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lamont
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 Global Warming Hitler Fervor rose-colored-coolaid wrote: Besides, I don't think anyone here is arguing against drilling. I am. We need to leave the carbon in the ground. It'd be fine if sequestration would work, but the costs are inherently high due to the need to compress the CO2 gas to around 100 atm, and there's some doubt that there is enough suitable reservoir capacity to pump it into if it was scaled up. Meanwhile, the IPCC climate change models are being consistently shown to be too conservative (apart from on right wing blogs, where robroy has found evidence that CO2 is vital to preventing the next ice age): http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2008/2 ... 5333.shtmlThe water-vapor positive feedback to radiative forcing has now been found to be larger than previously estimated. The geological sequestration of CO2 is what cooled our climate off from the hothouse Earth in the Eocene era, and we are rapidly digging up that carbon and reversing the clock.
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| Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:13 pm |
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Robroy
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Re: N. Roubini touched on a topic I've been wary to bring up Charles Dean wrote: The economy was one of the main reasons that Hitler was able to raise such nationalistic fervor. He essentially blamed their economic crisis on the greedy jews. Yes, it is a common story. Just replace the word "Jews" with a blank, and then fill it in with the name of the group of your choice - "the rich", "banks", "wall street investors", etc. A very common story.
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Robroy
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Re: N. Roubini touched on a topic I've been wary to bring up lamont wrote: rose-colored-coolaid wrote: Besides, I don't think anyone here is arguing against drilling. I am. We need to leave the carbon in the ground. It'd be fine if sequestration would work, but the costs are inherently high due to the need to compress the CO2 gas to around 100 atm, and there's some doubt that there is enough suitable reservoir capacity to pump it into if it was scaled up. Meanwhile, the IPCC climate change models are being consistently shown to be too conservative (apart from on right wing blogs, where robroy has found evidence that CO2 is vital to preventing the next ice age): http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2008/2 ... 5333.shtmlThe water-vapor positive feedback to radiative forcing has now been found to be larger than previously estimated. The geological sequestration of CO2 is what cooled our climate off from the hothouse Earth in the Eocene era, and we are rapidly digging up that carbon and reversing the clock. There is ZERO evidence that CO2 causes global warming. Zero. I crack up every time I hear about it. It's funny, as long as nobody uses this manufactured concept to start controlling my life or using my tax dollars. Then it is NOT funny. When I hear about people wanting to stop global warming by reducing CO2 emissions I think of them as people who want to stop the buildup of rainclouds by reducing the amount of rain. BTW, rainclouds ARE reduced by rain itself. If you get my drift... 
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Robroy
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Re: N. Roubini touched on a topic I've been wary to bring up mukoh wrote: Great vid and info. I posted this just today on Freerepublic on this thread regarding the NK/SK issue http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2117389/postsThe world is a dangerous place, always on the edge of destabalization but kept in check by fear of superpowers. I’ve been saying five things for the last year or two: 1. This thing could get as bad as, or worse than, the great depression (GD). 2. The GD ended with WWII. 3. The US is a form of worldwide empire with “colonies” like South Korea, Taiwan, India, Etc. 4. As the world economy collapses, countries like NK will be both desperate and emboldened to take military action against one of our colonies in near proximity. The result could actually ultimately end up with a hot war fought on US soil. I”m talking about the 50 states. 5. Somewhat related to the four but more domestic in scope, expect a serius uptick in domestic violence, divorce, murder and various other crimes. There will be rioting by next Tuesday or Wednesday. The only thing left for debate is how bad it will be. As our country (and the rest of the western world) is perceived to be more and more impotent, expect interesting twists on the five above. We are living in interesting times.
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rose-colored-coolaid
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Re: N. Roubini touched on a topic I've been wary to bring up Robroy wrote: There is ZERO evidence that I cannot ignore that CO2 causes global warming. Zero.
Fixed that for you. Robroy wrote: When I hear about people wanting to stop global warming by reducing CO2 emissions I think of them as people who want to stop the buildup of rainclouds by reducing the amount of rain. BTW, rainclouds ARE reduced by rain itself. If you get my drift... If you believe this is an accurate analogy, you have proven that you do not understand the issue.
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deejayoh
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Re: N. Roubini touched on a topic I've been wary to bring up Robroy wrote: Charles Dean wrote: The economy was one of the main reasons that Hitler was able to raise such nationalistic fervor. He essentially blamed their economic crisis on the greedy jews. Yes, it is a common story. Just replace the word "Jews" with a blank, and then fill it in with the name of the group of your choice - "the rich", "banks", "wall street investors", etc. A very common story. Lets see what we've been hearing from Sarah Palin and the right-wingers lately. There are "real americans" and "anti americans". The American media' should ``take a great look at the views of people in Congress and find out, are they pro-America or anti-America?'' There are "real" parts of Virginia and parts full of liberals. Obama is a socialist and quite possibly a terrorist I think I see where you are coming from
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Robroy
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Re: N. Roubini touched on a topic I've been wary to bring up deejayoh wrote: Robroy wrote: Charles Dean wrote: The economy was one of the main reasons that Hitler was able to raise such nationalistic fervor. He essentially blamed their economic crisis on the greedy jews. Yes, it is a common story. Just replace the word "Jews" with a blank, and then fill it in with the name of the group of your choice - "the rich", "banks", "wall street investors", etc. A very common story. Lets see what we've been hearing from Sarah Palin and the right-wingers lately. There are "real americans" and "anti americans". The American media' should ``take a great look at the views of people in Congress and find out, are they pro-America or anti-America?'' There are "real" parts of Virginia and parts full of liberals. Obama is a socialist and quite possibly a terrorist You're stretchin' the scope outside of the meaning of the posts. I am not talking about "real vs anti-americans" and other campaign rhetoric. I am talking SPECIFICALLY about blaming an economic crisis on a group, as I said in my post. http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&um=1& ... y+mortgage
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Robroy
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Re: N. Roubini touched on a topic I've been wary to bring up rose-colored-coolaid wrote: Robroy wrote: There is ZERO evidence that I cannot ignore that CO2 causes global warming. Zero.
