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Tim Ellis is the founder of Seattle Bubble. His background in engineering and computer / internet technology, a fondness of data-based analysis of problems, and an addiction to spreadsheets all influence his perspective on the Seattle-area real estate market.

60 responses to “Local Foreclosures Skyrocketed Even Higher in June”

  1. Acerun

    Tip of iceberg….

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  2. uʍop ǝpısdn

    (: .sǝsnoɥ ɹıǝɥʇ ɥʇıʍ uʍop ǝpısdn ǝɹɐ ǝ1doǝd ɟo ʇo1 ɐ ǝʞı1 sʞoo1 ʇı

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  3. uʍop ǝpısdn

    (: .sı ʇı ‘sǝʎ

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  4. Acerun

    RE: uʍop ǝpısdn @ 2

    Master of the not so obvious!

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  5. deejayoh

    Hey tim – I notice you use NTS in the text but NOTS in at least one of the charts. Assume thease mean the same thing?

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  6. Ray Pepper

    Yow. What opened the floodgates in June? 144% to 190% increases YOY? Yikes!

    Well, let me think here………..hmmm….Could it be COMMON SENSE opened the flood gates?

    People will not stay in these upside down homes. Forget Loan Mod.. BRING on the Cram Down or this will spike higher and higher…

    I will say it again……….People are NOT stupid. Short sales will continue to spike higher and higher because our mobile society dictates that we must move. At the first sign of a job change, divorce, illness, or even simple life stresses people will seek the route that will be the easiest.

    Homeowners now have something they can blame this decision on ** Greenspan Put, 911, Mortage fraud in lending, etc. The decision to foreclose has become socially acceptable and that will lead to numbers of filings that will continue to astound the masses.

    People are asking “Why” they should stay in their home and this is TOXIC!

    They are all coming back! Not a question of if……………….just when……..

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  7. Acerun

    RE: Ray Pepper @ 7

    I can also see some sort of federal program starting for people that have ruined credit from walking away thus making it easy for them to get back in the game.

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  8. see it clearly

    It would be interesting to know if this behavior consistent with other markets that have reached this point in value loss from the peak. did they also show a spike in FC activity at about the same point?

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  9. cheapseats

    I wonder if RAL could use that method to get past the filter…

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  10. Tyler

    I have been wondering where all of the foreclosures were.

    Last weekend I drove through a new housing development in a small town in SW washington to see how far the prices had come down. I remember 2 years ago looking in disbelief at the prices tags of 450-650k on homes in a small town with no jobs and a 35 minute commute to Portland, which is where most of them work.

    Two years later, 1/15 houses (my rough count) are for sale for about 60-70% of the original price, and another 1/15 appear to be abandoned (no cars, vegetation all dead), but no for sale sign at all.

    Sometimes I am tempted to start shopping for a home now, mostly because I wonder if a lot of these home built in the past few years have fallen below replacement cost already?

    Magnolia44 commented the other day about how there isn’t much “new” news here. I think the real interesting story to come out of this is what a sustainable real estate model will look like going forward.

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  11. Joel

    When will realtors go from saying “Foot traffic at open houses is up!” to saying “Foot traffic at auction houses is up!” to justify their bottom calls?

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  12. Ray Pepper

    RE: Acerun @ 8

    GUARANTEED MY FRIEND!

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  13. Magnolia44

    This is news and it is showing how people are deciding to walk away. The sad thing is we are being lied to and manipulated daily, the banks are holding back on us and trying to bleed this thing slowly.

    Anyway still employed, for now and business as usual. All projects and any large purchases in my household are suspended until 2010 review, that makes the wife laugh but its true.

    I didn’t mention that baby Mags has joined the world as our first. Its been a few months but what a whirl wind and added pressure, but a true blessing all in one.

    Good luck to all of us in these times that’s for sure.

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  14. Magnolia44

    Speaking of the banks, these foreclosures are happening even with banks trying for the most part to prevent them.

    I know people in banking in CA who talk of people with million dollar home portfolios being given 2% or so rates for 5 years to prevent them from walking, there are other types of mods occuring. These are people who made money speculating, and the banks in some cases are doing whatever they can.

    Tough for us average joes, who pay the bills. We will see if Ray Pepper’s theory holds true but at this rate it is going to take a while for that desperation to kick in. Markets are pulling the wool over everyone, for now.

