About The Tim

Tim Ellis is the founder of Seattle Bubble. His background in engineering and computer / internet technology, a fondness of data-based analysis of problems, and an addiction to spreadsheets all influence his perspective on the Seattle-area real estate market. Tim also hosts the weekly improv comedy sci-fi podcast Dispatches from the Multiverse.

53 comments:

  1. 1
    The Tim says:

    Our last Neighborhood Smackdown was a dead heat all the way through the very end. I thought it would be fun to do some more of these.

  2. 2
    David Losh says:

    My wife and I had dinner at the Matador in Ballard last night, it was great. Then we walked by, I guess, over a dozen restuarants, bars, and a couple of dance clubs on Ballard Avenue. I was surprised at what a great neighborhood it had become.

    West Seattle I don’t get at all. I understand you are close to the beach, but really it’s not much of a beach. Then you are surrounded by very dicey neighborhoods. I now ask in our business for people to define where in “West Seattle” they live. Most of the time they mean White Center.

    Queen Ann is all about family. It has great houses, views, and lifestyle.

    I don’t see the comparison.

  3. 3
    Ben says:

    West Seattle seems to be at least in part a refuge for people who want to have a beach near Seattle. There are the folks who have seen a real beach, and are fooling themselves, and then there are the folks who have not really been to many real beaches, who are being fooled by everybody else.

    David hit the nail on the head. There are a lot of dicey neighbourhoods in the area.

    In comparison, Queen Anne has some of the most expensive RE in the Westside.

    But I know that Tim knows this. He wanted a funny throwdown and a flame war. :)

  4. 4

    A lot, if not most of West Seattle isn’t even near the beach.

  5. 5

    Bah!
    West Seattle does not mean White Center, and there are some lovely West Seattle neighborhoods not on the beach, like the Admiral District and the Alaska Junction.
    Nothing wrong with Queen Anne, especially the top of Queen Anne. Lower Queen Anne doesn’t do it for me personally, and certainly Queen Anne is a more expensive neighborhood overall. But West Seattle seems to get light that no other part of town gets, The Alaska Junction is hip like Ballard, and even poor White Center, which is not really West Seattle and not even in the city of Seattle, is an interesting neighborhood. White Center is a neighborhood with vitality, and it’s not full of hip young white people with discretionary income.
    White Center has one of the best pizza places around, a home made ice cream place, a pie bakery, and some great Vietnamese, Cambodian, and Mexican food.
    Seattle is full of liberals who, when asked about neighborhoods, will warn you against neighborhoods that have non white people or poor people, unless they’re eastside neighborhoods where the non white people write code for a living..
    Me? I’d rather eat in White Center but live in Queen Anne. White Center has great and inexpensive hole in the wall restaurants. Queen Anne has restaurants that have renowned chefs, places that people call ” exquisite”, and charge and an arm and a leg for small portions of things like ” wild harvested free range pigeon entrails in a beurre blanc reduction served atop an arugula frissee”.

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    toad37 says:

    RE: Ira Sacharoff @ 5 – Well said Ira!

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    fubarrio says:

    RE: Ira Sacharoff @ 5 – “” wild harvested free range pigeon entrails in a beurre blanc reduction served atop an arugula frissee”.” lol.

    btw, west seattle has a ‘matador’ as well…i didn’t ‘get’ west seattle either until i moved there…but don’t take my word for it…stay out. :-)

    u show me the equivalent of lincoln park in queen anne and i’ll change my vote.

    fb

  8. 8
    Scotsman says:

    RE: Ira Sacharoff @ 5

    “Seattle is full of liberals who, when asked about neighborhoods, will warn you against neighborhoods that have non white people or poor people, unless they’re eastside neighborhoods where the non white people write code for a living..”

    Snort! Seattle “liberals.”

  9. 9
    Lurker says:

    what a difficult one. We’ve lived in both places. The main thing QA has going for it it proximity to other things. And that everybody has money so your potholes get fixed a lot quicker. Can’t really speak for the bottom of the hill though. (which is where the only good QA food is)

  10. 10
    robotslave says:

    I prefer West Seattle, but with reservations.

