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Forbes: Seattle Most Likely to Rebound

By The Tim on November 4th, 2008 at 10:04 AM · 57 Comments

In a story eerily similar to SmartMoney’s “best shape for a rebound” article Forbes once again places Seattle #1 on their own list of Real Estate Markets Most Likely To Rebound.

The best cities in which to invest are those that are considered gateways to international investment, have vital downtowns where people can forgo cars, and don’t have a glut of condos or office space.

These traits landed Seattle the No. 1 spot on the list. No city scored above a 6.15 on a scale of one to nine (one being an abysmal place to invest and nine being excellent).

Seattle is “a diversified market, has a good base of business and is becoming a 24-hour city,” says Stephen Blank, senior resident fellow, finance, of the Urban Land Institute. “It’s going to be in a good position to come back.”

Although the city is suffering from the loss of Washington Mutual and the downsizing of Starbucks, Boeing and Microsoft are still relatively strong. Apartment vacancies are low and there aren’t too many new buildings going up, meaning the market won’t be oversupplied. The same is true in the retail space.

I’m really curious what their definition of “too many new buildings” is, because as a recent Seattle Times article pointed out:

More than 2,300 condo units are under construction in the two city centers, according to figures compiled by principal Dean Jones of the condo-marketing firm Realogics. Almost all are scheduled for delivery within the next year.

And that’s just in downtown Seattle and Bellevue. The Forbes article clearly is referring to the greater Seattle area, since they mention Boeing and Microsoft, which have very little presence in the actual Seattle city limits. How many condos, apartments, and housing developments are coming online without buyers when you consider the entire metro area?

(Dorothy Pomerantz, Forbes, 10.29.2008)

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More Good List-Based “News” from Forbes

By The Tim on October 16th, 2008 at 6:00 AM · 30 Comments

The constant stream of lists from Forbes provides a great distraction and source of amusement. Their latest list is no exception. Behold the ten “Best Cities To Ride Out The Recession”:

  1. Austin, TX
  2. Oklahoma City, OK
  3. Honolulu, HI
  4. Portland, OR
  5. Tulsa, OK
  6. Virginia Beach, VA
  7. Seattle, WA
  8. Baltimore, MD
  9. Boston, MA
  10. Lancaster, PA

From the article:

The economy faces a tough recession, but it won’t hit equally everywhere. While some places will get pummeled, others will be far less scathed.

There are cities better poised to weather the crisis. Unemployment is on the rise almost everywhere, but in northwest cities like Portland and Seattle, northeast cities like Boston and Baltimore or energy and agriculture cities like Oklahoma City, Tulsa and Austin, it remains low.

Here’s a link to the summary of their “methodology,” in which they explain that the list is derived from looking at real estate data from Zillow, NAR, and Case-Shiller, job data, income estimates, and GDP for each city.

The hilarious thing to me is that basketball-stealing Oklahoma City was #2, while Seattle placed five spots lower at #7, also getting beat by Tulsa and Portland. Ouch.

Coincidentally, BusinessWeek generated a “Best Cities for Riding Out a Recession” list of its own (related article), which places Seattle lower, but still in the top 20:

  1. Arlington, VA
  2. District of Columbia
  3. Durham, NC
  4. Madison, WI
  5. Boston, MA
  6. Pittsburgh, PA
  7. Baltimore, MD
  8. Baton Rouge, LA
  9. New Orleans, LA
  10. Philadelphia, PA
  11. Lubbock, TX
  12. Anchorage, AK
  13. Lexington-Fayette, KY
  14. Buffalo, NY
  15. Lincoln, NE
  16. Irvine, CA
  17. Seattle, WA
  18. Chesapeake, VA
  19. Albuquerque, NM
  20. Corpus Christi, TX


Hey, we’re ten spaces lower than on the Forbes list, but at least we didn’t get beat by Oklahoma City.

