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Case-Shiller: Seattle Still Being Left Out of the Summer Party

By The Tim on October 27th, 2009 at 7:01 AM · 97 Comments

It’s that fun time of the month once again. That’s right, time for the latest data from the Case-Shiller Home Price Index. According to August data,

Up 0.1% July to August.
Down 0.2% July to August (seasonally adjusted)
Down 14.7% YOY.
Down 22.2% from the July 2007 peak

Last year prices fell 0.7% from July to August (not seasonally adjusted) and year-over-year prices were down 8.8%.

Once again, here’s a little dose of sanity to contrast with what is no doubt set to be a day full of crowing and hoopla over the month-to-month increases seen in most of the 20 cities tracked by the Case-Shiller index.

Case-Shiller HPI: Month to Month Change

It still looks as though Seattle is being somewhat left out of this party.

Here’s our offset graph, with L.A. & San Diego time-shifted from Seattle & Portland by 17 months. Look at SoCal’s year-over-year skyrocketing back up to zero. Portland came in at -12.5%, and now both Los Angeles at -12.0%, and San Diego at -8.9% came in better than Seattle.

Case-Shiller HPI: West Coast

Note: This graph is not intended to be predictive. It is for entertainment purposes only.

Here’s the graph of all twenty Case-Shiller-tracked cities:

Case-Shiller HPI: All Cities

In July, fourteen of the twenty Case-Shiller-tracked cities experienced smaller year-over-year drops than Seattle (vs. twelve last month). Dallas at -1.2%, Denver at -1.9%, Cleveland at -2.8%, Boston at -4.2%, Washington, DC at -7.9%, Charlotte at -8.6%, San Diego at -8.9%, New York at -9.6%, Atlanta at -10.6%, Los Angeles at -12.0%, Portland at -12.5%, San Fancisco at -12.5, Chicago at -12.7%, and Minneapolis at -13.7%. Vegas took the #1 spot again for the largest year-over-year drop, with prices still falling over 30% in a single year down there—stimulus? What stimulus?

Here’s an update to the peak-decline graph, inspired by a graph created by reader CrystalBall. This chart takes the twelve cities whose peak index was greater than 175, and tracks how far they have fallen so far from their peak. The horizontal axis shows the total number of months since each individual city peaked.

Case-Shiller HPI: Decline From Peak

In the two years and a month since the price peak in Seattle prices have declined 22.2%. Definitely seems to be stuck moving sideways.

Here’s a complimentary chart to that last one. This one shows the

Case-Shiller HPI: Bounce Since March 2009

With just a 0.3% increase since March, the summer of stimulus seems to be having little effect on Seattle home prices. But hey, at least we’re not as immune to stimulus as Vegas apparently is. Down 9% in just the last five months. Ouch!

The following chart takes the post-bubble years of 2007, 2008, and 2009 and indexes each January’s Case-Shiller HPI to 100 so we can get a picture of how this year’s declines compare to last year:

Post-Bubble Seattle Case-Shiller HPI by Year

Thanks to the tax credits, abnormally / artificially low interest rates, and lots of hype about a so-called recovery, it would seem that we have pulled 2009 into slightly better territory than 2008.

Lastly, here’s an update to the Case-Shiller vs. NWMLS median chart. The following chart shows Seattle-area 2009 home prices, indexed to January = 100, as reported by the NWMLS (using a 3-month rolling average) and by Case-Shiller.

Seattle Case-Shiller HPI and NWMLS SFH Median

Check back tomorrow for a post on the Case-Shiller data for Seattle’s price tiers.

(Home Price Indices, Standard & Poor’s, 10.27.2009)

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Case-Shiller: Seattle Home Prices Hold Steady Through Summer

By The Tim on September 29th, 2009 at 7:05 AM · 137 Comments

It’s everybody’s favorite time of the month again. That’s right, time for the latest data from the Case-Shiller Home Price Index. According to July data,

Down 0.1% June to July.
Down 0.3% June to July (seasonally adjusted)
Down 15.3% YOY.
Down 22.3% from the July 2007 peak

Last year prices fell 1.0% from June to July (not seasonally adjusted) and year-over-year prices were down 8.2%.

