Weekly Open Thread (2015-07-13)

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About The Tim

Tim Ellis is the founder of Seattle Bubble. His background in engineering and computer / internet technology, a fondness of data-based analysis of problems, and an addiction to spreadsheets all influence his perspective on the Seattle-area real estate market.

54 comments:

  1. 1

    The Double Income Minority Households Lick their Chops

    No capital gains on spouse inheritance from a deceased spouse. Snippet:

    “…The Internal Revenue Service recently released final rules detailing a generous estate- and gift-tax break for married couples who don’t set up expensive trusts before death.

    The break, known as “portability,” allows spouses to pass nearly $11 million of assets to heirs free of estate tax…”

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/tax-break-married-couples-220500689.html

    Don’t smile too much, as you try to keep your estate from “State owned” when an elderly asset owner dies….these caregivers are getting charged with man slaughter by the State to take it from you. Same with nursing homes….they are getting sued for bad caregiving too…the rules have all changed as they get more and more desperate for your estate money, as time marches on.

  2. 2

    RE: softwarengineer @ 1 – I’m pretty sure community property has always passed through tax free and with a stepped up basis. Or if not always, for decades.

  3. 3

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 2

    Ask the Family of Casey Kasem, the popular radio disc jockey that got dementia. they moved him out of the State to escape the social workers and they followed him to Kitsap Peninsula. I know a caregiver who gave up everything to care for his mom. When she died, they charged him with man slaughter.

  4. 4
    Blurtman says:

    Hilarious. No one but a psycho can do this with a straight face. Can’t wait till the news shills pump this one out of the park. Welcome to 1984.

    In her first major campaign speech, the Democratic presidential contender on Saturday tore into CEOs, hedge fund managers, Corporate America

    Hillary Clinton unleashes attack on Wall Street
    In her first major campaign speech, the Democratic presidential contender on Saturday tore into CEOs, hedge fund managers, (except daughter Chelsea),….
    http://money.cnn.com/2015/06/13/news/economy/clinton-campaign-speech-wall-street-hedge-funds/

    Real universe:
    Goldman Sachs Is Ready for Hillary
    The most hated corporation in American is a loyal patron of the Clinton empire

    http://freebeacon.com/blog/goldman-sachs-is-ready-for-hillary/

  5. 5
    MD says:

    Is Seattle housing really worth it? 100-year old pieces of crap, tons of work required, nothing is in good condition. $700K+. WHO IS BUYING THIS SHTUFF? (I couldn’t post the swear word for shtuff).

  6. 6
    pfft says:

    By Blurtman @ 4:

    Hilarious. No one but a psycho can do this with a straight face. Can’t wait till the news shills pump this one out of the park. Welcome to 1984.

    In her first major campaign speech, the Democratic presidential contender on Saturday tore into CEOs, hedge fund managers, Corporate America

    Hillary Clinton unleashes attack on Wall Street
    In her first major campaign speech, the Democratic presidential contender on Saturday tore into CEOs, hedge fund managers, (except daughter Chelsea),….
    http://money.cnn.com/2015/06/13/news/economy/clinton-campaign-speech-wall-street-hedge-funds/

    Real universe:
    Goldman Sachs Is Ready for Hillary
    The most hated corporation in American is a loyal patron of the Clinton empire

    http://freebeacon.com/blog/goldman-sachs-is-ready-for-hillary/

    so Hillary Clinton takes the exact position you want and it’s still not good enough? We see what is going on.

  7. 7
    DrRick says:

    By Blurtman @ 4:

    Hilarious. No one but a psycho can do this with a straight face. Can’t wait till the news shills pump this one out of the park. Welcome to 1984.

