Presidential Election Political Smackdown FFA

[WestSideBilly]

Thanks for clarifying what you meant about automobiles, RCC.

I'm glad I didn't go into my diatribe against CAFE and various other aspects of NHTSA, EPA, CARB, et al.

[Charles Dean]

Come on Billy, you know you wanted to.

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[Charles Dean]

It has been one of my assertions for a long time that fiscal conservatives and religious conservatives coming together under the Republican banner has forced both sides to take up causes that don't really make sense for both sides.

outlawing abortions from a fiscal and government conservative standpoint doesn't make sense, because you're wanting to federally mandate something that many consider to be a personal choice. Very much goes against the idea that the government should stay out of our business. Also goes against the idea of personal responsibility for your actions and not forcing a child onto our welfare system. And also abortion is a multi-million dollar industry.

I have thought this for a long time, which is one of the reasons that I lean left is that Christians are charged by Jesus to take care of the poor. This is according to Jesus one of the greatest things you can do. Nothing about them accepting personal responsibility for their actions, needing to work, or whatever else you want to say against entitlement programs. Just feed and take care of the poor, sick and the widowed. end of story.

The weak conservative christian argument is that private charity should take care of this and that we shouldn't be forced into doing this. Fact of the matter is, if churches were doing this on their own, there would be no need for social security, medicare, medicaid or welfare. No need.

Reagan was masterful in being able to bring these two groups together. Bush II tried to do the same thing, but was so completely ineffective that he's fractured the party greatly.

[Charles Dean]

Wow. We're getting into some serious McCarthy stuff now:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/1 ... 35735.html?

Liberal=anti-American

[Charles Dean]

I also find it sad that Letterman is the first person in the media with the balls to ask McCain about his connection with Liddy and the hypocrisy of him calling out Obama on Ayers.

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[WestSideBilly]

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[Charles Dean]

Here's a good video of him talking to reporters afterwards:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh_c5bbvmqc

"Q: Sir, what role did McCain's negativity play in your decision?

POWELL: It troubled me. You know, we have two wars. We have economic problems. We have health problems. We have education problems. We have infrastructure problems. We have problems around the world with our allies. And so those are the problems the American people wanted to hear about, not about Mr. Ayers, not about who is a Muslim and who's not a Muslim. Those kinds of images going out on al Jazeera are killing us around the world. And we have got to say to the world it doesn't make any difference who you are or what you are. If you're an American you're an American. "

I've always had a great respect for Powell. And I have to say that it's about time that someone in the Republican party stood up and did the honorable thing and called them out on the BS about Obama being a closet muslim. And yes, I am looking at you when I say that Rob.

[Charles Dean]

Wow. Fox News takes McCain to task on the robocalls:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-crONNOrjMs

[Charles Dean]

And here's the full video of Colin Powell's endorsement:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/1 ... 35895.html

In 7 minutes he pretty much wipes out the negative smears against Obama.

[WestSideBilly]

I have an immense amount of respect for Colin Powell and I think he's summed up the situation very well. All the other "cross party" endorsements, like William Buckley Jr, mean next to nothing especially at this late hour. But what Powell said should be a major wake up call to the GOP.

[Charles Dean]

Investigation into possible witness tampering in Alaska by the McCain campaign: http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/2008/10/20/d ... %E2%80%9D/

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