Since the national media outlets will no doubt be crowing once again about a month-to-month increase in the nationwide 20-city index, here’s a new chart to kick things off: every city’s percentage change from June to July (taken from the non-seasonally-adjusted data, since that’s all the national media usually reports on):

Case-Shiller HPI: Month to Month Change

So, there’s that.

Here’s our offset graph, with L.A. & San Diego time-shifted from Seattle & Portland by 17 months. Still the summer of improvement on this one, with Portland up to -13.9%, Los Angeles at -14.9%, and San Diego again coming in better than Seattle at -12.3%.

Case-Shiller HPI: West Coast

Note: This graph is not intended to be predictive. It is for entertainment purposes only.

Here’s the graph of all twenty Case-Shiller-tracked cities:

Case-Shiller HPI: All Cities

In July, twelve of the twenty Case-Shiller-tracked cities experienced smaller year-over-year drops than Seattle (vs. ten last month). Cleveland at -1.3%, Dallas at -1.6%, Denver at -2.9%, Boston at -5.0%, Charlotte at -9.0%, Washington, DC at -9.8%, New York at -10.0%, Atlanta at -12.1%, San Diego at -12.3%, Portland at -13.9%, Chicago at -14.2%, and Los Angeles at -14.9%. Vegas held the #1 spot for the largest year-over-year drop, with prices still falling over 30% in a single year down there.

Here’s an update to the peak-decline graph, inspired by a graph created by reader CrystalBall. This chart takes the twelve cities whose peak index was greater than 175, and tracks how far they have fallen so far from their peak. The horizontal axis shows the total number of months since each individual city peaked.

Case-Shiller HPI: Decline From Peak

In the two full years since the price peak in Seattle prices have declined 22.3%. We still haven’t quite moved over to the DC trend, but the summer of flatline prices did at least move Seattle off the Phoenix price drop trend.

The following chart takes the post-bubble years of 2007, 2008, and 2009 and indexes each January’s Case-Shiller HPI to 100 so we can get a picture of how this year’s declines compare to last year:

Post-Bubble Seattle Case-Shiller HPI by Year

Still slightly below where we were this far into last year, at just over 3% off January.

Here’s an update to the Case-Shiller vs. NWMLS median chart. The following chart shows Seattle-area 2009 home prices, indexed to January = 100, as reported by the NWMLS and by Case-Shiller.

Seattle Case-Shiller HPI and NWMLS SFH Median

While Case-Shiller has been mostly flat since March, the NWMLS median has been swinging all over the place.

Check back tomorrow for a post on the Case-Shiller data for Seattle’s price tiers.

(Home Price Indices, Standard & Poor’s, 09.29.2009)

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Case-Shiller: Seattle Home Prices Bump Up Slightly Again in June

By The Tim on August 25th, 2009 at 6:30 AM · 51 Comments

Let’s make our regularly scheduled monthly check on the Case-Shiller Home Price Index. According to June data,

Up 0.4% May to June.
Down 0.3% May to June (seasonally adjusted)
Down 16.1% YOY.
Down 22.2% from the July 2007 peak

Last year prices fell 0.2% from May to June (not seasonally adjusted) and year-over-year prices were down 7.1%.

Here’s the usual graph, with L.A. & San Diego offset from Seattle & Portland by 17 months. Everybody’s getting some of the reduced rate of losses action, with Portland rising to -15.2%, Los Angeles at -17.8%, and San Diego at -16.0%. Note – Seattle: -16.1%, San Diego -16.0%. Hmm.

Case-Shiller HPI: West Coast

Note: This graph is not intended to be predictive. It is for entertainment purposes only.

