Posted by: Timothy Ellis (The Tim)

Tim Ellis is the founder of Seattle Bubble. His background in engineering and computer / internet technology, a fondness of data-based analysis of problems, and an addiction to spreadsheets all influence his perspective on the Seattle-area real estate market.

63 responses to “Weekly Open Thread (2014-02-10)”

  1. Kary L. Krismer

    By redmondjp @ 59:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 58 – I disagree with you on this. All of the major foreign and domestic automakers now have plants situated in the south, and they haven’t complained of the same issues.

    I’m not painting the entire south with the same brush. There are other states in the south which would have made more sense. Two or three companies have tried to do aerospace in that state, mainly at Boeing’s urging, and have given up.

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  2. Blake

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 1
    Re: “…there just isn’t enough skilled talent available locally in South Carolina.”

    That’s an understatement. My father’s company moved down to S. Carolina in the early 90s and it was a disaster… Graduates from S. Carolina colleges were barely literate, and I won’t even mention the high school graduates that he used to hire when their operations were in NE Ohio and New York. The schools down south are horrendous… plus there is the southern workplace “culture” which is very hard to change. My brother currently runs a large company in Charleston and he’s relocated many of their warehouses to other locations. It is hard to import and retain workers… plus they would have to live there! ugh!

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  3. Blake

    pfft on Hillary:”that doesn’t make you a war monger. Is she a war monger because she helped stop violence in Libya? That probably tens of thousands of lives.”

    Do you even pay attention to what is going on in the world? Libya is a frickin’ nightmare!? No central government, warlords disrupting trade and imposing sharia law… chaos, violence… it is in a spiral down towards the likes of Somalia. It is telling that the US coprporate media doesn’t report anything about Libya these days, eh? (And only a partisan Democrat would point at Libya with pride…) Use the internet… read something before you shoot your mouth off bragging about Hillary and Libya…
    http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n01/patrick-cockburn/hazards-of-revolution
    http://www.unz.com/article/the-secret-war-in-libya/

    Oh… $aint Hillary:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hillary-clinton-keeps-busy-giving-paid-speeches-to-industry-groups/2013/07/11/94abdfc6-e9aa-11e2-a301-ea5a8116d211_story.html
    -snip- In the six months since stepping down as secretary of state, Clinton has addressed apartment-complex developers in Dallas, private-equity managers in Los Angeles and business executives in Grand Rapids, Mich. Still to come are travel agents, real estate brokers, clinical pathologists and car dealers — collecting more than $200,000 per appearance, according to one executive who arranges speaking tours.

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2013/12/wall-street-white-house-republicans-lament-of-the-plutocrats-101047.html#ixzz2swSMxnbT
    -snip- But Clinton offered a message that the collected plutocrats found reassuring, according to accounts offered by several attendees, declaring that the banker-bashing so popular within both political parties was unproductive and indeed foolish.

    and: “Hillary Clinton spoke at two separate Goldman Sachs events on the evenings of Thursday, October 24 and Tuesday, October 29. As both Politico and the New York Times report, Clinton’s fee is about $200,000 per speech, meaning she likely netted around $400,000 for her paid gigs at Goldman over the course of six days.”

    Hillary and Bill are worth well over $100 million now… and rising fast! Daughter Chelsea and her Goldman Sachs husband just got a $15 million New York apartment.. These are the leaders the Dems want to take on big business and represent the working and middle class Americans? Oiii
    >> Let’s all vow here to work in the years ahead to make sure that no Clinton or Bush family member is ever elected President again!?

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  4. Kary L. Krismer

    I think Boeing is overlooking some more qualified candidates in SC. ;-)

    http://goo.gl/nLYFaK (link to video of a crow).

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  5. redmondjp

    Sometimes it does pay to procrastinate (Snoho Co homeowners now off the hook for developer and impact fees):

    http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20140210/NEWS01/140219974

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  6. Erik

    RE: Blake @ 2
    Charleston is awesome. I would want to live there. I am trying to move to Charleston as opposed to finding another job in this area. I think it is beautiful down there and not that expensive either compared to here. I would only live downtown charleston. I have only been there for a day, but I thought it was a paradise. Why do you think it is a bad place to live?

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  7. Dr Rick

    RE: Blake @ 3

    At least she’s keeping busy.

    Fel temp reeparatio

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  8. pfft

    By Blake @ 3:

    pfft on Hillary:”that doesn’t make you a war monger. Is she a war monger because she helped stop violence in Libya? That probably tens of thousands of lives.”

    Do you even pay attention to what is going on in the world? Libya is a frickin’ nightmare!? No central government, warlords disrupting trade and imposing sharia law… chaos, violence… it is in a spiral down towards the likes of Somalia. It is telling that the US coprporate media doesn’t report anything about Libya these days, eh? (And only a partisan Democrat would point at Libya with pride…) Use the internet… read something before you shoot your mouth off bragging about Hillary and Libya…

    you are an idiot. Benghazi was about to be smashed to pieces by the Libyan army. He had already attacked unarmed protestors. I can bet you anything the citizens of Benghazi are glad the US intervened.

    as for the other stuff. hillary is too pro-corporate. nothing new there.