    In her first major campaign speech, the Democratic presidential contender on Saturday tore into CEOs, hedge fund managers, Corporate America

    Hillary Clinton unleashes attack on Wall Street
    In her first major campaign speech, the Democratic presidential contender on Saturday tore into CEOs, hedge fund managers, (except daughter Chelsea),….
    http://money.cnn.com/2015/06/13/news/economy/clinton-campaign-speech-wall-street-hedge-funds/

    Real universe:
    Goldman Sachs Is Ready for Hillary
    The most hated corporation in American is a loyal patron of the Clinton empire

    http://freebeacon.com/blog/goldman-sachs-is-ready-for-hillary/

    Thanks Blurty,

    She tilts to the populist progressive side, taking pages and stealing thunder from Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren.
    Meanwhile, if and when elected, she reverts immediately back to her more or less centrist (in current terms) position.
    Obama did it as well, railing against Moneyed Wall Street Evil Eyed Interests, and then did absolutely nothing, except hiring the same people;e who broke the economy to stay on in his administration.

    Folks, we have some really awful choices. We can elect another Oligarch (Jebillary) and have some modicum of financial stability for 4-8 years, or we can elect an outsider such as Bernie or, smelling salts please, Trump.

    I very much appreciate the comments in this group.

    Regards,

    Rick

    Fel Temp Reparatio

  8. 8

    RE: pfft @ 6 – It’s called not being gullible. Hillary is probably the least trustworthy of any of the 20 or so politicians announced so far, and that’s a pretty low crowd. She intentionally destroyed emails that she knew were subject to active investigations! Even if there was nothing else to show (doubtful given what she did) that is extremely dishonest behavior.

    And she’s probably also even more naive than you are if she thinks the Chinese don’t have copies of those emails. ;-)

  9. 9
    pfft says:

    By DrRick @ 7:

    By Blurtman @ 4:

    Hilarious. No one but a psycho can do this with a straight face. Can’t wait till the news shills pump this one out of the park. Welcome to 1984.

    In her first major campaign speech, the Democratic presidential contender on Saturday tore into CEOs, hedge fund managers, Corporate America

    Hillary Clinton unleashes attack on Wall Street
    In her first major campaign speech, the Democratic presidential contender on Saturday tore into CEOs, hedge fund managers, (except daughter Chelsea),….
    http://money.cnn.com/2015/06/13/news/economy/clinton-campaign-speech-wall-street-hedge-funds/

    Real universe:
    Goldman Sachs Is Ready for Hillary
    The most hated corporation in American is a loyal patron of the Clinton empire

    http://freebeacon.com/blog/goldman-sachs-is-ready-for-hillary/

    Thanks Blurty,

    She tilts to the populist progressive side, taking pages and stealing thunder from Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren.
    Meanwhile, if and when elected, she reverts immediately back to her more or less centrist (in current terms) position.
    Obama did it as well, railing against Moneyed Wall Street Evil Eyed Interests, and then did absolutely nothing, except hiring the same people;e who broke the economy to stay on in his administration.

    Folks, we have some really awful choices. We can elect another Oligarch (Jebillary) and have some modicum of financial stability for 4-8 years, or we can elect an outsider such as Bernie or, smelling salts please, Trump.

    I very much appreciate the comments in this group.

    Regards,

    Rick

    Fel Temp Reparatio

    Obama did nothing? What was Dodd-Frank? Nothing? It was the most sweeping banking reform since the 30s.

    “Meanwhile, if and when elected, she reverts immediately back to her more or less centrist (in current terms) position.”

    she’s not a centrist now or before. that is false. When she was a Senator she was one of the most liberal members of the Senate. If you have any sources please by all means!

  10. 10
    pfft says:

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 8:

    RE: pfft @ 6 – It’s called not being gullible. Hillary is probably the least trustworthy of any of the 20 or so politicians announced so far, and that’s a pretty low crowd.

    oh god god god no. never. trump? walker? god no.

  11. 11
    DrRick says:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 8

    I see what you did there!
    Sometimes a guy needs a foil. Make that “strawman.” OK with me.