Here’s the graph of all twenty Case-Shiller-tracked cities:

Case-Shiller HPI: All Cities

In June, ten of the twenty Case-Shiller-tracked cities experienced smaller year-over-year drops than Seattle (vs. nine last month). Dallas at -2.2%, Cleveland at -3.0%, Denver at -3.6%, Boston at -5.9%, Charlotte at -9.7%, Washington, DC at -11.7%, New York at -11.7%, Atlanta at -14.0%, Portland at -15.2%, and San Diego at -16.0%. Vegas pushed Phoenix out of the #1 spot for the largest year-over-year drop, as prices fell 32.3% in a single year.

Here’s an update to the peak-decline graph, inspired by a graph created by reader CrystalBall. This chart takes the twelve cities whose peak index was greater than 175, and tracks how far they have fallen so far from their peak. The horizontal axis shows the total number of months since each individual city peaked.

Case-Shiller HPI: Decline From Peak

In the twenty-two months since the price peak in Seattle prices have declined 22.2%. Still looks like more or less a flatline since March, putting Seattle slightly above San Francisco’s line, but slightly below Washington, DC.

The following chart takes the post-bubble years of 2007, 2008, and 2009 and indexes each January’s Case-Shiller HPI to 100 so we can get a picture of how this year’s declines compare to last year:

Post-Bubble Seattle Case-Shiller HPI by Year

Still tracking below 2008 compared to January, but performing slightly better than 2008 from March to June.

Here’s one more chart, for the folks that think that Case-Shiller is useless because it is somehow equivilent to the NWMLS data, but on a 2-month delay. The following chart shows 2009 home prices, indexed to January = 100, as reported by the NWMLS and by Case-Shiller.

Seattle Case-Shiller HPI and NWMLS SFH Median

The dramatic swing in the NWMLS data from down nearly 5% in March to up over 3% in June that had some people shouting about a bottom in home prices is non-existent in the Case-Shiller data. NWMLS March to June: +8.6% ($31,150). Case-Shiller March to June: +0.3%. This stark difference can most likely be attributed to a shifting geographic and sale tier mix, and is an excellent example of why the Case-Shiller data provides us a better picture of what’s really going on with home prices in the last few months.

Check back tomorrow for a post on the Case-Shiller data for Seattle’s price tiers.

(Home Price Indices, Standard & Poor’s, 08.25.2009)

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Case-Shiller: Spring Home Price Bounce Erased in May

By The Tim on July 28th, 2009 at 6:15 AM · 61 Comments

Let’s make our regularly scheduled monthly check on the Case-Shiller Home Price Index. According to March data,

Down 0.3% April to May.
Down 16.6% YOY.
Down 22.5% from the July 2007 peak

Last year prices fell 0.5% from April to May and year-over-year prices were down 6.3%.

Here’s the usual graph, with L.A. & San Diego offset from Seattle & Portland by 17 months. Portland rose from April to May, so the year-over-year drops down there continue to come in smaller than here in Seattle. Meanwhile, down in SoCal, the losses shrank to less than 20% YOY. If this pattern keeps up, Seattle could be seeing larger YOY drops than Los Angeles & San Diego by September.

Case-Shiller HPI: West Coast

Note: This graph is not intended to be predictive. It is for entertainment purposes only.

Here’s the graph of all twenty Case-Shiller-tracked cities:

Case-Shiller HPI: All Cities

In May, nine of the twenty Case-Shiller-tracked cities experienced smaller year-over-year drops than Seattle (the previous four months it was eight). Dallas at -4.2%, Denver at -4.6%, Cleveland at -6.2%, Boston at -7.2%, Charlotte at -10.0%, New York at -12.1%, Washington, DC at -14.9%, Atlanta at -15.0%, and Portland at -16.3%. As usual, Phoenix had the largest year-over-year drop, with prices falling 34% in a single year.

Here’s an update to the peak-decline graph, inspired by a graph created by reader CrystalBall. This chart takes the twelve cities whose peak index was greater than 175, and tracks how far they have fallen so far from their peak. The horizontal axis shows the total number of months since each individual city peaked.

Case-Shiller HPI: Decline From Peak

In the twenty-one months since the price peak in Seattle prices have declined 22.5%. This spring’s flatline puts us right in line with San Francisco’s relative drop. San Francisco and DC both seem to be having uncharacteristically strong spring upticks this year.

