Presidential Election Political Smackdown FFA
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SunTzu
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 Presidential Election Political Smackdown FFA Actually, if Obama loses it would not be a bad thing. I'd rather not see a repeat of Carter-Reagan election where Carter just happened to be the righteous politician becoming president at the wrong economic time. I just don't think the economic trouble we're seeing will be a short one and just might get more severe; Obama just might get blamed for it even though this 'day-of-reckoning" economic scenario has been made since 1982, and you just know the rednecks, the neo-cons, and the ultra-conservatives will blame a Black man for dragging the country down (much like the Germans blamed the Jews for losing WWI)
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rose-colored-coolaid
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Re: June Case Shiller numbers Robroy wrote: Then - if I may don my tin foil hat for a moment - when if Obama loses in November and many some who just "know" it is because of election fraud racism begin rioting become disillusioned nationwide all bets will be off.
Don't you think it's a little premature to predict critical reaction to an election which is in a virtual tie right now? I fixed your post to reflect reality.
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Robroy
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Re: June Case Shiller numbers SunTzu wrote: Actually, if Obama loses it would not be a bad thing. I'd rather not see a repeat of Carter-Reagan election where Carter just happened to be the righteous politician becoming president at the wrong economic time. I just don't think the economic trouble we're seeing will be a short one and just might get more severe; Obama just might get blamed for it even though this 'day-of-reckoning" economic scenario has been made since 1982, and you just know the rednecks, the neo-cons, and the ultra-conservatives will blame a Black man for dragging the country down (much like the Germans blamed the Jews for losing WWI) If I were a democrat I would not obama to win. If I were a republican I would not want McCain to win. Whichever side is "in control" during this meltdown will be blamed. It is already happening with Bush. It is human nature and typical throughout the history of man. You blame the current leader when things are going bad, regardless of his blame. You can always find it if you look, since all leaders make mistakes. And the lens of hindsight is powerful indeed. The rioting in November is a more "specific" thing though, like when your basketball team wins or loses the playoffs. 
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Robroy
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Re: June Case Shiller numbers rose-colored-coolaid wrote: Robroy wrote: Then - if I may don my tin foil hat for a moment - when if Obama loses in November and many some who just "know" it is because of election fraud racism begin rioting become disillusioned nationwide all bets will be off.
Don't you think it's a little premature to predict critical reaction to an election which is in a virtual tie right now? I fixed your post to reflect reality. Not in this case. I do not like either of the candidates but it is pretty clear that the only way Obama will pull this off is if McCain DIES before the election. And being on his death bed is not the same as being "dead". McCain's gonna have to actually assume room temperature to lose this one. You can save this post and refer back in November if you wish to say "I told you so". I predict a Reaganesque rout on this one. The reasons are legion and irrefutable.
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Robroy
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Re: June Case Shiller numbers rose-colored-coolaid wrote:
Don't you think it's a little premature to predict critical reaction to an election which is in a virtual tie right now? I fixed your post to reflect reality.
Think of it this way, if you understand the tour de france and Lance armstrongs strengths and weaknesses. What would you have thought his chances of winning the tour if, before any of the mountain stages, he was virtually tied with the leader? Same thing here. I see obama as one of the "sprinters" and we are done with "the sprinter legs of the race". He's gonna get creamed and the method is obvious. He will be swiftboated from a thousand different directions. Swiftboating: exposing the truth about an area where nobody paid attention to the validity of a candidates claims in the past. We are about to discover who Obama really is. No scratch that. Those who were heretofor not really paying attention are about to discover who Obama really is. McCain has been pretty much vetted over the last thousand years of his political career. 
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WestSideBilly
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Re: June Case Shiller numbers Robroy wrote: Swiftboating: exposing the truth about an area where nobody paid attention to the validity of a candidates claims in the past. We are about to discover who Obama really is. No scratch that. Those who were heretofor not really paying attention are about to discover who Obama really is. McCain has been pretty much vetted over the last thousand years of his political career. Swiftboating: Creating unprovable variants of the truth backed by seemingly trustworthy sources, then repeating those stories until most people believe they are the truth. See also: "Iraq has ties to Al-Queda", "Iraq is responsible for 9/11", or "Iraq has WMD" "Barack Hussein Obama is Muslim", "is a Communist", "is anti-American" McCain has spent much of his Senatorial career carving out an odd niche, but he's discarded much of that niche in favor of Karl Rove style politicking. It's hard to say whether he would Preside as he's behaved in the Senate or on the campaign trail. If it was the former, I certainly see some merit in his election; if it's the latter we could do no worse.
