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Gas prices in the UK are about double what they are here. They don't fluctuate as much because it's so much more heavily taxed, so they're more usually three times as much. The people there are no different, though. If gas (petrol, mate!) was $2 a gallon, everyone would have an SUV just like here...

Well, if people there are no different, then why did they vote for heavily taxed gas, five weeks of paid vacation for everyone, etc.? Americans vote very differently than people in socialist countries do. Namely, the majority here, unlike in those other countries, consistently vote to make their lives worse in the long run. Like they'll vote for tax cuts (for the rich mainly), ignoring the fact that it pushes the US toward insolvency.

There are probably millions of people in the US who take no more than one week of vacation a year, and would be fired from their job if they tried to take more. There lives would probably be better if they got five weeks of paid vacation, universal health care etc.

In Sydney, people complained to me about the exorbitant taxes, but I had to point out to them that they had few panhandlers and the city was relatively very clean and safe.


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Would it be heresy for me to say that I'm not sure I think the endemic winter doldrums / SADD theory has much credence? I have met many people over the years whom I suspect of using Seattle's winter weather as an excuse -- Oh gee I'd love to, but the weather's just got me *so* down. Well, wouldn't you perk up if you were eating a delicious hamburger, say, out at a restaurant with friends? I don't buy it. Seattle's not the only place where it's damp and dim and lousy for long periods of time during the winter. I grew up in one of them, and there wasn't the self-indulgent wallowing that tends to occur here.

RCC's too-far-to-drive theory -- yes, some of this. And maybe tied up with the annoyance of parking, in many neighborhoods -- a good friend lives in a condo on Capitol Hill, only an option via Metro. Which system, even though I commute-salute it, is not a good option for late nights and trips far afield from thoroughfares. I've mentioned here that I have an eye defect that makes it dicey for me to drive at night -- so my pal in Lynnwood I visit hardly ever. (There, I am part of the problem.)


Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:15 pm
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Would it be heresy for me to say that I'm not sure I think the endemic winter doldrums / SADD theory has much credence?

I tend to agree that it has little to do with the weather. Here's a theory: most people who complain about the Seattle Freeze live here, so it's the last place they've lived, and the older you get the less friendly people are, or are to you, because they already have enough friends. If the theory is true then there should be a freeze in every major city, except among young-enough people.


Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:25 pm
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Before I moved here, I met someone in Texas who moved here and moved back because everyone was so unfriendly (at least compared to Texas). I feel like most of the workers in the grocery and retail stores are in a bad mood. Although I don't interact with the customers too much. Maybe they are in a bad mood too. I blame the weather and the economic disparity in the area.


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rose-colored-coolaid wrote:
3) For some reason, Seattle doesn't have very enjoyable or very used public spaces. Maybe it's the weather, but when I go to other major cities, they have parks that are filled with people. Here, not so much.


Except for Green Lake and Alki on a warm sunny day...


Agreed, those are nice places when the weather is nice. And at those times, they do get plenty of use. Go to Alki on a sunny summer day and it is exceptionally packed for instance. I meant to emphasize that most public places are underused. And frankly, either location is great for a jog year round (if like me you don't mind exercising in mist), but less fun too meet up with friends there in March.

I think that's why we have so many coffee houses.


Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:31 am
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I find the best part of Seattle to not be Seattle at all. The city is sorely lacking in nice parks and other public amenities.

The key, in any weather, is to get out of the city. I tried living here without a car for over a year when I first arrived, and it worked fine. The problem was I had to rely on friends to get me into the mountains, onto the water, over to the peninsula. Some of the best times I've had, it's been raining in Seattle, but I've been above the clouds in the bright snow and sunshine.


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rose-colored-coolaid wrote:
Agreed, those are nice places when the weather is nice. And at those times, they do get plenty of use. Go to Alki on a sunny summer day and it is exceptionally packed for instance. I meant to emphasize that most public places are underused. And frankly, either location is great for a jog year round (if like me you don't mind exercising in mist), but less fun too meet up with friends there in March.

I think that's why we have so many coffee houses.


I greatly prefer Green Lake at night when it's basically empty. Much more park-like.

I always was curious how this place become coffee central. I guess the weather does encourage sitting inside.


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Markor wrote:
Notabull wrote:
Gas prices in the UK are about double what they are here. They don't fluctuate as much because it's so much more heavily taxed, so they're more usually three times as much. The people there are no different, though. If gas (petrol, mate!) was $2 a gallon, everyone would have an SUV just like here...

Well, if people there are no different, then why did they vote for heavily taxed gas, five weeks of paid vacation for everyone, etc.? Americans vote very differently than people in socialist countries do. Namely, the majority here, unlike in those other countries, consistently vote to make their lives worse in the long run. Like they'll vote for tax cuts (for the rich mainly), ignoring the fact that it pushes the US toward insolvency.


People in England don't vote for tax increases! Regardless of party, gas taxes have gone up year after year after year. There is feeling of stagnation and inevitability with regards to the process. Every year, the party in power has a "budget" and they TELL you how much your taxes are this year. You don't vote for each increase like over here....


Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:42 pm
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biliruben wrote:
I find the best part of Seattle to not be Seattle at all. The city is sorely lacking in nice parks and other public amenities.

The key, in any weather, is to get out of the city. I tried living here without a car for over a year when I first arrived, and it worked fine. The problem was I had to rely on friends to get me into the mountains, onto the water, over to the peninsula. Some of the best times I've had, it's been raining in Seattle, but I've been above the clouds in the bright snow and sunshine.