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  9. Blurtman

    The U.S. May Be Planning to Kill Another U.S. Citizen

    The target is rumored to be a Seattle area realtor, according to unnamed sources.

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2014/02/10/ap_report_the_u_s_may_be_planning_to_kill_another_u_s_citizen_abroad.html

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  10. Blurtman

    RE: Blake @ 3 – You may only choose from a moderate Republican who will appear to throw bread at the masses, or a conservative Republican who won’t.

    Either candidate will be:
    * Pro corporate
    * Pro war

    I hope Fred Thomspon runs. “Perhaps you remember me from my many roles in naked gladiator movies.”

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  11. pfft

    By Blurtman @ 10:

    RE: Blake @ 3 – You may only choose from a moderate Republican who will appear to throw bread at the masses, or a conservative Republican who won’t.

    Either candidate will be:
    * Pro corporate
    * Pro war

    I hope Fred Thomspon runs. “Perhaps you remember me from my many roles in naked gladiator movies.”

    I like how you group everything into pro and anti. must be a nice little world you live in.

    Do you think Bill Clinton should be praised for not intervening in Rwanda as hundreds of thousands were killed? If he did intervene would you label him pro-war? a war monger perhaps? Should the world have gotten a nobel prize for not intervening in Rwanda?

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  12. Kary L. KRISMER

    See By Blurtman @ 9:

    The U.S. May Be Planning to Kill Another U.S. Citizen

    The target is rumored to be a Seattle area realtor, according to unnamed sources.

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2014/02/10/ap_report_the_u_s_may_be_planning_to_kill_another_u_s_citizen_abroad.html

    According to pfft, that is totally false. The Constitution is alive and well.

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  13. Blurtman

    RE: pfft @ 11 – The real question is that if you can be legally targeted for death for plotting to kill Americans, what if you kill thousands of Americans in a pointless war?

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  14. Blurtman

    RE: pfft @ 11 – I salute the entrenched machines, citizen. Hail to our rulers! Hail!

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  15. softwarengineer

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 1

    Aerospace Compared to Automotive Manufacturing

    Is apples and oranges, so I’d tend to agree with Kary that limited production custom assembly [riveting and composites] for aerospace is far more skilled labor intensive than slapping together Japanese engineered parts on a MASS production assembly line in America…..the wages should be lower too.

    I’d add too that with “producibility” [having the American engineers next to the American assembly plants for design improvements] is basically gone fom “made in America” cars, with higher paid Japanese engineers….this means the “slap together” doesn’t even require design upgrade changes from producibilty [that makes it even easier to build these subpar domestic assembled automobiles]. Without domestic engineer producibility in more complex aerospace manufacturing; you never get it right, i.e., the outsourced 787.

    Have you noticed as companies like Toyota gets plagued by defects [whether they admit it or not], irrespective, the brainwashed buyers line up for them anyway?….LOL….sounds kinda like our local real estate market too.

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  16. Kary L. Krismer

    By Blurtman @ 13:

    RE: pfft @ 11 – The real question is that if you can be legally targeted for death for plotting to kill Americans, what if you kill thousands of Americans in a pointless war?

    Chill, Blurtman. Put this in perspective. He’s just openly ordering the purposeful killing of American citizens.

    At least Obama isn’t secretly putting a wash cloth on their face and then pouring water on it. That would generate calls for impeachment.

    He isn’t possible involved in creating commuter traffic. That would be a huge political scandal.

    And remember, Obama is the anti-war candidate, from the anti-war party. Totally different than before. Democrats and Republicans are nothing alike. Look how they’re fighting like cats and dogs over Snowden, Citizens United and this targetted killing issue. Totally different animals.

    Get your head on straight and calm down! Pay attention to what the TV tells you to.

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  17. Blake

    RE: pfft @ 8
    pfft wrote to me: “you are an idiot. Benghazi was about to be smashed to pieces by the Libyan army. He had already attacked unarmed protestors. I can bet you anything the citizens of Benghazi are glad the US intervened.’

    Thanks, from you that is a compliment! (Btw: in regards to Libya, I know quite a bit because my best friend of 35 years was working in Libya with the US Ambassador – who was ultimately killed by the jihadis that the US was using to spread “regime change”…)
    Pfft… you are like Pavlov’s dog in regard to US propaganda claims. I would think that after years of pro-war propaganda you would be more skeptical, but the key to people like you is that if it was W. Bush and Cheney feeding you the lies about Libya you would be skeptical, but since it was Barack and Hillary you lap it up! That’s why the two party system is so effective! Luckily, most Americans are increasingly skeptical of the pro-war propaganda in the corporate media… I hope you will learn.

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/08/31/the-top-ten-myths-in-the-war-against-libya/
    -snip- “The best evidence that Khadafy did not plan genocide in Benghazi is that he did not perpetrate it in the other cities he had recaptured either fully or partially—including Zawiya, Misurata, and Ajdabiya, which together have a population greater than Benghazi….Khadafy’s acts were a far cry from Rwanda, Darfur, Congo, Bosnia, and other killing fields….Despite ubiquitous cellphones equipped with cameras and video, there is no graphic evidence of deliberate massacre….Nor did Khadafy ever threaten civilian massacre in Benghazi, as Obama alleged. The ‘no mercy’ warning, of March 17, targeted rebels only, as reported by The New York Times, which noted that Libya’s leader promised amnesty for those ‘who throw their weapons away’. Khadafy even offered the rebels an escape route and open border to Egypt, to avoid a fight ‘to the bitter end’.”

