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WestSideBilly
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 Re: Presidential Election Political Smackdown FFA rose-colored-coolaid wrote: WestSideBilly wrote: Exit polls are bordering on useless. I disagree. We learned during last election that exit polls cannot be used exclusively, but only Ohio was incorrectly called. That was, of course, the margin of victory. But that doesn't mean they are worthless. The early results were correct for 98% of all states. I think we're seeing a more responsible press this time around as they still haven't called Indiana, Florida, Virginia, or South Carolina. Don't forget Florida in 2000. CNN's exit polls from tonight missed Missouri and possibly Montana. They're a greater liability than they are an asset. The polling data, which is a much more accurate reflection of the electorate as a whole, from the last month made it pretty clear the states Obama would likely win. The states which were not obvious (the roughly half dozen swings states) couldn't be called based on the exit polling info until a fairly high percentage of precincts had reported in. So the only value they have is to give something for the TV talking heads to talk about until enough precincts have reported to validate the polls. In other words, they're useless. 
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rose-colored-coolaid
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Re: Presidential Election Political Smackdown FFA Just wanted to throw a few more positive things out there for anyone who's down because their man didn't prevail.
Most importantly, there were no widespread reports of vote tampering, voter intimidation, or other shenanigans. Sure, there were one or two minor reports, but they were isolated incidents. This was by far the cleanest election we've held this decade.
Also significant, the margin of victory was decisive. If this had been a near tie, N. Carolina could be a huge news story this morning with only 11k votes separating Obama and McCain. Instead, the election was essentially over at 8:00 and there was no doubt. This gives Obama the room to operate, which regardless of who you were rooting for, we know the incoming president needs to get some stuff done. I'm not surprised a black man won the presidency, I always felt our national racism was overstated, but I am surprised that a black democrat won so decisively.
Now, for Robroy's immature whining. Get over it. McCain manned up with a classy (if slightly long) concession speech. Maybe you're just devastated that you kept doubling down on McCain; go ahead, and wallow in self pity for a few weeks, but once that's done maybe you could just knock off being delusional and comparing everything that you dislike to Nazism. It's not insightful. It's not interesting. It's not enlightening. Calling Obama Hitler#2 is just embarrassing, pathetic, and frankly it sounds bigoted.
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WestSideBilly
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Re: Presidential Election Political Smackdown FFA Other tidbits:
1) Ted Stevens is likely to be reelected. Alaska had nearly 100,000 fewer voters turn out than in 2004. I think I had mentioned earlier that in the event of an Obama landslide, the west coast downticket Democrats might be hurt. With Merkley behind in Oregon as well, it could be the case.
2) West coast voter turnout was low, or rather, not really that high. California is going to be 1.5-2 million votes short of 2004, depending on the volume of absentee ballots. For all the talk of "massive amounts of voters" most of the east coast battleground states seem to be close to their 2004 numbers.
3) Anti gay rights advocates were 3 for 3, maybe 4 for 4 after California is done counting. But anti-abortionists were 0 for 2.
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| Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:25 am |
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rose-colored-coolaid
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Re: Presidential Election Political Smackdown FFA WestSideBilly wrote: 3) Anti gay rights advocates were 3 for 3, maybe 4 for 4 after California is done counting. But anti-abortionists were 0 for 2. I think this is one of the most fascinating results of the night. If I were running the republican party, I would start asking why my party spends so much time fighting abortion when it's fairly clear that Americans are mostly OK with abortion as a right (even while most dislike it) but not gay marriage.
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| Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:59 am |
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mukoh
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Re: Presidential Election Political Smackdown FFA The initiatives were definately interesting. Hopefully the reps will forget about their ideals as they are mentioned.
Nevertheless the new president is welcomed by over 60%+ in the world. He can hopefully stand up to the job.
Georgia and Ukraine have got to be pissed. Losing all of their support in one night.
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| Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:24 am |
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WestSideBilly
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Re: Presidential Election Political Smackdown FFA rose-colored-coolaid wrote: WestSideBilly wrote: 3) Anti gay rights advocates were 3 for 3, maybe 4 for 4 after California is done counting. But anti-abortionists were 0 for 2. I think this is one of the most fascinating results of the night. If I were running the republican party, I would start asking why my party spends so much time fighting abortion when it's fairly clear that Americans are mostly OK with abortion as a right (even while most dislike it) but not gay marriage. The other thing is that part of the reason the GOP spent a lot of money and time with these initiatives is that, in the past couple elections, it really brought out the religious vote. Kerry arguably lost Ohio because of the gay marriage ballot initiative. But this year, Florida's gay marriage ban passed but the state by a wide margin, but still voted strongly for Obama (strongly in that it won't require a recount). Same for California. California is goofy. More people are worried about chickens' rights than about peoples'.
