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Looking back to look forward: Snohomish Co.

By S-Crow on January 8th, 2008 at 10:37 AM · 20 Comments

I want to talk about Snohomish Co., not that there’s anything wrong with King Co. (hey, I grew up on 23rd and Prospect on Capitol Hill, so I know the area). Not everyone in Snohomish Co. drives Ford trucks, has big hair/mullet and listens to Cinderella or Quiet Riot. Yeah, cheap shot. Moving on…

The question most interesting to me is that of “who understood the path we were on during the last three years or so and who did not? And, why? What shaped their perceptions?” I’m an amateur enthusiast of the markets with a small wrinkle, so you can take what I discuss with a grain of salt if you wish. The wrinkle is that I have no credentials whatsoever other than being on the front lines, per se. I have no interest in a slowing market, as it translates into lower revenue, but I do have in interest in assisting readers in garnering sensible market knowledge. And I’m very keen on strategies to keep money in consumers pockets, but that is for another day and another blog.

In escrow you see what the majority of those outside can’t and to a scale (conservatively) of roughly 50:1— meaning that your average allied real estate professional is closing one transaction for every 50+ in a busy escrow office. It is an interesting perch to be on, looking at the frenzy below like an Eagle in wait. The simple graph below show steady price increases in Snohomish Co. in 2006 up from 2004 and 2005 levels. During 2007 you can see that the market bounced around and was “trying to find its legs.”

In late 2006, something very interesting occurred. Agents started to see very small downward pricing adjustments appear in the NWMLS. Why did it catch my interest? Because downward price adjustments were virtually non-existent during all of 2005 and much of 2006. As we moved along into the 4th quarter of 2006 and beyond, the downward price adjustments for listed property picked up a steam and continued in earnest throughout 2007. As inventory began to increase, houses taking longer to sell, other characteristics started to come into play as well. Sales incentives started showing up— in commissions paid to agents and in other forms such as cars, trips or upgrades in new construction. These distinctive signs were the beginning of the “winds of change.”

Today, the one common denominator everyone can agree on is that the market has changed. One of the changes I’ve noticed is the pool of entrants into the market are meaningfully healthier, at least in closings our office has performed. For example, the credit worthiness and down payments of recent clients are of higher caliber. Also, casual interactions (with people who don’t know I’m in the business) over the past month or so lead me to believe that housing is really on the forefront of minds, perhaps superseding that of our election year festivities. There are not many places you can frequent without somebody discussing housing. Much of this is attributed to news and the mortgage and credit market dysfunction that came to a head in August, just a few months ago.

I thought I would tap a few of my resources to find out how 2007 ended the year compared to the market of 2006 in Snohomish County. My interest is in single family home data, so the simple chart below exclude condominiums. The focus on single family homes really is two-fold in my mind. First, the majority of housing inventory is single family homes, both resale and new construction. Second, I am of the belief that the inventory of resale homes is a bellwether for the general sales activity of the market and is most easily understood as it impacts and triggers sales activity of other segments of the market.

As 2007 came to a close and I had some time to look through files and reflect over the differences of 2006 and 2007 transactions, I came away with a few things:

  • the transactions our company closed in the 2nd half of 2007 involved more price negotiations
  • there were more inspection related work orders (just about non-existent in 2005-06.)
  • more commission credit being allocated to a buyer or seller from agents
  • started to see more repeat clients in the refinance arena
  • started seeing distress sales and distress refinance transactions (must refi or must sell)
  • anecdotal pricing confusion was evident as the market tried to get it “legs” back. Seller confusion about the direction of the market started to become noticeable in wide pricing swings.
  • some sellers today are probably still unrealistic about what the market will bear in today’s credit environment and are not necessarily prepared for expectations of buyers who believe they are now in the drivers seat.

In Snohomish County, we have gone from a median single family home (SFH) price of about $382,500 in March of 2007 to close out the year at $358,000, a meaningful adjustment. Sales of SFH’s finished the year in December 2007 at 570 units sold vs. 950 in December of 2006 (excluding the for sale by owner market). To give you a scale of price increase the county experienced since Jan of 2004 to the median price peak in 2007: the median price in January 2004 was $232,433 and at the peak in March of 2007 it reached $382,500.