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/amnesty-questions-claim-that-gaddafi-ordered-rape-as-weapon-of-war-2302037.html
    -snip – “US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton last week said she was “deeply concerned” that Gaddafi’s troops were participating in widespread rape in Libya. “Rape, physical intimidation, sexual harassment, and even so-called ‘virginity tests’ have taken place in countries throughout the region,” she said. Donatella Rovera, senior crisis response adviser for Amnesty International, who was in Libya for three months after the start of the uprising, says that “we have not found any evidence or a single victim of rape or a doctor who knew about somebody being raped. She stresses this does not prove that mass rape did not occur but there is no evidence to show that it did. Liesel Gerntholtz, head of women’s rights at Human Rights Watch, which also investigated the charge of mass rape, said: “We have not been able to find evidence.”.

    … what a surprise that the US President, Secretary of State and US media would spread pro-war propaganda!? I am shocked.. shocked I tell you!

    Allegations that Khadafy “might” have killed thousands in Benghazi should be weighed against the reality that the WHOLE country of 6 million people has now collapsed into chaos and the jihadists and war lords are in power… and this is a nightmare for the young girls and women of Libya! But pfft is proud… I am sure that the women of Libya, Iraq, and Afghanistan are thankful that Jean Kirkpatrick, Madeline Albright, Susan Rice, Samantha Powers, and Hillary Clinton helped liberate them from socialist regimes and paved the way for a “nice conservative religious upbringing”… ironic isn’t it?
    (Next: “Helping” the women of Syria…)

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  18. Kary L. Krismer

    By Blake @ 17:

    I would think that after years of pro-war propaganda you would be more skeptical, but the key to people like you is that if it was W. Bush and Cheney feeding you the lies about Libya you would be skeptical, but since it was Barack and Hillary you lap it up! That’s why the two party system is so effective! Luckily, most Americans are increasingly skeptical of the pro-war propaganda in the corporate media… I hope you will learn.

    Partisan Democrats (like pfft) and partisan Republicans probably make up about 75% or more of this country. They don’t think, they react.

    I think your last sentence is a bit overly optimistic.

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  19. softwarengineer

    SWE’s Monthly Seattle Investment Report

    Sorry, its a little late [probably because it was a little depressing too]:

    Jan 0.21% 1.58% (3.45%) (1.91%) (4.03%)
    YTD 0.21% 1.58% (3.45%) (1.91%) (4.03%)
    Last 12 mo 1.98% 0.44% 21.58% 26.88% 12.21%

    In order:

    Longterm CDs
    Longterm Bonds
    US Cumulative Stock Growth or Degradation
    Foreign Cumulative Stock Growth or Degradation
    Foreign Cumulative Stock Growth or Degradation

    January was a HORRIFYING month for equities, albeit, if you had it invested the last 12 months you’re still smiling, just not so wide a smile anymore….February 2014 is starting out better than last month….but we’ll see….

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  20. Blake

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 18
    Kary… I think your estimate of 75% of Americans being closed-minded partisans may be a bit low… Sadly there is little room for open debate and discussion anymore. My family asked me to stop criticising Obama years ago… and next they will tell me to not sat anything bad about $aint Hillary! So it goes…

    Pfft and others… the reason why I criticise Hillary and the corporate/national security Democratic elites is because they are the crucial “swing votes” getting us into Iraq, Libya (Syria, Iran – - god help us?)… and also liberalizing banking regulation (Thank you Bill Clinton!) If people want “real change” then stop pointing the fingers ONLY at the Tea Party and Boehner… They all lie. They are politicians… that’s what they do!
    It’s nothing new… Learn about American history… go read Walter Karp’s great book:
    http://www.amazon.com/Politics-War-Political-American-Republic/dp/1879957558
    Karp would have been more famous if he’d pointed the finger at the Dems or the Republicans… but he had the temerity to blame BOTH parties!

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  21. softwarengineer

    RE: Blake @ 20

    Two Corporist Peas in Pod

    Are the Democrat and Republican Parties today….then they blame us voters for the dismal candidate choices the corporists fund with bribe money.

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  22. wreckingbull

    RE: Blake @ 20 – Constituents are rather out of touch. Not just pfft. For example, Rick Larsen, in our state’s 2nd district, is a democrat. I rarely ever hear anyone criticize his wanton efforts for growing the Whidbey NAS war machine at all costs – both financial and environmental. He puts most Republican war mongers to shame.

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  23. Kary L. Krismer

    RE: wreckingbull @ 22 – People don’t mind when politicians bring home federal money to their district. That’s one big part of the reason we’ve had so much deficit spending the past 40 years.

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  24. Blurtman

    Consume and obey.

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  25. Blake

    RE: wreckingbull @ 22
    Yes, my parents live up on Whidbey and are always disappointed by Rep. Larsen… but the voters there will never punish him for bringing home the bacon. Our govt is on autopilot and this is how Empires crumble… building and maintaining billion dollar white elephants.

    http://www.stripes.com/news/us/pentagon-drops-plan-to-retire-uss-george-washington-1.266169
    The Pentagon will not retire one of its nuclear-powered aircraft carriers after the White House intervened to head off a political fight, the Wall Street Journal reported late Thursday.

