Weekly Open Thread (2015-04-27)

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About The Tim

Tim Ellis is the founder of Seattle Bubble. His background in engineering and computer / internet technology, a fondness of data-based analysis of problems, and an addiction to spreadsheets all influence his perspective on the Seattle-area real estate market.

53 comments:

  1. 1

    Californication and Overpopulation

    Of Seattle Washington is a quality life? I suppose the hopeless alcoholic would consider a good supply of booze a positive life style too.

  2. 2
    Blurtman says:

    Hence the need for interplanetary exploration. Terran trash getting ready to spread. There will likely be an emerging planetary environmental remediation business in the next century.

  3. 3

    RE: Blurtman @
    Mars Has Radioactive Isotopes in Its Thin Freezing Cold Atmosphere

    Apparently, from massive advanced civilization nuclear explosions eons ago…..how else did the isotopes get there? The Tooth Fairy? So that small world is likely uninhabitable.

    How about other stars and earthlike planets out there….we really need quantum physics and time travel with worm holes to travel star to star…whether man can accomplish that in 100 years is anyone’s guess. Nope, we’re stuck on this waterless, toxic waste dump overpopulated earth whether we like it or not. We need to pick and choose, eat or continue raising big families….

  4. 4

    By Blurtman @ :

    Hence the need for interplanetary exploration.

    Real space rather than real estate?

  5. 5

    Hey Good News Bubbleheads

    I hear since the beginning of 2010 America added about 12M jobs….the bad news, all the wage gains went to the top 1-10% household incomes. The other 90-99% of us saw wage stagnation the last 3 decades [yes, even during the Clinton administration WTO transformation of the Democrat party, or should I say especially since those bipartisan WTO mandates].

    More is less? That’s what’s really confusing about this “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest” asylum Seattle Real Estate history….there is no clear logic for predictions long-term. Cash bag purchases are not possible for most of the top 10% household buyers; let alone the rest of the 90% left eating cake and literally….left holding the bag. So where’s our plan and relief?

    Recreational 21 stores?

  6. 6
    pfft says:

    By softwarengineer @ :

    Hey Good News Bubbleheads

    I hear since the beginning of 2010 America added about 12M jobs….the bad news, all the wage gains went to the top 1-10% household incomes. The other 90-99% of us saw wage stagnation the last 3 decades [yes, even during the Clinton administration WTO transformation of the Democrat party, or should I say especially since those bipartisan WTO mandates].

    More is less? That’s what’s really confusing about this “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest” asylum Seattle Real Estate history….there is no clear logic for predictions long-term. Cash bag purchases are not possible for most of the top 10% household buyers; let alone the rest of the 90% left eating cake and literally….left holding the bag. So where’s our plan and relief?

    Recreational 21 stores?

    “I hear since the beginning of 2010 America added about 12M jobs”

    link.

    “all the wage gains went to the top 1-10% household incomes. The other 90-99% of us saw wage stagnation the last 3 decades ”

    link.

    “even during the Clinton administration”

    link.

  7. 7

    RE: softwarengineer @ – You see different stats on this, but the upper end estimate I’ve seen is we need 200,000 jobs a month just to keep up with population growth. That would be exactly 12 million jobs in 5 years. So that stat would indicate we’re treading water, if we do in fact need 200,000 to keep even (but again, there are different estimates of what is needed).

  8. 8
    Blake says:

    By pfft @ :

    “all the wage gains went to the top 1-10% household incomes. The other 90-99% of us saw wage stagnation the last 3 decades ”
    link.

    http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2015/01/28/3616308/income-inequality-2013/

    >> “Calculated this way, the 1 percent has captured all of the income gains.”

  9. 9
    Blake says:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @
    Yes Kary… not even treading water…
    http://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet?request_action=wh&graph_name=CE_cesbref1
    In April 2014, we finally got back to the level of jobs we had in 2008: 138m … unfortunately the US population has increased by some 12 or 13 million since 2008!!
    Gotta use that “New Math” to figure out how great things are nowadays…

  10. 10
    pfft says:

    By Kary L. Krismer @ :

    RE: softwarengineer @ – You see different stats on this, but the upper end estimate I’ve seen is we need 200,000 jobs a month just to keep up with population growth.

    1. no.

    2. link.

