% &#124; Listings: +2.2% &#124; Sales: -21.2% &#124; MOS: 8.7&lt;\/i&gt;, Tim is referring to Pending Sales (sales that are in the pipe and awaiting closing).   The -43% YOY Closed Sales is tracking those sales that acutally closed.\r\n\r\nThe Tim did a &lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/2008\/11\/12\/one-in-five-pending-sales-failed-to-close-in-q3\/\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;piece on the recent wide discrepency between the Pending Sales&lt;\/a&gt; (which used to predict the next month\&#039;s closed sales within a few percentage points, but is now getting further and further off).&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>harbord</b> &#8211; regarding the average 6 percenter&#8230;</p>
<p>I hear ya.  For the past couple of days, I&#8217;ve been looking at Aubrey Cohen&#8217;s RE News blog on the Seattle PI, and they seem to have their heads stuck so far in the sand (or elsewhere), I can&#8217;t even stand sifting through the willful ignorence of their comments.  </p>
<p>I doubt we&#8217;ll be seeing many more average 6 percenters over the next few years, since 869 closed sales/month doesn&#8217;t really sustain that much of an RE industry.</p>
<p><b>Leo</b> &#8211; regarding Tim&#8217;s YOY sales discrepency:</p>
<p>In these stats: <i>King &#8211; Price: -9.2% | Listings: +2.2% | Sales: -21.2% | MOS: 8.7</i>, Tim is referring to Pending Sales (sales that are in the pipe and awaiting closing).   The -43% YOY Closed Sales is tracking those sales that acutally closed.</p>
<p>The Tim did a <a href="http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/11/12/one-in-five-pending-sales-failed-to-close-in-q3/" rel="nofollow">piece on the recent wide discrepency between the Pending Sales</a> (which used to predict the next month&#8217;s closed sales within a few percentage points, but is now getting further and further off).
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('62351','Plymster',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('62351','Plymster','&lt;b&gt;harbord&lt;\/b&gt; - regarding the average 6 percenter...\r\n\r\nI hear ya.  For the past couple of days, I\'ve been looking at Aubrey Cohen\'s RE News blog on the Seattle PI, and they seem to have their heads stuck so far in the sand (or elsewhere), I can\'t even stand sifting through the willful ignorence of their comments.  \r\n\r\nI doubt we\'ll be seeing many more average 6 percenters over the next few years, since 869 closed sales\/month doesn\'t really sustain that much of an RE industry.\r\n\r\n&lt;b&gt;Leo&lt;\/b&gt; - regarding Tim\'s YOY sales discrepency:\r\n\r\nIn these stats: &lt;i&gt;King - Price: -9.2% | Listings: +2.2% | Sales: -21.2% | MOS: 8.7&lt;\/i&gt;, Tim is referring to Pending Sales (sales that are in the pipe and awaiting closing).   The -43% YOY Closed Sales is tracking those sales that acutally closed.\r\n\r\nThe Tim did a &lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/2008\/11\/12\/one-in-five-pending-sales-failed-to-close-in-q3\/\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;piece on the recent wide discrepency between the Pending Sales&lt;\/a&gt; (which used to predict the next month\'s closed sales within a few percentage points, but is now getting further and further off).',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: harbord</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/12/09/puget-sound-counties-november-update/#comment-62349</link>
		<dc:creator>harbord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As in any bear market, the anecdotal stats for individual periods are more prone to distort.  Because of anemic volume, it&#039;s more important to watch and graph the trends.   

