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$8,000 Tax Credit: To Extend or Not to Extend?

By The Tim on September 16th, 2009 at 1:00 PM · 47 Comments

As the expiration date on the first-time homebuyer $8,000 tax credit nears, talk is stirring about renewing and expanding the scheme. Here’s a brief rundown of some of the varying related pieces I’ve been following from around the web.

First up, we’ve got the National Ass. of Realtors pushing hard on their members to “Write Congress Now”:

The National Association of REALTORS® is calling upon its 1.2 million members to urge Congress to extend the successful homebuyer tax credit into next year.

Since its inception earlier this year, the $8,000 first-time homebuyer tax credit has brought 1.2 million new buyers into the market—350,000 of whom would not have purchased a home without the credit, according to NAR. The credit is due to expire November 30.

As Calculated Risk has been pointing out, if the NAR’s numbers are accurate, that translates into a cost to (future) taxpayers of over $43,000 per additional sale (that would not have happened anyway). What a deal, right? Plus, how many of these “additional sales” are sales that would have taken place anyway in 2010 or 2011 (i.e. – borrowed demand)? I’d bet quite a few.

Here’s some more from Calculated Risk:

…if we actually look at the numbers, this is a poor choice for a second stimulus package.

…the program cost is about $43,000 per additional buyer. Very expensive.

Now the National Association of Home Builders estimates that expanding and extending the credit through 2010 would generate 500,000 additional sales at a cost of about $30 billion. So this is approximately $60,000 per additional house sold. And I think the cost will be much higher.

REMEMBER: Many homes will be sold to buyers who would have bought anyway without the credit. These buyers will still receive the credit. This year almost 2 million home buyers will claim the tax credit, but only 350,000 were additional buyers. That means this was a poorly targeted tax credit since so many people receive it who would have bought anyway.

Meanwhile, even as the NAR is urging their members to encourage Congress to extend the credit, rank-and-file members seem to have reservations. Check out this post from a Realtor on ActiveRain (basically MySpace for real estate agents):

While I am glad that the tax credit has probably helped stimulate the real estate market and the economy some, I also wonder about the longer-term effects of this so-called “stimulus” money on this nation’s deficit and national debt.

I would rather see the money in the hands of the people as opposed to Wall Street fat cats or failing banks though. However I also hear stories on the news and elsewhere of people using the $8,000 to pay for frivolous items. Kind of a windfall shopping spree. I also don’t like mortgaging the future of this country by giving free money to people while increasing massive debt that may end up crushing our nation one day (if it hasn’t already). Kind of “socialized” real estate buying if you can call it that. Take from my pocket and put it in yours.

The comments to that post (pretty much entirely left by real estate agents) are also an interesting read.

At this point, I’m not even convinced that extending the existing credit will even have much of an effect. Everyone knows that the current credit expires at the end of November. People who were “on the fence” about buying for whom the tax credit was enough to spur them to action are already dashing to get their purchase in before the deadline. How many people are really out there thinking, “you know, I wasn’t planning on buying a house at all, and the 2009 tax credit was not enough of an incentive, but if they would just extended it into 2010, I would definitely jump in there and buy!” Probably not very many.

So what do you think? Should the tax credit be extended? Is it likely to be extended? Why or why not?

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Localism: Still a Wasteland | KOMO: We Want Some of that Action

By The Tim on August 20th, 2009 at 8:10 AM · 19 Comments

A little over a year ago ActiveRain (basically a social network for real estate professionals) launched
Localism, an attempt at leveraging their nationwide network of real estate salespeople to generate content for thousands of “hyperlocal” city and neighborhood portals, presumably in order to create an attractive platform on which small businesses would spend their advertising dollars. Our review of Localism’s Seattle-area offerings concluded that the site amounted to little more than sales pitches from “hyperlocal” agents.

Checking in on Localism a year later reveals that not much has changed. The four local pages we reviewed are nearly as empty as they were, with none of the so-called “hyperlocal” blogs even managing to average more than about two posts per month. The contributors are all still all real estate salespeople, and the registration page still says “we’re not taking new accounts right now.”

With the rousing success of Localism in their first year, it’s no wonder that other corporations would be dying to jump onto the “let’s create a bunch of ‘hyperlocal’ blogs on templates” bandwagon—wait, what? No, that doesn’t make any sense. And yet, that’s exactly what KOMO News decided to do this week, launching their very own “community” pages.

KOMO’s new pages are definitely a few steps above the bland failure that is Localism. From day one they are allowing and encouraging people to register and contribute. The layout is more inviting and looks like it has more going on. Plus, at least as at the corporate level KOMO is local to the “hyperlocal” markets they are attempting to attract.

I do notice that advertising takes up quite a bit of “above the fold” space, and their right sidebar has a dedicated section for “Local Real Estate Agents,” so it is fairly obvious what KOMO’s motivation is here. I certainly don’t begrudge them the chance to try to make money, but I still don’t see what they’re offering that local blogs are not.

Just like Localism, many of the communities with shiny new KOMO pages already have popular, well-established blogs, run by dedicated locals. KOMO says they’re not attempting to compete with these sites, but in reality I doubt there are really two separate markets in the neighborhood blogging scene—one for authentic, community-driven blogs, and another for template-ized, corporate profit vehicles.

[Update: See an (official?) response from KOMO below, describing their perspective.]

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Localism – Hyper Local Real Estate Sales Pitches

By The Tim on July 9th, 2008 at 8:25 AM · 26 Comments

ActiveRain, a site that describes itself as “a free online community for real estate professionals designed to help them promote and grow their business,” has launched a new site called Localism. Localism describes itself as the “world’s most complete neighborpedia,” and the front page invites users to “Go Hyper Local!”

It is the latest entrant into what seems to be an already over-served online market. For people that want so-called “hyper local” content, there are already a ton of choices out there including sites like Yelp, StreetAdvisor, and outside.in. Also, because it’s so trivially simple to set up a free blog, many neighborhoods have dedicated blogs that are just a simple Google search away.

John Cook put out a pair of stories about Localism today, one on the P-I and one on his P-I blog. Here’s a brief excerpt:

Of course, since real estate professionals are doing most of the writing there will also be a fair share of stories about buying and selling homes.

Initially, the site — segmented into various communities by state, county, city and neighborhood — will be authored by some of the 90,000 real estate professionals on ActiveRain. But over time, ActiveRain founder Jonathan Washburn said it plans to open the platform to everyone. He also envisions people creating new online communities around schools, subdivisions or churches.

Since John Cook covered the basics of Localism’s press release in his stories, I thought I’d take a different approach. Let’s compare Localism to what I think is their toughest competition: local blogs. For this contest, I picked three (update: four) Seattle-area neighborhoods: two three are currently served by local blogs, and one is not. Let’s see how Localism compares…

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