  11. 11
    pfft says:

    By Blake @ :

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @
    Yes Kary… not even treading water…
    http://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet?request_action=wh&graph_name=CE_cesbref1
    In April 2014, we finally got back to the level of jobs we had in 2008: 138m … unfortunately the US population has increased by some 12 or 13 million since 2008!!
    Gotta use that “New Math” to figure out how great things are nowadays…

    “unfortunately the US population has increased by some 12 or 13 million since 2008!!”

    working aged adults? that’s what population growth refers to.

  12. 12
    pfft says:

    By Blake @ :

    By pfft @ :

    “all the wage gains went to the top 1-10% household incomes. The other 90-99% of us saw wage stagnation the last 3 decades ”
    link.

    http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2015/01/28/3616308/income-inequality-2013/

    >> “Calculated this way, the 1 percent has captured all of the income gains.”

    I don’t really understand why it was calculated that way.

  13. 13

    By pfft @ :

    By Kary L. Krismer @ :

    RE: softwarengineer @ – You see different stats on this, but the upper end estimate I’ve seen is we need 200,000 jobs a month just to keep up with population growth.

    1. no.

    2. link.

    Seriously, you’re going to deny that there are different stats on this figure? Or are you denying that they top out at 200,000. Anyway, have fun–the numbers are all over the board.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=new+jobs+requirement+2015&oq=new+jobs+require&aqs=chrome.0.0j69i57j0l4.10124j0j4&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8#q=new+jobs+population+growth

  14. 14
    pfft says:

    By Kary L. Krismer @ :

    By pfft @ :

    By Kary L. Krismer @ :

    RE: softwarengineer @ – You see different stats on this, but the upper end estimate I’ve seen is we need 200,000 jobs a month just to keep up with population growth.

    1. no.

    2. link.

    Seriously, you’re going to deny that there are different stats on this figure? Or are you denying that they top out at 200,000. Anyway, have fun–the numbers are all over the board.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=new+jobs+requirement+2015&oq=new+jobs+require&aqs=chrome.0.0j69i57j0l4.10124j0j4&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8#q=new+jobs+population+growth

    different stats don’t mean anything. who is giving different stats? just because someone says that we need x amount of jobs to keep up with population growth doesn’t mean they are right or worth listening too.

    the CBO is probably the best source and they say 90,000 per month. don’t know where you get 200,000. do you have a source or link? :)

  15. 15
    redmondjp says:

    RE: pfft @ – The necessary number is between 200K and 250K new jobs per month and has been for years.

  16. 16
    pfft says:

    By redmondjp @ :

    RE: pfft @ – The necessary number is between 200K and 250K new jobs per month and has been for years.

    just to keep up with population growth? no.

  17. 17

    RE: pfft @
    If You Need Links that State Clinton Supported the WTO Outsourcing of American Jobs Pfft

    You need to really study your Democrat Party better than that….the 1999 Battle in Seattle was just a SWE pipe dream?

  18. 18

    RE: redmondjp @

    The Big Difference Today Redmondjp

    Is the average weekly hours to employees today is 28 with no health benefits. In the 1970-1980s all the starter jobs were 40 hour weeks and health benefits…..even K-mart. That’s at $10.92/hr; I bet it decreases to 20 hrs/week at $15/hr….

    They count part time employment as a full time job too in the current cooked booked stats. Ludicrous.

  19. 19

    By redmondjp @ :

    RE: pfft @ – The necessary number is between 200K and 250K new jobs per month and has been for years.

    The number would change over time–as increasing numbers of people retire the number would go down. After 2007, when real estate prices declined, the number probably went up because many delayed their retirement. More recently the stock market has probably pushed some into retirement earlier.

    But in any case, it is clear that 12M jobs over five or six years doesn’t benefit anywhere near 12M people.

  20. 20

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @

    Add in Chain Migration Too Kary [it can multiply that population growth by 5]

    They all want to rob our Medicare and Medicaid without paying into it all their lives. Compare it to most legal citizens in America, they had family generations paying into it since the last “legal” immigration wave hit during the Industrial Revolution of the 1800s, when we actually needed more people.

