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I hate to follow that long diatribe with such a curt answer, but here goes:

I completely agree and well said.

Regarding my reference to Revelation, it makes your point - to a point.

And let me explain why:

I have been a Professing Christian Fundamentalist (PCF) since I was 30 – I am now 54. I do not "speak in tongues", don't handle snakes, etc., but I believe the Bible is the un-erring word of God. I have found often that when I thought it contradicted itself it turned out it was only weak interpretations that were contradicting themselves, not the bible itself.

I have been a student of Bible prophesy for over 20 years and about 15 years ago I was looking at Revelation 17 and 18 and suddenly said, "holy cow, this could be discussing the US". Yet when I brought this idea up to leaders in my church they tried to say it was nonsense. The reason was at least partly because they considered the US such a good influence on the world that she could NEVER be the whore discussed there. They were literally mixing up their Christianity with their patriotism. For them, part of being a Christian was being an American!

They were ignoring evidence against their position and focusing on their own "circle jerk" feedback group to reinforce their opinion and simply ignore the facts that may contradict it. And now it is not such an unusual position within Christian circles: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=re ... +states%22

I saw this on Freerepublic and KVI talk radio on a different subject. Whenever someone like me or some other conservative pundit would point out that the economy was tanking, we were accused of being Bush Haters. At the time I really liked Bush but I could not ignore what I was seeing going on with the economy. I am a very black and white thinker and can separate the two.

BTW, regarding my reference to Revelation, I do not think we are there yet – just barely. I think that if Obama were to have won, we would be on the fast track. I have read quite a bit about the man and I think there is a very strong possibility that he has strong Muslim ties to the point that he may be a closet Muslin.

And I consider Islam to be a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in the mid-1930's. I say this as a student of history, the bible and, to a strong but lesser degree, the Koran.

FWIW, I still expect a McCain landslide.

What irony. I just noticed that your just produced the six hundred and sixty sixth post in this thread Robroy. I make no value judgment based on that coincidence, but merely point it out as a fascinating fact.

That's pretty hilarious, considering the subject matter of post # 665.

IT's been a long time since I'd read Revelation and frankly I've spent very little time studying it at all. So I went and read Rev 18 and I guess I don't understand why Obama being elected would make us the new Babylon anymore than McCain being elected. Could you elaborate on why you think an Obama presidency would make this more likely?

Alan, that is certainly an...internally consistent explanation for the problem of Christ returning "this very generation", which is a major eschatological problem for those who believe Revelations is prophetic as opposed to a metaphor used to encourage other believers during trying times. How can one interpret the simple red-letter statements in Matthew 24:34, Luke 21:32 as figurative (This generation will not pass away until...) and then explain the crazy stuff in Revelations as literal or prophetic? Using the power of cognitive dissonance (as discussed above), you can always decide that both passages must be literal (it helps your self-worth to believe they are), and then explain away all your senses as living in a fake 50 AD world that just looks like the 21st century because Satan made it so.

Back to the subject at hand, has anyone seen this yet? . Now, many will dismiss, regardless of its veracity (I haven't confirmed it), due to the fact that these alleged ties are to Cuban terrorists (in this case we'd call them freedom fighters) and not the kind of terrorists who murder citizens of nations we like. I kind of like the idea of being above reproach in our international dealings (as we've discussed before); however, so I do find this a little disappointing.

Looks like Palin needs some geography lessons:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1hN6DFQyDs&eurl=

From what I've read ACORN is in a pretty tough spot.
I don't think they can legally throw away registrations even if they think they are fake. They aren't allowed to make those decisions, so they try to flag them and send them on to the registrar. Obviously, if you are paying people for signatures, you're going to get people working the system. But are we really supposed to be worried about Mickey Mouse showing up at the polls?