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Poll: How much of a discount have you negotiated in your rent?

By The Tim on April 26th, 2009 at 12:05 AM · 12 Comments

Please vote in this poll using the sidebar.

How much of a discount have you negotiated in your rent?

  • Not renting or haven't renewed lease in the last 6 months. (31%, 56 Votes)
  • None. (36%, 64 Votes)
  • Less than 5% (6%, 10 Votes)
  • 5% to less than 10% (12%, 21 Votes)
  • 10% to less than 15% (7%, 12 Votes)
  • 15% to less than 20% (3%, 6 Votes)
  • 20% or more (5%, 10 Votes)

Total Voters: 179


This poll will be active and displayed on the sidebar through 05.02.2009.

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Reader Negotiates 25% Rent Discount from Equity Residential

By The Tim on April 24th, 2009 at 4:06 PM · 48 Comments

I received this rental negotiation success story from a reader via email, and thought it was worth sharing:

As a long time reader of your Seattle Bubble Blog, I knew that rents on their way down in King county. My Equity Residential owned apartment building in Redmond has experienced some huge increases in recent years, causing my rent to go up from $950 a month in 2001 to $1265 per month this year. Yesterday, I was sent a letter regarding my lease renewal. I was offered a relatively anemic rent decrease to $1209 a month, so I decided that I would haggle with them to get it lower.

I checked the Equity Residential website and found they were advertising a larger unit with 1 more bathroom for $997 a month, so I used the handy form on the website to express my interest in the unit, noting that I was a current resident and that I would like to move into this unit instead of paying more for renewing the lease on my current unit. I hoped that this method of sending a counter offer would be more effective than a verbal negotiation, and I was right. First thing this morning, I received a call from the apartment manager offering to renew me at a rate of $940 a month, a decrease of over 25%.

The nice thing for the local economy is that this gives me $325 a month extra in disposable income, which is better than any stimulus I have seen from the government so far. I thought I’d write you and let you know of my success so you could pass on my 21st century method of haggling to your readers. The market has definitely shifted back to favor the renter again.

The current rent price trend in Seattle is clear. If you’re not negotiating a lower rent when your lease comes up for renewal, you’re leaving money on the table—potentially a lot of money.

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Seattle Homes Still 10-20% Overpriced Compared to Rents and Incomes

By The Tim on April 2nd, 2009 at 11:11 AM · 83 Comments

Inspired by this post from Rich Toscano down in San Diego showing that home prices there have reached historically reasonable levels when compared to rents and incomes, I thought I would put together some similar charts for Seattle to see how close we are to reasonable home prices.

Here’s the chart for home prices to per capita incomes, from January 1990 (as far as Seattle’s Case-Shiller data goes back) through January 2009:

Seattle-Area Home Price to Income Ratio

As of January, Seattle’s home price to income ratio is at levels last seen in May 2002. Not bad, but still about 8% higher than the 1990-2001 average, and 16% higher than where the ratio bottomed out during the bust that followed the early ’90s housing boom.

And here’s the chart for home prices to rents:

Seattle-Area Home Price to Rent Ratio

The home price to rent comparison has “rewound” to approximately October 2003, and is overall less in balance from a historical perspective than the price-to-income ratio. January 2009’s value came in 23% higher than the 1990-2001 average, 34% higher than the previous bottom, and even 17% higher than the June 1990 peak value.

[Update: I should add that the specific area-wide rent ratio values are somewhat arbitrary, and are only really useful to compare to their own past performance. I strongly recommend against using them as a valuation tool for any specific home or neighborhood.]

It’s worth pointing out that both rents and incomes in the Seattle area are currently on downward trends of their own, which will only serve to prolong the inevitable correction to historically sustainable ratios.

The good news is that at the present rate of correction, Seattle-area home prices will likely hit the “reasonable” range compared to local incomes and rents sometime late this year to early next year. Note that home prices will likely continue to fall even after we hit that range, (as they are currently in San Diego), but that would at least indicate that homes are no longer overpriced with respect to historical fundamentals.

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Rental Supply Set to Skyrocket

By The Tim on February 6th, 2009 at 8:12 AM · 54 Comments

Wasn’t it just a year ago that we were still being regaled with stories about how tight the housing supply was in the Seattle area, and how our population has been growing so fast that construction just couldn’t keep up, so of course high home prices and increasing rents are going to continue forever and ever?

It looks like reality is a little bit, shall we say… different.

More than 100 condo buildings in King, Snohomish and Pierce counties — many of them apartments originally — are becoming rentals again because the units haven’t sold well in this down market, said Greg Wendelken, vice president and regional manager for brokerage Marcus & Millichap.

That, in combination with rising unemployment, will push the regional apartment vacancy rate to about 7.7 percent, Wendelken said, up from 5.6 percent last year and 4.3 percent in 2007.

Jim Hebert, of Bellevue-based Hebert Research, forecast a smaller increase, from 4.1 percent last year to 4.8 percent this year.