    Its commercial zoning is too sparse, and there are way too many empty storefronts. Even the higher-priced areas are largely car-dependent, and have unoccupied gaps in their retail blocks; and this was true even during the tech and RE bubbles.

    There’s very little nightlife in West Seattle, if you care for that sort of thing. I find most West Seattlites prefer it sleepy, and those who don’t will tell you that things are changing (and they’ve been telling you that for decades now).

    White Center isn’t going to remain unincorporated forever, but the political football will take at least a few more hops before it settles down. By picking up just the sliver of 98106 in White Center, Seattle could absorb the entirety of the “vibrant neighborhood” that Ira mentions (he’s talking mostly about businesses on a single block on a single street within 150 yards of the Seattle border). However, that sliver of 98106 also contains a sizeable chunk of low-income housing, so eating the whole slice could easily be a net loss to the city.

    It will be interesting to see what happens to real estate in White Center once it’s incorporated; I’d think the mere uncertainty of its current situation probably puts off some buyers and developers.

  11. 11
    Peter Witting says:

    I lived near Alaska Junction – deep West Seattle territory – for years. Believe all the awful things you hear about it, Seattle “liberals”. It isn’t close to anything, the commute is terrible, the views are overrated, there are “poor” neighborhoods (you know what *that* is code for – wink) nearby. You should all flock to Queen Anne, drive up the prices of the pink ponies there, and stay as far away from West Seattle as possible. ;)

  12. 12

    I think West Seattle gets a bad rap. Most Seattleites think West Seattle in on the other side of the moon and look down their noses at the place. It’s actually takes just as long to get to downtown from there as it does form Ballard. For first time buyers, it’s a great area to look in and a lot more affordable and a lot less competitive than its neighbors to the north. California avenue has a fine stretch of eating and drinking establishments. Sure it ain’t cool like Capitol Hill but being cool is exhausting and you have to wear black clothes 365 days a year. Queen Anne is definitely the “nicer” of the two but not all buyers can afford to live there. West Seattle had the most on-line home searches in August, so there’s a lot of people at least open to buying there…..and its has the excellent West Seattle golf course……puts Jefferson and Jackson to shame! Anyone for a spot of golf?

  13. 13
    Hugh Dominic says:

    By Peter Witting @ 11:

    I lived near Alaska Junction – deep West Seattle territory – for years. Believe all the awful things you hear about it, Seattle “liberals”. It isn’t close to anything, the commute is terrible, the views are overrated, there are “poor” neighborhoods (you know what *that* is code for – wink) nearby. You should all flock to Queen Anne, drive up the prices of the pink ponies there, and stay as far away from West Seattle as possible. ;)

    Peter has it nailed. I’ve lived in West Seattle for 14 years, but I’m voting for Queen Anne. I prefer a closed neighborhood with poor access to the freeways, homes crammed into 3,000 sq ft lots, and giant towers irradiating the people and cluttering the horizon.

    There’s nothing to do in West Seattle. It’s pretty much just Delridge and the beach. You should definitely not visit on Oct 31, because you’ll have to navigate your Escalade around hordes of little kids acting like monsters, and the local businesses only seem to encourage that kind of behavior.

  14. 14
    Hugh Dominic says:

    RE: Conor MacEvilly @ 12 – That golf course is totally overrated. It’s right off a main thoroughfare, has no trees or foliage, no driving range. The views of Mount Rainier and Seattle are only from a few of the holes. Most of the time it’s just fairway.

    It’s also really expensive, and they let practically anyone in.

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    David Losh says:

    RE: Ira Sacharoff @ 5

    White center also has the Salvadoranio Bakery that has one of the best tres leches cakes in the Seattle Area.

    That’s not my point.

    My point is Delridge, and yes that industrial area. You can call all of California Way hip, and happening, but it is really restrictive. The whole vibe of the area is like an us versus them. The neighborhood is weird, and disjointed. The homes are OK, but it is spotty, at best.

    This is a neighborhood smack down and I don’t see West Seattle as a neighborhood.

  16. 16
    Sweet Pea says:

    Lived at the Junction for a couple of years, love that neighborhood. Yes, commute across the bridge can suck, but you just have to leave early enough. They really could use better bus service, though, it was pretty pathetic when I was there, even with a stop right across the street.