    A 2013 strategic review by Hagel on the impact of the mandated spending cuts found the U.S. could reduce the carrier fleet to eight or nine — still equal the number of carriers operated worldwide by seven other nations. But it soon became clear that any proposal endorsed by the White House to retire an aircraft carrier likely would have been blocked by Congress, opening Democrats to election-year criticism, officials familiar with the discussions told the paper.

    … But we can party!!!
    http://www.dvidshub.net/news/120006/uss-george-washington-hosts-super-bowl-xlviii-party

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  26. Dirty Renter in Banjo Country

    Right on, Blake.
    We got to ‘take on’ Big Bidness.
    Let’s start locally w/ Microsoft, Boeing, Costco, Amazon, Starbucks, & Paccar.
    Bust ‘em up, they’re industry leaders.
    What’s really depressing is that we’ll have to leave the US banksters alone, as there’s only 1 in the top 10 of the world’s largest banks.
    Dang.

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  27. Kary L. Krismer

    By Blurtman @ 24:

    Consume and obey.

    Back in the days of radio (2002), I was listening to someone (Dave Ross??) and he was commenting on how during WWII people were coached to conserve materials for the war effort, but that for the “war on terror” we were being coached to “go shopping.”

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  28. softwarengineer
  29. wreckingbull

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 27 – Indeed. Those were those quaint times when we actually paid for wars. Mention the word ‘war bond’ today and you would get a blank stare.

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  30. softwarengineer

    RE: wreckingbull @ 29

    Those Were Also the Days

    When our defense budget made systems with American made manufacturing predominantly….boy has that changed. Even commercial A/C aren’t domestic anymore; we don’t make a lion’s share of the parts anymore….i.e., the 767 Tanker….

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  31. Blake

    RE: softwarengineer @ 30
    The US has never had a coherent national industrial policy… unlike Germany – now the world’s largest exporter. US corporations are not patriotic at all, in spite of all their BS TV ads….

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  32. softwarengineer

    RE: Blake @ 31

    What US Corporations?

    Is Boeing even American anymore?….

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  33. softwarengineer

    RE: Blake @ 31

    When I Saw a Toyota Ad Today in Popular Mechanics Endorsed by the Chamber of Commerce [a heavily bought off foreign/corporist entity for overpopulation and slashed American wages now]

    Advertising jobs for American Vets, I knew American engineers were doomed….

    Soon, we’ll all be working for Asian Overlords?

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  34. Kary L. Krismer

    The contest for biggest dirtbag–real estate agent category has a winner.

    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-oc-lexus-slaying-20140211,0,6471992.story#axzz2t9s3So5t

    Quite the story, and quite sick too.

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  35. pfft

    By Kary L. KRISMER @ 12:

    See By Blurtman @ 9:
    The U.S. May Be Planning to Kill Another U.S. Citizen

    The target is rumored to be a Seattle area realtor, according to unnamed sources.

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2014/02/10/ap_report_the_u_s_may_be_planning_to_kill_another_u_s_citizen_abroad.html

    According to pfft, that is totally false. The Constitution is alive and well.

    you got the court cases to prove me wrong?

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  36. pfft

    By Blake @ 17:

    RE: pfft @ 8
    pfft wrote to me: “you are an idiot. Benghazi was about to be smashed to pieces by the Libyan army. He had already attacked unarmed protestors. I can bet you anything the citizens of Benghazi are glad the US intervened.’

    Thanks, from you that is a compliment! (Btw: in regards to Libya, I know quite a bit because my best friend of 35 years was working in Libya with the US Ambassador – who was ultimately killed by the jihadis that the US was using to spread “regime change”…)
    Pfft… you are like Pavlov’s dog in regard to US propaganda claims. I would think that after years of pro-war propaganda you would be more skeptical, but the key to people like you is that if it was W. Bush and Cheney feeding you the lies about Libya you would be skeptical, but since it was Barack and Hillary you lap it up! That’s why the two party system is so effective! Luckily, most Americans are increasingly skeptical of the pro-war propaganda in the corporate media… I hope you will learn.

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/08/31/the-top-ten-myths-in-the-war-against-libya/
    -snip- “The best evidence that Khadafy did not plan genocide in Benghazi is that he did not perpetrate it in the other cities he had recaptured either fully or partially—including Zawiya, Misurata, and Ajdabiya, which together have a population greater than Benghazi….Khadafy’s acts were a far cry from Rwanda, Darfur, Congo, Bosnia, and other killing fields….Despite ubiquitous cellphones equipped with cameras and video, there is no graphic evidence of deliberate massacre….Nor did Khadafy ever threaten civilian massacre in Benghazi, as Obama alleged. The ‘no mercy’ warning, of March 17, targeted rebels only, as reported by The New York Times, which noted that Libya’s leader promised amnesty for those ‘who throw their weapons away’. Khadafy even offered the rebels an escape route and open border to Egypt, to avoid a fight ‘to the bitter end’.”