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  15. patient

    ” In the first half of 2009, the number of discontinuances filed was only 17% of the number of trustee sale notices.”

    Can we read this as that the whole government sponsored refi spectacle is not very tempting when you are under water or do not apply to our several hundred thousands dollar homes bought with zero down i/o/teaser loans…

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  16. Kary L. Krismer

    As I’ve mentioned before, the law is changing on what they need to do to foreclose non-judicially. They’re probably trying to squeeze as many in under the old law as they can. Typically they wait a bit longer than they have to, but this would easily change that practice.

    I think the new law kicks in about July 26th or so. We’ll see what the numbers are for August.

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  17. Kary L. Krismer

    They don’t always file a notice of discontinuance. That’s a less reliable indicator than pending! ;-)

    Seriously, I’m not even sure they do it half the time.

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  18. Softwarengineer

    RE: Ray Pepper @ 7

    HI RAY

    IMO the foreclosure dam has been building up, due to early year government and bank practices to delay implementation, to work out possible refinancing and short sale options. The delays were apparently a moot point.

    Another fly in the ointment; they say household incomes are rising, but they won’t tell us how much per household population is rising too. IMO, there are significantly more incomes living in a household today, because there’s more people living in each household lot/unit today….it was on KING TV a couple days ago about many $425/mo rooms packed on one tiny city lot building [140 sf rooms each]…where do they park and the neighbors are horrified too?

    http://www.seatoskyrentals.com/site/Overview/PropertyID__21118/748/default.aspx

    All this packing together just adds to the foreclosure fire. And if you’re looking for more fire gas population as the answer, wellllllll…..that would only work if we drastically plummet home prices as wages plummet with more competition in a dwindling job base [Obama says part of the lost jobs aren't coming back either]. More foreclosures then too.

    Don’t look for the federal government to print money out the problem soon either, that causes inflation and mortgage rates to rise [can't have that]….we’re between a rock and the hard place IMO….

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  19. Kary L. Krismer

    Those who want to see what the new law requires: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2009-10/Pdf/Bills/Senate%20Passed%20Legislature/5810.PL.pdf

    Pay particular attention to Section 2. It will be obvious why they want to beat this going into effect.

    This is very similar to some legislation that the Governor proposed. I thought it never passed, but apparently something parallel did.

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  20. singliac

    RE: Magnolia44 @ 16

    Shame on you for overpopulating the world like that! :) Congrats, man. What a blessing. That makes all this other stuff seem like a bunch of fluff.

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  21. Cheap South

    RE: Magnolia44 @ 15

    Congrats on baby Mags. Life changing as you can’t even imagine.

    I also heard about banks sitting on properties not to flood the market and put even more pressure on the properties they already have out.

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  22. Ira Sacharoff

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 19

    I think that pretty much nails it. After around July 26th, it will be more cumbersome for lenders to non judicially foreclose. They want to get in under the wire, hence the vastly increased numbers for NTS.
    Without this change in law, NTS numbers might still be up, but not by nearly as many.

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  23. Kary L. Krismer

    There might also be an effect of past moratoriums compounding things. That’s pretty interesting if you think about it. The feds require a moratorium, and while that’s in effect the state is passing a law making it harder to foreclose.

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  24. Mike2

    By Tyler @ 12:

    Sometimes I am tempted to start shopping for a home now, mostly because I wonder if a lot of these home built in the past few years have fallen below replacement cost already?

    Replacement cost is only relevant if building a particular home in a particular area still makes sense. Some of these 10,000 sq ft homes on the exurban fringe would never make sense to build today, regardless of what the replacement cost is. Likewise with homes in really run down areas. Replacement cost doesn’t factor in to whether someone would actually want to live there.

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  25. BillE

    There was over 12 pages of NTS in the Everett Herald yesterday. That might be the most I’ve seen.

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  26. David McManus

    The more I read about state and federal government making it tougher to foreclose, the more po-ed I get. I should have bought a mansion (hell, why not 2 or 3) and filled it with plasmas on every wall, expensive furniture, clothes. My family should have taken a vacation every month with the equity.

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  27. DrShort

    The NTS filings are coming in at a slower pace in July than June (1300 pace so far). What’s picked up are the actual Trustee Deeds. It’s possible July could see 500 for King County. If Trustee Deeds pick up a lot over the summer, that could make the inventory of houses on the market quite ugly come Oct – Dec.

