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Tim Ellis is the founder of Seattle Bubble. His background in engineering and computer / internet technology, a fondness of data-based analysis of problems, and an addiction to spreadsheets all influence his perspective on the Seattle-area real estate market.

30 responses to “Monday Open Thread (2013-03-25)”

  1. pfft

    Every time you or someone you know doges about Obamacare I want you to remember people like Arijit Guha. Please read the article to find out more. When his $300,000 lifetime cap was breached he had to sell t-shirts to pay for chemo. Under Obamacare nobody will ever have to sell t-shirts anymore.

    Arijit Guha, student who battled Aetna over cancer coverage, dies
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/03/25/arijit-guha-student-who-battled-aetna-over-cancer-coverage-dies/

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  2. Scotsman

    RE: pfft @ 1

    Cruel insurance company: “After he engaged in a back-and-forth with chief executive Mark Bertolini, the insurance company moved quickly to work out a solution. Within 24 hours, Guha’s 23-word tweet had done more than six straight months of fundraising ever could: It persuaded Aetna to cover all his outstanding medical bills.”

    But under Obama care his cancer, with only an 8% survival rate, won’t be covered thanks to death panel rationing.

    If you get nothing, but it’s free, does it matter?

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  3. softwarengineer

    RE: pfft @ 1

    Obamacare is Still Basically No Care for 70% of the Unisured

    They’ll be put on Medicaid and Medicaid don’t pay dental [over age 21] and a lion’s share of the doctors won’t even schedule an appointment with you [includes Medicare too], unless you have the like low cost [?] $20K/yr family plan private insurance too.

    I see Obamacare as a just another federal tax on middle incomes paying the fines because they can’t afford the the $20K/yr…

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  4. softwarengineer

    RE: Scotsman @ 2

    Ask Most Doctors

    When they get cancer they just get pain killers because they know the expensive treatments have the same survival % as just doing nothing….

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  5. Blurtman

    It’s a difficult issue to discuss how much money we should spend to keep any one person alive.

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  6. Chris

    RE: softwarengineer @ 4

    WTF?! The survival rate for stage 1 breast cancer, for example, is 88%. http://www.cancer.org/cancer/breastcancer/detailedguide/breast-cancer-survival-by-stage

    It’s easy to ignore brainless and uninformed opinions about real estate and economics but for anyone thinking about spouting off uninformed rhetoric about healthcare that may influence someone in a weak moment of thought, shut the ***k up.

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  7. David Losh

    RE: Chris @ 6

    Actually the survival rate for cancer keeps climbing. The problem is in the detection, the cost of detection, and the way our Health Care system is set up.

    This is Romney Care we are talking about. Obama was going for single payer, government run Health Care. He wanted a vote in Congress before the summer break, but instead we had a couple of months of the Tea Party nut jobs screaming about big governmet.

    After the summer break Congress passed Romney Care which was another gift to the Private Health Insurance Industry.

    The problem with Health Care is the cost, and obscene profits. We use 1950s chemo drugs that have been repackaged under new patents to drive the cost up. The real technology however is in molecule, and geonome(sp?) research.

    Private Health Insurance will do nothing to develop new technology, they are more interested in the profits of treatment than coming up with a cure. A cure is possible for anything.

    If you really wanted to talk about the economy, we could fund Public Health for cancer screening, we can fund our research from single payer government run Health Care, we can incorporate MedicAid, along with huge segnments of MediCare into Public Health.

    Health Care is a global technology, easily exported. We can make more by having more Universal Care than gifting Insurance companies to do nothing, but drive up costs, and profits for themselves.

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  8. Blurtman

    RE: Chris @ 6 – Here is a promisng new therapy for treating adult ALL, a devastating disease: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/21/health/altered-t-cell-therapy-shows-promise-for-acute-leukemia.html?_r=0

    There are lots of things in development that may cure cancer. Here is one that will be on the market soon for CLL, ibrutinib: http://www.investor.jnj.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=739865

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  9. David Losh

    RE: Blurtman @ 8

    My best example is cervical cancer which was common in the 1970s. The studies in Public Health found there was a virus common in the diagnosis.

    The research was broadened, and now we have a vaccine for the Human Papaloma Virus.

    AiDs would be another great example of where virus research, through Public Health can offer more insight into the way we treat medical conditions.

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  10. Plymster

    Would someone please link to the section of the Obamacare bill that establishes the death panels and the cutoff point for survival rates of diseases treated? I keep seeing assertions about how they won’t cover you if you have some illness (ie: cancer), but I’ve yet to see anything other than opinion pieces cited.