(Joshua Zumbrun, Forbes, 10.15.2008)
(Prashant Gopal, BusinessWeek, 10.14.2008)

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Forbes: Seattle is #1

By The Tim on October 3rd, 2008 at 9:04 AM · 54 Comments

Good news everyone! Seattle is at the top of another one of Forbes’ famous lists!

Hardest And Easiest Places To Sell A Home

As the dismal U.S. housing market slides further downhill—home prices in July posted a 16.3% annual drop—some sellers are unloading their homes to bargain-hunters.

But in cities like Seattle, Jacksonville, Fla., and St. Louis—the hardest major cities in which to sell a home—even sellers who have substantially lowered their prices aren’t finding it easy to move their houses.

Here’s the specific entry for #1 ranked Seattle. Here’s the whole list of Forbes’ hardest places to sell a home:

  1. Seattle, WA
  2. St. Louis, MO
  3. Jacksonville, FL
  4. Atlanta, GA
  5. Manhattan, NY (Condos)
  6. Charlotte, NC
  7. Columbus, OH
  8. Chicago, IL
  9. Detroit, MI
  10. Cleveland, OH
  11. Miami, FL
  12. Boston, MA
  13. Tampa, FL
  14. Milwaukee, WI
  15. New York, NY
  16. Denver, CO
  17. San Jose, CA
  18. Minneapolis, MN

The list is based on a single statistic, the total YOY drop in home sales for each city as of July, according to the latest report from Radar Logic (pdf). Seattle comes in with a 43.7% drop in home sales, with #2-ranked St. Louis showing a 36.1% drop.

(Francesca Levy, Forbes, 10.02.2008)

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Link Roundup: Incentives, Economic Woes, Alt-A, and More

By The Tim on August 4th, 2008 at 10:11 AM · 28 Comments

Here are a few stories from the last week or so that are worth pointing out.

First up a TV report from KOMO News: “Open House” — sign of the times in Snohomish County

Real estate agents in Snohomish County are now resorting to a “shock treatment” for slouching home sales in their area.

Realtors advertised more than 400 open houses over the weekend. Agents say they hope playing the numbers game adds-up to more home sales.

“It’s to get the public excited about all the great listings they can see out here today,” said Rich Williamson, President of the Snohomish County Association of Realtors. “It’s a chance to see more homes than they ever saw in one day or one weekend.”

Chris Lamoreaux says the housing market story is more than just numbers.

“We’re going fight the media that’s been negative about the housing market,” he said. “The real estate market in Snohomish County and the Puget Sound is excellent.”

That darn media, always being so negative about the housing market. I wonder if anyone can find me a quote from a real estate agent thanking the media for all the positive press when the housing market was gangbusters? Let me know if you come up with anything.

Moving to the opposite end of the Sound, down in Thurston county the “incentives” are flowing strong. The Olympian reports: Home sellers turn to incentives to draw buyers

A new Honda scooter, a trip to a Caribbean destination and a chance to win free gasoline are just some of the incentives that South Sound real-estate agents are using to entice prospective buyers in a slower housing market.

Some agents, though, are split on whether such incentives and other marketing efforts are worthwhile. Re/Max Four Seasons broker and owner Dean Stohl says the best approach for home sellers in this cooler housing climate is to think carefully about the sale.

“The most important ‘non-gimmick’ are sellers pricing the property competitively and making sure it is in ‘tip-top’ condition before putting it on the market,” he said.

Still, some agents are rolling out increasingly creative hooks to land that next sale because sales have cooled since the piping-hot years of 2005 and 2006.

Sounds like Dean Stohl has it figured out. Good luck to all those salesmen thinking that the prospect of paying 30 years of interest on a scooter will sell houses, though.

Another great column from the P-I’s Bill Virgin popped up last week as well: Economic woes could run deep in the region

As large and influential as those companies [Washington Mutual, Weyerhaeuser, Starbucks, Costco] are, there are less-visible layers of small and medium-sized companies that also keep the region’s economy moving.