    Fel Temp Reparatio

  12. 12

    By pfft @ 10:

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 8:

    RE: pfft @ 6 – It’s called not being gullible. Hillary is probably the least trustworthy of any of the 20 or so politicians announced so far, and that’s a pretty low crowd.

    oh god god god no. never. trump? walker? god no.

    The issue was trustworthiness, not repulsiveness.

    BTW, I can’t believe Trump is still surviving as a politician or a businessman. Whatever you think about immigration, his comments have become downright racist.

  13. 13
    pfft says:

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 12:

    By pfft @ 10:

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 8:

    RE: pfft @ 6 – It’s called not being gullible. Hillary is probably the least trustworthy of any of the 20 or so politicians announced so far, and that’s a pretty low crowd.

    oh god god god no. never. trump? walker? god no.

    The issue was trustworthiness, not repulsiveness.

    BTW, I can’t believe Trump is still surviving as a politician or a businessman. Whatever you think about immigration, his comments have become downright racist.

    trump has told lie after lie. and that is just this week.

    As for Walker, I just read this article.

    Gwen Moore: Scott Walker Ran “Perfect Racial Dog Whistle Campaign” in 1990
    http://www.rightwisconsin.com/dailytakes/Gwen-Moore-Scott-Walker-Ran-Perfect-Racial-Dog-Whistle-Campaign-in-1990-304169941.html

    further.

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/13/scott-walker-gwen-moore-political-career

    Moore claimed that Walker did not have “any firm views” at all. Instead, she saw the Wisconsin governor as “not ideological”, prepared to “move to the left or the right …depending on who is bankrolling him”.

    and

    Walker “doesn’t care who he maims, cripples, or kills to get where he wants to get”.

    sounds trustworthy.

    You don’t pay attention to politics at all do you kary?

  14. 14
    DrRick says:

    Look up your own sources.

  15. 15
    chrisM says:

    How binding are the notes in an MLS listing? Imagine a bank-owned listing that says:

    “Highest and best due (hour month/day). No more offers to be reviewed.”

    If two weeks pass (after their deadline), and the listing is still out there (not pending) one may assume no awesome offers were made. In that case, is the original statement “no more offers to be reviewed” garbage?

    Are there any MLS rules about the ethics of making totally false statements in the listing?

  16. 16

    RE: chrisM @ 15 – 1. I’m not sure why you would assume an offer was made. One of the reason I don’t like “offers will be reviewed” is that you look rather foolish when no offer comes in. It’s entirely possible no offer did come in. In that case though the listing should be updated so that the foolishness is not so apparent. I don’t think continuing to publicize your error in assessing the market rises to a rules violation.

    2. Banks are slow, and it’s entirely possible that they don’t have a fully signed around contract yet. The “broker only” comments would indicate whether or not they have an offer they’ve verbally accepted, and the listing would remain active during that period of time per NWMLS rules. The last Fannie contract I did it took almost two weeks to get from their accepting the offer to full mutual acceptance with documents.

    3. It’s also possible that the property is pending and the agent simply forgot to update the listing. That is a violation of NWMLS rules. There were two agents fined for that sort of thing last month.

    4. I’m not sure though I’ve ever seen an offers will be reviewed term in an REO listing. But I would assume the “no more offers reviewed” meant no offers submitted after that date will be reviewed, and wasn’t indicating that they had received offers. If so, that’s rather a stupid thing to put in a listing.

  17. 17

    RE: MD @ 5
    Savvy Investor Flippers

    Some are making mass money on cheap staging; the dumbest buyers are on the end of the food chain. Its a ponzi scheme.

  18. 18

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 16

    I Bought My Foreclosed Home With No Bidding War

    Its easy, find a distressed owner of a bank owned rental with tenants still living there….call the bank vice president and offer to buy the house to keep the tenants from eviction. Call it a seamless short sell.

  19. 19
    Blurtman says:

    RE: DrRick @ 7

    She’s a devil in disguise
    You can see it in her eyes
    She’s telling dirty lies
    She’s a devil in disguise, in disguise

  20. 20
    ChrisM says:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 16 – Thanks, Kary.