Looking back, there is absolutely no question in my mind that one of the largest triggers of the price increases was due to the type of financing available: 100% loans with sellers increasing prices over and above the list price to offset buyer closing costs paid by the seller to fulfill that type of loan program. It was artificial appreciation at its core, not based upon traditional fundamentals. And that is the biggest story nobody covers. Today, the removal of many of these products (or heavily pared down with many strings attached such as low LTV, large down payment, can afford the loan and 700+ FICO scores), has led to the opposite market movement.

Snohomish SFH Prices
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My best assessment of the market moving forward is that we will see sustained inventory, probably increasing, (after one week of 2008, we are already off to a swift start) which will lead to further price pressure even in the realm of what I would consider exceptionally good interest rates on mortgages. As of today, a few resources have indicated that 30 yr fixed rates have been as low as 5.375 paying 1/8th of a point to 5.5 at par. For those that have decided that buying is right for them, it is hard to argue against locking in 30 yr rates at these levels. Just a few weeks ago they were over 6%. In light of the recent drop in 30 yr fixed rates, I expect to see a tick up in mortgage refinance activity and perhaps some sales as well. Overall, I’m bearish on the market in aggregate. I hope I’m mistaken.

Once again, thanks for those that have supported our small business during 2007 and have corresponded with me during the last couple years or so.

S-Crow

“Debt is real, equity is a matter of opinion.”

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Has Seattle Reached a new Plateau?

By The Tim on September 4th, 2007 at 11:55 AM · 57 Comments

A reader going by the name Angie has been making some comments on a couple of posts the last few days that merit further discussion:

…the fact is that in some places in the US all but the very rich have been priced out forever! NYC, coastal southern California, San Francisco, etc, etc. It’s been that way for a long time…but it wasn’t always that way. At some point whatever factors converge, demand forever exceeds supply, and the rest is history.

We’re landlocked like SF and the weather is arguably better. The local economy has diversified enough to keep the town afloat consistently. I’ve long thought that the prices here are headed into San Francisco territory–out of reach of the average Jane and Joe once and for all. Priced out forever!

I think housing in Seattle really is entering the realm of “permanently unaffordable” to average earners…

“Serious limited supply” is exactly what I’m talking about. Unless we get housing density like New York City, there is no way the city of Seattle is going to be able to house all the people who are projected to come here in the next 10 years. Supply is always going to be less than demand.

Angie touches on a number of points that have been discussed here before. The crux of the argument Angie is presenting seems to be that housing supply is not keeping up with demand, and as a result Seattle has crossed a threshold of affordability, reaching a sort of permanently high price plateau. (Angie, if I have mischaracterized your argument, please correct me.)

I have a few problems with Angie’s hypothesis (most of which are covered in the posts linked by Matthew in reply to Angie).

First, I don’t think you can reasonably argue that “supply not keeping up with demand will keep prices rising” while simultaneously ignoring the fact that during the years of highest appreciation, supply exceeded demand. In fact, from 2000 to 2005, an average of approximately 841 housing units were constructed in King County every month. During that same time frame, only 339 new households (net) moved to King County. The increase in supply exceeded the increase in demand (which by the way, was not driven by job growth) by more than double, Seattle was in the midst of the dot-com/9-11 economic fallout, and yet prices increased by a healthy 7% per year (average).

The only explanation for that is easy lending + speculation. If prices were inflated by psychological factors, why would (presumed) economic factors keep them at an already artificially high level? Who is to say that the next 10-20 years of actual “positive fundamentals” hasn’t already been factored into today’s prices, giving them plenty of space to fall back down to earth?

My second issue with Angie’s tale is the assumption that supply will not be able to keep up with demand in the near future (10 years). Consider the 6,000 to 10,000 new condos that will hit downtown by 2010. Drive just a few minutes out of Seattle proper, and consider the dozens and dozens of cookie-cutter housing developments in progress scattered throughout south Snohomish County and east King County. Are there really going to be that many people moving here? Show me the data, because as I showed above, the only hard data I can find shows that construction is exceeding population growth by a good margin. Construction in the Puget Sound seems to actually be accelerating, not tapering off.