Or not.

Those smaller outfits are dealing with the pressures and headaches of a slowing economy, some generated by the same factors plaguing large companies, others the result of cutbacks and retrenchments by larger companies with which those smaller firms do business.

“In today’s deteriorating economic climate, the ranks of companies feeling the pinch are growing,” writes Michael Newsome, a principal with Seattle-based investment banking firm Zachary Scott, in a recent newsletter. “Even in a fairly buoyant Northwest economy, we are entering a period of rationalization that will cut across industries. For a number of companies, depressed consumer confidence, ballooning energy costs, restricted credit access and, before long, higher interest rates will trigger sufficient financial distress to mandate restructurings and, in some cases, business sales or outright liquidations.

It’s nice to have at least one voice of realism in the local press. Too bad it seems like nobody is listening. Most people would rather believe that pink ponies will dance through the streets of Seattle forever and ever than consider the possibility that economic slowdown might actually affect us here.

Here’s one a few people pointed out. The latest top-ten list from Forbes’ Matt Woolsey is America’s Most Overpriced ZIP Codes. Guess who gets #3?

3. Seattle, Wash.

Downtown
ZIP code: 98104
Purchase-to-rent spread: 30.3

Until recently, Seattle has been held up as the example of a city immune to price drops as its market posted price increases from 2006 to early 2008. But as transaction volume has slipped and prices have flattened or fallen in many neighborhoods, the downtown area, near Pioneer Square, which experienced some of the most rapid price escalations during the boom, particularly in condos, appears vulnerable to correction.

Hooray for Seattle.

Lastly, here’s one from the national news scene. New York Times: Default rates for “alt-A” loans increasing

The first wave of Americans to default on their home mortgages appears to be cresting, but a second, far larger one is quickly building.

Homeowners with good credit are falling behind on their payments in growing numbers, even as the problems with mortgages made to people with weak, or subprime, credit are showing their first, tentative signs of leveling off after two years of spiraling defaults.

The percentage of mortgages in arrears in the category of loans one rung above subprime, so-called alternative-A mortgages, quadrupled to 12 percent in April from a year earlier. Delinquencies among prime loans, which account for most of the $12 trillion market, doubled to 2.7 percent in that time.

But I thought subprime was contained.

(Eric Schudiske, KOMO News, 07.28.2008)
(Rolf Boone, The Olympian, 08.04.2008)
(Bill Virgin, Seattle P-I, 07.30.2008)
(Matt Woolsey, Forbes.com, 07.29.2008)
(Vikas Bajaj, New York Times, 08.04.2008)

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Forbes: Seattle 5th Best Market to Invest In

By The Tim on July 15th, 2008 at 1:32 PM · 113 Comments

Believe it or not, Matt Woolsey is still writing bullish real estate pieces for Forbes (some of his previous work). His latest gem: Top U.S. Real Estate Markets For Investment

Encouraged by a weak dollar and a belief in the resiliency of the U.S. economy, individuals like [Australian dentist Rahul] Reddy, along with institutional investors such as pension funds and private equity groups, are seeking investment properties and development opportunities in the United States.

Their markets of choice include New York City, Los Angeles, Washington, D.C., Seattle and San Francisco.

The bullishness of the article was at least somewhat moderated this time around:

“The U.S. is good for speculative higher-risk investments from our perspective because the strong Australian dollar will enable us to gain hold of properties at prices we will probably not see for a long time,” says Reddy. “The U.S. is an economic powerhouse that I think will recover, and if the exchange rate goes back to figures from a few years ago, that will benefit us.”

Key word there: Risk. With every passing month, a few pieces of conventional wisdom fall by the wayside.

Since Forbes is so fond of the top 10 list format, here are their top 10 US markets for real estate “investment.”