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/amnesty-questions-claim-that-gaddafi-ordered-rape-as-weapon-of-war-2302037.html
    -snip – “US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton last week said she was “deeply concerned” that Gaddafi’s troops were participating in widespread rape in Libya. “Rape, physical intimidation, sexual harassment, and even so-called ‘virginity tests’ have taken place in countries throughout the region,” she said. Donatella Rovera, senior crisis response adviser for Amnesty International, who was in Libya for three months after the start of the uprising, says that “we have not found any evidence or a single victim of rape or a doctor who knew about somebody being raped. She stresses this does not prove that mass rape did not occur but there is no evidence to show that it did. Liesel Gerntholtz, head of women’s rights at Human Rights Watch, which also investigated the charge of mass rape, said: “We have not been able to find evidence.”.

    … what a surprise that the US President, Secretary of State and US media would spread pro-war propaganda!? I am shocked.. shocked I tell you!

    Allegations that Khadafy “might” have killed thousands in Benghazi should be weighed against the reality that the WHOLE country of 6 million people has now collapsed into chaos and the jihadists and war lords are in power… and this is a nightmare for the young girls and women of Libya! But pfft is proud… I am sure that the women of Libya, Iraq, and Afghanistan are thankful that Jean Kirkpatrick, Madeline Albright, Susan Rice, Samantha Powers, and Hillary Clinton helped liberate them from socialist regimes and paved the way for a “nice conservative religious upbringing”… ironic isn’t it?
    (Next: “Helping” the women of Syria…)

    I just don’t even know what to say. I really don’t. The Libyan Army fired on peaceful protestors.

    Here are the facts.

    Libyans Now Like America Slightly More Than Do Canadians
    http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/08/libyans-now-like-america-slightly-more-than-do-canadians/261078/

    Syrian rebels feel abandoned, betrayed by U.S.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/syrian-rebels-feel-abandoned-betrayed-by-us/2012/08/07/492ab1b6-dfd9-11e1-8d48-2b1243f34c85_story.html

    “I would think that after years of pro-war propaganda you would be more skeptical, but the key to people like you is that if it was W. Bush and Cheney feeding you the lies about Libya you would be skeptical, but since it was Barack and Hillary you lap it up!”

    you are an idiot. just watch the news! listen to human rights groups.

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  37. pfft

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 18:

    By Blake @ 17:
    I would think that after years of pro-war propaganda you would be more skeptical, but the key to people like you is that if it was W. Bush and Cheney feeding you the lies about Libya you would be skeptical, but since it was Barack and Hillary you lap it up! That’s why the two party system is so effective! Luckily, most Americans are increasingly skeptical of the pro-war propaganda in the corporate media… I hope you will learn.

    Partisan Democrats (like pfft)

    you really haven’t been reading anything I’ve said have you? I’ve had plenty of criticism of Obama.

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  38. pfft

    By Blurtman @ 24:

    Consume and obey.

    you’re so zerohedge bro!

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  39. pfft

    Do you think Bill Clinton should be praised for not intervening in Rwanda as hundreds of thousands were killed? If he did intervene would you label him pro-war? a war monger perhaps? Should the world have gotten a nobel prize for not intervening in Rwanda?

    It is very telling that nobody answered the question. We all know why. You can all throw the word warmonger around but nobody answered my question. History has always regretted not intervening in Rwandas soon enough. Nobody sits around second guessing or eventually involvement in the former Yugoslavia other than that we should have done so earlier. Books are written lamenting not intervening in Rwanda not the other way around.

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  40. Kary L. Krismer

    By pfft @ 35:

    By Kary L. KRISMER @ 12:
    See By Blurtman @ 9:
    The U.S. May Be Planning to Kill Another U.S. Citizen

    The target is rumored to be a Seattle area realtor, according to unnamed sources.

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2014/02/10/ap_report_the_u_s_may_be_planning_to_kill_another_u_s_citizen_abroad.html

    According to pfft, that is totally false. The Constitution is alive and well.

    you got the court cases to prove me wrong?

    How about reading post 406 in the Health Care thread, which is right before your post 407 which was posted four minutes before you posted this. Is your memory now so bad that you don’t even remember things from 4 minutes ago?

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  41. Kary L. Krismer

    By pfft @ 37:

    Partisan Democrats (like pfft)

    you really haven’t been reading anything I’ve said have you? I’ve had plenty of criticism of Obama.

    What? That he doesn’t force everyone to spend $1,000 a month on insurance covering flower essence treatments and yoga?

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  42. Blurtman

    Yes, an undergraduate degree in European History is well known to be the ticket to the good life. This unfortunate fellow’s demise and subsequent notoriety illustrates who we have bailed out and who our government compels us to worship. The wealthy elite play by their own rules, rules which do not apply to you or your offspring.

    Another JPMorgan Banker Dies, 37 Year Old Executive Director Of Program Trading

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-12/another-jpmorgan-banker-dies-37-year-old-executive-director-program-trading

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  43. Dirty Renter in Banjo Country

    RE: Blurtman @ 41
    I’ve always thought Mickey O’Neil was tougher than Tyler Durden.

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  44. Blake

    By Blake @ 17:

    RE: pfft @ 8
    I just don’t even know what to say. I really don’t. The Libyan Army fired on peaceful protestors.

