It starts at the bottom and works it's way up.

[davidlosh@davidlosh.com]

I have a long response, but let me say simply that I lived and worked in the Raineer Valley in the 1970s and early 1980s. I never had a problem. It used to be a great place.

White people ruined the community feel of many neighborhoods. It was tragic to watch and from what I've heard it is an urban phenomenon rather than a legend.

You can see the houses that those people purchase then try to flip. They spin the ethnic complexion while never participating in it.

The community needs participation in community issues. White people seem to be just passing through.

White people want the neighborhood to change to fit thier investment strategy, but do nothing to improve the quality of life for the community at large.

If you move in for life there are specific issues that need to be addressed. Lack of opportunity in the black community should be number one. Supporting black owned businesses should be a priority.

Drugs are a community issue handled at the community center level rather than police presence. Why do white people always call the police for everything?

There are privacy issues for every one, but when cars come and go, as long as it's not bothering you it's none of your business. If it bothers you then it is a community issue, not your personal ax to grind.

White people are so stupid. Why are white people so stupid? Why do white people move into a neighborhood of disrepair with a bunch of fancy stuff to put in the garage?

Why can't white people just get along, mind thier own business, and get to know the neighbors slowly over time? Why are white people in such a rush and pushy?

Maybe over the course of a year or two then you can get to know all your neighbors with a bar be que, some cocktails, a few beers, and music. It doesn't need to be done today.

Let me say again that if there is a problem in your community it is a community problem. White people want to "fix" stuff. Why? It's just stupid.

Those kids that are forming a gang are also a part of your community. You need to know that and respect that those kids are doing something for themselves.

If you have a better way it best work for all of them. If you have something positive to contribute you need to put that out there to the community .If you can't do that or if you are unable to do that then you need to give support to the people who can help.

Go to the community church, temple, or mosque if you get lost on your path. Forget your government, they are only a hinderence unless they give the community money without strings attached.

That there's my dog.

[rose-colored-coolaid]

[wreckingbull]

Back to task now,

I have always said that Tacoma condos will be the first real, live, living, breathing incarnation of Eleua's "80% off" call. More will follow. Units in that beast are getting pretty close. Man, how depressing is that place?

[mike2]

[Angie]

Yep, starts at the bottom all right. The NWMLS numbers released today shows that 380 (SE Seattle) was the only area that had positive YOY price changes for single family houses. See page 2 of



Dave, you just keep on with your bad self. If you haven't been down here for the past 19 years I suspect that you might not have a clue about what things are like these days. Just a suspicion.

Civil Servant, I'm still game. I asked Ira to coordinate and hope he'll pull it together. I'm generally available on weekends mid-morning but can't do it on the 14th.

[rose-colored-coolaid]

[davidlosh@davidlosh.com]

I'm in the area all the time. My office is in the International District a block up from Raineer.

I just don't like white people.

Thankfully the Raineer Vista Projects are almost finished and the anticipated gentrification can fade into distant memory.

Columbia City will languish as it should until affordability returns. That will be very soon. You will find many speculators trying to get out.

In the mean time the Asian community will continue to buy up the area.

[Angie]

Dave, babe, if you're in the area all the time, could you do us the favor of learning to spell 'Rainier' correctly?

Maybe the whole spelling thing is one of those annoying white people traits.

Sniglet, I think the relevant question is mix of houses *sold*. Undoubtedly there are lots of not so great houses, and houses in less desirable areas, that are on the market for much less than the lowest prices seen for the last few years. Those aren't selling though (and surely the stats will take a hit if and when they do).

So, probably the people who bought down here in Feb got a better deal for their money than they would have a year ago, in terms of amount of house or desirable location. The thing that I think really tells the tale is that they still were willing to do it in 380, and they surely got way more/better house for the money than they would have for comparable prices north of the ship canal.

[biliruben]

about when the gentrification recedes. It mentions Beacon Hill specifically, though the article is about an LA neighborhood.

[rose-colored-coolaid]

[davidlosh@davidlosh.com]

Here are a couple of quotes from the article provided:

The tide of gentrification that transformed economically depressed enclaves is receding, leaving some communities high and dry.

Christian Lander, 30, who jeered the pretensions of the creative class on his Web site, Stuff White People Like, lives a few miles to the west of Eagle Rock and says things will be fine — better even. "The economic downturn is good for fringe neighborhoods," Mr. Lander said. "It returns the neighborhood to the people who consider themselves to be real residents."

Let's see, spell check for the Raineir and I am an @sshole. There is no doubt about that.

What gets me is the idea that anyone would be coming to the Seattle Bubble site to look for business of any kind.

[tomtom]

[lamont]

[ira s]

....and 16th and Spruce ain't exactly the top of Queen Anne, though I guess there's the Home of Good BBQ premium.

[EconE]

a couple more...

2000 prices?...

http://www.redfin.com/WA/Seattle/7217-S ... ome/198475

Loss by HELOC? It sure took a long time for the bank to get this one on the market.

http://www.redfin.com/WA/Seattle/5619-S ... ome/178028