    With any population growth in America, we must also consider recent migration maps of the Seattle area which currently show migration out bigger than migration in. Tacoma is the opposite, lower rents. High sanctuary city taxes [that includes property taxes for schools] for insourcing more foreign worker replacements for legal citizens is apparently driving a lion’s share of the legal citizens out of the Seattle area recently. California and New York have the same mass exodus too. Its not only overpopulation and unaffordable rents driving them out….the water drought in California [its classed bigger than the Great Depression’s Dust Bowl BTW] is another reason to flee sanctuary states’ brainlessness. Texas’ water supply is worse, big cities there are just like Mexico City now….sitting on empty wells that hit mud. We really need more people in America to fix the economy, the liberal Democrats [Republicans too] tell this to me…..LOL.

    The 100,000 fracking jobs just eliminated in Texas is probably a good thing….if they move out, they won’t be consuming the water anymore. How much water does fracking gobble up too for overpopulation oil? The lion’s share used?

  21. 21
    Blurtman says:

    RE: softwarengineer @ – Bernie Sanders 2016.

  22. 22
    Blake says:

    RE: Blurtman @
    Yeah!! Go Bernie… give em hell!
    Me thinks Liz Warren is getting increasingly pissed off by Hillary’s corporate connections and empty promises… I think Liz might be recruited into the campaign and we may actually have a VERY interestign Dem primary battle! I hope so… otherwise Hillary Inc. vs. whatever Repuglican emerges fromt he clown car will be too depressing to behold…. ugh!
    Senator Warren blasts kickbacks for brokers and subtly shames five of her fellow Senate Democrats.
    https://medium.com/bull-market/elizabeth-warren-is-not-impressed-with-your-diamond-encrusted-ring-2b590b2feed7
    -snip- Since her arrival at the United States Senate, Elizabeth Warren has broken many unspoken rules of Congress. She’s called out members of her own party’s Administration — lambasting regulators for not bringing cases against bankers. She’s joined Senator Sherrod Brown to call out President Obama on the secrecy of the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) trade agreement. And now, Senator Warren is also using her substantial megaphone to send some not-so-subtle messages to her fellow Democrats in the Senate…

  23. 23
    Blurtman says:

    Blurtman’s weekend restaurant reviews:

    Tow Eastside winners.

    1.) The Fall City Bistro – Yeah, I know, Fall City? But the owner had a restaurant in Seattle of some renown that burned down, and he brings the same skills to beautiful Fall City. The exterior of the establishment ain’t nothing to write home about, but the interior is done up to match what it is quite well. Check out the menu. The popcorn in white truffle was an unexpected delight. The Duck Won Ton Flowers quite tasty and enough for two. The Togarashi Ribs were also quite tasty. Check it out. http://www.fallcitybistro.com

    2.) Gianfranco Ristorante Italiano: In the charming Snoqualmie downtown , the dishes are as bold and in your face like a Chris Christie press conference. If that is your cup of tea, check it out. Interior ain’t too fancy, but the food is quite tasty.

    http://www.gianfrancosnoqualmie.com

  24. 24
    Blurtman says:

    RE: Blake @ – My fear is that Liz and Bernie appear to influence Hillary’s platform, fade away, and then Hillary blows off the progressive tilt once elected. And to Liza and Bernie – please go overboard on appearing to be a war hawk because the Rethugs will blast away on that perceived weakness as they had done in the past.

  25. 25
    Blake says:

    By Blurtman @ :

    RE: Blake @ – My fear is that Liz and Bernie appear to influence Hillary’s platform, fade away, and then Hillary blows off the progressive tilt once elected.

    yes, that is precisely what she would do… Obama basically did the same. At least there would be discussion and debate about importnat topics. I just don’t want to be bored… ;-)
    ps- Thx for the restaurant reviews… I’m a foodie. I really like Naan and Curry in Renton. But my partner’s house in the CD is just blocks from The Skillet, so we go there lots. Chuck’s Hop Shop is just down the street and the rotating food trucks are often amazing. Best fish n chips I’ve ever had at the Nosh food truck!!

  26. 26
    pfft says:

    By Blake @ :

    By Blurtman @ :

    RE: Blake @ – My fear is that Liz and Bernie appear to influence Hillary’s platform, fade away, and then Hillary blows off the progressive tilt once elected.

    yes, that is precisely what she would do… Obama basically did the same.

    like what. obama did most of what he said he was going to do. Stimulus. Obamacare. Fin reg. the only thing he couldn’t get done was a climate bill and he is having the EPA do that.

