Ok... Who started the fire?
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sniglet
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 Ok... Who started the fire? It's confession time... Which Seattle bubblehead started the fire? The statistics of rising inventory and declining prices are scary enough in the Puget Sound. You didn't have to actually go and torch the icons to northwest McMansiondom! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23447353/
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david_mcmanus
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Re: Ok... Who started the fire? Even though, I can't stand the "street of materialistic dreams", I am 100% against what the ELF stands for and their terrorist practices. Find them and put em in jail.
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femto
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Re: Ok... Who started the fire? I wouldn't leap to conclusions yet about this being an act by ELF. They seem like an easy cover, and in the current environment there are many groups that could have either hostile feelings towards a homebuilder, or a direct financial incentive to disrupt the project. If it is in fact ELF I would expect them to attempt to claim responsibility.
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david_mcmanus
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Re: Ok... Who started the fire? Uhh...well they left a sign at the fire with ELF on it. Is that good enough? Photo courtesy of the Seattle Times: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/ ... 256663.jpg
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jillayne
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Re: Ok... Who started the fire? When I woke up this morning and heard about the fire, my reaction was the same as femtos.
After I dropped my kids off at school, I heard an update on the radio that it was last year's Street of Dreams, and that none of the homes had sold.
I would hope that the investigators wouldn't just blindly pin this on the ELF, even though they seem to be taking credit, and instead, take a look at how much the builder/developers were underwater financially.
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femto
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Re: Ok... Who started the fire? First off let me say that I don't at all condone ELF nor their tactics. I don't think a sign left at the scene has any particular credibility. Almost all terrorist organizations develop strategies for laying claim to acts after the fact. From the Wikipedia page on ELF http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Libe ... #Actions_2: Quote: One of the last ELF actions in a string of jointly claimed arsons,[44] that was well publicised was in November 2002, when activists sent a communique to Bite Back and also the ELF Press Office, claiming responsibility for the arson at Mindek Brothers Fur Farm. In a press release, the group stated:[45]
"Working together, cells from A.L.F. & E.L.F. demolished this feed facility due to it's role in the systematic torture and killing of thousands of innocent creatures yearly - animals which possess the same complex emotional/physiological traits as loved household pets, yet are denied all reasonable consideration and confined to a miserable "existence" in tiny wire cages hardly large enough to turn around in."
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Cougar
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Re: Ok... Who started the fire? Have cyber-terrorists attacked the eco-terrorists?
It appears so, based on a look at the Earth Liberation Front Web site, which should be getting a lot of traffic today after the group was implicated in the arson of a luxury Street of Dreams housing development near Seattle.
The apparently authentic Earth Liberation Front Web sites appear to be a mix of content about eco-terrorism and Viagra.
The meta title of the homepage is even "Viagra Sample Pack - Free Viagra Sample," which could reflect some misguided attempt to capture Web traffic from poor old men most likely uninterested in radical environmental terrorism. The "links" navigation at the top of the page links directly to a full page Viagra ad, and there are Viagra ads all over the site.
The domain appears to be for sale, but that doesn't explain who is maintaining the site now.
From The Daily Green.
So who and what was the motive behind torching these unsold homes?
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Ubersalad
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Re: Ok... Who started the fire? Everyone should do their homework first...
None of the houses were sold, and all of these builders are having trouble staying afloat.
Fishy? I would think so.
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| Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:38 am |
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Ubersalad
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Re: Ok... Who started the fire? If ELF indeed had something to do with this, I think they actually HELPED the builders.
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ira s
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Re: Ok... Who started the fire? ....And if the builders actually are responsible for the fires, would they leave a sheet spray painted with ' We did it". Signed, The Builders.?
No. They would pay some thugs to do it and have them leave a spray painted sheet.
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perfectfire
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Re: Ok... Who started the fire? SeattleP.I. wrote: Hoffman said fire officials told him a fourth house was spared because an arson device inside it didn't go off. That house, Seattle Home Design's La Belle Fleur, recently went pending with a buyer, and would have been the first of the five to sell, he said. Wow, what luck!
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SeattleMoose
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Re: Ok... Who started the fire? Highly suspicious to say the least.....the ELF "sign" is about as convincing as the terrorist passport "found" at ground zero of the WTC. I expect that this is just the start of what will be a "hot summer" of multiple "ELF events". 
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rose-colored-coolaid
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Re: Ok... Who started the fire? All these conspiracy theorists! Look at the facts. They have fewer homes to sell, the sold home was undamaged, and the remaining unsold homes have fresh publicity again half a year after they were last in the news. I just don't see a motive here.
Besides, it makes perfect sense that ELF would wait until the street of dreams was empty and completely forgotten about before acting.
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The Tim
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Re: Ok... Who started the fire? Update: http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonia ... xml&coll=7Quote: A team of federal arson investigators pored through the ruins of three luxury homes Tuesday in Woodinville, Wash., finding no evidence that the eco-saboteurs claiming responsibility for the crimes broke into the houses or used firebombs. Hmm...
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david_mcmanus
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Re: Ok... Who started the fire? If the builders really did this, I have to say, if the feds are involved, their life is now officially.....well, you know :p
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