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  28. Joel

    By The Tim @ 17:

    By Magnolia44 @ 15:
    I didn’t mention that baby Mags has joined the world as our first. Its been a few months but what a whirl wind and added pressure, but a true blessing all in one.

    Congrats!

    Oooooh, sorry. The correct response would have been:
    “*Crickets*”

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  29. Magnolia44

    *crickets* is right.

    Maybe my *crickets* comments were a little on the a** side.

    Thanks for the well wishes from those, Tim even though I can be snide and an a** with my comments, that was pretty nice of you to step up with the congratulations.

    No more smart comments from me, or at least I will try.

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  30. tomtom

    By Magnolia44 @ 33:

    No more smart comments from me, or at least I will try.

    We haven’t read any yet, so this probably won’t be much of a problem.

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  31. Kary L. Krismer

    By David McManus @ 30:

    The more I read about state and federal government making it tougher to foreclose, the more po-ed I get. I should have bought a mansion (hell, why not 2 or 3) and filled it with plasmas on every wall, expensive furniture, clothes. My family should have taken a vacation every month with the equity.

    The part I liked about the governor’s proposal, which the more I think about it is different than what passed, is it seemingly required banks to respond better to short sale situations. I don’t have a problem with that at all–I though it clever.

    But I would tend to agree about much of the rest of this new state law. Forcing the bank to call the debtor just seems extreme. Simply require certain material be mailed. There’s no reason that shouldn’t be sufficient.

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  32. David Losh

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 23

    OK Kary I read as much as I could. It seems as though this new law encourages lenders to make “collection calls” like they do for credit cards.

    That will fix things.

    Seriously it will increase foreclosures. No one, absolutely no one has to tolerate harassment from a lender. Having a crack head call you on the phone on a lender’s behalf is reason enough to walk away.

    On the street it’s called harassment, and extortion by threat of harassment. Add that to swindle by device and I think you have a criminal conspiracy.

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  33. David Losh

    RE: Magnolia44 @ 33

    Your crickets comment was exactly right. I have noticed that the discussions here have degenerated to name calling. In my opinion many commenters get lambasted for differring opinions. I’m used to it, it’s a part of the charm of the site, but if some one is lurking then makes a comment they should be given some slack.

    Maybe it’s the heat and maybe it’s that the selling season is over, but you made a timely comment.

    Congradulations. Kids, dogs, and the house are what make the world go around for me.

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  34. Kary L. Krismer

    RE: David Losh @ 36 – Exactly. They’ll ignore the calls and God knows what will happen during the calls. A written communication would be much better.

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  35. Mike2

    By David Losh @ 37:

    Maybe it’s the heat

    Seattlelites boil at 85

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  36. David Losh

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 38

    This looks like more bank directed legislation. A notice is not what the banks want. Banks want the right to harrass. They don’t have that. They are regulated in the harrassment techniques that they use, but have no right to harrass.

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  37. shawn

    RE: Joel @ 32 – I doubt it will be quiet around his place for a while. If anything, thanks mag for making SWE upset by helping us overpopulate this place. I vote for SWE as group leader of the commons.

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  38. Sniglet

    If anything, I am surprised the foreclosure notices are as high as they are. There are so many stories coming out about lenders refusing to foreclose on delinquent homes these days, that I would expect the public foreclosure rates to stay somewhat muted.

    This reluctance to follow-through with foreclosures may be why Tyler isn’t seeing the massive waves of distress sales he had been anticipating. The big question, in my mind, is just how big this “shadow” inventory (of delinquent homes which the banks refuse to foreclose on) is?

    http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20090712/ARTICLE/907121067/2055/NEWS

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  39. Kary L. Krismer

    RE: Sniglet @ 42 – I’m not going to speak to the Florida market, but up here the banks could sell a lot more REOs if they just did a better job marketing the things. Regular sellers discovered long ago that you needed to clean a place up a bit to put it on the market. You seldom see a bank doing that, and the last time I saw it, they were doing things to a property that wasn’t really necessary.

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  40. David Losh

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 43

    In my opinion the banks simply want to get through this selling season. I see staggering profits for banks this year. I don’t think banks want or need to sell foreclosures or bank owned properties.

    As I see it it’s the investors who are on the hook for the money and the banks are the servicers. I’ve yet to figure out the banks incentive for selling or flooding the market with distressed homes. As long as prices are stable the banks can do their refis and people will take out purchase loans. When prices begin to decline that spigot of loans will dry up.

