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October Reporting Roundup: Happy Fun Tax Credit Party Time!

By The Tim on November 6th, 2009 at 8:00 AM · 44 Comments

Time for the monthly reporting roundup, where I read all the local paper rehashes of the NWMLS press release so you don’t have to.

Here’s a link to this month’s NWMLS press release: Tax credit spurs big surge in Western Washington home sales

Before we get into the roundup, I’d like to take a moment to quote an excerpt from the monthly NWMLS data post from May, which was titled Huge Gap Opening Between Pending and Closed Sales (a subject that I first brought to your attention in August of last year).

The disconnect between pending sales and closed sales grows ever larger. … Something is becoming extremely fishy about the pending sales data.

…it is good to keep in mind when you start reading news reports in the coming weeks about the market supposedly picking back up. It’s an illusion.

Here’s a graphical representation of the 2009 sales illusion:

2009 Pending and Closed King Co. SFH Sales

Pending sales peaked at 2,447 in June, while so far closed sales have not made it higher than 1,758—a nearly 30% discrepancy. So far this year there have been at total of 20,025 pending SFH sales in King County, but only 12,986 actual closed sales. In other words, more than a third (35%) of pending sales have yet to materialize into closed sales. That difference is typically well under 10%.

Find me a newspaper that reported this growing issue last August.

Click below for this month’s roundup of gawking at the tax credit.

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September Reporting Roundup: Get your SURGE RALLY on!

By The Tim on October 6th, 2009 at 12:48 PM · 88 Comments

Time for the monthly reporting roundup, where I read all the local paper rehashes of the NWMLS press release so you don’t have to.

First up, an excerpt from the NWMLS press release itself: Northwest MLS brokers agree "there’s a lot to be optimistic about"

“There’s a lot to be optimistic about,” according to one director of the Northwest Multiple Listing Service upon reviewing summary statistics for September’s housing activity. The report shows a big jump in pending sales compared to a year ago (up almost 27 percent), continued drops in inventory (down 17.7 percent versus a year ago) and brisk demand for homes at the lower end of the price spectrum.

Joe Spencer, president and COO of John L. Scott Real Estate, estimates up to 10 percent of pending sales do not close because they’re caught in the short sale cycle. Still, he comments, “There is a lot to be optimistic about.” He cites interest rates that are now in the high four percents as bordering “on being epic” and the federal tax credit as stimulants to the market.

Activity at open houses is reported to be brisk in many areas…

Sweet! The return of the ever-popular “open house traffic” metric of market health. I love it. Also classic is the heavy focus on the pending sales stat, which has been rendered practically meaningless in the past year. FYI, that 10% estimate is way too low. I’d put it around 20-25%.

Anyway, click below to read the rest of this month’s reporting roundup, in which the incredible surge and uplifting rally is detailed by the enthusiastic local press corps.

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Bottom-Calling Checkup: No Bottom In Sight Yet

By The Tim on July 31st, 2009 at 6:00 AM · 58 Comments

Back in February while the market’s deep freeze was leading some observers to anxiously declare that we had reached the bottom, here at Seattle Bubble we sliced and diced the market in Bottom-Calling Week. In the series we explored six different analytical methods for predicting when real estate around Seattle would hit “the bottom.”

Six new months of Case-Shiller data have been released since that series and two potential bottom dates are now in the rear-view mirror. It seems like good time for a little checkup.

First up, Method 0: Blind Optimism. Our “Blind Optimism” forecast method was based on a mere gut feeling that January was the peak for year-over-year drops. This method predicted a bottom in February at 16.9% off the peak. Let’s see how that turned out:

Bottom-Calling Method 0: Blind Optimism

I guess we can put that one to bed. February was definitely not the bottom.

Next, let’s check in on Bottom-Calling: Inventory-Based Forecast, which was based on the relationship between standing inventory (”active listings”) and home prices that Deejayoh explored in his post Why Inventory Matters, and predicted a bottom in April at 20.1% off the peak.