Another problem is that Angie’s comments seem to be referring solely to Seattle proper. While the city itself may be somewhat “landlocked,” King, Pierce, and Snohomish counties are fairly well-connected to each other, geographically speaking. Furthermore, outside of Seattle and Bellevue (but still inside the Urban Growth Boundaries) the counties are nowhere near capacity as far as single-family home development goes. Look out your window the next time you fly out of Seatac, and compare the density below to what you see as you fly over the north-east coast, or the south SF Bay Area. There’s simply no comparison.

In my opinion, the easiest way to see that things are seriously out of whack is to look at the price to buy compared to the price to rent. In a sustainable market, the price-to-annual-rent ratio for housing is generally 11 or 12 (source). In King County right now it’s around 24.

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Somewhere Between Anxiety and Denial

By The Tim on August 21st, 2007 at 1:31 PM · 35 Comments

As the mortgage industry begins to crumble and home prices are declining across the nation, the local media and blogging real estate insiders seem to be getting a bit anxious. Maybe it’s just me, but take a look at some of the recent headlines:

Home values here still rising (Elizabeth Rhodes, Seattle Times)
Seattle-area homes are holding value, Zillow says (Aubrey Cohen, Seattle P-I)
No, Chicken Little, the sky isn’t falling… (Reba Haas, Rain City Guide)

Many recent reports such as these seem to have a tone of: “I swear, the housing market in Seattle is still strong! The mortgage mess won’t affect us at all, really!” Who can blame them, really? What else are people whose income depends on the continued strong performance of the local market going to say?

You’ve probably all seen the “Cycle of Market Emotions” on other housing blogs:

The Cycle of Market Emotions
Cycle of Market Emotions

Although it takes an ounce of actual critical thinking to see the cracks in Seattle’s housing market as of now, I believe that those most involved in the market can feel it in their bones. Whether they are consciously aware of it or not, the fear of what’s about to happen is starting to come through in what they write. Based on what I’m reading out there, I would place the general market sentiment in Seattle right now at somewhere between “Anxiety” and “Denial.”

Of course, some people are more willing than others to be frank about the situation facing us today. To her credit, Jillayne Schlicke over at Rain City Guide appears to be one of them, recommending in a frank post about the snowballing troubles at Countrywide, she recommends that employees there “polish your resumes and quietly begin making inquiries.”

And let’s not forget our old friend at the P-I, Bill Virgin, who pipes in on the ongoing mess with his usual wit and insight:

You can’t help reading the accumulating horror stories in the mortgage market… without shaking your head and wondering, “What were they thinking?”

Not the borrowers. The people making the loans.

The borrowers certainly deserve to be asked, “What were you thinking?” The explanations offered in answer range from, “I didn’t read it” to “They didn’t explain this to me” to “Maybe I fudged the numbers a bit” to “I didn’t count on my job/the housing market/ interest rates/the economy going bad on me.”

If ignorance born of laziness is unattractive in consumers, it’s inexcusable for the industry that was generating and selling these loans. Alternative explanations are hardly more absolving: Inexperience (”Housing markets only go up, right?”), hubris (”I know what I’m doing, those other clowns don’t.”) or greed (”As long as I get the loan made and sold, it’s not my problem.”).

The real world is not tolerant of such excuses, and it is a harsh grader on those who ignored, or never learned, the principles of responsible financial management.

Of course, it’s my opinion that anyone who didn’t see this kind of mess coming years ago was either not paying attention or willfully ignorant. I leave it as an exercise to the reader to determine which group of people falls into each category.

Who can say how this is all going to unfold in the coming months and years. All I know for sure is that these are definitely interesting times.

(Elizabeth Rhodes, Seattle Times, 08.18.2007)
(Aubrey Cohen, Source, 08.13.2007)
(Reba Haas, Rain City Guide, 08.18.2007)
(Jillayne Schlicke, Rain City Guide, 08.20.2007)
(Bill Virgin, Seattle P-I, 08.20.2007)

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Center for Economic Policy Research paper: highlight’s fundamentals (largely ingnored) and the media’s role.

By S-Crow on August 13th, 2007 at 2:12 PM · 23 Comments

Hi Bubbleheads, doom ‘n gloomers and market enthusiasts ….