    Just what do you guys think Hillary will embrace that she will not follow through on? She is the Obamacare pioneer and she didn’t do it in favorable 2009. she did it in the 90s. She’s for the min wage and financial reform. there is no big divide in the democratic party. there isn’t a lot of issues that Warren and Hillary disagree on. If there is please name them.

  27. 27
    redmondjp says:

    By pfft @ :

    By Blake @ :

    By Blurtman @ :

    RE: Blake @ – My fear is that Liz and Bernie appear to influence Hillary’s platform, fade away, and then Hillary blows off the progressive tilt once elected.

    yes, that is precisely what she would do… Obama basically did the same.

    like what. obama did most of what he said he was going to do. Stimulus. Obamacare. Fin reg. the only thing he couldn’t get done was a climate bill and he is having the EPA do that.

    Just what do you guys think Hillary will embrace that she will not follow through on? She is the Obamacare pioneer and she didn’t do it in favorable 2009. she did it in the 90s. She’s for the min wage and financial reform. there is no big divide in the democratic party. there isn’t a lot of issues that Warren and Hillary disagree on. If there is please name them.

    You left ‘Close Gitmo’ off of Obama’s unfinished list as well.

  28. 28

    Is anyone else on Puget Sound Energy’s “budget” payment plan, where they calculate your average cost for the year and charge you the same amount each month? I just received my latest bill and my new payment amount is only 44.6% of the old amount! I wonder if there’s something else going on, or if that’s just a result of our mild winter?

  29. 29

    RE: Blake @
    If You Really Want to Eat Both Healthy and Cheap Like SWE

    Use your Verizon Rewards [if that’s your cell phone carrier, they are high priced so consumer beware] and buy the $10 Country Buffet Gift Cards packets for $6 and simultaneously cash in a $5.99 lunch coupon…ya eat for $3.60….no tip required either. The meat is generally “horrifying” there….fried fatty, foreign tub fish mercury seafood or tough beef….the roast chicken is OK, so is the meatloaf. Now the salad bars there are better than EQC’s Lobster Buffets….and with vegetables costing as much as meat lately, its a good choice to dish up….a very healthy meal. The place is full of retirees, low wage workers and Millenials….my friends BTW….LOL. I get their $4.99 buffet coupon breakfasts too….I pile a 1/2 lb of shredded cheddar, a cup of mushrooms and red peppers on a plate…..then they make me a delicious omelet from my own ingredients…no sodium nitrate/nitrite bacon, sausage or other breakfast meat in it, it hardens your arteries.

  30. 30

    RE: softwarengineer @ – You and Ray Pepper should dine together! ;-)

  31. 31
    pfft says:

    By redmondjp @ :

    By pfft @ :

    By Blake @ :

    By Blurtman @ :

    RE: Blake @ – My fear is that Liz and Bernie appear to influence Hillary’s platform, fade away, and then Hillary blows off the progressive tilt once elected.

    yes, that is precisely what she would do… Obama basically did the same.

    like what. obama did most of what he said he was going to do. Stimulus. Obamacare. Fin reg. the only thing he couldn’t get done was a climate bill and he is having the EPA do that.

    Just what do you guys think Hillary will embrace that she will not follow through on? She is the Obamacare pioneer and she didn’t do it in favorable 2009. she did it in the 90s. She’s for the min wage and financial reform. there is no big divide in the democratic party. there isn’t a lot of issues that Warren and Hillary disagree on. If there is please name them.

    You left ‘Close Gitmo’ off of Obama’s unfinished list as well.

    he needs Congress to go along with that.