Bottom-Calling Method 1: Inventory-Based Forecast

Looks like April wasn’t the bottom either. Although, in fairness, in the time since we made this forecast, we discovered that the NWMLS changed the definition of “active listing” back in July 2008 a way that resulted in lower inventory being reported at the end of the month. So it’s no real surprise that this method turned out not to be very reliable.

Lastly, let’s check in on a summary of where we’re at so far with respect to all six of our bottom-calling methods:

Bottom-Calling: May 2009 Update

Our official February 2009 call was for 36% off the peak in December 2010. Six months later, I’m still comfortable sticking with that guess.

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John Talbott on Spotting the Bottom in Seattle Real Estate

By The Tim on February 21st, 2009 at 12:09 PM · 136 Comments

In yesterday’s Bottom-Calling conclusion discussion, Sniglet asked:

If Mr. Talbott’s predictions were to come true, and we reverted to 1997 prices, what would those be? What percentage of a decline would we be talking about for the Seattle area?

I responded:

Based on the January 1997 King County SFH Median of $179,500, and using the bls.gov inflation calculator, that would be a bottom median of $236,138 in 2009 dollars.

Total drop: 51% from the July 2007 peak of $481,000 (in nominal dollars).

Obviously that’s quite a tumble, much larger than any of the forecasts presented this week. As I stated in the conclusion, all of these forecasts are basically assuming that the current economic problems are essentially just a “hiccup.” I think there’s a decent chance this is not the case.

Well, Contagion author John Talbott himself decided to chime into the discussion, and stands by the 50% off prediction for Seattle home prices:

You are right, if Seattle returns to 1997 pricing as I predict it will mean a decline of about 50% in home prices from the peak. This is optimistic, not pessimistic, as this only brings homes back to where they were before all this crazy mortgage lending started. Banks are going to be lending 4 times your income for a home, not 8 times.

And my numbers assume that Microsoft, Boeing and high tech in Seattle all remain vibrant growing industries, a bad assumption if we head into depression, Small high tech is dead as venture capital is gone now that there are no IPO exit strategies, MS is acting more and more like a staid old bureaucracy (have you tried to run Vista – a complete nightmare) and will be attacked by i-phone apps and declining international sales and I don’t know anyone who is going to buy an airplane in the next ten years.

The situation is really much worse than you hear on the news because the guys that got us into this mess, big corporations and banks and Wall Street, continue to bribe your Congressmen to be bailed out now and prevent real meaningful reform necessary to turn around the system.

Thanks for joining the discussion, John. So what do you all think of Mr. Talbott’s prediction? Optimistic? Pessimistic? Realistic?

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Bottom-Calling: So Where’s the Bottom?

By The Tim on February 20th, 2009 at 12:00 PM · 73 Comments

So, after analyzing five (or six) different forecast methods, slicing and dicing the data, and squeezing out as many predictions as we can in a week, we’re left with one simple question: Where is the bottom?

Here’s a summary of the bottom months for each of the forecasts we looked at this week:

Bottom-Calling: Seattle Summary

Even if we discount the “Blind Optimism” forecast, that’s still a range of almost three years and over 20 percentage points between the most optimistic forecast and the most pessimistic one. As each of these bottom dates and percent declines come and go, we’ll post updates here so you can adjust your own bottom-catching strategies.

Of course, one thing that none of these forecasts really takes into consideration is the possibility of a deep and prolonged recession or depression. The underlying assumption behind any real estate market bottom in the next few years is that the overall economy at least flattens out. If things continue to deteriorate, or if we really are going through “The Great Reset,” all bets are off when it comes to any of these forecasts.

Along these same lines, it is important to realize that coming up with a perfect mathematical forecast model for a market like this is impossible. There are simply too many variables. With these forecasts, we have done the best we can to come up with some reasonable models, but every model has its own flaws.

