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Post Re: What's so great about daily print newspapers?
Wow, I had no idea such small towns have libraries. That's a good thing! And I think losing our papers makes us more of a world class city -- all the big cities are doing it. Full disclosure: I own an Xbox 360.


Fri Mar 13, 2009 1:55 pm
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Post Re: What's so great about daily print newspapers?
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For me, I haven't bought a printed newspaper for well over a year. I get all of my news online from about 6-8 different sources, local and national. With internet access, it's far easier I think to find news and different takes on the same story.

Ultimately it does come down to a question of economics.


Right. When I buy a newspaper or a magazine, it's because the content therein is worth something to me. When I can read almost anything I want online for free, I feel like I'm getting away with something, and I see that the economic model is unsustainable.

But I am made richer by everything I read, the very stuff that is currently supported by the unsustainable model. When the model breaks, I'm going to take a major lifestyle hit and I'm also going to become stupider. I don't see the horse-breeder comparison as being particularly apt -- there, the breeders suffered economically but the former customers of the breeders, now in cars, could go farther faster without having to get wet or end up smelling like an animal, which represented a net social and economic gain. Also, the horse breeders would only have had to learn a new skill to get by. If print newspapers die, the loss is institutional.


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Post Re: What's so great about daily print newspapers?
I think it was Jon who said the lack of internet usage wasn't so much a class thing as an age thing, and I agree.
Most people in their 60's and older don't use the internet, so it doesn't really matter if there's a library on every corner with 25 internet terminals if people don't know how to get online.

Does having only one newspaper make Seattle less of a world class city?
Yes, if that newspaper is the Seattle Times. Not that there's anything World Class about the P-I...
I'm one of those people who is really rankled with the term " World Class".
A great city is one with diversity, racially, economically, and culturally, and that would range from opera to old grizzled guys in bars downing bottles of Mickey's Big mouth...but when I think of people who push the term " World Class' i think of people who want to rid the city of poor folks and folks less literate than themselves, and envision a city full of sculpture parks and opera and symphony and poetry readings, and people braying about native plants and how proud they are that plastic bags are going to be banned.
You can have your world class.


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SeattleMoose wrote:

More importantly, with independent and unique printed news media in every town/city of America it is almost impossible for any agency to grab complete control of the news media. However, if all physical newspapers are eliminted, online news sites could end up like "TV news" in that all news is "fed" to them. Saying goodby to printed media is one step closer to total centralization/control. Not a good situtation.


I heard these "blog" things are catching on

Hypocrisy check: Posters on this site piss and moan about how bad the "MSM" is all day in their reporting about the economy, the housing boom, etc. The Seattle Times and PI are painted as being in the hip pocket of the "REIC".

Now I read this thread and posters are bitching about how it's the end of world that the PI is going out of business

My $0.02: the PI sucks. It was always second rate even for Seattle. And printing newspapers is a ridiculous waste when you can distribute news electronically. No paper, no printing, no distribution, no waste. Seems like a fine idea to me.

Oh, and poor people don't subscribe to the paper.


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Post Re: What's so great about daily print newspapers?
ira s wrote:
I think it was Jon who said the lack of internet usage wasn't so much a class thing as an age thing, and I agree.
Most people in their 60's and older don't use the internet, so it doesn't really matter if there's a library on every corner with 25 internet terminals if people don't know how to get online.

So it's more an issue of people not being comfortable with getting their news a different way than people not actually being able to.

deejayoh wrote:
Oh, and poor people don't subscribe to the paper.

Exactly why the "class divide" argument doesn't make any sense to me.

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Post Re: What's so great about daily print newspapers?
Pretty much what DJO said. First, you have to separate the two aspects of "newspaper's dying". One part is the elimination of print distribution, and the other is newspapers that stop publishing articles.

If every newspaper in the world immediately eliminated all print distribution, very few people would suffer much from lack of news. Even ignoring online news, cable TV provides 24-7 news, over-the-air TV provides a couple hours of local news a day, many radio stations are essentially 24-7 news and others like NPR produce regular news segments on under-reported topics. And don't forget that people talk to each other. I don't have to read every meaningful story, because people who are more interested in it than I am share it with me.

On the other hand, if all the papers truly shut down, we face a real threat of reduced variety of news. If there were only 3 papers in the country, it's easy to imagine a situation (like on TV) where one is ultra-left, one is ultra-right, and the paper that tries to use journalistic integrity is unable to actually cover everything that needs covering. Investigative report is especially time consuming and often the most important news we have.

Enough about the demise. In the future, most of all your biggest concerns will be eliminated by technology. E-paper, like what the Kindle and Sony Reader use will progress to the point where you can read a years worth of news stories on a single AA battery. Downloads will become seamless enough that even a disabled elderly will be comfortable with pushing the "Update News" button on his 'paper' (given to him by the Seattle Times of course, but with a 75 cents per diem charge) and within second he'll have the entire days news downloaded over the cell lines without even realizing that he knows how to use a computer (albeit a specialized one).

Think it's impossible? The elderly know how to use microwaves, and every microwave in production has little computers inside. What the 65+ crowd doesn't like are WIMPY computers with Windows interfaces that they find non-intuitive. This is obviously a problem that can/will be resolved.


Fri Mar 13, 2009 5:02 pm
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Post Re: What's so great about daily print newspapers?
http://sports.espn.go.com/stations/player?context=podcast&id=3976937

Podcast between writers Bill Simmons and Chuck Klosterman. Partly focused on sports writing, but mostly what they feel about the reasons behind the "death" of newspapers.


Sat Mar 14, 2009 10:47 am
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Post Re: What's so great about daily print newspapers?
Looks like we're not losing SREP after all:

"Seattle Real Estate Professionals" to stay online at the new Seattle PI


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Lucky us.

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Post Re: What's so great about daily print newspapers?
Lake Hills Renter wrote:


Well that's one bullet dodged. Otherwise, they might all have ended up here. Imagine Seattle Bubble filled with people who used to make a living off real estate!


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