Absolutely right.

The most miserable place in the world on a winter day is in the heart of the city. Get out to the mountains and go snow shoeing - it's inexpensive and you will not have a problem staying warm. If it's raining in Seattle, it's usually snowing the mountains!

In summer, don't sit out on polluted Greenlake with a million other people, or sit out with some junkies in a park in Capital Hill (yes, I lived there for several years). Head out to exit 32 on I90 and go to Rattlesnake lake. If you feel like sweating hike up to the ledge and take in the views. If you're feeling more adventurous head up to Granite falls and hike up to one of the mountain lakes up there. Or head out to Mt Townsend on the Olympics and take in the best views of Mt Rainier, Mt Baker, Seattle downtown, and Canada from 6000 feet.

The beauty of Seattle is jobs and not the scenery. It's nice to see the mountains and lakes while you're stuck in traffic, but it's not where the good stuff is.


Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:21 pm
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There are hundreds if not thousands of miles of hiking trails in the Cascades. That's the best place to be in almost any weather IMO and I spent vastly more time in the mountains than the city. I know the Forest Service road network like the back of my hand, but I get lost in 2 blocks downtown. :D


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Notabull wrote:
People in England don't vote for tax increases!

It is a democracy, right? Then people vote for any tax increase, or any public policy, indirectly at least. People vote for representatives, who make the laws & policies.

England isn't the best example of a socialist country, since they voted for war to make the rich richer too. It's no wonder their standard of living is dropping. (And if they keep up the bad voting, they'll lose their democracy eventually just like we are here.) Sweden would be a better example.


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Lake Hills Renter wrote:
There are hundreds if not thousands of miles of hiking trails in the Cascades. That's the best place to be in almost any weather IMO and I spent vastly more time in the mountains than the city.

It's a plus for the Eastside too. I'm looking forward to Paradise this August. You know what I mean.


Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:37 pm
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Markor wrote:
Notabull wrote:
People in England don't vote for tax increases!

It is a democracy, right? Then people vote for any tax increase, or any public policy, indirectly at least. People vote for representatives, who make the laws & policies.

England isn't the best example of a socialist country, since they voted for war to make the rich richer too. It's no wonder their standard of living is dropping. (And if they keep up the bad voting, they'll lose their democracy eventually just like we are here.) Sweden would be a better example.


I don't mean to be rude, but you obviously haven't lived in England. I wouldn't expect you to have... I lived there for many years before getting out and coming to the "land of the free". :)

I think it's hard for people in the states to imagine what it's like in other countries where the people are not so active when it comes to taxation. In WA, there is a public outcry if someone suggests a few cents on gasoline to pay for schools. They'll be initiatives, voting, lawsuits, etc. In England, that happens every year without an explicit vote, and everyone just shrugs their shoulders.

People in England assume that any party they vote in will put in tax increases, so therefore it doesn't matter which party you vote for - they will raise your taxes! This helps to reinforce the sense of inevitability that I mentioned. If the conservative party puts forward a platform of tax reductions, it's very hard to sell. This is because the national health service (which is terrible BTW) is one of the largest expenditures, so it's very easy to frame the tax reduction as a service reduction where it hurts the most: your health.

Also, people in England didn't vote for the war either. They were against it from the beginning and are more against it now.


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Markor wrote:
Lake Hills Renter wrote:
There are hundreds if not thousands of miles of hiking trails in the Cascades. That's the best place to be in almost any weather IMO and I spent vastly more time in the mountains than the city.

It's a plus for the Eastside too. I'm looking forward to Paradise this August. You know what I mean.


I'll be heading out there too!

Tiger mountain is an amazing thing to have so close to Issaquah. Get on I90, get off at exit 20 and you're there. Miles of hiking, views, and even some semi-solitude on the lesser used trails. If you head up to Tiger Mountain #2 peak, you might only see half a dozen other people on the way up....

I live in Sammamish, and it's annoying when people that live in Seattle give me the "wow, you live really far out there" comment. "Far out" from what? Far out from the stuff *you* like to do, perhaps. For me, the job situation is closer to me than if I lived in Seattle (which I have done) and the stuff *I* like to do on the weekends and summer evenings is all MUCH closer to the Eastside than Seattle.

I have nothing against anyone that lives anywhere. If we were all the same it would be rather dull. However, I *am* going to start telling people that live in Ballard that they live really "far out" and then clarify that I'm referring to their proximity to the Alpine Lakes Wilderness which I *assume* they must visit regularly, like me. </rant>


Tue Jun 24, 2008 6:46 am
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Notabull wrote:
I have nothing against anyone that lives anywhere. If we were all the same it would be rather dull. However, I *am* going to start telling people that live in Ballard that they live really "far out" and then clarify that I'm referring to their proximity to the Alpine Lakes Wilderness which I *assume* they must visit regularly, like me. </rant>


The only thing that Ballard is close to is Ballard. It takes a LONG time to get anywhere from Ballard. It's an OK area, but nobody has ever been able to explain what's special about it other than in terms of "coolness" or "hipness". In terms of time to get downtown or to the eastside, Northgate is considerably closer and easier - not to mention closer to big-box/mall shopping and other amenities. But Northgate isn't "cool" or "hip".

I'm also looking forward to a run up to Paradise, or maybe Sunrise... and maybe actually hiking a bit this time. I just hope Cayuse is open this summer. (And I hope we're talking about the same Paradise)


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