Here’s the “rewind” chart. The horizontal range is selected to go back just far enough to find the last time that Seattle’s HPI was as low as it is now. This gives us a clean visual of just how far back prices have retreated in terms of months.

Case-Shiller HPI: Seattle Price Reversion

Seattle’s Case-Shiller value for May 2009 of 148.96 came in just barely below its May 2005 value of 148.97. Prices have now “rewound” four years and one month.

Finally, the following chart takes the post-bubble years of 2007, 2008, and 2009 and indexes each January’s Case-Shiller HPI to 100 so we can get a picture of how this year’s declines compare to last year:

Post-Bubble Seattle Case-Shiller HPI by Year

Note that last year the March to April uptick took two months to be erased, and prices fell nearly 12% from January to December. This year the March to April uptick was considerably smaller, and was erased in a single month.

Check back tomorrow for a post on the Case-Shiller data for Seattle’s price tiers.

(Home Price Indices, Standard & Poor’s, 07.28.2009)

[Update]
Since the news reports on the radio and in the papers this morning are focusing on the month-to-month increase in the 10-city and 20-city indices, I thought I would add this chart, which compares the month-to-month change for all 20 metro areas tracked by Case-Shiller:

Case-Shiller Month-to-Month Change

Of course, the seasonally-adjusted data (which is the only semi-sensible way to look at month-to-month numbers) paints a somewhat less rosy picture, but at least Seattle moves from fourth-worst to sixth-worst.

Case-Shiller Month-to-Month Change

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Case-Shiller: Anemic Spring Bounce in April

By The Tim on June 30th, 2009 at 7:00 AM · 116 Comments

Let’s make our regularly scheduled monthly check on the Case-Shiller Home Price Index. According to March data,

Up 0.2% March to April.
Down 16.8% YOY.
Down 22.3% from the July 2007 peak

Last year prices rose 0.7% from March to April and year-over-year prices were down 4.9%.

Here’s the usual graph, with L.A. & San Diego offset from Seattle & Portland by 17 months. Portland continued to turn in a slightly smaller YOY loss than Seattle. Meanwhile, down in SoCal, the losses continue to get smaller. If Seattle and Portland keep following the trend set by San Diego and Los Angeles, we will see the most extreme YOY drops next March.

Case-Shiller HPI: West Coast

Note: This graph is not intended to be predictive. It is for entertainment purposes only.

Here’s the graph of all twenty Case-Shiller-tracked cities:

Case-Shiller HPI: All Cities

In April, eight of the twenty Case-Shiller-tracked cities experienced smaller year-over-year drops than Seattle (the same number as the previous four months). Denver at -4.9%, Dallas at -5.0%, Boston at -7.7%, Charlotte at -10.0%, Cleveland at -10.5%, New York at -12.2%, Atlanta at -15.2%, and Portland at -16.0%. As usual, Phoenix had the largest year-over-year drop, with prices falling 35% in a single year.

Here’s an update to the peak-decline graph, inspired by a graph created by reader CrystalBall. This chart takes the twelve cities whose peak index was greater than 175, and tracks how far they have fallen so far from their peak. The horizontal axis shows the total number of months since each individual city peaked.

Case-Shiller HPI: Decline From Peak

In the twenty months since the price peak in Seattle prices have declined 22.3%. April’s uptick brought us further from the trendlines of Phoenix and Tampa, and closer to San Francisco. April saw similar upticks in Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, DC, and Boston.

Here’s the “rewind” chart. The horizontal range is selected to go back just far enough to find the last time that Seattle’s HPI was as low as it is now. This gives us a clean visual of just how far back prices have retreated in terms of months.

Case-Shiller HPI: Seattle Price Reversion

Seattle’s Case-Shiller value for April 2009 of 149.38 came in just above its May 2005 value of 148.97. Prices have now “rewound” a full four years (longer than this site has been in existence).