  21. 21

    Most Millenials are Doing Poorly Financially

    Unless their parents are the rich elite:

    “…Millions of America’s young people are really struggling financially. Around 30 percent are living with their parents, and many others are coping with stagnant wages, underemployment, and sky-high rent.

    And then there are those who are doing just great—owning a house, buying a car, and consistently putting money away for retirement.

    These, however, are not your run-of-the-mill Millennials. Nope. These Millennials have something very special: rich parents.

    These Millennials have help paying their tuition, meaning they graduate in much better financial shape than their peers who have to self-finance college through a mix of jobs, scholarships, and loans. And then, for the very luckiest, they’ll also get some help with a down payment, making homeownership possible, while it remains mostly unattainable for the vast majority of young adults….”

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/millennials-thriving-financially-one-thing-120100183.html

    So without handouts they do poorly.

  22. 22
    Blurtman says:

    RE: softwarengineer @ 21 – If you look at Chelsea Clinton’s charmed life, educational and work history, you will see she got breaks that the average schlub can only dream of. Somewhat ironically, she worked at a private equity and hedge fund in spite of her mom’s hollow words against the industry. And she made $600,000 for her “work” at NBC. Qualifications? No worries, come right in.

  23. 23

    RE: Blurtman @ 19
    Sounds Like All My Past Relationships

    The rich women are either in huge debt looking for a “mortgage buddy” or no man fills the shoes they envision; and tend to be selfish/uncaring [especially if they never had kids] and its no wonder they’re still single. The poor women left tend to be mean and like putting you down because you’re not poor and giving them gifts all the time. I’m sure the men fit these role models too.

    The good ones [except widows] have all been taken….that’s why I’m still single. Its like Seattle Real Estate.

  24. 24

    RE: Blurtman @ 22
    Obama’s Daughter Lands a Scarce Intern Job

    While the rest of the Millenials ride on skateboards all Summer texting on their family plan phones….

  25. 25

    RE: Blurtman @ 22
    I Think I Used My Daughter’s College Funds Wisely

    She finished her Associates degree at Green River [I paid her college costs], but I offered her college as long as she could stomach it. I took the rest of her “ear-marked” college funding and kept her out of my house. No way would I do that for her in Seattle. Its too expensive and although I’m in the top 10%, even I have limits, especially single income. Then Kansas City became my “yellow brick road” to the wizard.

    The rest of you clinging on to your kids in Seattle better enjoy room mates….LOL.

  26. 26
    Blake says:

    RE: DrRick @ 7
    Robert Reich takes Hillary to task for not coming out in support of the current legislation to reinstitute Glass-Steagall:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-reich/hillary-clintons-glass-steagall_b_7798344.html
    Hillary Clinton won’t propose reinstating a bank break-up law known as the Glass-Steagall Act — at least according to Alan Blinder, an economist who has been advising Clinton’s campaign. “You’re not going to see Glass-Steagall,” Blinder said after her economic speech Monday in which she failed to mention it. Blinder said he had spoken to Clinton directly about Glass-Steagall.

    This is a big mistake.
    It’s a mistake politically because people who believe Hillary Clinton is still too close to Wall Street will not be reassured by her position on Glass-Steagall. Many will recall that her husband led the way to repealing Glass Steagall in 1999 at the request of the big Wall Street banks.

    It’s a big mistake economically because the repeal of Glass-Steagall led directly to the 2008 Wall Street crash, and without it we’re in danger of another one.
    (end quote)

    Gee… I wonder why Hillary would do this?? ;-)
    https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=Career&cid=n00000019
    1. Citigroup Inc $782,327
    2. Goldman Sachs $711,490
    3. DLA Piper $628,030
    4. JPMorgan Chase & Co $620,919

  27. 27
    Blurtman says:

    RE: Blake @ 26 – Blue pill.