Of course this type of statistical analysis is useless to your average 6 percenter.
Most of them have no clue.  They don&#039;t understand what happend, what&#039;s happening or what is going to happen.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;62349&#039;,&#039;harbord&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;62349&#039;,&#039;harbord&#039;,&#039;As in any bear market, the anecdotal stats for individual periods are more prone to distort.  Because of anemic volume, it\&#039;s more important to watch and graph the trends.   \r\n\r\nOf course this type of statistical analysis is useless to your average 6 percenter.\r\nMost of them have no clue.  They don\&#039;t understand what happend, what\&#039;s happening or what is going to happen.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As in any bear market, the anecdotal stats for individual periods are more prone to distort.  Because of anemic volume, it&#8217;s more important to watch and graph the trends.   </p>
<p>Of course this type of statistical analysis is useless to your average 6 percenter.<br />
Most of them have no clue.  They don&#8217;t understand what happend, what&#8217;s happening or what is going to happen.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('62349','harbord',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('62349','harbord','As in any bear market, the anecdotal stats for individual periods are more prone to distort.  Because of anemic volume, it\'s more important to watch and graph the trends.   \r\n\r\nOf course this type of statistical analysis is useless to your average 6 percenter.\r\nMost of them have no clue.  They don\'t understand what happend, what\'s happening or what is going to happen.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: johnnybigspenda</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/12/09/puget-sound-counties-november-update/#comment-62348</link>
		<dc:creator>johnnybigspenda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cool. i just thought it was cool that you were so far ahead of the curve on &#039;getting the real story&#039;... appreciate your efforts Tim&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;62348&#039;,&#039;johnnybigspenda&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;62348&#039;,&#039;johnnybigspenda&#039;,&#039;cool. i just thought it was cool that you were so far ahead of the curve on \&#039;getting the real story\&#039;... appreciate your efforts Tim&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cool. i just thought it was cool that you were so far ahead of the curve on &#8216;getting the real story&#8217;&#8230; appreciate your efforts Tim
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('62348','johnnybigspenda',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('62348','johnnybigspenda','cool. i just thought it was cool that you were so far ahead of the curve on \'getting the real story\'... appreciate your efforts Tim',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: deejayoh</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/12/09/puget-sound-counties-november-update/#comment-62347</link>
		<dc:creator>deejayoh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankly, it doesn&#039;t matter what index you use - they all tell pretty much the same story.  The Median price is a bit more volatile than other measures of home prices but the trend is very consistent and unmistakable across all major measures of housing price.  As softwareengineer would say: &quot;see the proof&quot; 
http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/9290/indicesph6.png&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;62347&#039;,&#039;deejayoh&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;62347&#039;,&#039;deejayoh&#039;,&#039;Frankly, it doesn\&#039;t matter what index you use - they all tell pretty much the same story.  The Median price is a bit more volatile than other measures of home prices but the trend is very consistent and unmistakable across all major measures of housing price.  As softwareengineer would say: \&quot;see the proof\&quot; \nhttp:\/\/img386.imageshack.us\/img386\/9290\/indicesph6.png&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly, it doesn&#8217;t matter what index you use &#8211; they all tell pretty much the same story.  The Median price is a bit more volatile than other measures of home prices but the trend is very consistent and unmistakable across all major measures of housing price.  As softwareengineer would say: &#8220;see the proof&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/9290/indicesph6.png" rel="nofollow">http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/9290/indicesph6.png</a>
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('62347','deejayoh',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('62347','deejayoh','Frankly, it doesn\'t matter what index you use - they all tell pretty much the same story.  The Median price is a bit more volatile than other measures of home prices but the trend is very consistent and unmistakable across all major measures of housing price.  As softwareengineer would say: \&quot;see the proof\&quot; \nhttp:\/\/img386.imageshack.us\/img386\/9290\/indicesph6.png',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: Leo</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/12/09/puget-sound-counties-november-update/#comment-62346</link>
		<dc:creator>Leo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi The Tim, why YOY stats shows Sales: -21.2%  for King County while graphs shows -43% Closed Sales? What&#039;s the difference? Thank you&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;62346&#039;,&#039;Leo&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;62346&#039;,&#039;Leo&#039;,&#039;Hi The Tim, why YOY stats shows Sales: -21.2%  for King County while graphs shows -43% Closed Sales? What\&#039;s the difference? Thank you&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi The Tim, why YOY stats shows Sales: -21.2%  for King County while graphs shows -43% Closed Sales? What&#8217;s the difference? Thank you
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('62346','Leo',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('62346','Leo','Hi The Tim, why YOY stats shows Sales: -21.2%  for King County while graphs shows -43% Closed Sales? What\'s the difference? Thank you',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: The Tim</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/12/09/puget-sound-counties-november-update/#comment-62345</link>
		<dc:creator>The Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>johnnybigspenda @ 2,

We have discussed that same issue here in the past.  In fact, every month when I post the main NWMLS update the median price has an asterisk next to it linking to this post: &lt;a href=&quot;http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2007/08/14/median-price-not-telling-the-whole-truth/&quot; title=&quot;Median Price Not Telling the Whole Truth&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Median Price Not Telling the Whole Truth&lt;/a&gt;.

