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Tim Ellis is the founder of Seattle Bubble. His background in engineering and computer / internet technology, a fondness of data-based analysis of problems, and an addiction to spreadsheets all influence his perspective on the Seattle-area real estate market.

24 responses to “March Reporting Roundup: Spring Fever Edition”

  1. deejayoh

    We may not soon see 2005 or 2006 levels of sales numbers, but we’re holding our own and progressing steadily in the right direction.”

    Let me correct that. We won’t even see 2008 levels of sales – which were half what they were in 2005 and 2006. We’re currently on track for 12-13k SFH sales in King County this year. That’s the lowest in a decade.

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  2. Chris

    By deejayoh @ 1:

    We may not soon see 2005 or 2006 levels of sales numbers, but we’re holding our own and progressing steadily in the right direction.”

    That’s the lowest in a decade.

    Well, at least something’s the lowest it’s been in a decade.

    The Tacoma report and Tim’s read was particularly interesting to me, as it points to the presence of buyers at appropriate prices and may be part of the reason why sales can pick up (as numbers start to make sense for more people) while numbers still slide to more affordable levels before they bottom out and the numbers make sense on a level broad enough to support the market.

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  3. patient

    Pending sales is just a notch better than “open house traffic” these days. Let’s wait and see where closed sales for the major selling months end up. Pendings are just pendings and there is nothing of substance until a sale closes.

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  4. deejayoh

    Ratio of Closed Sales to Pending Sales from the previous month
    Year : Ratio
    2000 : 101%
    2001 : 99%
    2002 : 96%
    2003 : 96%
    2004 : 95%
    2005 : 93%
    2006 : 93%
    2007 : 92%
    2008 : 84%
    2009 : 69%
    Average : 94%

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  5. dancingeek

    RE: deejayoh @ 4
    Where does the 2009 number come from? Are you just taking the total number of pendings / total number of closed? If so, wouldn’t that number be highly skewed by us just entering spring? What is the % if you drop the last 30-45 days of pendings?

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  6. deejayoh

    RE: dancingeek @ 5 – 2009 figure is the average for the first 3 months. I should have put “YTD” but I missed the edit window.

    I also ran monthly averages and there is not a whole lot of seasonality. The “close rate” is pretty constant throughout the year.

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  7. dancingeek

    RE: deejayoh @ 6
    Awesome. Thank you for the clarification!

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  8. JJL

    Here is a graph of the Pendings and Failed Sales for you.

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qOT_WZGcHPo/SdwCkskM1rI/AAAAAAAAAI0/sqyiwu5-4Y8/s1600-h/BOM+2008-2009.PNG

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  9. Kary L. Krismer

    There’s about a $10,000 difference between Pending and including and excluding Pending BU (Back up offers requested), with including them being the lower figure. I wonder if most the Pending BU are short sales?

    As to the main piece, I don’t understand why reduced inventory would spur buyer activity. Does anyone understand that?

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  10. Herman

    Can we get a NAR plot of open house traffic? Because if you factor in all the Beeson/NAR “data”, open house traffics should be at about thirtyfold 2007 levels right now. I went out last weekend and saw only two other families the whole day. In 2006 I remember elbow-to-elbow open houses.

    And WTF is this new “real-time market”? It’s like it’s trying to say, “ignore the bad news in the nwmls and cs data. That crap is obsolete the day they report it. Five minutes ago we saw these sales, and trust me they show the recovery is happening now and you’re missing it!”

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  11. Jonness

    “Buyers are scouring the Internet before calling or visiting open houses so they tend to be knowledgeable about options in their price range, he remarked, while noting they’re still seeking assistance from Realtors® in navigating the negotiation and closing process.”…Furthermore, most buyer’s agents are still charging 3% commission even though the buyers are doing 90% of the work themselves these days. The interview included several curse words preceding the phrase 500 Realty, but we decided not to print this because we’ve banned the phrase 500 Realty from our publication. We feel inclined to use the curse words though, because our %%## *&*# listing revenue has plummeted.

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  12. Jonness

    Darn that 500 Realty for for giving 75% back to the consumer. They’re going to mess it up for everyone else. OK, sorry about that. My humor is a little off at times.

    On another note, house prices predicted to fall another 30%. Buy now at your own peril.

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/30073339? (watch the video)

    I’ve seen a ReMax commercial about 5 times already tonight that says it’s a great time to buy a house. What are you waiting for?

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  13. Kary L. Krismer

    RE: Jonness @ 11 – If you think buyers are doing 90% of the work, you’re sadly uninformed as to what it takes to close a real estate transaction.