  32. 32
    Blake says:

    RE: pfft @
    OK pfft… I’m quite busy today, but I’ll give you just a few of Obama’s unkept promises:
    1. He started early. In Oct 2007 his campaign released this statement: “To be clear: Barack will support a filibuster of any bill that includes retroactive immunity for telecommunications companies.” After he won the election, and before taking office, he not only did not filibuster the bill to provide immunity, he voted for cloture!! (this was his signal to the corporate world to “not worry” … David Brooks complimented his decision saying it was a good sign that he would not be beholden to campaign promises!)
    2. Ending Iraq War: he was pretty explicit… he would bring the troops home within 16 months of taking office… i.e. July 2010. He didn’t and negotiated to extend the deadline that Bush had agreed to (Dec 31, 2011)… when his negotiations to keep troops there into 2012 and beyond failed, he ended up withdrawing troopsDec 31, 2011 – – and then HIS SUPPORTERS GAVE HIM CREDIT FOR ENDING THE FUCKING WAR on the same schedule Bush had negotiated!? Obamabots…
    3. JP mentioned not closing Gitmo… that was pretty explicit.
    4. He repeatedly promised to include a public option in his health reform if they had a mandate requiring people to buy insurance. He secretly traded that away in the summer of 2009 (as reported by the NYTimes), yet kept up the charade as liberals raised money and fought for the public option through the Fall! Then he gave an interview to the WaPost in December and claimed (!!) that he had never campaigned on the public option! That night Jon Stewart’s crew stitched together 8 or 9 clips of Obama – in his most forceful and convincing voice – promising to not sign any health reform legislation w/o a public option!! (I am goign to miss Jon… I have a ton of respect for him.)
    5. He also promised to hold Wall Street accountable and reestablish the rule of law and order… but then appointed a corporate lawyer lackey AG who HAS NOT CHARGED ONE WALL ST CEO WITH ANY CRIMES in the last 6+ years. (HW Bush convicted over a 1,000 after the S&L crisis and W Bush went after campaign contributors associated with Enron and others after 2001…) Simply shameful… (In 2008, Obama got twice as much money from Wall St than did McCain… he has kept his promises to them evidently?)
    Gosh pfft… I thought your memory was better than that!? You getting old? Perhaps just a selective memory… :-)

  33. 33
    Blake says:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @
    I know Ray gave up eating at Claim Busters after a “bad experience”… SWE, stay away from Country Buffet before it’s too late!! (I went to OC Buffett a few times in the Midwest, but was too disgusted by the offerings… and also watching the SUV-sized people park themselves at the buffett… ugh… not a pleasant sight!)t

  34. 34
    Blurtman says:

    Hey Blake, that is a nice list. I keep reminding folks that when Obummer was on the Leno show, a mere two months into his first term, he said that the dirty little secret was that Wall Street had committed no crimes. This with absolutely zero in the way of any sort of even superficial investigation.

    He also promised transparency which was a total hoot, and he also made some booshat promises about ending the revolving door which he then quickly violated.

    And then there was Larry Summers.

    The guy is a rubber stamping corporatist stooge, but at least he is articulate. And he can correctly pronounce nuclear. The best thing he ever did was marry Michelle. She knows what a bunch of crap the whole thing is.

  35. 35
    pfft says:

    RE: Blake @

    “Ending Iraq War: he was pretty explicit… he would bring the troops home within 16 months of taking office… i.e. July 2010.”

    link.

    “JP mentioned not closing Gitmo… that was pretty explicit.:

    he needs Congress to cooperate with that and they won’t. Romney wanted to double gitmo.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/dec/8/congress-deals-death-blow-gitmo-closure/?page=all

    ” he not only did not filibuster the bill to provide immunity, he voted for cloture”

    how can a president file for cloture? you mean when he was in the Senate?

    also link please.

    “He repeatedly promised to include a public option in his health reform if they had a mandate requiring people to buy insurance.”

    in the larger context of the healthcare bill, who cares? we’ve been trying to get a bill like this for decades and you’re crowing about the public option? seriously?

    “In 2008, Obama got twice as much money from Wall St than did McCain… he has kept his promises to them evidently?)”

    link. also I guess your memory is bad…obama singed Dodd-Frank. Wall St was bitterly opposed to it and still is.

    In summation, in the larger context of the stimulus, healthcare reform and Dodd-Frank you bring up the public option? really? the insurance rate plunges and you are worried about the public option? geez.

  36. 36
    Blake says:

    RE: Blurtman @
    Oh yes… I forgot his statement on Leno, prejudicing any juries and prosecutions. Can you imagine any prosecutors in the AG office or SEC that were preparing to file charges cussing and swearing when they heard him say that? “No laws were broken!” Asshat… and he is probablhy a smart enough lawyer to know what he did.

    Yeah and the “most transparent administration ever” is such BS… His Sec of State… she was realy transparent too eh?