Good Reading: Via Jessica Swesey at Inman News blog gives us a glimpse into the mechanics of the bubble. She cites a paper released last week by Dean Baker of the Center for Economic & Policy Research asks:(PDF document & very easy reading with excellent analysis)

  • What about the fundamentals that were at odds with forecasts, particularly those economists from NAR (National Assoc. of Realtors), NAHB (National Association of Home Builders) and the MBA (Mortgage Brokers Assoc.)?
  • What role did the media play?
  • Why was it so difficult for many to see that housing prices were spiraling to absurd heights?

“In many cases, the experts worked for organizations that had a direct material interest in sustaining the bubbles. Voices of caution were rarely presented. When it came to some of the most fundamental financial decisions that families face, investing retirement funds and buying a home, the media were badly misinforming the public.”

- Center for Economic & Policy Research, August 2007.

In other news: I’ll be visiting Massachusetts late this week and into next week and will compare and contrast market conditions in New England vs. Washington State. I expect it to be interesting and I’m crossing my fingers I can talk with the CEO of one of the largest investment management companies in New England to discuss the recent liquidity crisis. Wish me luck because it is intimidating talking to someone who manages literally billions.

Your real estate market enthusiast,

“S-Crow” (Tim Kane)

Legacy Escrow Service, Inc.

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World-class not "merely boasting how darn great we are."

By The Tim on April 17th, 2007 at 7:24 AM · 30 Comments

If I were the egocentric type, I’d probably think that none other than the P-I’s Bill Virgin is a Seattle Bubble reader. A mere five days after I dispelled the notion that Seattle is “world class,” Bill delivers the exact same message to a broader audience in today’s column: So what makes a world-class city?

Is Seattle a world-class city?

During the heady days of No. 1 livability rankings and magazine covers and pop-culture references in music, movies and TV shows, Seattle got to thinking of itself as not just world-class but world-centric.

So should anyone care about whether Seattle is world-class?In fact, there is an aspect to world-class status that goes well beyond meaningless exercises in civic pride (or, some would argue, overly and unjustifiably inflated ego) that does matter, at least in the realm of business and economics.

Which brings us to the question of how Seattle stacks up as a world-class city in the business sense.

The answer: Maybe not as well as we used to believe.

Just about every discussion of the economic fortunes of this region focuses on two companies: Boeing and Microsoft — with considerable justification.

And after that, what other sectors are there of which we can boast world-class status? Natural resource businesses like timber and fishing no longer figure prominently in the regional economy, much less nationally. Seattle never did emerge as a biotech center the way boosters hoped.

Interestingly, one sector in which Seattle has emerged as a leader is one in which it had not traditionally been a significant player — retailing. Such is Starbucks’ status that it has influenced the direction of another giant, McDonald’s, while Costco on a national level has forced none other than Wal-Mart to react to it.

Still, the portfolio is a little thin in terms of making Seattle a world-class business center. That’s probably just fine with a lot of people. But if Seattle does aspire to world-class status as an economic development strategy, it’s got some work to do, beyond merely boasting how darn great we are.

If you have to tell everyone you’re world-class, maybe you really aren’t.

Ding ding ding! We have a winner. Bill “gets it.” Seattle is a nice city, but any way you look at things, it falls short of the “world class” title.

(Bill Virgin, Seattle P-I, 04.16.2007)

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On Luxury Cars and World Class Cities

By The Tim on April 12th, 2007 at 9:38 PM · 58 Comments

My car is so great. It has a built-in CD player, a driver’s seat with four independent adjustments, a tasteful spoiler, a spacious trunk, climate control, a powered sunroof, and gets over 30 miles to the gallon. It’s comfortable, good-looking, and fun to drive. My car is comparable to a BMW or a Lexus, and is a great fit for me. Did I mention how much I like it? I mean, BMW or Lexus are a good fit for some people, but they don’t really fit my style. You know though, it really is surprising how cheap it was for me to buy, considering how much other luxury cars go for these days…

So why am I rambling on about my car? What could this possibly have to do with home prices in Seattle?