  1. New York, NY
  2. Washington, DC
  3. Los Angeles, CA
  4. San Francisco, CA
  5. Seattle, WA
  6. Boston, MA
  7. Chicago, IL
  8. Las Vegas, NV
  9. Phoenix, AZ
  10. Orlando, FL

Here’s what he has to say about Seattle on that list:

American investors have been a little ahead of the curve on the opportunities available in Seattle. While the residential real estate market has cooled, Seattle has so far bucked the unemployment trends plaguing much of the national economy. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, metro area unemployment has remained flat in year-over-year terms at 3.7%, something that bodes well for commercial and retail investment opportunities.

I thought we had heard the last of the “bucking the trend” clichés, but apparently not. It also seems that Mr. Woolsey is using rather dated information, since the latest unemployment statistics for the Seattle area showed a sharp increase, which throws the trend-bucking idea out the window.

But don’t let the facts deter you if you want to throw your money at a real estate “investment” in Seattle. We are the fifth best market according to Forbes, after all.

(Matt Woolsey, Forbes, 07.10.2008)

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Redfin Flourishing Despite Downturn, Dirty Tricks

By The Tim on January 30th, 2008 at 9:53 AM · 45 Comments

A couple of national outlets have had interesting stories about Redfin in the last few days. Since you’re not likely to read about it in the “we pretend Redfin doesn’t exist” local agent blogs, I thought I’d highlight them here. First up is a New York Times story that claims the bursting of the real estate bubble isn’t stopping Redfin (or Zillow, Terabitz, and Trulia) from growing.

It was late October, and Redfin, an online real estate brokerage firm based in Seattle, had received just three months earlier a $12 million investment led by the marquee venture capital firm Draper Fisher Jurvetson. In the interim, the mortgage industry melted down, foreclosures spiked and housing sales slowed to a crawl. Now, one of Redfin’s biggest markets, Los Angeles, was battling a series of wildfires and Redfin’s sales had stopped cold.

Redfin was not the only victim of bad timing. Venture capitalists poured about $50 million into three other real estate Web sites last year — Zillow, Terabitz and Trulia — only to watch the market enter a historic slide.

Now, although most of the real estate industry wishes it could fast-forward through 2008, these online start-ups are surviving nicely. Each company recently reported strong sales and increases in Web traffic. Trulia surged to the top by the end of 2007, from sixth place in 2006, according to Nielsen Online.

Although these sites are not growing as quickly as they might have during a bullish market, they are at least growing.

“In September, we thought it was maybe the beginning of a very long downturn,” said Glenn Kelman, Redfin’s chief executive. “But for whatever reason, the last few months have been very strong for us.”

The second story, from Forbes, chronicles some of the unique trials Refin has faced as they have positioned themselves as an alternative to traditional brokerages.

Glenn Kelman, Redfin’s chief executive, knew it wouldn’t be easy to shake up the real estate brokerage business. Tradition-minded and protective of their turf, Realtors don’t take kindly to discounters. Still, says Kelman, he scarcely anticipated the dirty tricks aimed at his online discount brokerage.

In southern California Redfin’s for-sale signs are often knocked down, stolen or smashed. In Seattle a traditional Realtor posted Kelman’s address online, and a sturdy Redfin yard sign at his house was soon hacked down. In a national forest near Yosemite National Park someone affixed fake Redfin bumper stickers to signs, trees and rocks to make the company look like a shameless promoter and defiler of the environment. After Redfin staffers removed the stickers, which they have never used to pitch the Seattle company, the trickster started tossing the signs, attached to weights, into branches of sequoias. “I never considered how violent the reaction to us would be and what that would mean to our customers,” says Kelman, 37.

Yikes. If that’s how some of these real estate “professionals” act, I guess I can understand why many of my bubble-blogging counterparts around the country have chosen to remain anonymous.

(Bob Tedeschi, New York Times, 01.28.2008)
(Christopher Steiner, Forbes, 01.2008)

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