    Here are the facts.

    Libyans Now Like America Slightly More Than Do Canadians
    http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/08/libyans-now-like-america-slightly-more-than-do-canadians/261078/

    Syrian rebels feel abandoned, betrayed by U.S.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/syrian-rebels-feel-abandoned-betrayed-by-us/2012/08/07/492ab1b6-dfd9-11e1-8d48-2b1243f34c85_story.html

    “I would think that after years of pro-war propaganda you would be more skeptical, but the key to people like you is that if it was W. Bush and Cheney feeding you the lies about Libya you would be skeptical, but since it was Barack and Hillary you lap it up!”

    you are an idiot. just watch the news! listen to human rights groups.

    So pfft, you “watch the news” on the TeeVee…? That explains a lot about your world view and why you are so much better infomred than I am about Libya!

    http://fair.org/extra-online-articles/network-tv8217s-attention-deficit-after-gadhafi/
    -snip – By early 2012, the networks had nothing more to report from Libya, with coverage of post-Gadhafi Libya down to single-digit mentions. None of these included the story of Libyan civilians storming the headquarters of the National Transitional Council while its chair was still inside (Reuters, 1/22/12), or any of the ongoing violence and instability still plaguing the country, which included a particularly violent week in late March that resulted in 147 deaths (Business Week, 4/1/12). In fact, mentions of Libya in 2012 on the major networks were mostly discussions about the country as a model for Syrian intervention, with commentators lamenting it wouldn’t be as easy (e.g., CBS, 3/7/12).

    And that was from 2012… in 2013 Libya really disintegrated and the US corporate media and politicians couldn’t care less! You wonder why they aren’t reporting about Libya any more?

    And re: “Syrian rebels feel abandoned, betrayed by U.S.”
    … I bet you saw reports about those “moderate rebels” on your TeeVee?

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/05/us-syria-crisis-usa-rebels-idUSBRE98405L20130905
    Secretary of State John Kerry’s public assertions that moderate Syrian opposition groups are growing in influence appear to be at odds with estimates by U.S. and European intelligence sources and nongovernmental experts, who say Islamic extremists remain by far the fiercest and best-organized rebel elements.

    Those rebels are the BFF of our buddies the Saudis… known for their extreme moderatation!
    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2013/10/syria-your-moderate-cuddly-homegrown-al-qaeda.html
    -snip – There seems to be a media campaign designed to differentiate between the “really bad Al-Qaeda terrorists” in Syria and the “maybe good moderate Al-Qaeda rebels”.
    LMFAO….

    We have been pouring weapons into Syria for over three years – into the hands of these nice fellows. In fact: after we used these Salafi fanatics to help depose Khaddafy, we started shipping them and their weapons from Libya to Syria… at least until they turned on us and killed out Ambassador…) Somone should ask “How’s that working out?”

    http://www.unz.com/pcockburn/the-destruction-of-the-idols-syrias-patrimony-at-risk-from-extremists/
    -snip- In mid-January the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isis), an al-Qa’ida-type movement controlling much of north-east Syria, blew up and destroyed a sixth-century Byzantine mosaic near the city of Raqqa on the Euphrates. Other sites destroyed by Islamic fundamentalists include the reliefs carved at the Shash Hamdan, a Roman cemetery in Aleppo province. Also in the Aleppo countryside, statues carved out of the sides of a valley at al-Qatora have been deliberately targeted by gunfire and smashed into fragments.

    Professor Maamoun Abdulkarim, general director of antiquities and museums at the Ministry of Culture in Damascus, says that extreme Islamic iconoclasm puts many antiquities at risk. An expert on the Roman and early Christian periods in Syria, he says: “I am sure that if the crisis continues in Syria we shall have the destruction of all the crosses from the early Christian world, mosaics with mythological figures and thousands of Greek and Roman statues.” … The great church at St Simeon has been turned into a military training area and artillery range by rebels.

    Pfft, you can stand with Condi Rice and tell the Syrians that this is just the “birth pangs of democracy!” Suck it up!

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  45. Kary L. Krismer

    RE: Blake @ 44 – LOL. At least by watching TV news you’ll learn that there’s bad whether somewhere. And more importantly, you’ll learn what you are supposed to think, a task pfft has mastered well.

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  46. Blake

    By pfft @ 39:

    Do you think Bill Clinton should be praised for not intervening in Rwanda as hundreds of thousands were killed? If he did intervene would you label him pro-war? a war monger perhaps? Should the world have gotten a nobel prize for not intervening in Rwanda?

    It is very telling that nobody answered the question. We all know why. You can all throw the word warmonger around but nobody answered my question. History has always regretted not intervening in Rwandas soon enough. Nobody sits around second guessing or eventually involvement in the former Yugoslavia other than that we should have done so earlier. Books are written lamenting not intervening in Rwanda not the other way around.

    I did respond to this by quoting several experts and human right officials that noted that Khaddafy did not massacre civilians in any of the half dozen cities he retook prior to Benghazi and he opened a corridor to Egypt to allow those in Banghazi (fighters too) to escape if needed to avoid a bloodbath. The US media was shouting “MASS RAPES!”… “GENOCIDE!”… You were fed pro-war propaganda. Do you realize that now? . Now you still shout “RWANDA!!”… why? You know that Bush-Cheney fed us a lot of propaganda about Iraq… Do you acknowledge that Obama-Clinton and other Dems were feeding us pro-war propaganda about Libya… and now Syria? It’s bad sh*t… you should turn off your TeeVee.