Even as prices are falling, we should keep in mind these shortcomings with the median price statistic.  That&#039;s why my favorite measure of prices is Case-Shiller.  It&#039;s not without its own faults, but it is miles ahead of the raw closed sales median.&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;62345&#039;,&#039;The Tim&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;62345&#039;,&#039;The Tim&#039;,&#039;johnnybigspenda @ 2,\r\n\r\nWe have discussed that same issue here in the past.  In fact, every month when I post the main NWMLS update the median price has an asterisk next to it linking to this post: &lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/2007\/08\/14\/median-price-not-telling-the-whole-truth\/\&quot; title=\&quot;Median Price Not Telling the Whole Truth\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;Median Price Not Telling the Whole Truth&lt;\/a&gt;.\r\n\r\nEven as prices are falling, we should keep in mind these shortcomings with the median price statistic.  That\&#039;s why my favorite measure of prices is Case-Shiller.  It\&#039;s not without its own faults, but it is miles ahead of the raw closed sales median.&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>johnnybigspenda @ 2,</p>
<p>We have discussed that same issue here in the past.  In fact, every month when I post the main NWMLS update the median price has an asterisk next to it linking to this post: <a href="http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2007/08/14/median-price-not-telling-the-whole-truth/" title="Median Price Not Telling the Whole Truth" rel="nofollow">Median Price Not Telling the Whole Truth</a>.</p>
<p>Even as prices are falling, we should keep in mind these shortcomings with the median price statistic.  That&#8217;s why my favorite measure of prices is Case-Shiller.  It&#8217;s not without its own faults, but it is miles ahead of the raw closed sales median.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('62345','The Tim',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('62345','The Tim','johnnybigspenda @ 2,\r\n\r\nWe have discussed that same issue here in the past.  In fact, every month when I post the main NWMLS update the median price has an asterisk next to it linking to this post: &lt;a href=\&quot;http:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/2007\/08\/14\/median-price-not-telling-the-whole-truth\/\&quot; title=\&quot;Median Price Not Telling the Whole Truth\&quot; rel=\&quot;nofollow\&quot;&gt;Median Price Not Telling the Whole Truth&lt;\/a&gt;.\r\n\r\nEven as prices are falling, we should keep in mind these shortcomings with the median price statistic.  That\'s why my favorite measure of prices is Case-Shiller.  It\'s not without its own faults, but it is miles ahead of the raw closed sales median.',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: johnnybigspenda</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/12/09/puget-sound-counties-november-update/#comment-62344</link>
		<dc:creator>johnnybigspenda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Problem with Housing Stats: (article from SA)&#8230;.</p>
<p>Canadians think house prices are tumbling in Canada thanks to Canadian Real Estate Association (CREA) reports that say prices have dropped 10% over the year. But itâ€™s generally recognized their methodology is flawed: CREA compares average prices between two periods even though the composition of houses sold in the two periods can be quite different in terms of type, dwelling size, quality, etc
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('62344','johnnybigspenda',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('62344','johnnybigspenda','The Problem with Housing Stats: (article from SA)....\r\n\r\nCanadians think house prices are tumbling in Canada thanks to Canadian Real Estate Association (CREA) reports that say prices have dropped 10% over the year. But it&acirc;€™s generally recognized their methodology is flawed: CREA compares average prices between two periods even though the composition of houses sold in the two periods can be quite different in terms of type, dwelling size, quality, etc',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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		<title>By: softwarengineer</title>
		<link>http://seattlebubble.com/blog/2008/12/09/puget-sound-counties-november-update/#comment-62330</link>
		<dc:creator>softwarengineer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WHERE&#039;S THE PRICE BOTTOM IN SEATTLE?

In my book, the bottom will be much like the Great Depression.....when it fully collapses [we have a long way to go yet] it will flatten for a decade or two.

You can&#039;t miss it. 

The smartest RE shoppers during the GD didn&#039;t buy until they had to. If the banks doors were closed, the one with the most in his/her cash can bought apartment complexes, farms, companies, etc....&lt;div class=&quot;comment-remix-meta&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;replyto&quot; onclick=&quot;replyto(&#039;62330&#039;,&#039;softwarengineer&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Reply&lt;/a&gt;  - &lt;a href=&quot;#&quot; class=&quot;quote&quot; onclick=&quot;quote(&#039;62330&#039;,&#039;softwarengineer&#039;,&#039;WHERE\&#039;S THE PRICE BOTTOM IN SEATTLE?\r\n\r\nIn my book, the bottom will be much like the Great Depression.....when it fully collapses &#91;we have a long way to go yet&#93; it will flatten for a decade or two.\r\n\r\nYou can\&#039;t miss it. \r\n\r\nThe smartest RE shoppers during the GD didn\&#039;t buy until they had to. If the banks doors were closed, the one with the most in his\/her cash can bought apartment complexes, farms, companies, etc....&#039;,&#039;&#039;); return false;&quot;&gt;Quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHERE&#8217;S THE PRICE BOTTOM IN SEATTLE?</p>
<p>In my book, the bottom will be much like the Great Depression&#8230;..when it fully collapses [we have a long way to go yet] it will flatten for a decade or two.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t miss it. </p>
<p>The smartest RE shoppers during the GD didn&#8217;t buy until they had to. If the banks doors were closed, the one with the most in his/her cash can bought apartment complexes, farms, companies, etc&#8230;.
<div class="comment-remix-meta"><a href="#" class="replyto" onclick="replyto('62330','softwarengineer',''); return false;">Reply</a>  &#8211; <a href="#" class="quote" onclick="quote('62330','softwarengineer','WHERE\'S THE PRICE BOTTOM IN SEATTLE?\r\n\r\nIn my book, the bottom will be much like the Great Depression.....when it fully collapses &amp;#91;we have a long way to go yet&amp;#93; it will flatten for a decade or two.\r\n\r\nYou can\'t miss it. \r\n\r\nThe smartest RE shoppers during the GD didn\'t buy until they had to. If the banks doors were closed, the one with the most in his\/her cash can bought apartment complexes, farms, companies, etc....',''); return false;">Quote</a></div>
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