    Didn’t actually spend a ton of time at Alki, we had everything walking distance at the junction. I’m in a better location now for the rest of my lifestyle (bordering on rural) but I really miss that neighborhood and the restaurants.

  17. 17
    Sweet Pea says:

    By Ira Sacharoff @ 5:

    Bah!
    West Seattle does not mean White Center, and there are some lovely West Seattle neighborhoods not on the beach, like the Admiral District and the Alaska Junction.
    Nothing wrong with Queen Anne, especially the top of Queen Anne. Lower Queen Anne doesn’t do it for me personally, and certainly Queen Anne is a more expensive neighborhood overall. But West Seattle seems to get light that no other part of town gets, The Alaska Junction is hip like Ballard, and even poor White Center, which is not really West Seattle and not even in the city of Seattle, is an interesting neighborhood. White Center is a neighborhood with vitality, and it’s not full of hip young white people with discretionary income.
    White Center has one of the best pizza places around, a home made ice cream place, a pie bakery, and some great Vietnamese, Cambodian, and Mexican food.
    Seattle is full of liberals who, when asked about neighborhoods, will warn you against neighborhoods that have non white people or poor people, unless they’re eastside neighborhoods where the non white people write code for a living..
    Me? I’d rather eat in White Center but live in Queen Anne. White Center has great and inexpensive hole in the wall restaurants. Queen Anne has restaurants that have renowned chefs, places that people call ” exquisite”, and charge and an arm and a leg for small portions of things like ” wild harvested free range pigeon entrails in a beurre blanc reduction served atop an arugula frissee”.

    Great post. Yes, even the weather in West Seattle can be different (sunny there sometimes when it’s not in downtown, but also can be more snow, strangely. The long chain of snow storms a couple of years ago was just gorgeous there, and the Junction is flat enough we could still walk around easily.).

    Although, I have a friend who was an EMT in White Center, and it can be very very bad there. I had some great ceviche there, but my friend’s unit also had to respond to a shooting of a police officer in White Center, terrible thing. Er, and the pharmacy across the street from us at the Junction was robbed by a junkie, in which incident my truck was sideswiped, kind of forgot about that. I don’t miss the drunks walking down California at 3am on the weekends, shouting. There are of course good and less desirable things about any neighborhood. Some of the children of the zombies in the eastside ‘burbs are as bad as anything in the city.

  18. 18
    Crunchy says:

    I love West Seattle. We moved here about a year and a half ago after living before in several areas north of downtown (Fremont, Greenlake, Haller Lake). Finally we wanted to buy a house that was in a neighborhood quintessentially “Seattle”. Our new place is one block from the beach at Fauntleroy, looks over the sound and ferries, there is fantastic food at White Center, and our neighbors all socialize together. In comparison to our other neighborhoods, this one is alive and vibrant, in retrospect, the others felt pretty dead. And I can get downtown in 20 minutes.

  19. 19
    uwp says:

    West Seattle is interesting. I’m not familiar enough to say whether or not I would want to live there (and it would probably heavily depend on my work location), but one thing I have noticed is that when friends move there, I don’t really see them anymore. They become West Seattlites and stick to the neighborhood. I don’t have any problem getting Seattle friends to meet in Ballard, Fremont, Magnolia, Queen Anne, Cap Hill, UW, Shoreline, Leschi… basically anything Beacon Hill and north. But ask a friend from West Seattle to stay out past 8pm and it gets difficult.

    But people who move there sure do love it.

    Voted for QA.

    Good food, nice houses, walkable, lots of grocery options, and one of the better locations for multiple commutes.

    Traffic is a pain right now though. Who thought it would be a good idea to do Mercer St/I5, 99, and 520 all at the same time?

  20. 20
    Ray Pepper says:

    West Seattle HANDS DOWN! But, even better 98062 !

  21. 21
    gardener1 says:

    We arrived in west Seattle 3 years ago after living many years overseas. We live here because the landlord deigned to take our thousands of $$ in deposits and rent to us when no one else would do. We have never lived in Seattle before. We don’t like Seattle, anywhere.