  28. 28
    pfft says:

    By Blurtman @ 22:

    RE: softwarengineer @ 21 – If you look at Chelsea Clinton’s charmed life, educational and work history, you will see she got breaks that the average schlub can only dream of.

    what? have you read her educational history? it’s any parents dream. are you saying she wasn’t qualified to get all those degrees? she has a doctorate. are you saying she didn’t earn it?

  29. 29
  30. 30
    Blake says:

    RE: pfft @ 28
    Yeah… Chelsea was well qualified for that MSNBC “reporting” job… and truly independent as well!
    LMFAO!

  31. 31
    Blake says:

    Wait… there’s more!
    http://www.ibtimes.com/clintons-foundation-raked-cash-banks-admitted-wrongdoing-2010404
    … Clinton’s raking it in with both hands from the banksters!

  32. 32
    pfft says:

    By Blake @ 26:

    RE: DrRick @ 7
    Robert Reich takes Hillary to task for not coming out in support of the current legislation to reinstitute Glass-Steagall:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-reich/hillary-clintons-glass-steagall_b_7798344.html
    Hillary Clinton won’t propose reinstating a bank break-up law known as the Glass-Steagall Act — at least according to Alan Blinder, an economist who has been advising Clinton’s campaign. “You’re not going to see Glass-Steagall,” Blinder said after her economic speech Monday in which she failed to mention it. Blinder said he had spoken to Clinton directly about Glass-Steagall.

    This is a big mistake.
    It’s a mistake politically because people who believe Hillary Clinton is still too close to Wall Street will not be reassured by her position on Glass-Steagall. Many will recall that her husband led the way to repealing Glass Steagall in 1999 at the request of the big Wall Street banks.

    It’s a big mistake economically because the repeal of Glass-Steagall led directly to the 2008 Wall Street crash, and without it we’re in danger of another one.
    (end quote)

    Gee… I wonder why Hillary would do this?? ;-)
    https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=Career&cid=n00000019
    1. Citigroup Inc $782,327
    2. Goldman Sachs $711,490
    3. DLA Piper $628,030
    4. JPMorgan Chase & Co $620,919

    Hillary supports Dodd-Frank, how do you explain that?

    Hillary had some comments last week about too big to fail but I am too lazy too google it.

    “Many will recall that her husband led the way to repealing Glass Steagall in 1999 at the request of the big Wall Street banks.”

    mmm, I don’t think so. wasn’t that Phil Graham?

    People seem to think too big to fail is some sort of panacea. As I have said before, if there are $500 billion in losses does it matter if we have to bail out 10 banks or 100 banks? less banks might be easier to bail out. there were thousands of banks that failed during the Great Depression. Did that make it better? It’s all about regulation and capital requirements, which Dodd-Frank does and Hillary supports.

    “It’s a big mistake economically because the repeal of Glass-Steagall led directly to the 2008 Wall Street crash”

    uhhhh, I don’t think so? Maybe you are think about the Commodities Modernization bill?

  33. 33
    pfft says:

    By Blake @ 30:

    RE: pfft @ 28
    Yeah… Chelsea was well qualified for that MSNBC “reporting” job… and truly independent as well!
    LMFAO!

    she’s wasn’t qualified for that job but reporting is not that hard. many people have jobs that aren’t directly related to her degree. she has a history degree from stand ford. that’s pretty good. I am sure as a fellow history degree holder that she on some level is somewhat qualified. I bet many history majors become reporters. It’s not that different. she also taught college courses.

    she has a stellar educational resume.

  34. 34
    Blurtman says:

    RE: pfft @ 28 – I appreciate your playing the straight man, a quite challenging role.

    To review:

    Chelsea graduated with an undergraduate history degree with highest honors from Stanford.
    – Lord Butler of Brockwell, the Master of University College, said: “The college is also pleased to extend its link with the Clinton family.”
    – Lot of folks graduate summa cum laude and with degrees in much more challenging disciplines from top schools, and they aren’t welcomed with open arms by Oxford because a parent went there.

