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Presidential Election Political Smackdown FFA
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rose-colored-coolaid
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 Re: Presidential Election Political Smackdown FFA Charles Dean wrote: While I'm not necessarily in favor of legalizing it, could you imagine the tax revenue that could be created by the legalization of pot as well as the tax savings that we'd have by no longer prosecuting, arresting or imprisoning criminals as well as the decline in crime? Tax savings would be significant, tax revenue might be negligible. I mean, you'd have recreational users holding down jobs and paying the taxes, but the real stoners would find some other creative way to get around paying taxes they couldn't afford. Lake Hills Renter wrote: Not to get off on a tangent here but I haven't seen any compelling evidence for marijuana to be illegal -- at least no more so than tobacco, alcohol, caffeiine, etc I would place caffeine and tobacco in one category (stimulants that don't generally impair one's ability to control motor vehicles) and alcohol or marijuana in another. If we lived in a automobile-less society (or one where cars were all steered by computers), then I'm all for legalized pot and alcohol. As is, I'd prefer neither be legal since it jeopardizes my own safety. That said, marijuana is probably safer than alcohol, so society seems to have its priorities backwards.
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Re: Presidential Election Political Smackdown FFA Lake Hills Renter wrote: Not to get off on a tangent here... You're joking, right?
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Lake Hills Renter
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Re: Presidential Election Political Smackdown FFA The Tim wrote: Lake Hills Renter wrote: Not to get off on a tangent here... You're joking, right? Heh. I actually had "(too late?)" in my original post but deleted it. 
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Lake Hills Renter
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Re: Presidential Election Political Smackdown FFA rose-colored-coolaid wrote: If we lived in a automobile-less society (or one where cars were all steered by computers), then I'm all for legalized pot and alcohol. As is, I'd prefer neither be legal since it jeopardizes my own safety. I am all for severe penalties and crackdowns on impaired driving for any reason (including being an idiot while taking on a cellphone). But that shouldn't prevent someone from consuming their vice of choice in their own home and never going anywhere near a vehicle or infringing on anyone else's rights. There are numerous ways to be impaired, and I don't think the right tack is to try to make them all illegal (should Nyquil be illegal?). Make the harmful act itself illegal, no matter how the impairment occurred. If someone can impair themselves and not harm or infringe upon someone else, let them be. There's no reason for that to be illegal IMO.
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Lake Hills Renter
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Re: Presidential Election Political Smackdown FFA On a side note, I apologize that I am not a sufficiet replacement for Robroy. I actually enjoy discussing issues as opposed to just arguing, because I might actually learn something or be presented a counterpoint I had not considered -- i.e. I am open to the idea I might be wrong and enjoy the opportunity.
If it will help, I can try to randomly call people Nazis, develop a persecution complex and/or make wildly optimistic predictions ( but I'd have to disappear after they fail to materialize).
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rose-colored-coolaid
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Re: Presidential Election Political Smackdown FFA Lake Hills Renter wrote: If it will help, I can try to randomly call people Nazis, develop a persecution complex and/or make wildly optimistic predictions ( but I'd have to disappear after they fail to materialize). There's an appropriate place for posts like this, and it's on the Robroy Nazi Countdown thread. That said, even what you have offered to provide would not be a sufficient replacement. Here's what else you must provide - 1. You would also need to be patronizing about the superiority of your position with an emphasis on how long you held to said position unchanged regardless of evidence to the contrary. 2. It helps if you can find a multitude of essentially off-topic YouTube videos and post them as if they stand alone with comments like "what about that" or "see". 3. Finally, if you want to truly replace the venerable Robroy you must promise to never respond directly to anything anyone else posts unless it provides an excuse to bring up Rather-gate.
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Lake Hills Renter
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Re: Presidential Election Political Smackdown FFA See? I've know for decades that socialist couldn't take a hit!. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrlYRWD_tnA(Tried to get all three in one...)
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WestSideBilly
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Re: Presidential Election Political Smackdown FFA Lake Hills Renter wrote: Not to get off on a tangent here but I haven't seen any compelling evidence for marijuana to be illegal -- at least no more so than tobacco, alcohol, caffeiine, etc -- and the libertarian in me says things should be legal until justified otherwise, not the other way around. So based on that, my position is it should be legal. But it's not an issue I care very strongly about. Things like warrantless wiretapping, national security letters, and free speech zones are much higher on my libertarian concern list. Alcohol is far more dangerous - to the consumer, to those close to him/her, and to society - but is an integral part of our culture. From: http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/endorsers.html$7-8B/year to arrest, prosecute, house marijuana "criminals", plus societal costs which weren't included (inability of convicted felons to find work after serving time, etc). $2.4B lost sales tax revenue, potential for many billions more in sin tax revenue. Washington could probably balance their budget with a statewide legalization, and $20-50/oz sin tax. Throw in revenues from licensing growers, distributors, etc... lots of money there. And even with a $50/oz sin tax, it'd probably be cheaper for the end user. Those who profit from keeping marijuana illegal have strong lobbying forces... pro marijuana legalization groups tend to be... lazy stoners. 