    West Seattle is definitely ‘meh’. It’s a burgh. A scenic one. The landscape is relatively pretty. We live by Lincoln Park and can see the Puget Sound from our apartment. We’ve been to Lincoln Park twice, Alki once, Lowman Beach 1/2 a block away, a couple of times. Don’t care for any of them much, there’s nothing to do there but look around and maybe jog. We aren’t joggers.

    There are way too many F^K%!#G dogs in this neighborhood. Day and night, night and day–at the supermarket, in the local pub (which we hate) at the gas station, in the park, up and down in a never ending parade on the sidewalks, everywhere everywhere fricking dogs. Dogs dogs dogs. Dog washing studios, doggy day cares, natural pet food emporiums. dog grooming salons, Super Fun Happy Dog commuting vans, dear god the dogs! Never seen anything like the dog worship around here. Gay people with their damn dogs.

    Three and a half years in west Seattle. Dogs and views. And bus service that ain’t worth a sh!t.

    We will leave here some day. We will not miss west Seattle, Queen Anne, Bellvue, Belltown, Ballard, Burien, Capitol Hill or any other obscure junctions in the area. I look forward to the day Seattle and all of its depressing, run down, overgrown, Craftsman mildewed, overpriced, dog-ridden neighborhoods are part of our past.

    Doing hard time in Seattle year after year,
    gardener1

  22. 22

    By Conor MacEvilly @ 12:

    I think West Seattle gets a bad rap. Most Seattleites think West Seattle in on the other side of the moon and look down their noses at the place. It’s actually takes just as long to get to downtown from there as it does form Ballard.

    I would agree, but bad example. The one negative on Ballard is that it’s hard to get there from anywhere.

    I lived on Alki for a month prior to the existing bridge going in, and while one of the two lower bridges was knocked out of service. Even then it wasn’t a bad drive into Seattle (unless the bridge went up for a ship to go past). I assume it will get even better with the work being done on the West Seattle Freeway (and yes I know it’s no longer called that).

  23. 23

    RE: Hugh Dominic @ 14
    Unless you’re driving the ball down the middle every time Hugh, you’re going to be talking to a big NW tree. I played there last Friday and paid $20! If that’s too expensive for a round of golf, maybe time to look for another sport. Is a max of $35 in summer. As for views of Rainier, you’d be lucky to be able to see that thing even if you were standing in Paradise parking lot! Best courses are definitely outside Seattle and jumping on the ferry helps…White Horse, Gold Mountain, McCormick Woods, Port Ludlow.
    Cheers

  24. 24

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 21
    I presume you mean one negative of West Seattle (not Ballard) is that it’s hard to get there form anywhere? If so, I agree.

  25. 25

    By Conor MacEvilly @ 23:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 21
    I presume you mean one negative of West Seattle (not Ballard) is that it’s hard to get there form anywhere? If so, I agree.

    No, I mean Ballard. Between the two and downtown I would think it’s about equal, but it is easier to get to I-5 from West Seattle than Ballard.

  26. 26
    uwp says:

    Ballard is horrible for commuting unless you are going downtown.
    18 Express!

    Getting to I-5 on the other-hand…

    If I didn’t work in Bellevue, Ballard would probably be my neighborhood of choice (over QA for $ reasons).

  27. 27
    Anonymous Coward says:

    Only on a real estate website would anyone consider White Center part of West Seattle. But if we’re going to use “real estate listing locations” to define our neighborhoods, then we’re going to have to include Interbay as part of Queen Anne…

  28. 28
  29. 29
    WestSideBilly says:

    RE: Conor MacEvilly @ 22 – You should probably re-read Hugh’s posts. Pretty sure he was being facetious.

    I live in West Seattle proper (a few blocks from the Junction), and even at that I’m not sure I’d vote for it. Other than at 8am during the week, getting to downtown is usually a painless 10-15 minutes, less than 20 by bus. Worse than QA, but better than most neighborhoods. Ballard is much worse, almost all the time.