Finally, the following chart takes the post-bubble years of 2007, 2008, and 2009 and indexes each January’s Case-Shiller HPI to 100 so we can get a picture of how this year’s declines compare to last year:

Post-Bubble Seattle Case-Shiller HPI by Year

We got the uptick we were expecting for April, but compared to last year’s bump, I’d have to call it somewhat… anemic. If price declines only manage to match last year, Seattle’s index will be just over 29% off peak by December. If we continue to turn in stronger price drops than 2008, we’ll be closer to 32% off peak by December.

Check back tomorrow for a post on the Case-Shiller data for Seattle’s price tiers.

(Home Price Indices, Standard & Poor’s, 06.30.2009)

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Case-Shiller: Seattle Price Drops Keep Gaining Steam

By The Tim on May 26th, 2009 at 10:45 AM · 107 Comments

Let’s make our regularly scheduled monthly check on the Case-Shiller Home Price Index. According to March data,

Down 2.0% February to March.
Down 16.4% YOY.
Down 22.5% from the July 2007 peak

Last year prices fell 0.9% from February to March and year-over-year prices were down 4.4%.

Here’s the usual graph, with L.A. & San Diego offset from Seattle & Portland by 17 months. Portland extended its streak to three months of turning in a smaller YOY loss than Seattle. The YOY declines in Los Angeles and San Diego both continued the upward trends that began with November’s data.

Case-Shiller HPI: West Coast

Note: This graph is not intended to be predictive. It is for entertainment purposes only.

Despite the above disclaimer, I can’t help but continue to find it interesting how closely Portland and Seattle are continuing to follow the path of Los Angeles and especially San Diego on the way down. If the trend continues (a big if), it looks like there’s a good chance Seattle’s YOY trend may reverse course sometime around March of next year.

Here’s the graph of all twenty Case-Shiller-tracked cities:

Case-Shiller HPI: All Cities

In February, eight of the twenty Case-Shiller-tracked cities experienced smaller year-over-year drops than Seattle (the same number as the previous three months). Denver at -5.6%, Dallas at -5.6%, Boston at -8.0%, Cleveland at -9.0%, Charlotte at -9.3%, New York at -11.8%, Portland at -15.3%, and Atlanta at -15.8%. As usual, Phoenix had the largest year-over-year drop, with prices falling 36% in a single year, forcing me to adjust the y-axis in the above chart.

Here’s an update to the peak-decline graph, inspired by a graph created by reader CrystalBall. This chart takes the twelve cities whose peak index was greater than 175, and tracks how far they have fallen so far from their peak. The horizontal axis shows the total number of months since each individual city peaked.

Case-Shiller HPI: Decline From Peak

In the twenty months since the price peak in Seattle prices have declined 22.5%. Seattle’s price decline this far from the peak improved slightly from the trendlines of Phoenix and Tampa. Speaking of Phoenix, prices have now fallen over 50% both there and in Las Vegas.

Here’s the “rewind” chart. The horizontal range is selected to go back just far enough to find the last time that Seattle’s HPI was as low as it is now. This gives us a clean visual of just how far back prices have retreated in terms of months.

Case-Shiller HPI: Seattle Price Reversion

Seattle’s Case-Shiller value for March 2009 of 149.03 came in just above its May 2005 value of 148.97. Prices are presently “rewinding” at about the same monthly rate they increased during early 2005.

Here’s an added bonus that I posted last month in the comments. The following chart takes the post-bubble years of 2007, 2008, and 2009 and indexes each January’s Case-Shiller HPI to 100 so we can get a picture of how this year’s declines compare to last year:

Post-Bubble Seattle Case-Shiller HPI by Year

So far prices are falling slightly faster than they did in 2008. If the trend follows last year, we can expect to see a slight uptick in next month’s numbers.

Lastly, here’s the month-to-month trend for Seattle that I posted this morning, with all March values highlighted:

Case-Shiller HPI

Check back tomorrow for a post on the Case-Shiller data for Seattle’s price tiers.

(Home Price Indices, Standard & Poor’s, 05.26.2009)

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