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  11. softwarengineer

    RE: Chris @ 6

    I Work the Medical Field, Publish Bioengineering Articles Voluntarily [No Pay] to Cut Health Care Costs

    The only way, reduce the #’s of doctors and nurses needed [they're currently about 5% of the work force and they want like half our pay].

    My board members talk to all doctors, not just the few that invested in MASSIVE cancer care machines….like nuclear chemo….of course they’d call the rest of the doctors nuts…

    Try this: Put “cancer treatments no better than doing nothing” in a yahoo search engine and it will spit out the truth. I dare ya!

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  12. pfft

    By Scotsman @ 2:

    RE: pfft @ 1

    Cruel insurance company: “After he engaged in a back-and-forth with chief executive Mark Bertolini, the insurance company moved quickly to work out a solution. Within 24 hours, Guhaâ��s 23-word tweet had done more than six straight months of fundraising ever could: It persuaded Aetna to cover all his outstanding medical bills.”

    But under Obama care his cancer, with only an 8% survival rate, won’t be covered thanks to death panel rationing.

    If you get nothing, but it’s free, does it matter?

    fiction is fun isn’t it?

    there are no death panels and it’s not free. I see you are back right where you left off. you are like a male michelle bachmann.

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  13. pfft

    By softwarengineer @ 3:

    RE: pfft @ 1

    Obamacare is Still Basically No Care for 70% of the Unisured

    do you have proof or do you just throw stuff out there for us to contemplate?

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  14. pfft

    By David Losh @ 7:

    RE: Chris @ 6

    Actually the survival rate for cancer keeps climbing. The problem is in the detection, the cost of detection, and the way our Health Care system is set up.

    This is Romney Care we are talking about. Obama was going for single payer, government run Health Care. He wanted a vote in Congress before the summer break, but instead we had a couple of months of the Tea Party nut jobs screaming about big governmet.

    After the summer break Congress passed Romney Care which was another gift to the Private Health Insurance Industry.

    The problem with Health Care is the cost, and obscene profits. We use 1950s chemo drugs that have been repackaged under new patents to drive the cost up. The real technology however is in molecule, and geonome(sp?) research.

    Private Health Insurance will do nothing to develop new technology, they are more interested in the profits of treatment than coming up with a cure. A cure is possible for anything.

    If you really wanted to talk about the economy, we could fund Public Health for cancer screening, we can fund our research from single payer government run Health Care, we can incorporate MedicAid, along with huge segnments of MediCare into Public Health.

    Health Care is a global technology, easily exported. We can make more by having more Universal Care than gifting Insurance companies to do nothing, but drive up costs, and profits for themselves.

    not Romneycare, we are talking about the Republican alternative to Hillarycare put out by a right-wing think tank(yeah don’t laugh they do exist) in the 90s.

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  15. pfft

    By Plymster @ 10:

    Would someone please link to the section of the Obamacare bill that establishes the death panels and the cutoff point for survival rates of diseases treated? I keep seeing assertions about how they won’t cover you if you have some illness (ie: cancer), but I’ve yet to see anything other than opinion pieces cited.

    you’re asking the wrong crowd for evidence. they just tell us “facts” and we are supposed to google it.

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  16. pfft

    By softwarengineer @ 11:

    RE: Chris @ 6

    I Work the Medical Field, Publish Bioengineering Articles Voluntarily [No Pay] to Cut Health Care Costs

    The only way, reduce the #’s of doctors and nurses needed [they’re currently about 5% of the work force and they want like half our pay].

    My board members talk to all doctors, not just the few that invested in MASSIVE cancer care machines….like nuclear chemo….of course they’d call the rest of the doctors nuts…

    Try this: Put “cancer treatments no better than doing nothing” in a yahoo search engine and it will spit out the truth. I dare ya!

    yahoo bro? Ain’t nobody got time for that!

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  17. One Eyed Man

    I googled SWE’s search language and saw nothing of value on the first page or two of google-in google-out results so I searched “cancer treatments vs no treatment survival rates.” This ain’t the HC thread but here’s an article put out by the Annenberg Public Policy Center on cancer survival stats in private insurance countries vs universal care countries and the implications this has for Obamacare. (No need to point out that the reactionary right considers factcheck.org to be run by the left wing minions of satan as I can see both satan and the left wing minions just on my right with their factcheck.org tee shirts on to symbolize their hatred of freedom and plans for world domination thru enforced altruism.)

    http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/cancer-rates-and-unjustified-conclusions/

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  18. whatsmyname

    RE: Scotsman @ 2
    How much rationing is required for a single Health Insurance Company to ration $4.6billion into annual net income?