    Yeah Larry Summers and the committee to protect Wall Street… But as much as I hate Summers, I give him a lot of credit right now for speaking out for instrastructure spending.
    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/03/10/spending-on-our-crumbling-infrastructure/
    He’s truly worried that the US and the world economy is caught in a trap… secular stagnation. He’s right IMHO. (He is a brilliant asshole… “Secular stagnation is a situation in a rich country where real economic growth has ground to a halt or remains at a very low level due to chronic underinvestment in future potential. The lack of investment leads to falling per capita incomes over time and stagnant demand.”)
    http://larrysummers.com/imf-fourteenth-annual-research-conference-in-honor-of-stanley-fischer/

  37. 37
    Blake says:

    RE: Blake @
    That Summer’s talk is really good… it’s not long, but here are the last 4 paragraphs, which are most pertinent to our predicament and why the US economy (and housing market) is facing rough times ahead unless something dramatic changes: i.e. “how we manage an economy in which the zero nominal interest rate is a chronic and systemic inhibitor of economic activity”
    -snip-
    “But imagine a situation where natural and equilibrium interest rates have fallen significantly below zero. Then, conventional macroeconomic thinking leaves us in a very serious problem, because we all seem to agree that whereas you can keep the federal funds rate at a low level forever, it’s much harder to do extraordinary measures beyond that forever; but, the underlying problem may be there forever. It’s much more difficult to say, well, we only needed deficits during the short interval of the crisis if equilibrium interest rates cannot be achieved given the prevailing rate of inflation.

    If this view is correct, most of what might be done under the aegis of preventing a future crisis would be counterproductive, because it would, in one way or another, raise the cost of financial inter-mediation, and therefore operate to lower the equilibrium interest rate on safe liquid securities.

    Now, this may all be madness, and I may not have this right at all. But it does seem to me that four years after the successful combating of crisis, since there’s really no evidence of growth that is restoring equilibrium, one has to be concerned about a policy agenda that is doing less with monetary policy than has been done before, doing less with fiscal policy than has been done before, and taking steps whose basic purpose is to cause there to be less lending, borrowing, and inflated asset prices than there were before.

    So, my lesson from this crisis, and my overarching lesson, which I have to say I think the world has under-internalized, is that it is not over until it is over, and that time is surely not right now, and cannot be judged relative to the extent of financial panic. And that we may well need, in the years ahead, to think about how we manage an economy in which the zero nominal interest rate is a chronic and systemic inhibitor of economic activity holding our economies back below their potential. Thank you very much.

  38. 38
    Blake says:

    RE: pfft @
    Pfft: “how can a president file for cloture? you mean when he was in the Senate?”
    Yeah, you pinhead… as I wrote “After he won the election, and before taking office….”
    You get a D in reading comprehension?

    Look up your own links… it’s all out there. I didn’t make it up.

  39. 39
    pfft says:

    By Blake @ :

    RE: pfft @
    Pfft: “how can a president file for cloture? you mean when he was in the Senate?”
    Yeah, you pinhead… as I wrote “After he won the election, and before taking office….”
    You get a D in reading comprehension?

    Look up your own links… it’s all out there. I didn’t make it up.

    so yet again I have to do your homework? if you don’t have source just say so. otherwise you’re just making stuff up as far as I am concerned.

  40. 40
    ChrisM says:

    I realize I’m feeding the troll, but I’m sort of amazed Pfft wants links that confirm Obama did, in fact, promise to close Gitmo. I would assume by now anyone with an IQ over 100 would remember this.

    http://www.npr.org/2013/01/23/169922171/obamas-promise-to-close-guantanamo-prison-falls-short

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/guantanamo-bay-how-the-white-house-lost-the-fight-to-close-it/2011/04/14/AFtxR5XE_story.html

    Obama promised to end Gitmo. Anyone with an understanding of American politics would understand that needs to include Congress. Separation of powers. So trotting out an excuse that Congress didn’t magically play along doesn’t excuse Obama from making the ridiculous assertion in the first place.

    Surprisingly, no one appears to be bringing up TPP – I guess that means all the Obamabots fully support “the most transparent administration” in their secret negotiations.

    Pfft – so, I’ve provided links. Now what? I remain astonished how corrupt people like you live with yourselves. The ends justfiy the means, don’t they.