    Joins McKinsey right out of Oxford – with a Masters in International Relations, a devastating credential.

    In 2011, Clinton began pursuing a DPhil in International Relations from Oxford, doing her doctoral work from New York City where she resides.
    – Getting a PhD is certainly an accomplishment, but not too many PhD’s I know were able to phone it in from home.

    Three years later goes to work at a private equity and hedge fund company.
    – Sure, anybody can do that.

    Co-chairperson for a fund-raising week for the Clinton Foundation, and subsequently became Vice Chairwoman for the foundation.
    – Starts at the very bottom, and succeeds by pure dint of character.

    She serves on the board of the School of American Ballet
    – Absolutely. I keep having to turn them down, myself.

    She serves on the board of InterActiveCorp (also known as IAC), an American media and Internet company, with over 150 brands across 100 countries.
    – Sure, and we have all been asked to do the same.

    In November 2011, NBC announced that they hired Clinton as a special correspondent.
    – Well, she did major in media studies at…..oh, no, she didn’t at all.

    And she starts at the bottom as a cub reporter
    – Well, no, Clinton reportedly earned an annual salary of $600,000 for her work at NBC.

    Clinton memorably interviewed the Geico Gecko in April 2013.
    – Outstanding and Stanford proud!!

  35. 35
    pfft says:

    By Blurtman @ 33:

    RE: pfft @ 28 – I appreciate your playing the straight man, a quite challenging role.

    To review:

    Chelsea graduated with an undergraduate history degree with highest honors from Stanford.
    – Lord Butler of Brockwell, the Master of University College, said: “The college is also pleased to extend its link with the Clinton family.”
    – Lot of folks graduate summa cum laude and with degrees in much more challenging disciplines from top schools, and they aren’t welcomed with open arms by Oxford because a parent went there.

    Joins McKinsey right out of Oxford – with a Masters in International Relations, a devastating credential.

    In 2011, Clinton began pursuing a DPhil in International Relations from Oxford, doing her doctoral work from New York City where she resides.
    – Getting a PhD is certainly an accomplishment, but not too many PhD’s I know were able to phone it in from home.

    Three years later goes to work at a private equity and hedge fund company.
    – Sure, anybody can do that.

    Co-chairperson for a fund-raising week for the Clinton Foundation, and subsequently became Vice Chairwoman for the foundation.
    – Starts at the very bottom, and succeeds by pure dint of character.

    She serves on the board of the School of American Ballet
    – Absolutely. I keep having to turn them down, myself.

    She serves on the board of InterActiveCorp (also known as IAC), an American media and Internet company, with over 150 brands across 100 countries.
    – Sure, and we have all been asked to do the same.

    In November 2011, NBC announced that they hired Clinton as a special correspondent.
    – Well, she did major in media studies at…..oh, no, she didn’t at all.

    And she starts at the bottom as a cub reporter
    – Well, no, Clinton reportedly earned an annual salary of $600,000 for her work at NBC.

    Clinton memorably interviewed the Geico Gecko in April 2013.
    – Outstanding and Stanford proud!!

    are you saying she didn’t earn her degrees yes or no? I am not playing anything. any fool can see she is very well educated.

    “Well, she did major in media studies at…..oh, no, she didn’t at all.”

    she’s has a doctorate and is highly educated. her history degree and teaching experience is similar but not directly related to journalism. she shouldn’t have gotten the gig she had at MSNBC but journalism is not a stretch.

    history majors often go into…banking!

    http://www.businessinsider.com/what-kind-of-jobs-you-can-get-into-with-your-major-2012-12?op=1

    Everything is so hard with the Clintons according to people. Hillary can’t possibly take liberal positions. Chelsea can’t possibly be smart, even though both of her parents are very smart. Bill was a Rhodes scholar and I am no sure if Hillary was. Maybe you guys know you are more obsessed with her than me.