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The Tim
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Re: Presidential Election Political Smackdown FFA Can we have a hilarious post-election video from The Onion? Yes we can.
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Re: Presidential Election Political Smackdown FFA WestSideBilly wrote: The riots on the way home from Bellevue were rough. I made it through, barely.  I totally died in all the race riots last night.
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deejayoh
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Re: Presidential Election Political Smackdown FFA Quote: I think this is one of the most fascinating results of the night. If I were running the republican party, I would start asking why my party spends so much time fighting abortion when it's fairly clear that Americans are mostly OK with abortion as a right (even while most dislike it) but not gay marriage. I love the conservative credo of "the goverrnment should stay out of my way" Except when it comes to a) who I marry b) what I decide to do about a pregnancy c) failing investment banks. Other than that, pretty much hands off. You can build a nuclear reactor in your back yard as long as you don't try to marry someone the same sex.
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uwp
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Re: Presidential Election Political Smackdown FFA Robroy wrote: My wife and I saw Palin's speech on the internet. We both, separately and at the exact same time identified the moment when Palin cinched the presidency for McCain. It was whin Piper licked her hand and "fixed" her little brother's hair. Dead serious here.  This election was so much fun. I HOPE Robroy didn't lose too much on all his bets of a McCain landslide.
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| Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:44 pm |
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rose-colored-coolaid
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Re: Presidential Election Political Smackdown FFA deejayoh wrote: I love the conservative credo of "the goverrnment should stay out of my way"
Except when it comes to a) who I marry b) what I decide to do about a pregnancy c) failing investment banks.
Other than that, pretty much hands off. You can build a nuclear reactor in your back yard as long as you don't try to marry someone the same sex. Untrue. If you are non-European in origin you can't build a reactor. To pile on though, there's this peculiar aspect to the "conservative credo" regarding sexuality. If a movie has copious violence (particularly realistic violence like Saving Private Ryan) it is considered unoffensive, but only the most innocent sexual innuendo is permitted. Not that either is beneficial for society, but can we really argue that Jim Carey has done more harm to the social fabric of society than Al Pacino?
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deejayoh
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Re: Presidential Election Political Smackdown FFA uwp wrote: Robroy wrote: My wife and I saw Palin's speech on the internet. We both, separately and at the exact same time identified the moment when Palin cinched the presidency for McCain. It was whin Piper licked her hand and "fixed" her little brother's hair. Dead serious here. This election was so much fun. I HOPE Robroy didn't lose too much on all his bets of a McCain landslide. Personally, I like the "taking my toys and going home" reaction. And Hitler. Did I forget to mention Hitler?
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rose-colored-coolaid
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Re: Presidential Election Political Smackdown FFA deejayoh wrote: Personally, I like the "taking my toys and going home" reaction. And Hitler. Did I forget to mention Hitler? Yeah, that was a lame reaction - childish even. I am, actually, disappointed in him over that. "Going home" is ok, but you've got to man up first. After months of misapplied holocaust references, confused historical analogies, and declarations of a McCain landslide; the least he could have done was write, "Well, I called this one wrong. I think the people will regret their decision today, but hopefully Obama proves me wrong. In the meantime, I'm burned out on this discussion and won't contribute to it anymore. Congratulations." Instead we got Hitler II and a declaration that the majority of (voting) Americans are Nazis while the sanctimonious Robroy made himself a saintly Jew (can a Jew born after 50 AD be sainted?). Pathetic. I thought he would man up, and he doubled down in the sleaziest way.
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deejayoh
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Re: Presidential Election Political Smackdown FFA well, no one but us evil liberals left here now. :yawn:
takes the fun out of it. time to close up shop
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rose-colored-coolaid
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Re: Presidential Election Political Smackdown FFA I'm just curious what all the PUMA Hillary supporters are thinking about her selection for SoS. My guess is they are happy they decided to vote for Obama after all, since she wouldn't be getting the same respect from a McCain presidency.
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