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Robroy
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Re: June Case Shiller numbers WestSideBilly wrote: Robroy wrote: Swiftboating: exposing the truth about an area where nobody paid attention to the validity of a candidates claims in the past. We are about to discover who Obama really is. No scratch that. Those who were heretofor not really paying attention are about to discover who Obama really is. McCain has been pretty much vetted over the last thousand years of his political career. Swiftboating: Creating unprovable variants of the truth backed by seemingly trustworthy sources, then repeating those stories until most people believe they are the truth. See also: "Iraq has ties to Al-Queda", "Iraq is responsible for 9/11", or "Iraq has WMD" "Barack Hussein Obama is Muslim", "is a Communist", "is anti-American" McCain has spent much of his Senatorial career carving out an odd niche, but he's discarded much of that niche in favor of Karl Rove style politicking. It's hard to say whether he would Preside as he's behaved in the Senate or on the campaign trail. If it was the former, I certainly see some merit in his election; if it's the latter we could do no worse. Swiftboating has various meanings to different people. I was using my definition to explain what I meant by "swiftboating from a thousand directions". And remember, it was Kerry who had to change HIS story when the Swiftboaters called him on it. They did not retract a word. Not one. Nor did they need to.
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rose-colored-coolaid
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Re: June Case Shiller numbers Two responses frm Robroy to one post? Robroy wrote: Not in this case. I do not like either of the candidates but it is pretty clear that the only way Obama will pull this off is if McCain DIES before the election. And being on his death bed is not the same as being "dead". McCain's gonna have to actually assume room temperature to lose this one.
You can save this post and refer back in November if you wish to say "I told you so".
I predict a Reaganesque rout on this one. The reasons are legion and irrefutable. There will be no "I told you so" unless it's me saying it to you. My remarks this election is too close to call right now were noncommittal. Your response a McCain route was a definitive prediction. So, how are you going to rub that in my face? You won't have a time-machine to go back and prove that close polls now meant the race was a foregone conclusion. By the way, this is a perfect example of what's wrong with a lot of your posts. You have a tendency to exhibit outlandish amounts of confirmation bias. These posts feel almost like sports fans predicting championships before the first game of the season.
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WestSideBilly
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Re: June Case Shiller numbers Robroy wrote: Swiftboating has various meanings to different people. I was using my definition to explain what I meant by "swiftboating from a thousand directions".
And remember, it was Kerry who had to change HIS story when the Swiftboaters called him on it. They did not retract a word. Not one.
Nor did they need to. The thing about the Swift Boat campaign is that it didn't matter if they were telling the truth or not. They had $15-20 million, nearly 1/4 as much as Kerry spent on his entire campaign, to spread their side of the story. It was said enough times that eventually people just took it as truth - no different than the Iraq pre-war campaign in 2003. A lot of people I know still think Obama is either a Communist or a Muslim (or both, which is a rather odd combination) based on people repeating those lies often enough that it stuck. Unfortunately, both Obama and McCain will certainly get hammered by the 527s, Obama more so (or perhaps more effectively). It's a bit ironic that McCain seems so willing to engage in this after getting "swift boated" in South Carolina in the 2000 primary.
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Markor
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Re: June Case Shiller numbers We're not to mention politics here.
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Robroy
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Re: June Case Shiller numbers Markor wrote: We're not to mention politics here. \ Oops. We hijacked this thread and I was totally oblivious. Sorry! 
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WestSideBilly
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Re: June Case Shiller numbers Quite possibly the furthest off topic thread in the history of SB.
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The Tim
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Re: June Case Shiller numbers Hah, after reading page 1 I was just about to come on here and comment about how much skill it takes to somehow change a conversation about the Case-Shiller data into one about Swiftboating.
Also, I don't care if people talk politics. Go crazy, whatever.
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Robroy
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Re: June Case Shiller numbers The Tim wrote: Hah, after reading page 1 I was just about to come on here and comment about how much skill it takes to somehow change a conversation about the Case-Shiller data into one about Swiftboating.
Also, I don't care if people talk politics. Go crazy, whatever. Wait'll the Nazi's come back. Then we can get political! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KEueJnsu80
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lamont
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Re: June Case Shiller numbers First of all, we're so far into this downturn that nobody is going to blame it on the next president. Clinton didn't get blamed for the recession that he inherited from GHWB's term (although he got the credit for pulling out of a recession that arguably we were through with by the time he took office). Similar dynamics will probably be at play here.
Second, I think Obama-McCain is going to look a lot more like Clinton-Dole in terms of the outcome. The MSM likes to find polls where they're neck and neck because they like a horserace. I expect this one is going to be a blowout, however. A lot of republicans don't really like McCain and he's not a very appealing candidate to anyone.
Third, the whole counter-reaction to Obama and/or rioting is probably overdone. Yeah, if its close and Obama loses to a supreme court decision, you'll probably see some pissed off folks who have more melanin than others. The country will still go on. And wrt neo-nazism, when you look at Clinton there was a whole strengthening of the UN-black-helicopter crowd which ultimately seemed to lead to the Oklahoma bombing. If Obama gets 2 terms there might be a similar kind of domestic terrorism incident, but the backlash from that should self-limit any neo-nazi / militia strengthening. We're not going to wind up looking like pre-WWII Germany.
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