Fixed that for you. Robroy wrote: When I hear about people wanting to stop global warming by reducing CO2 emissions I think of them as people who want to stop the buildup of rainclouds by reducing the amount of rain. BTW, rainclouds ARE reduced by rain itself. If you get my drift... If you believe this is an accurate analogy, you have proven that you do not understand the issue. I disagree, but like you I am only making an assertion with nothing to back it up. So let me fix that. The analogy applies. Just as rain follows rainclouds, CO2 follows Global Warming. http://www.affordablehousinginstitute.o ... small1.jpgThe whole thing is just a power struggle anyway though. People just like to control other people and keep their job going: http://nov55.com/gbwm.htmlBesides, it's getting colder now. http://www.isthereglobalcooling.com/I've got over a hundred links that I have saved and read (many more that I didn't save) and all I have to do is look at the meat of the articles to realize the body of evidence is on the side of what are called "global warming deniers". It's not even close. The alarmists were just hoping to do a quick kill of all public debate in the court of public opinion before the "deniers" got the word out that it was a bunch of malarky. They weren't fast enough, thank God.
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deejayoh
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Re: N. Roubini touched on a topic I've been wary to bring up Robroy wrote: deejayoh wrote: Lets see what we've been hearing from Sarah Palin and the right-wingers lately. There are "real americans" and "anti americans". The American media' should ``take a great look at the views of people in Congress and find out, are they pro-America or anti-America?'' There are "real" parts of Virginia and parts full of liberals. Obama is a socialist and quite possibly a terrorist
You're stretchin' the scope outside of the meaning of the posts. I am not talking about "real vs anti-americans" and other campaign rhetoric. I am talking SPECIFICALLY about blaming an economic crisis on a group, as I said in my post. http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&um=1& ... y+mortgageSo, then - this doesn't qualify as "nationalistic fervor"? The chants of "USA, USA" and signs proclaiming "America First"?
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Robroy
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Re: N. Roubini touched on a topic I've been wary to bring up deejayoh wrote: Robroy wrote: deejayoh wrote: Lets see what we've been hearing from Sarah Palin and the right-wingers lately. There are "real americans" and "anti americans". The American media' should ``take a great look at the views of people in Congress and find out, are they pro-America or anti-America?'' There are "real" parts of Virginia and parts full of liberals. Obama is a socialist and quite possibly a terrorist
You're stretchin' the scope outside of the meaning of the posts. I am not talking about "real vs anti-americans" and other campaign rhetoric. I am talking SPECIFICALLY about blaming an economic crisis on a group, as I said in my post. http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&um=1& ... y+mortgageSo, then - this doesn't qualify as "nationalistic fervor"? The chants of "USA, USA" and signs proclaiming "America First"? That is normal typical election stuff and it should be the mantra of any sitting president: America first. It is their job. Americans love and die for their country, not their elected servants/leaders. And again, we are talking about blaming specific groups for an economic crisis, not nationalism. Without nationalism, a country cannot survive. But like all good things, it can be overdone. I have seen none of that in this election cycle. "Nationalistic Fervor" goes far beyond simple chanting at an election ralley.
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rose-colored-coolaid
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Re: N. Roubini touched on a topic I've been wary to bring up deejayoh wrote: So, then - this doesn't qualify as "nationalistic fervor"? The chants of "USA, USA" and signs proclaiming "America First"? Don't forget calls of kill him and the like. It feels like we're in bizarro land that the most angry, most vehement, most irrational people are the ones blaming everyone else of being Nazis.
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deejayoh
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Re: N. Roubini touched on a topic I've been wary to bring up rose-colored-coolaid wrote: deejayoh wrote: So, then - this doesn't qualify as "nationalistic fervor"? The chants of "USA, USA" and signs proclaiming "America First"? Don't forget calls of kill him and the like. It feels like we're in bizarro land that the most angry, most vehement, most irrational people are the ones blaming everyone else of being Nazis. 'zactly
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Robroy
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Re: N. Roubini touched on a topic I've been wary to bring up rose-colored-coolaid wrote:
Don't forget calls of kill him and the like.
'Cept it never happened.
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Civil Servant
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Re: N. Roubini touched on a topic I've been wary to bring up Could someone please move this thread out of "On-Topic Forums >> The Economy"? I think we have experienced some conversational mission creep.
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Robroy
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Re: N. Roubini touched on a topic I've been wary to bring up Civil Servant wrote: Could someone please move this thread out of "On-Topic Forums >> The Economy"? I think we have experienced some conversational mission creep. You beat me to it!
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