    I don’t see how taking money from banks means you can’t possibly believe they should not break the law. is that really that much of a stretch. I am sure she believes every corporation, whether they give money to her or not, should follow the law.

  36. 36
    pfft says:

    “Getting a PhD is certainly an accomplishment, but not too many PhD’s I know were able to phone it in from home.”

    LOL. they didn’t even have the internet way back then when you got your Doctorate did they?

  37. 37

    I was watching Obama’s press conference on the Iran deal, and his argument was you either had to have diplomacy or force. I’m actually surprised how good the Iran deal is–apparently Kerry is a much better negotiator than Obama (or Hillary). But really, does Obama think Americans are that stupid that they would accept such a simple argument? Oh wait . . ..

    He could have made the same argument for the deal I was expecting. One were sanctions went away yesterday and there were no inspection rights until 2024. That would be diplomacy too!

  38. 38
    pfft says:

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 37:

    I was watching Obama’s press conference on the Iran deal, and his argument was you either had to have diplomacy or force. I’m actually surprised how good the Iran deal is–apparently Kerry is a much better negotiator than Obama (or Hillary). But really, does Obama think Americans are that stupid that they would accept such a simple argument? Oh wait . . ..

    I thought it was a little bit nuanced than that but it did pretty much boil down to what he said.

    Look at the simple argument that Republicans made. Blah blah blah appeasement blah blah blah worst deal ever. Republicans don’t really want a deal with Iran at all. They don’t know what they want because they are morons. Their reaction to every foreign policy decision by obama is something something blah blah blah appeasement worst deal ever. See Cuba! They of course offer no solutions or the wrong ones. They are idiots.

    Obama basically said what was the better deal and how would you get it. He’s probably right.

    “I’m actually surprised how good the Iran deal is”

    no offense kary, but I doubt you had any idea of what kind of deal we’d get. I doubt you know much about Iran, Iranian politics, the sanctions or anything about containing a nuclear program. no offense it’s just a very specialized area. Do you or anyone else here(or the regular person) even know what P5+1 is?

  39. 39
    Blurtman says:

    By pfft @ 35:

    By Blurtman @ 33:

    RE: pfft @ 28

    Chelsea can’t possibly be smart, even though both of her parents are very smart.

    – There are lots of smart students with smart parents but they don’t get the breaks Chelsea did.

    – Most of my friends and associates that have PhD’s got them in 5 years and did 1 or 2 post docs afterwards .They don’t have a rinky dink 3 year liberal arts PhD and they aren’t getting hired by MSNBC and aren’t making $600,000 per year.

    – No, her whole career s is so out of bounds from the average citizen’s experience with similar or better qualifications. The very epitome of the unlevel playing field and 1% income concentration that Hillary makes hollow speeches against.

  40. 40

    By pfft @ 38:

    Bno offense kary, but I doubt you had any idea of what kind of deal we’d get. I doubt you know much about Iran, Iranian politics, the sanctions or anything about containing a nuclear program. no offense it’s just a very specialized area. Do you or anyone else here(or the regular person) even know what P5+1 is?

    As usual, you fail to understand even a basic point. I wasn’t expecting much because typically Obama is a horrible negotiator. That’s why I mentioned Kerry apparently being good.

    I know you don’t remember much, but do you remember me saying Obama couldn’t negotiate his way out of a paper bag? Or my being critical the greenhouse gasses deal with China where they don’t have to do anything until something like 2030. You’ve even been critical of some of his early negotiations with Republicans over budget matters. Do you even remember that?

  41. 41

    RE: Blake @ 29
    Seattle is Special

    Lies prop it up.

  42. 42

    Actually, compared to most other cities, Seattle did rather well.

