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Tim Ellis is the founder of Seattle Bubble. His background in engineering and computer / internet technology, a fondness of data-based analysis of problems, and an addiction to spreadsheets all influence his perspective on the Seattle-area real estate market.

111 responses to “Redfin Maps All the Bank Owned (REO) Shadow Inventory”

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  1. ray pepper

    “Ray is saying to make your best full price offer.”

    Good God! Did I say that? I don’t think so. I believe I said in certain areas regionals are drop gapping their prices and these homes sell very quickly with multiple offers.

    When you see a drop gap in price David you will know why everyone piles in. Until you see that you NEVER offer full price..

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  2. David Losh

    RE: ray pepper @ 101

    Yeah you did say that. What I said is that people would be foolish to pay full price for an REO. Now you’re saying, like all Real Estate agents do, that you wait until the seller decides to lower the price, and then all pile on. That’s not in the buyers best interest.

    My point is, like in all Real Estate, you make offers that make sense for the buyer. You don’t wait around until the seller is directing the sale.

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  3. Kary L. Krismer

    RE: David Losh @ 102 – David, some banks act strange. I once had a bank reject an offer without a counter and then within a week lower the price to within $5,000 of my offer. They apparently expect you to tell the truth when they ask for your highest and best offer! ;-)

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  4. ray pepper

    RE: David Losh @ 102

    Oh, I see the problem now David. You don’t know what drop gapping is of a price..I’m sorry.

    If a home is listed at 200k and you offer 120k the bank will ALWAYS reject if its an REO and you will get no response. However, if this same home drop gaps to 125k 2 months later (for whatever reason) then offering less then NEW sales price is a complete waste of time. Other offers will pile in. It happens over and over and over. When a homes ” # comes up and they decide to unload” you must be ready with cash.

    You have taken yourself out of the game and its truly unfortunate because buying/selling now is the most lucrative it has ever been and I suspect in about 1 more year it will get even better. “Keep your powder dry Ray” – I’m told week after week from the people with the REAL money. So I do….Well, not really bought 3 in the last year–35k,130k,63k…..Homes 5 years ago were 145k,265k,and 275k respectively.

    Its time to build yourself a portfolio David that could last a lifetime and many will retire off this last year and the next couple years to come off pure GEM investments.

    “You don’t wait around until the seller is directing the sale”…very very wrong David…We ALWAYS wait around until the seller MUST sell. Its the only way.

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  5. LA Relo

    Glad to see Redfin getting up to speed on this.

    Here’s my question. Say I go on Redfin now, find an REO not on the market and I go check it out. Drive by, peak in the windows, whatever.

    Now I want to buy it. I don’t need an agent, lawyer, car salesman, or witch doctor.

    I want to call the bank, and buy the property with cash down and finance through them if I don’t have all cash.

    I’d like a title check and inspection, but chances are as an REO title is clean, and you get what you get as far as condition.

    First question is who is the bank? Then, who do i talk to at the bank? Then what?

    I guess I’m wondering why a bank would want to screw around with an agent if I’m here ready to buy it now.

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  6. Marc

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 58

    “If an agent commits malpractice regarding forms, I think the standard is that of an attorney, not some lower standard applicable to an agent.”

    Kary,

    That occurred to me Friday evening as I was driving home and I thought about commenting again on it. However, I’m not his attorney so I’m not going to do him any favors. I also realized that my primary mistake was engaging with Ray in the first place.

    I hope for his sake and that of his clients that he never steers anybody wrong. If any of his clients are reading these comments I recommend saving a copy of his comments in post 60. His claim to know “contract law better then anyone” might be helpful in a legal malpractice lawsuit.

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  7. Marc

    Good stuff Ira. Keep’em coming.

    By Ira Sacharoff @ 71:

    By One Eyed Man @ 70:
    RE: Ira Sacharoff @ 64

    Whaddya mean? Don’t new real estate brokers have to be high school graduates?

    Real estate broker: I don’t have brown streaks in my underwear. Maybe a few yellow streaks, but no brown streaks. And yellow is the new black. Would you like to buy my underwear? Underwear never goes down in value.

    Lawyer: I may or may not have brown streaks in my underwear, but were that supposition true and I did indeed have brown streaks in my underwear, then those brown streaks would not contain even the faintest odor of fecal matter.

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  8. David Losh

    RE: ray pepper @ 104

    I understand, and i’ll get to that in the next comment.

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  9. David Losh

    RE: LA Relo @ 105

    It’s not what you know it’s who you know. You can find the bank, and the department that has the sale. They don’t want to deal with you. You are a problem.

    What you want to be is a solution. You want to be the person who moves that file, so you have to find who has the file. It can be anywhere, but one person is going to handle that sale.

    It might be the day that file is on top of the pile, it may be buried. What are you offering that will make that person check the file you want rather than close another one?

    If you’re an agent, you may be able to close more than one file. If you just want to mess around, well the person with the file has other files to close, that day.

    It’s actually a people business like any other Real Estate. There are people who work in that world, some for an entire career.

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  10. Kary L. Krismer

    RE: Marc @ 106 – Ray here is not half as bad as Ardell in this thread:

    http://www.trulia.com/voices/Home_Selling/Sellers_keeping_earnest_money_We_recently_had_a_-268888

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  11. ray pepper

    RE: Marc @ 106

    ” I also realized that my primary mistake was engaging with Ray in the first place.”

    This is true Marc. Your swimming with sharks in the world of blogging. Your a new guppy that will get eaten alive when you continue to insinuate your superiority in practice over others. I’m here to remind everyone that those who bash (with no track record) need to be looked at further and watched with a careful eye.

    BTW my commenting in the blogs would be very difficult to prove without proof that it was truly I that made these comments. I would like to see you present these threads in court to a judge in trying to attempt a malpractice suit. You would be laughed right out of the Courtroom.(which I’m sure has happened to you already!).

    Marc, I hope you do NOT take my jabs at you too serious. Its all in good fun and I’m sure you run a tight ship with Craig but I cannot help but attack anyone that continues to infer their superiority. You both kind of remind me of conceited guys in the bars that would wait for the girls to come talk to them. At the end of the night they always went home together wondering what the problem was and how come nobody noticed them……….

    I can’t wait for Craigs next entry on RCG. Hes the only reason I check in over there. I’m always ready to pounce on him yet as of late his entries on Strategic Default had no mention of his perceived superiority in practice…….So I behaved.

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