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WestSideBilly
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Re: Presidential Election Political Smackdown FFA rose-colored-coolaid wrote: Lake Hills Renter wrote: If it will help, I can try to randomly call people Nazis, develop a persecution complex and/or make wildly optimistic predictions ( but I'd have to disappear after they fail to materialize). There's an appropriate place for posts like this, and it's on the Robroy Nazi Countdown thread. That said, even what you have offered to provide would not be a sufficient replacement. Here's what else you must provide - 1. You would also need to be patronizing about the superiority of your position with an emphasis on how long you held to said position unchanged regardless of evidence to the contrary. 2. It helps if you can find a multitude of essentially off-topic YouTube videos and post them as if they stand alone with comments like "what about that" or "see". 3. Finally, if you want to truly replace the venerable Robroy you must promise to never respond directly to anything anyone else posts unless it provides an excuse to bring up Rather-gate. 4. Repeatedly point out that everyone in your circle agrees with you, even (especially?) when it is counter to all rational thought.
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rose-colored-coolaid
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Re: Presidential Election Political Smackdown FFA WestSideBilly wrote: rose-colored-coolaid wrote: Lake Hills Renter wrote: If it will help, I can try to randomly call people Nazis, develop a persecution complex and/or make wildly optimistic predictions ( but I'd have to disappear after they fail to materialize). There's an appropriate place for posts like this, and it's on the Robroy Nazi Countdown thread. That said, even what you have offered to provide would not be a sufficient replacement. Here's what else you must provide - 1. You would also need to be patronizing about the superiority of your position with an emphasis on how long you held to said position unchanged regardless of evidence to the contrary. 2. It helps if you can find a multitude of essentially off-topic YouTube videos and post them as if they stand alone with comments like "what about that" or "see". 3. Finally, if you want to truly replace the venerable Robroy you must promise to never respond directly to anything anyone else posts unless it provides an excuse to bring up Rather-gate. 4. Repeatedly point out that everyone in your circle agrees with you, even (especially?) when it is counter to all rational thoughtRepeated argue your point from consensus based on the fact that everyone you know agrees with you, and that your friends cross a wide swath of the political spectrum. Then prove it by referencing only articles produced by whack-jobs.. Revised it. I hope you don't mind.
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WestSideBilly
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Re: Presidential Election Political Smackdown FFA Accurate revision.
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rose-colored-coolaid
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Re: Presidential Election Political Smackdown FFA Oddly, I just found a bigger/badder version of Robroy. Maybe he's gone missing because he's so busy working on a lawsuit. Quote: They quickly came up with an explanation: The certificate was forged. Anonymous digital image experts with handles like Techdude and Polarik sprung from the woodwork to prove (shades of Rathergate!) that pixels, spacing, and indentation on the form indicated that the Obama campaign had created the certificate with Adobe Photoshop. The state of Hawaii's official statement that the certificate was legitimate didn't make a dent—after all, who is Registrar of Vital Statistics Alvin Onaka to argue with Techdude?
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Charles Dean
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Re: Presidential Election Political Smackdown FFA rose-colored-coolaid wrote: Oddly, I just found a bigger/badder version of Robroy. Maybe he's gone missing because he's so busy working on a lawsuit. Quote: They quickly came up with an explanation: The certificate was forged. Anonymous digital image experts with handles like Techdude and Polarik sprung from the woodwork to prove (shades of Rathergate!) that pixels, spacing, and indentation on the form indicated that the Obama campaign had created the certificate with Adobe Photoshop. The state of Hawaii's official statement that the certificate was legitimate didn't make a dent—after all, who is Registrar of Vital Statistics Alvin Onaka to argue with Techdude? My outrage is only surpassed by my laughter at how insane some people are.
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Charles Dean
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Re: Presidential Election Political Smackdown FFA So i miss this thread, and saw this article the other day about Obama eating spam, which I think is probably not part of Obama's typical Muslim diet: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/2 ... 53200.htmlWWRRSAT? (What Would Rob Roy Say About This?)
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Re: Presidential Election Political Smackdown FFA Has anyone claimed Obama is a practicing Muslim?
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