Every once in a while someone tries to make the case that high home prices in Seattle are justified (or even that prices are too low) on account of what a swell city this is. Their argument goes something like this:

Seattle is so awesome! In fact, Seattle is so swell that it is completely reasonable to compare home prices here to cities such as New York and San Francisco, where homes are much more expensive! Seattle is after all a hip, up-and-coming world class city, probably even the hippest, most up-and-coming world class city around. So you see, it totally makes sense for home prices to shoot through the roof around here. We’re just catching up to other comparable cities.

I definitely agree that Seattle is a great place to live. Much like my car, Seattle has many attributes that I really like: low pollution, beautiful scenery, proximity to nature, and a decent job market, to name a few. That being said, comparing Seattle to New York or San Francisco is just as ridiculous as comparing my Saturn SL2 to a BMW or Lexus. They’re just not in the same league.

Although I already knew this was the case, since I don’t travel much (never been to New York, Boston, San Diego, and have only visited San Francisco once), it didn’t really personally hit home with me until my recent business trip to Chicago. Even though I only spent one afternoon cavorting about and seeing the sights, I was immediately struck with the impression of “this is what a real world class city looks like.”

These are a few of the things I noticed (and later researched) about Chicago.

Chicago

  • Density: 12,604 people per square mile (source)
  • Extensive Rail system, with 8 different lines running through the heart of downtown (source)
  • Over 2,100 acres of waterfront parks bordering the downtown core (Lincoln Park, Millennium Park, Grant Park, Burnham Park), over 2,800 acres of waterfront parks total
  • 16 major sports teams, with 28 total championship wins (source)
  • Strong blues, soul, jazz, and gospel music scene. Birthplace of House music. (source)
  • World famous government center (Richard J. Daley Center), world famous skyscraper (Sears Tower)

Now here’s how Seattle compares in those same categories.

Seattle

  • Density: 6,901 people per square mile (source)
  • Patchwork rail system, with an independent monorail, various street cars, disconnected, infrequent north-south routes, and various in-progress light rail lines. (source)
  • 18.1 acres of waterfront parks bordering the downtown core (Waterfront, Myrtle Edwards, Olympic Sculpture), over 600 acres of waterfront parks total
  • 6 major sports teams, with 4 total championship wins (source)
  • Alternative music scene. Birthplace of grunge. (source)
  • World famous landmark (Space Needle), well-known market (Pike Place Market)

If I had thought of it, I would have asked some Chicago natives whether they think Seattle is an “up-and-coming world class city.” I bet they would have laughed at me.

While I was researching this post, I came across the Wikipedia page on world class cities (or “global cities” as they are referred to on Wikipedia). It cites an “inventory of world cities” compiled by a university group in England. In their list, cities can have up to 12 points, with 10-12 point cities being considered “alpha world cities,” and so on down the list. Here is the summary of the US Cities categorized on their list:

Alpha world cities (full service world cities)

  • New York (12 points)
  • Chicago (10 points)
  • Los Angeles (10 points)

Beta world cities (major world cities)

  • San Francisco (9 points)

Gamma world cities (minor world cities)

  • Boston (6 points)
  • Dallas (6 points)
  • Houston (6 points)
  • Washington, D.C. (6 points)
  • Atlanta (4 points)
  • Miami (4 points)
  • Minneapolis (4 points)

Seattle shows up way down the list with 2 points, having “some evidence of world city formation.” Another categorization is quoted that lists “well rounded global cities” (such as New York, San Francisco, and Chicago) and “worldwide leading cities” (including Miami, Atlanta, and Denver), but Seattle is nowhere to be found on their list.

I mention these lists only to demonstrate that when I say “Seattle is not comparable to San Francisco or New York,” it’s not because I have some grudge against the city that I call home. I am not alone in my assessment of Seattle as a small city. It’s not my biased opinion, it’s a fact.

Again, I want to reiterate that I like it here. Seattle is great, and I am happy to call it home. But let’s be honest, it is disingenuous to compare Seattle to New York or San Francisco. Let’s enjoy Seattle for what it is instead of pretending it is something that it’s not.

Much in the same way that I would not pay $40,000 for a Saturn sedan, I am simply not willing to shell out $450,000 for an average house in Seattle.

Update: It seems I’ve got an ally in Seattle P-I columnist Bill Virgin.

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