    Obama has done a heck of a job ensuring the too big to fail banks were broken up so we don’t have a repeat of 2007-2008. His Attorney General did a great job of ensuring Fast & Furious never happens again. SEC (under Obama) did a great job of enforcing existing laws wrt high frequency trading, mortgage fraud and derivatives abuses. He ended torture (Americans brought Japanese to trial when they waterboarded). He ended unconsitutional abuses of privacy by the NSA. He brought the economy out of a horrible depression. Oh, wait. No, he didn’t. Instead, he set the lowest bar for Presidential qualifications in American history.

  41. 41

    By Blake @ :

    By Blurtman @ :

    RE: Blake @ – My fear is that Liz and Bernie appear to influence Hillary’s platform, fade away, and then Hillary blows off the progressive tilt once elected.

    yes, that is precisely what she would do… Obama basically did the same. At least there would be discussion and debate about importnat topics. I just don’t want to be bored… ;-)
    ps- Thx for the restaurant reviews… I’m a foodie. I really like Naan and Curry in Renton. But my partner’s house in the CD is just blocks from The Skillet, so we go there lots. Chuck’s Hop Shop is just down the street and the rotating food trucks are often amazing. Best fish n chips I’ve ever had at the Nosh food truck!!

    Next time you’re in Renton, try Afghan Cuisine. Somewhat similar to Naan & Curry, but less expensive. And just awesome.

  42. 42

    By ChrisM @ :

    I realize I’m feeding the troll, but I’m sort of amazed Pfft wants links that confirm Obama did, in fact, promise to close Gitmo. I would assume by now anyone with an IQ over 100 would remember this.

    It’s not IQ. I have several times suggested that pfft seek medical attention for his memory problem, and I have been totally serious. At first I thought he was just a troll, but I’ve come to the conclusion he has serious memory issues.

  43. 43
    Blurtman says:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ – Give Pffft a break. It is hard to get time on the community PC, and the meds do have side effects.

  44. 44
    pfft says:

    By ChrisM @ :

    I realize I’m feeding the troll, but I’m sort of amazed Pfft wants links that confirm Obama did, in fact, promise to close Gitmo. I would assume by now anyone with an IQ over 100 would remember this.

    http://www.npr.org/2013/01/23/169922171/obamas-promise-to-close-guantanamo-prison-falls-short

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/guantanamo-bay-how-the-white-house-lost-the-fight-to-close-it/2011/04/14/AFtxR5XE_story.html

    Obama promised to end Gitmo. Anyone with an understanding of American politics would understand that needs to include Congress. Separation of powers. So trotting out an excuse that Congress didn’t magically play along doesn’t excuse Obama from making the ridiculous assertion in the first place.

    Surprisingly, no one appears to be bringing up TPP – I guess that means all the Obamabots fully support “the most transparent administration” in their secret negotiations.

    Pfft – so, I’ve provided links. Now what? I remain astonished how corrupt people like you live with yourselves. The ends justfiy the means, don’t they.

    Obama has done a heck of a job ensuring the too big to fail banks were broken up so we don’t have a repeat of 2007-2008. His Attorney General did a great job of ensuring Fast & Furious never happens again. SEC (under Obama) did a great job of enforcing existing laws wrt high frequency trading, mortgage fraud and derivatives abuses. He ended torture (Americans brought Japanese to trial when they waterboarded). He ended unconsitutional abuses of privacy by the NSA. He brought the economy out of a horrible depression. Oh, wait. No, he didn’t. Instead, he set the lowest bar for Presidential qualifications in American history.

    “Pfft – so, I’ve provided links. Now what? ”

    now always post them when you claim something?

    “I remain astonished how corrupt people like you live with yourselves. The ends justfiy the means, don’t they.”

    honestly, I have no idea what you are talking about. you are responding to what must be a caricature of what I believe. corrupt? the ends justify the means? what on earth are you babbling about?

    “Surprisingly, no one appears to be bringing up TPP – I guess that means all the Obamabots fully support “the most transparent administration” in their secret negotiations.”

    I don’t support it but nobody here seems to care or know about it.

    “Obama has done a heck of a job ensuring the too big to fail banks were broken up so we don’t have a repeat of 2007-2008.”