  43. 43
    Blake says:

    By pfft @ 33:

    By Blake @ 30:

    RE: pfft @ 28
    Yeah… Chelsea was well qualified for that MSNBC “reporting” job… and truly independent as well!
    LMFAO!

    she’s wasn’t qualified for that job but reporting is not that hard. many people have jobs that aren’t directly related to her degree. she has a history degree from stand ford. that’s pretty good. I am sure as a fellow history degree holder that she on some level is somewhat qualified. I bet many history majors become reporters. It’s not that different. she also taught college courses.

    she has a stellar educational resume.

    Oh, I am sure Chelsea is plenty smart… but why do you think she got that cushy $600,000/year MSNBC job as a reporter? How many thousands of top notch investigative reporters do you think were much more qualified for that position? And do tell me all the big stories that Chelsea broke?
    The Clintons epitomize the corruption that is rotting not only our government but also the corporate sector… crony capitalism.

  44. 44

    By Blake @ 43:

    Oh, I am sure Chelsea is plenty smart… but why do you think she got that cushy $600,000/year MSNBC job as a reporter? How many thousands of top notch investigative reporters do you think were much more qualified for that position?

    It’s supply and demand. MSNBC thought there would be a lot of people who would want to watch reports by Chelsea. I have no idea why they would think that, or why anyone could care past the first time she gave a report, but that’s what they thought. Maybe because the same bet on Maria Shreiver (sp?) turned out fairly good?

  45. 45
    Blurtman says:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 44 – W’s square headed daughter also was a cub reporter but she seemed to be pretty awful and went away. Amy Carter, I don’t think so.

  46. 46

    They’re all not coming back! A concern over HELOCs reaching their 10 year anniversary, where payments increase, is apparently not becoming an issue.

    http://www.telegram.com/article/20150716/NEWS/150719396

  47. 47
    Blurtman says:

    Toxic.

    “So far, Hillary Clinton has raised more than $2 million from 40 bundlers (people who bundle contributions from their contacts) who are also registered lobbyists, according to financial forms released Wednesday by the Federal Election Commission and reported today by Bloomberg News. Clinton’s bundlers include Jerry Crawford, who lobbies for Monsanto; Fred Humphries, a lobbyist for Microsoft; Theresa Fariello, lobbyist for Exxon Mobil; and Daphna Pelod, lobbyist for the National Cable & Telecommunications Nearly all of the 40 lobbyists have also worked for the fossil fuel industry. Scott Parven and Brian Pomper, for example, have lobbied for Chevron since 2006.”

    https://www.facebook.com/RBReich?fref=nf

  48. 48
    John says:

    I created a petition to the White House: “Restrict Foreign Investments into Residential Real Estate in High-Density Areas. Americans are Locked Out From Buying.”
    http://wh.gov/iXmsD
    Please sign and forward!

  49. 49
    mukoh says:

    RE: softwarengineer @ 18 – I laughed so hard I cried ab out that one SWE.

  50. 50

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 12

    I’d Be Slow to Pull the Race Card

    His comments were not well chosen, but he did say some illegal aliens came here to just support their family and yes, the invasion has also brought in drug dealers, molesters and drunks. The media won’t admit it, but its the truth. Terrorists mixed in?

  51. 51

    RE: pfft @ 13
    Jail Birds Lie too

    They have convicts for open border friends that they rub shoulders with and those types lie as a rule.

  52. 52

    RE: Blake @ 30

    Most Baby Boomers and X Gens That Raised Millenials

    Will never admit their kids are:

    1. Barely surviving, even if they’re on their own.
    2. Living with them in the basement with a degree at age 30+.

    Let SWE interview them, then we’ll find out the ugly truth.

  53. 53

    RE: pfft @ 28

    Let’s not Mix Up College Educated With Job Experience

    The two are apples and oranges.

  54. 54
    Blurtman says:

    RE: softwarengineer @ 23 – It’s the Flying Burrito Brothers “Christine’s Tune” from The Gilded palace of Sin. I highly recommend it and Burrito Deluxe. Great pedal steel and the legendary Gram Parsons. Plus Byrds alum Chris Hillman and future Eagle Bernie Leadon.

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