On the whole, I have attempted to be relatively fair in these forecasts. However, one could certainly make the point that a number of my assumptions have been too optimistic. For one such view, feel free to refer to John Talbott, the author that published the prescient book The Coming Crash in the Housing Market in 2003 (3 years before the national peak), followed by Sell Now!: The End of the Housing Bubble in January 2006 (just months before the nationwide market began to deteriorate). In his latest book, Contagion, he forecasts that home prices will retreat to 1997 levels, adjusted for inflation. Looking at the long-term inflation-adjusted chart of Seattle home prices, I can see how such a prediction might be within the realm of possibility.

However, limiting my selection to the range of information presented in the five forecasts featured on these pages this week, I put the most weight on the Dollars per Square Foot, Case-Shiller Mirror, and Affordability forecasts. If we take the average of those three, we’d be looking at a bottom sometime in mid to late 2010, at around 35% total depreciation from the peak. This would put us back to roughly early 2004 pricing, which seems about right to me based on the long-term fundamentals.

So my personal bottom call for the Seattle real estate market, given the information available in February 2009, is December 2010 at 36% off the peak. As with my likelihood ratings on the individual forecasts, this is a totally subjective determination, assigned according to my gut feeling after working with the data. Treat it accordingly.

Bottom-Calling Week on Seattle Bubble

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Bottom-Calling: San Diego Lag Forecast

By The Tim on February 20th, 2009 at 6:00 AM · 39 Comments

As regular readers of Seattle Bubble are aware, one of the most popular (and simultaneously one of the most controversial) charts we publish on a regular basis is the “Behind the Cycle” graph, which shows the year-over-year changes in Seattle and Portland’s Case-Shiller HPIs offset by 17 months from the YOY changes in the HPIs for San Diego and Los Angeles.

Ever since we first introduced this graph in June 2007, we have stated that it is totally speculative, not intended to be predictive, and for entertainment purposes only. Of course, in the twenty months since then, the lines have continued to track amazingly close together. So what the heck, let’s see what things might look like if the San Diego lag were predictive.

Our final bottom-calling forecast is based on the premise that YOY changes in Seattle’s Case-Shiller HPI will continue to track closely to San Diego’s performance from 17 months prior.

Here are our basic assumptions for the San Diego Lag forecast:

  • Seattle’s peak YOY drop will be ~45% lower than San Diego’s.
    (Seattle’s peak YOY increase (18.5%) was ~45% lower than San Diego’s (33.5%).)
  • San Diego’s peak YOY drop will have been October 2008 at -26.7%.
  • Therefore, Seattle’s peak YOY drop will be 14.7%.
  • Seattle’s peak YOY drop will come 17 months after San Diego’s, in March 2010.
  • YOY price changes will move back to zero at the same rate they fell from zero.

Given these assumptions, here’s a rough picture of what Seattle’s Case-Shiller Home Price Index would look like through early 2012:

Bottom-Calling Method 5: San Diego Lag Forecast

Using the San Diego Lag forecast model, Seattle-area home prices (as measured by the Case-Shiller HPI) will hit bottom in early 2012, giving up a little over 40% of their peak values.

The price point at the bottom using this forecast is similar to yesterday’s Affordability Index Forecast, but the timeline is extended out slightly over a year further.

In my opinion, this so-called forecast is based on too many unknowns to be of much worth. Has San Diego really seen the end of increasingly negative YOY price changes? We’ve only got a single month of increasing YOY values, which certainly can’t be called a trend. Furthermore, even if YOY price drops in SoCal have reached their most extreme point, what’s to say they won’t just languish in the -20% to -25% range for a year?

In the end, I stand by my monthly disclaimer on the “Behind the Cycle” chart. Any bottom-calling based on something as tenuous as an apparent 17-month lag with no real firm explanation behind it can only really be considered entertainment.

Method 5: San Diego Lag Forecast (Summary)
Bottom Month: March 2012
Bottom Value: 41.5% off peak
Likelihood*: 10%

* Likelihood is a totally subjective value assigned according to The Tim’s gut feeling. Treat it accordingly.

Bottom-Calling Week on Seattle Bubble

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