    West Seattle is a pretty broad area, and many people include Delridge, White Center, Arbor Heights, and Fauntleroy areas in it. That’s a pretty broad and diverse “neighborhood” that’s probably 4 times the size of QA. If you’re comparing Alki to QA, that’s very different comparison. Any way you slice it, QA is a nice, but very expensive, neighborhood. West Seattle is a good value in comparison, and if you have a view, better in some ways. White Center gets a worse rep than it deserves, but it seems like a lot of people in Seattle have never been in an actual ghetto, so it’s not terribly surprising.

    uwp – your friends suck. I can get anywhere in the Seattle area in under 30 minutes, if they don’t want to stay out past 8 it has nothing to do with living in West Seattle.

  30. 30
    Olivier says:

    RE: toad37 @ 6
    +1!

  31. 31
    Olivier says:

    RE: gardener1 @ 21
    You even get a dog picture when posting on Seattle Bubble! Dogs everywhere! :)

  32. 32
    Hugh Dominic says:

    RE: Conor MacEvilly @ 23 – Yes, I understand. But I don’t think it helps to advertise the WS golf course. My vote for Queen Anne and the fine nearby Interbay putt putt course stands.

  33. 33

    RE: Hugh Dominic @ 32 – Shurely you mean Royal Interbay putt putt?

  34. 34

    I live in and love West Seattle and all the micro-communities with the Junction, Admiral, Alki, Fauntleroy and White Center. We have tons of restaurants, tons of grocery stores and yes, the beach… I don’t go to Alki much–in fact during the summer I avoid it… lots of other great parks like Lowman and Lincoln Park to retreat to.

    I do all I can to support our local community to shop here… and once the viaduct goes down…I won’t have much choice!

  35. 35
    Pegasus says:

    RE: Ira Sacharoff @ 5 – White Center Ira? It is not a skin color thing its a crime thing. Ask any police officer where they don’t want to respond to calls to or work in and White Center is near the top of places to avoid if they can. The police don’t like putting their lives at risk anymore than the rest of us.

  36. 36
    Mike says:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 25

    Very true! We live in Phinney and I curse the fools who thought Ballard was a good place to dump a bunch of condos to house a large influx of residents, almost none of which work there. 50th is a parking lot, 45th and Market are no better, Interbay used to be a passable alternative if Aurora was bad but less so now. Lot of people in a hole surrounded by water.

    West Seattle commute isn’t bad now but how about for the next three years as they dig the tunnel and then when tolling starts? If you’re talking about a long-term house, it seems those would be big factors.

  37. 37
    One Eyed Man says:

    RE: gardener1 @ 21

    The ghost of Emmett Watson thanks you and wishes you would follow your heart rather than your wallet.

  38. 38
    Tim McB says:

    I would say depends on the what lifestyle/life stage you’re at. I’ve in lived both places. When I was in my early to mid 20’s Queen Anne was where all my friends (and myself) were at. But now that I’m in my early 30’s and have a daughter I’d probably go West Seattle. One thing that doesn’t get much press is Queen Anne has a crime problem. I’ve talked to 3 friends who moved out of the area for that and other reasons. Not sure about West Seattle crime. My guess would be it gets worse as you go south but perception doesn’t always match reality. Queen Anne is for Seattle old money wealthy and the wanna-be wealthy. West Seattle seems more family oriented.

  39. 39
    Thomas says:

    I’m surprised nobody has brought up the West Seattle Blog yet.

    It’s the future of the news media. In my backyard. Nothing on Queen Anne even comes close to making up for that.

    However, since I like having ample parking, please listen to Peter Witting @ 11 and Hugh Dominic @ 13 with their understandings of why you shouldn’t move there.

  40. 40
    Hugh Dominic says:

    By Mike @ 36:

    West Seattle commute isn’t bad now but how about for the next three years as they dig the tunnel and then when tolling starts? If you’re talking about a long-term house, it seems those would be big factors.

    The WS commute was horrible from 198x – 2003 (or whenever they re-striped the bridge and finished the 1st Ave bridge). Then it became a great commute. It was not only fast, but the experience of flying into (or past) downtown and enjoying the views from the viaduct cannot be matched.

    Now it is so-so, with serious congestion on the bridge in the morning. On October 25th the viaduct will be closed for a week as rush hour hits the bridge. On Nov 1, it will re-open but with a severe flow problem due to the re-routing of all traffic through the 1st Ave access ramps. At this point the WS commute will hit a multi-decade low point; far worse than pre-2003 because the city has dumped a lot of density into WS including some enormous apartment buildings since then.