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  41. Kary L. Krismer

    RE: David Losh @ 44 – In my opinion the banks simply think they don’t have to adapt to the times because they’re banks, and never have.

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  42. homer

    I work for a bank and believe me we are trying to short sell (and stick the borrowers with a money judgement if possible or foreclose and sell as quickly as we can. we want to dump our inventory before everyone else does. We realize that values are only going to drop and will take our refi profits to offset our portfolio losses and get through this as quick as possible.

    This new law only slows us down a bit.

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  43. Kary L. Krismer

    RE: homer @ 46 – Homer, there are a few banks that respond fairly quickly to a short sale offer, but that’s the exception. Do you have any idea how long it takes your bank from the time an offer comes in to being able to say: Yes!

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  44. homer

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 47

    24-48 hours is our time from offer to either counter, acceptance or a “no”.

    I read this blog and I am one of the few bankers who believes we are still headed down in the market. A known loss now is much better than a bigger loss later on.

    Learn from the mistakes, accept them and don’t repeat them again.

    I do know of some regional banks who are not foreclosing but still downgrading the asset. My opinion is that time has passed. Take them back, put them on the market and sell them as values are still headed downward.

    My guess is this fall you will see a flood of inventory going on the market with these regional banks… this is when it will get ugly. I am seeing drops of $80-$100K from some of these banks on competiting properties. I can’t imagine how a regular homeowner who has to sell can compete with a bank selling an REO right now.

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  45. Sniggy

    “I can’t imagine how a regular homeowner who has to sell can compete with a bank selling an REO right now. ”

    consumers are weird, they are not investors. Buying a REO is a lot different than buying a conventional sale. If something is wrong with the house they wont fix it and often times wont negotiate the price (with you they may lower it later.) Also to some there is a stigma attached to a foreclosure. I means that the house is a failure, somewhat like buying a used wedding ring. I know it sounds silly but many people think that way.

    There are several nice foreclosures in my target area (Mukilteo) that have not sold while comparable conventional sales of similar houses have. Even though the Foreclosures are listed way less.

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  46. Kary L. Krismer

    By homer @ 48:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 47

    24-48 hours is our time from offer to either counter, acceptance or a “no”.

    . I can’t imagine how a regular homeowner who has to sell can compete with a bank selling an REO right now.

    That timeframe is excellent if you’re talking short sale. REO it’s good.

    As to how to compete, typically better condition, and also less concerns over the contract. Most the bank contracts I’ve seen haven’t been as bad (one-sided) as what you’d expect, but I saw one where it was just a horrible piece of junk, apparently drafted by several bank employees over many years. It would probably cost a buyer $2,000 in attorney fees to respond to the bank’s documents.

    For the right buyer, REO is the way to go, especially if they have money to re-carpet and re-paint (and especially if they’re first time buyers and that money will eventually be repaid by the government).

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  47. Kary L. Krismer

    By Sniggy @ 49:

    “There are several nice foreclosures in my target area (Mukilteo) that have not sold while comparable conventional sales of similar houses have. Even though the Foreclosures are listed way less.

    Again, a lot of that is condition of the property. Normal sellers have learned that they need to clean up and fix up prior to going on the market. Banks largely have not learned that. Often the properties still have junk lying around throughout the house and grounds.

    But I think you’re right about the buyers simply not wanting foreclosure property. When looking at the stuff it’s sort of depressing. It almost reeks of failure–especially if you’re looking at a lot of them. And the banks’ failure to have stuff hauled away only makes that worse.

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  48. Ira Sacharoff

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 51

    Even some of the nicer REO properties are marketed poorly. Often the listings contain only one photograph, and it’s blurry.

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  49. Kary L. Krismer

    RE: Ira Sacharoff @ 52 – That digital film is expensive stuff.

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    [...] and Pierce County records. For a longer-term picture of King County foreclosures back to 1979, refer to the final chart in this post. For the full legal definition of what a Notice of Trustee Sale is and how it fits into the [...]

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    [...] and Pierce County records. For a longer-term picture of King County foreclosures back to 1979, refer to the final chart in this post. For the full legal definition of what a Notice of Trustee Sale is and how it fits into the [...]

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    [...] and Pierce County records. For a longer-term picture of King County foreclosures back to 1979, refer to the final chart in this post. For the full legal definition of what a Notice of Trustee Sale is and how it fits into the [...]

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