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Tim Ellis is the founder of Seattle Bubble. His background in engineering and computer / internet technology, a fondness of data-based analysis of problems, and an addiction to spreadsheets all influence his perspective on the Seattle-area real estate market.

9 responses to “The Battle of the Flippers: Everyone’s a Winner”

  1. David Losh

    OK, I did drive by both properties, yours as well, on our way back from Boom City on the 4th of July.

    The listing agent on 3609 usually represents builders, and the quality of the property, as well as yours, does show superior craftsmanship.

    My question would be if these properties are worth the rehab. It seems to me a block or two away it is zoned multi family, some of it looks like the rents would be very reasonable.

    Are these prices reasonable, or are they a reflection of the fact your house sold for $250K? Is your house now the benchmark for the neighborhood?

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  2. Lo Ball Jones

    Have you guys checked out 6th Avenue Tacoma lately?

    https://www.facebook.com/6thAveTacoma

    I was there this weekend and it’s what Fremont used to be like (and what much of Portland still is like) before the densifiers destroyed it.

    Plus it seems to have lots of craftsman style homes for under $200K.

    Really, if the Tacoma crime problem could ever be brought under control, that would unleash thousands of SFHs into the local market.

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  3. mmmarvel

    Wow, all I can say is wow. I’m really amazed that folks pay so much for so little. Of course doing a comparison to what homes sell for in LA or even SF y’all are thinking you got a bargain; can’t say I’d agree. Wow!

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  4. ESS

    Good news for all involved – the buyers, the sellers and the neighbors.

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  5. softwarengineer

    Grab ‘Em Up

    Ya gotta live somewhere and it beats fighting with a landlord.

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  6. Kary L. Krismer

    By ESS @ 4:

    Good news for all involved – the buyers, the sellers and the neighbors.

    Exactly. Flippers get a bad reputation, but they really provide a valuable service. They take houses that the prior owners, for one reason or another, let run down, and they fix them up. Some of them don’t do such a great job fixing them, but many do, and that’s a good thing.

    People get upset because they make a profit, but they also take incredible risk.

    What is actually much worse for neighborhoods, but which has a good public image, is allowing a larger percentage of people the ability to buy a house. That’s proven to be a disaster for many neighborhoods where people move in with little or no ability or aptitude for maintaining property. They’re worse than landlords, IMHO, because landlords will typically have some interest in keeping their property maintained.

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  7. Pegasus

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 6 – Let’s not forget that flippers by design are not long term holders and thus the quick turnovers enhance the pockets of real estate agents.

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  8. Kary L. Krismer

    By Pegasus @ 7:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 6 – Let’s not forget that flippers by design are not long term holders and thus the quick turnovers enhance the pockets of real estate agents.

    Not necessarily. They often find some sap willing to list it for very little money for repeat business. I remember one listing where the agent only received $500. They are not the type of client I would target, but I’m sure there are some exceptions. And there are some good agents who list flipper properties. I’m just saying that’s not the thing about flippers that would stick out in my mind.

    It’s arguably good for buyer’s agents, but in normal markets they would have other properties their clients could buy, so it’s not a huge deal for them either. About the best thing about it from a buyer’s agent point of view is it’s more likely any major changes to the house were done with permits.

    In any event, I was focusing on the effect on the neighborhood.

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  9. David Losh

    RE: ESS @ 4

    Actually the price point of this block went from about $80K to $130K and is now $127K to $250K.

    That might be a good thing in the future, but today it takes affordable housing and makes it more expensive.

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