    I had a listing once where I showed the unrepresented buyer the property at least twice, and then they went to another agent to write up the offer (something I suggested was an option). The seller didn’t understand why I did that, not because they wanted me to cut the commission, but because they thought I’d earned a double commission simply by showing the house twice. They thought it unfair that the other agent get a commission just for writing up an offer.

    In this particular case, finding and looking at the property were the easy parts of the transaction. There were a lot of unexpected inspection issues that came up, as well as some unique neighborhood issues that the buyer wanted researched. The other agent did a lot of work to advise her client.

    And this raises another issue. A lot of people seem to think that they can save money by not using an agent. In that situation it clearly wasn’t the case, because the seller thought I earned 6% and the other agent gave them a rebate. But beyond that, having someone with experience negotiate on your side the inspection issues clearly has a lot of value. You can’t just rely on the inspector. What the inspector thinks is minor might be major, and visa versa. The buyer would typically have no idea, but the agent has presumably had experience dealing with such matters.

    Finally, even from the listing agent’s side, representing only the seller on a transaction, and having an unrepresented buyer (what the situation would typically be in Washington) raises a lot of legal and ethical issues. Unless you’re dealing with an experienced buyer (e.g. a flipper) it’s better to forgo the extra commission and have an agent on the other side.

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  14. Kary L. Krismer

    RE: Jonness @ 12 – Hey, if CNBC says prices are going to fall another 30%, it probably is a great time to buy! I didn’t check out the video, but it it was Cramer saying that, then it’s almost certainly a great time to buy! ;-)

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  15. Groundhogday

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 9:

    As to the main piece, I don’t understand why reduced inventory would spur buyer activity. Does anyone understand that?

    The implication is that people are becoming worried about “missing out.” As in, better buy that jar of peanut butter now as it is the last one on the shelf. Of course, that is not at all what people are thinking now but wishful thinking on the part of realtors.

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  16. Jonness

    Kary:

    It’s out of character for you to attack me for providing a link that you never even went to. Usually you are very collected, logical, and factual.

    The link I provided is to an interview of Merideth Whitney. I mean no disrespect because you are obviously a talented and capable person. However, I trust her analysis more than yours (see her credentials for more info). Even if she’s overstated this thing by 100%, I’ll still save $60K in principle reduction + $60K in interest savings + $60K in additional saving for a downpayment (i.e. cheaper loan and no PMI). Actually, I’ll save more than that because the RE agent’s commission will be calculated from the same home, but it will be less expensive.

    Does anyone here really believe we’ve seen the bottom? Then please answer me this, who is going to lend all the money for these homes that cost up to 2x what they did when they were actually affordable? The smart money got out a long time ago. Heck, even the flippers got out a long time ago. The only one’s left in the game are delusional sellers, insolvent banks, and average citizens that don’t know any better. Thus, we have a classic supply/demand issue that won’t balance out for at least 2 more years.

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  17. Kary L. Krismer

    RE: Jonness @ 16 – The reason I didn’t watch it is two-fold, in this order. 1. It’s CNBC, a source I have less than zero respect for. 2. I don’t have speakers on my computer, so video sources don’t really do much.

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  18. Jonness

    She’s on every media source on the planet, but I get your point.

    On another note, I don’t do well with the concept of negative numbers. How do you have less of something that doesn’t exist in the first place?

    One last general comment to the group. I’m seeing a lot of extremely cheap REO’s out in the market. Since the moratorium was only listed a few days ago, we should see a slug of them in a few months.

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  19. Jonness

    LIFTED! Where’s Freud when you need him?

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  20. Kary L. Krismer

    My biggest grip used to be banks and short sales, but it may become banks and their inability to adequately market properties they own. It’s total incompetence, and it’s costing them a lot in their recoveries, which means it’s costing the rest of us a lot.

    Maybe I should start marketing to private parties for listings like that. All I’d have to do is promise to do absolutely nothing to fix up the property, other than perhaps make it look as bad as possible, list it for 20% less than what it would otherwise be worth, but turn off the power and water and only take 5 pictures, while doing nothing further to sell it. Banks seem to like that marketing approach, so there must be a lot of people that would like it too, right? Of course, to really complete the deal I’d have to come up with required forms that were written by a group of people over many years such that they no longer made any sense.

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  21. rose-colored-coolaid

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 20:

    My biggest grip used to be banks and short sales

    I don’t usually pick on people for misspellings, but this particular one cracks me up for some reason. Kary, tell us more about your grip, please.

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  22. DHFord

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 20 – Our federal governent is responsible for the lack of marketing on bank owned property. The banks will simply collect the difference from the taxpayers. Hopefully this process will drive the price of homes down to the point where working people can afford to own.

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