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  47. Blake

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 45:

    RE: Blake @ 44 – LOL. At least by watching TV news you’ll learn that there’s bad whether somewhere. And more importantly, you’ll learn what you are supposed to think, a task pfft has mastered well.

    oiii… I have a sister who only watches TV news… she worships Obama. She’s my sounding board on what the latest “crisis” that the US/Obama must solve!!! Frightening…

    btw: I highly recommend this piece:
    http://nationalinterest.org/article/america-unhinged-9639
    -snip- The story is this: America’s national-security elites act on the assumption that every nook and cranny of the globe is of great strategic significance and that there are threats to U.S. interests everywhere. Not surprisingly, they live in a constant state of fear. This fearful outlook is reflected in the comments of the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Martin Dempsey, before Congress in February 2012: “I can’t impress upon you that in my personal military judgment, formed over thirty-eight years, we are living in the most dangerous time in my lifetime, right now.” In February 2013, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton stated that Americans “live in very complex and dangerous times,” and the following month Senator James Inhofe said, “I don’t remember a time in my life where the world has been more dangerous and the threats more diverse.”

    This perspective is influential, widespread—and wrong. Contrary to the conventional wisdom, the United States is a remarkably secure country. No great power in world history comes close to enjoying the security it does today.

    Lately, I’ve been reading quite a bit about the 50s and 60s – Cold war, Berlin crisis, Cuban missle crisis, etc. For Dempsey, Hillary, and Sen. Inhofe to make those statements that “we are living in the most dangerous time in my lifetime” is just ridiculous and symptomatic of an insane obsession that the US must intervene everywhere! We should hold these people up to ridicule and try to remove them from power…

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  48. Dr Rick

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 45:

    RE: Blake @ 44 – LOL. At least by watching TV news you’ll learn that there’s bad whether somewhere. And more importantly, you’ll learn what you are supposed to think, a task pfft has mastered well.

    http://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Occupy_HOPE-500×753.gif

    This seems appropriate.

    Fel temp, baby. Fel temp.

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  49. Blurtman

    It is time to kill, citizens. REDRUM.

    “US Congressman Jimmy Hayes of Louisiana — a conservative Democrat who supported the Gulf War — later estimated that the government of Kuwait funded as many as 20 PR, law and lobby firms in its campaign to mobilize US opinion and force against Hussein.72 Participating firms included the Rendon Group, which received a retainer of $100,000 per month for media work, and Neill & Co., which received $50,000 per month for lobbying Congress. Sam Zakhem, a former US ambassador to the oil-rich gulf state of Bahrain, funneled $7.7 million in advertising and lobbying dollars through two front groups, the “Coalition for Americans at Risk” and the “Freedom Task Force.” The Coalition, which began in the 1980s as a front for the contras in Nicaragua, prepared and placed TV and newspaper ads, and kept a stable of fifty speakers available for pro-war rallies and publicity events.

    Hill & Knowlton, then the world’s largest PR firm, served as mastermind for the Kuwaiti campaign. Its activities alone would have constituted the largest foreign-funded campaign ever aimed at manipulating American public opinion. By law, the Foreign Agents Registration Act should have exposed this propaganda campaign to the American people, but the Justice Department chose not to enforce it. Nine days after Saddam’s army marched into Kuwait, the Emir’s government agreed to fund a contract under which Hill & Knowlton would represent “Citizens for a Free Kuwait,” a classic PR front group designed to hide the real role of the Kuwaiti government and its collusion with the Bush administration. Over the next six months, the Kuwaiti government channeled $11.9 million dollars to Citizens for a Free Kuwait, whose only other funding totalled $17,861 from 78 individuals. Virtually all of CFK’s budget — $10.8 million — went to Hill & Knowlton in the form of fees.”

    http://www.prwatch.org/books/tsigfy10.html

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  50. Ira Sacharoff
  51. Kary L. Krismer

    Apparently it snowed at Boeing’s Charlotte 787 plant, and they put their top employee right on it! ;-)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Alc1SHmkSiw

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  52. Kary L. Krismer

    RE: Ira Sacharoff @ 50 – I don’t think you can underestimate the impact of the back side, where those loans were sold. Wall Street fell for the argument that it’s “safe” because it’s “secured by real estate,” and that meant they could sell the loans for relatively low returns. I don’t see that happening again for at least 7 years! ;-)

    Stated differently, there’s not really a problem with high risk loans as long as they’re treated like and priced like high risk loans.

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  53. Kary L. Krismer

    The comments in a thread earlier this week was the inspiration for my latest blog piece on the topic of Form 35′s subjective inspection standard.

    http://www.trulia.com/blog/kary_l_krismer/2014/02/form_35_the_subjective_standard_benefits_sellers_as_well_as_buyers

    Basically, it’s not as bad for sellers as what they might think.

