Presidential Election Political Smackdown FFA

[Big Mike 34]

ROSE:

As to the guy that she fired...She really didn't fire him she offered him another position and he refused it and choose to retire....His actions were well documented with a paper trail and witnesses. But that isn't even the point ....the point is that she had every right to ask for his resignation as he servered at her pleasure ....It was her right as Gov. to put someone else in that position.

It was wrong of me to lead you astray on that one....I wanted to see how much of the Liberal KoolAid you had....Lots it seems

[Charles Dean]

Oh lookie! Another lie from Palin!!!!

http://www.abcnews.go.com/print?id=5844710

[Charles Dean]

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[Charles Dean]

Nice article Rose. I think he is a little heavy handed, but there are some good quotables in there.

One of the things that has been a huge concern for me is her religious beliefs. I grew up in a Methodist church, but was baptized in a very charismatic church as a 10 year old. I actually pretended to speak in tongues so I could be baptized there (with my dad).

I then had many friends who went to AoG churches and had this Apocalyptic view of current world events. Palin has said that she thinks that Jesus will return in her lifetime. I think that's a terrifying notion as a possible leader of our country and what many charismatics believe.

It's funny, because I haven't attended a charismatic church in probably 10 years. The church I attend now is more reformed theology. There are a number of people who have fairly fundamentalist views of religion in my church. But I have been outside of the Charismatic, Holy Roller movement for so long that I forgot what alot of it sounds like, until reading more and more about her church.

While I still have friends who attend Charismatic churches, I tend to forget what a different view of the world they have. I remember that while it's not a small number of people who hold these same views, it's also not the majority of Christianity in America that shares those views.

Ultimately knowing what alot of "end timers" think about the rapture and all, I think that it's a scary notion to have someone like that with their hand on the football.

[WestSideBilly]

The claims about Obama's economic advisers seem to have been skipped, so I checked it out:

Lawrence Summers: Former treasury secretary under Clinton, former Harvard president. He seems to have a lot of confrontations with far left academics and pissed a lot of ultra-liberals off. I see no issues here, just typical economist foot-in-mouth mistakes.
Robert Rubin: Treasury secretary before Summers, CitiGroup executive. May have used/abused Treasury contacts to benefit CitiGroup. Sound economics, questionable decision making.
Paul Volcker: Chairman of the Fed prior to Greenspan, various banking roles after. Not sure there's anything here, maybe before he was the chairman of the Fed (he seems to have had a role in ending the Fed's gold standard).

In contrast:

Phil Gramm: Former senator, lobbyist for UBS. Career deregulator, claim to fame being the Gramm-Leech-Bliley act which legalized the mergers between banks, insurance companies, and investment firms; which were made illegal after the great Depression to prevent total collapse of the financial industry when one part of it is losing money... woops.
Carly Fiorinia: Former HP chairwoman. We all know her track record there.

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WestSideBilly, thanks for the explanation. If this is the dirt that Big Mike has on Obama, I don't understand how he expects the rest of us to react.

Chuck, nice write-up on end-times. This belief is almost exactly the opposite of the philosophical debates over free will. There are actually surprisingly strong arguments that free will does not exist at all, but as a society we have to behave as if we had free will. Otherwise, if you don't get a job, it's not because you were lazy but because you were built that way. If you commit a crime, how can you convict someone who being a murder just happened to?

Conversely, there isn't any admissible evidence for end-times prophecies, and for society to function correctly the vast majority must operate on the assumption that the world isn't going to end in the next couple weeks or months or years. "Do it for the children" is often the call for responsibility, and if you believe and live as if there won't be any children, you're inviting irresponsible behavior. Let's just assume, for the sake of argument, that end-times prophecies are all correct. Given the world hasn't ended on any day in the last several thousand years of recorded history, why should it end in the next couple hundred?

[Charles Dean]

Totally agree with you Rose. I mean, the Apostle Paul actually had to tell people to get off their asses because they were sitting around thinking Jesus was going to be coming back THEN. People have been predicting end times for as long as people have been around.

2012 is when it's really gonna happen though. At least according to the Mayans.

Hey Westside, let's not forget Phil Gramm's Comodities Modernization act, which allowed companies to trade and sell comodities without any oversight. That's what caused the Enron downfall and is what likely has caused oil prices to skyrocket. In my book, he is the man who is most responsible for all of the worst economic problems in this decade outside of the tech bubble.

Free markets are never free as we can see by our recent bailouts. But, the deregulation helped our economy, right John?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUJ_Qn0AHTU

Amazing that he actually said this after everything that's happened this last week.

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[Charles Dean]

Thanks for the correction Rose.

[WestSideBilly]

Charles, I know Gramm co-sponsored that act in the senate, but I wasn't sure how much of a hand he had in writing it per se (it started life in the House). Not sure how much meat is there.

[Alan]

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