    Obama passed Dodd-Frank. breaking up the banks isn’t the be all that people think it is. so instead of 5 banks that fail and jeopardize the system you would feel if they were broken up into 10 that did? thousand of banks failed during the Depression. Thousands failed during the S&L crisis.

    “He ended torture”

    yes he did, perhaps you weren’t paying it was one of the first things he did once taking office.

    Obama orders CIA to stop torturing terror suspects
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/obama-orders-cia-to-stop-torturing-terror-suspects-1513428.html

    people don’t seem to have a sense of perspective. are you really complaining about fast and furious and do you realize that in the overall scheme of things it means nothing? nobody in 30 years will care. nobody will care in 100. they will care about healthcare, dodd-frank and the new climate change rules. those far far far outweigh concerns like hillary’s emails or fast and furious.

  45. 45
    pfft says:

    By Kary L. Krismer @ :

    By ChrisM @ :

    I realize I’m feeding the troll, but I’m sort of amazed Pfft wants links that confirm Obama did, in fact, promise to close Gitmo. I would assume by now anyone with an IQ over 100 would remember this.

    It’s not IQ. I have several times suggested that pfft seek medical attention for his memory problem, and I have been totally serious. At first I thought he was just a troll, but I’ve come to the conclusion he has serious memory issues.

    right right. says the person that has been blaming obamacare for everything. you blamed obamacare for a bad GDP number in the first quarter of 2014 and then now it has only been fully implemented for a year. but then you also said it hasn’t fully kicked in yet…right right.

    how hard is it to post a link? I do it all the time? I did it above in reply #39. it wasn’t that tough. TRY GOOGLE! I think google is going to be huge once people figure out they can search the internet. anyone know if it publicly traded?

  46. 46
    pfft says:

    By Blurtman @ :

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ – Give Pffft a break. It is hard to get time on the community PC, and the meds do have side effects.

    we make fun of people who have mental illnesses around here? have you no shame? what is next, handicap people?

  47. 47
    pfft says:

    Carson tells TV station he’ll seek Republican presidential nomination
    http://news.yahoo.com/carson-tells-tv-station-hell-seek-republican-presidential-230915112.html

    one more clown for the republican sideshow.

  48. 48

    RE: pfft @ – The mandate didn’t kick in until the first quarter of 2014. That’s also when the more expensive employer policies kicked in (except in states where employers could renew early and keep policies a year longer). This last winter was much worse than 2014, so the prior claims that the reduced GDP was due to the weather are even more dubious than they were before.

    As to the not fully kicked in comment, that pertains to the extended signup deadlines that many states (including Washington) have allowed this second time around. Sort of makes the mandate a joke, but it also shows the programs are having issues even in the second year. There were so many states granting extensions the feds even came up with a link for it–probably they knew you would want one! ;-)

    http://obamacarefacts.com/2015/02/18/state-by-state-obamacare-extensions-for-2015/

  49. 49

    RE: pfft @ – BTW, I just realized that you probably don’t remember what happened to GDP back in the first quarter of 2014 (or even 2015), so here’s a link.

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/charts/united-states-gdp-growth.png?s=gdp+cqoq

    Very likely employers reacted (over-reacted?) to their increased expense and burden of maintaining employees. But clearly the weather claim was BS. This year the estimate was the weather cost GDP 1/2 percent.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/29/us-usa-economy-idUSKBN0NK08520150429

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    pfft says:

    By Kary L. Krismer @ :

    RE: pfft @ – BTW, I just realized that you probably don’t remember what happened to GDP back in the first quarter, so here’s a link.

    yes I did. I very clearly sad GDP was bad in the first quarter of 2014.

    “you blamed obamacare for a bad GDP number in the first quarter of 2014”

    THANKS FOR THE LINKS! this isn’t that hard folks.

  51. 51
    pfft says:

    “This last winter was much worse than 2014, so the prior claims that the reduced GDP was due to the weather are even more dubious than they were before.”

    I don’t really know how they calculate GDP so I can’t evaluate this claim. have a link?

  52. 52
    Blurtman says:

    RE: pfft @ – Would this perhaps be an insensitive remark?

    “Do not loosen the restraints!”

  53. 53
    pfft says:

    you mad bro? oh yeah you mad. luckily obamacare covers that and the deductible isn’t that bad.

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