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  54. Blurtman

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 52 – Wall Street didn’t fall for anything. Even amateurs could point to recent RE crashes, e.g., CA in the 80′s. So this oft repeated meme is obviously not true. Recall that Wall Street was selling MBS to investors that were basically only names, with no mortgages in them. Kind of like the Florida RE development scams of the past. Investor demand was insatiable, and a greedy Wall Street reached lower and lower to stuff the MBS with crap mortgages, and engaged in cheesy marketing, e.g., touting the incredible work of physicists that they hired who ostensibly created algorithms that you could not understand so don’t bother showing that lead can be made into gold.

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  55. Kary L. Krismer

    RE: Blurtman @ 54 – I’m using the term “Wall Street” broadly, to include investors too.

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  56. pfft

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 41:

    By pfft @ 37:

    Partisan Democrats (like pfft)

    you really haven’t been reading anything I’ve said have you? I’ve had plenty of criticism of Obama.

    What? That he doesn’t force everyone to spend $1,000 a month on insurance covering flower essence treatments and yoga?what? is that a chain email you got?

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  57. pfft

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 40:

    By pfft @ 35:
    By Kary L. KRISMER @ 12:
    See By Blurtman @ 9:
    The U.S. May Be Planning to Kill Another U.S. Citizen

    The target is rumored to be a Seattle area realtor, according to unnamed sources.

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2014/02/10/ap_report_the_u_s_may_be_planning_to_kill_another_u_s_citizen_abroad.html

    planning on posting some court rulings?

    According to pfft, that is totally false. The Constitution is alive and well.

    you got the court cases to prove me wrong?

    How about reading post 406 in the Health Care thread, which is right before your post 407 which was posted four minutes before you posted this. Is your memory now so bad that you don’t even remember things from 4 minutes ago?

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  58. pfft

    By Blake @ 46:

    By pfft @ 39:
    Do you think Bill Clinton should be praised for not intervening in Rwanda as hundreds of thousands were killed? If he did intervene would you label him pro-war? a war monger perhaps? Should the world have gotten a nobel prize for not intervening in Rwanda?

    It is very telling that nobody answered the question. We all know why. You can all throw the word warmonger around but nobody answered my question. History has always regretted not intervening in Rwandas soon enough. Nobody sits around second guessing or eventually involvement in the former Yugoslavia other than that we should have done so earlier. Books are written lamenting not intervening in Rwanda not the other way around.

    I did respond to this by quoting several experts and human right officials that noted that Khaddafy did not massacre civilians in any of the half dozen cities he retook prior to Benghazi and he opened a corridor to Egypt to allow those in Banghazi (fighters too) to escape if needed to avoid a bloodbath. The US media was shouting “MASS RAPES!”… “GENOCIDE!”… You were fed pro-war propaganda. Do you realize that now? . Now you still shout “RWANDA!!”… why?

    oh my god. you’re hopeless.

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  59. Kary L. Krismer

    RE: pfft @ 56 – Your inability format a post is only exceeded by your inability to understand a point.

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  60. pfft

    By Blake @ 47:

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 45:
    RE: Blake @ 44 – LOL. At least by watching TV news you’ll learn that there’s bad whether somewhere. And more importantly, you’ll learn what you are supposed to think, a task pfft has mastered well.

    oiii… I have a sister who only watches TV news… she worships Obama. She’s my sounding board on what the latest “crisis” that the US/Obama must solve!!! Frightening…

    btw: I highly recommend this piece:
    http://nationalinterest.org/article/america-unhinged-9639
    -snip- The story is this: America’s national-security elites act on the assumption that every nook and cranny of the globe is of great strategic significance and that there are threats to U.S. interests everywhere. Not surprisingly, they live in a constant state of fear. This fearful outlook is reflected in the comments of the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Martin Dempsey, before Congress in February 2012: “I can’t impress upon you that in my personal military judgment, formed over thirty-eight years, we are living in the most dangerous time in my lifetime, right now.” In February 2013, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton stated that Americans “live in very complex and dangerous times,” and the following month Senator James Inhofe said, “I don’t remember a time in my life where the world has been more dangerous and the threats more diverse.”

    This perspective is influential, widespread—and wrong. Contrary to the conventional wisdom, the United States is a remarkably secure country. No great power in world history comes close to enjoying the security it does today.

    Lately, I’ve been reading quite a bit about the 50s and 60s – Cold war, Berlin crisis, Cuban missle crisis, etc. For Dempsey, Hillary, and Sen. Inhofe to make those statements that “we are living in the most dangerous time in my lifetime” is just ridiculous and symptomatic of an insane obsession that the US must intervene everywhere! We should hold these people up to ridicule and try to remove them from power…

    Inhofe is a moron. It took me two minutes of googling to find out you took Hillary Clinton’s remarks out of context. Usually it only takes me 1 minute.

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  61. pfft

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 59:

    RE: pfft @ 56 – Your inability format a post is only exceeded by your inability to understand a point.

    Exceeded only by you leaving out a word and you not having a point! I can play that game too! I grew up with a brother I can do this all day long.

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  62. pfft

    Lol.

    GOP Rep.: Climate Change ‘Unproven’
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/blackburn-climate-change-unproven

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  63. Blurtman

    RE: pfft @ 62 – She is waiting for the Rapture.

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