Who could have guessed it

(Eric Pryne, Seattle Times, 02.05.2009)

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To Buy or Rent – Not Just an Emotional Decision

By The Tim on January 10th, 2009 at 1:15 PM · 81 Comments

Here’s an interesting piece that ran in the Seattle Times today: To rent or to buy? The story of two couples

The decision to sell their house and go back to renting has meant more time and even more money for Jill and Dan Keto and their family.

“The point is, putting money into a house is not a wise allocation of funds right now,” says Keto. “And just because you have a home does not mean you will be happy.”

About the same time the Ketos were going from owners to renters, another 30-something couple and their 3-year-old Great Dane mix went the other way.

After renting an apartment on Capitol Hill for several year, Shana and Michael Graham decided to buy their first house. One of the reasons they made the jump was because they saw prices falling.

“You have to think of it as perceived value until you really have to sell it,” he says, comparing the housing market to the stock market. “It’s just a perception at this point about how much you would make or lose because it’s always changing.”

It’s interesting to read the rationale of people that are making these decisions right now.

Here are a few other tidbits pulled from the article:

The best thing to do is not think of a house as a short-term investment, says Danilo Pelletiere, research director for the National Low Income Housing Coalition, based in Washington, D.C.

“Ask yourself if you will feel really badly if you buy a house and it falls in value,” says Pelletiere. This won’t happen if you are buying for the right reasons — because you like the house and plan to stay for a while.

Anyone who plans to live in their house for five years or more would still be safe to buy, according to Pelletiere, who says that rule of thumb still applies even in this declining economy.

These comments are similar to something that was said in yesterday’s comment thread by Steve Tytler:

We may not bottom out on home prices this year, but if you are buying a home to live in for the next 10 years, who cares?

What Steve Tytler and Danilo Pelletiere both seem to be ignoring is what commenter patient pointed out:

If I can get the home 10% cheaper by waiting another year it will improve my cash flow for the time I have the mortgage. That is surely something to care about.

I ran the numbers on a scenario like this to see how much money we were talking about. Here’s what I came up with:

Say you are in the market to buy a home today, priced in the $400,000 range. You have $40k for a down payment. We will assume 5% interest rates.

If you buy now, your monthly outlay for principal and interest only is $1,933. Over a 10-year span, you spend $231,960.

If you wait a year and buy a similar house for 10% cheaper, your monthly outlay for PI is $1,718. Over a 10-year span you spend $206,160.

That’s a monthly savings of $215 (over 10%), while the 10-year savings is $25,800.

To me, saving $25,800 over the course of 10 years is nothing to say “who cares” to. Danilo Pelletiere said that if you buy a house for the “right reasons,” you won’t “feel really badly” if the price goes down. That’s all well and good, but passing up a savings of over $200 a month is a matter of my financial bottom line, not my emotional well-being.

What’s also amazing to me are some of the comments left by Seattle Times readers on the story:

So now the renters won’t have enough deductions to use the long form. No mortgage interest deduction, no property tax deduction, no sales tax deduction.

The only advantage I can see with renting is that you have no debt. But you forfeit all that leverage and tax deductions.

In addition to the favorable tax treatment realized by a homeowner in the form of itemized deductions and capital gains exemption, one should also consider the current actions of our federal government.

Clearly it’s going to take more than a year and a half of falling home prices to shatter the ingrained perception in many people’s minds that buying a home is always the right decision, no matter what.

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Weekend News Roundup

By The Tim on December 22nd, 2008 at 9:20 AM · 59 Comments

Here are a few local real estate stories to kick off this snowy Christmas week.

Aubrey Cohen, Seattle P-I: It’s refi — not buy — in Seattle’s housing market

Unusually low interest rates have spurred a run of mortgage refinancings in the Seattle area, but not necessarily more home purchases.

Andrew Gledhill, an associate economist at Moody’s Economy.com, said low rates were not enough to turn around the housing market or the wider economy.

The economic downturn has become increasingly global, affecting Seattle-area core industries such as software and aerospace, Gledhill said. Moody’s now expects Seattle-area home prices to decline just over 20 percent from the peak in the summer of 2007 to a low point by the end of next year.

After that, it will probably take until about 2014 for prices to get back to their 2007 level, he said. “It’s going to take several years for this to work itself out.”

Steve Tytler, Everett Herald: Can’t sell it? Tips on how to rent it

A lot of would-be home sellers are now finding themselves reluctantly becoming landlords in this slow housing market…

Rolf Boone, The Olympian: Foreclosures hit Northwest homes, business

Mortgage foreclosures in Thurston County increased more than 50 percent in 2008 compared with 2007, an indication the slowing economy is contributing to this growing problem, newly compiled data show.

Notice of trustee’s sales filed with the Thurston County Auditor’s office rose to 1,010 through Dec. 19, up from 662 in 2007.

Read any interesting stories this weekend in the real estate world? Share them here.

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