    We like our death panels private,
    and profitable.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/thomas-a-bass/the-double-game-of-the-us_b_1558794.html

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  19. softwarengineer

    RE: pfft @ 13

    I’d Ask You the Same Question

    I don’t need proof, I talk to a plethora healthcare workers and attend seminars with them publishing articles, that’s proof enough.

    Where’s your proof that shooting from the hip is OK if its Obamacare?

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  20. Scotsman

    “Jane, you ugly slut!”

    What? One out of three people living in the U.S. has a venereal infection/disease? I need to get out more. Or not.

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/cdc-110197000-venereal-infections-us-nation-creating-new-stis-faster-new-jobs-or

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  21. pfft

    By softwarengineer @ 19:

    RE: pfft @ 13

    I’d Ask You the Same Question

    I don’t need proof, I talk to a plethora healthcare workers and attend seminars with them publishing articles, that’s proof enough.

    Where’s your proof that shooting from the hip is OK if its Obamacare?

    oh great some guy on seattle bubble talks to people. I’m convinced.

    how about some articles or studies?

    where do you guys hear all of this stuff? Other websites? the radio? your little crew of friends(morons). do you guys ever read articles or studies or do you believe the emails your idiot right-wing friends spams you with?

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  22. redmondjp

    Guys,

    We have a separate health care thread – let’s keep it that way!

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  23. David Losh

    RE: Scotsman @ 20

    Jane, you ignorant slut.

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  24. Blurtman

    Obama sucks! Al Capone would be proud.

    Ex-DOJ criminal chief Breuer returns to Covington & Burling

    (Reuters) – Lanny Breuer, who stepped down as head of the Justice Department’s criminal division, is returning to the law firm Covington & Burling where he spent most of his career.

    The firm announced that Breuer will assume the title of vice-chair, beginning July 1.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/28/justice-breuer-idUSL2N0CJ1OC20130328

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  25. banjo country

    Puff – perhaps you need to let off a little steam, spread out over time, as opposed to blowing a gasket?
    Your buddies are in charge, why so tense?

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  26. ChrisM

    Proposed stupid changes to rental law in Oregon:

    http://www.oregonlive.com/front-porch/index.ssf/2013/03/landlord-tenant_bill_would_let.html#incart_river

    “The coalition’s proposal would restrict landlords from considering arrests in screening potential tenants, and they could consider criminal convictions only if the crime is relevant to their tenancy. Drug crimes, violent love offenses, “person crimes” such as assault or financial crimes could be considered; offenses that wouldn’t directly affect the property or neighbors’ quality of life could not.

    Traffic offenses, including driving under the influence or reckless driving, would not be considered in background checks under the law. Nor would crimes like illegal camping, sidewalk violations or public urination, citations frequently that frequently affect the homeless and shouldn’t be an additional barrier to finding housing, proponents said.”

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  27. ChrisM

    “Zombies in Washington, Indiana, Nevada and Oregon also constitute 50 percent or more of the properties in foreclosure, according to the report.”

    http://homes.yahoo.com/news/more-300-000-u-homes-foreclosed-zombies-study-205029692.html

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  28. Blurtman

    “There’s a reason that education sucks, and it’s the same reason it will never ever be fixed. It’s never going to get any better, don’t look for it. Be happy with what you’ve got. Because the owners of this country don’t want that. I’m talking about the real owners now, the big, wealthy, business interests that control all things and make the big decisions. Forget the politicians, they’re irrelevant.

    Politicians are put there to give you that idea that you have freedom of choice. You don’t. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land, they own and control the corporations, and they’ve long since bought and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the State Houses, and the City Halls. They’ve got the judges in their back pockets. And they own all the big media companies so they control just about all the news and information you get to hear. They’ve got you by the balls.

    They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying to get what they want. Well, we know what they want; they want more for themselves and less for everybody else. But I’ll tell you what they don’t want—they don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. That’s against their interest. You know something, they don’t want people that are smart enough to sit around their kitchen table and figure out how badly they’re getting licked by a system that threw them overboard 30 licking years ago.” – George Carlin

    http://www.theburningplatform.com/?p=48749

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  29. softwarengineer

    RE: Blurtman @ 28

    You Said It All for Me

    About the only thing I’d add in this all professions are obviously glutted in America….if someone isn’t supporting your profession [i.e. American engineering, etc]….why should I [an American engineer] support your profession related to foreign alternates you buy versus engineered/made in America?

    Hades, if it wasn’t for Chinese sales [bigger than American]….GM’s American engineered sales would be shafted.

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  30. Scotsman

    RE: David Losh @ 23

    You’re right- thanks, Dave. I knew it didn’t sound right.

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