    At that point all WS residents should expect their home prices to be worth 15% less than whatever they are right now. It will be an unsustainable situation for many and they will have to move. Maybe that’s an opportunity to buy, I don’t know.

    When the projects are completed in 2014 (or whatever) the traffic flow will probably be pretty good, but the gorgeous views and sunlight of the viaduct will be replaced by stop-and-go traffic on Alaskan Blvd or 4th; or a long, dark, traverse of the tunnel.

    After October 25th, the WS commute will never be the same.

  41. 41
    WestSideBilly says:

    By Hugh Dominic @ 40:

    After October 25th, the WS commute will never be the same.

    I don’t do it often (maybe once a month), but the weekday commute across the West Seattle Bridge always seemed to be congestion from I-5, not from SR-99. The weekend backups are almost always caused by the northbound onramp onto I-5/I-90 east.

    I don’t think the alterations to SR-99 at the end of next month will drastically alter the morning commute.

  42. 42

    RE: Hugh Dominic @ 40 – I’m not a fan of the tunnel either… I love the viaduct and wish our elected officials would just replace it instead of doing the tunnel (that has been voted against). Our family did a cheesy video spoof on the tunnel on youtube which Seattle Times picked up a few years ago.

  43. 43
    WestSideBilly says:

    By Pegasus @ 35:

    RE: Ira Sacharoff @ 5 – White Center Ira? It is not a skin color thing its a crime thing. Ask any police officer where they don’t want to respond to calls to or work in and White Center is near the top of places to avoid if they can. The police don’t like putting their lives at risk anymore than the rest of us.

    The police have a LOT of prejudice. SPD has repeatedly proven that they, as an organization, have some issues with that. So, just for fun, I looked up some stats:

    http://web5.seattle.gov/mnm/statistics.aspx?tabId=3

    White Center (and adjacent Delridge, Boulevard Park, et al) are about equal to Queen Anne, faring a bit worse for violent crime and a bit better for property crime. Almost all of downtown – Belltown, Capitol Hill, etc – is worse. The U district and Lake Union are pretty bad, too.

    If I were a police officer, where would I want to avoid? Being in a car. Almost half of all police fatalities occur from traffic incidents.

  44. 44
    Hugh Dominic says:

    By WestSideBilly @ 41:

    By Hugh Dominic @ 40:

    After October 25th, the WS commute will never be the same.

    I don’t do it often (maybe once a month), but the weekday commute across the West Seattle Bridge always seemed to be congestion from I-5, not from SR-99. The weekend backups are almost always caused by the northbound onramp onto I-5/I-90 east.

    I don’t think the alterations to SR-99 at the end of next month will drastically alter the morning commute.

    Ok, I’ll take you up on that bet.

  45. 45

    RE: Pegasus @ 35
    Actually, I know a King County deputy who works unincorporated urban King County, primarily White Center, Skyway, and Boulevard Park. He’s been involved in the gang unit, and he works these neighborhoods by choice. The last time I spoke to him, his feeling was that community involvement and the change in businesses has improved White Center. Nobody is going to confuse White Center with the top of Queen Anne, but I do think it’s a skin color thing and not a crime thing. Look at the crime stats for White Center. It’s not so bad, and according to Marty the deputy, a lot of the gang activity has moved to places like Auburn and Algona. But perception and reality aren’t always the same. Crime has improved in White Center, but until the black and brown and Asian people leave, and are replaced by white people eating duck confit, it will always be perceived as being dangerous.

  46. 46
    Scotsman says:

    RE: Ira Sacharoff @ 45

    Not as dangerous as East Bellevue- we got cowboys and indians out here. Indians are from the Code’n tribe. Suckers buy up all the decent red curry at the Fred Meyer. Savages, I tell ya!

    We got horses too. Thankfully, there’s fewer liberals than Seattle. But we somehow manage to all get along just fine- ‘cept for the curry issue.

  47. 47
    Pegasus says:

    RE: Ira Sacharoff @ 45 – My recent conversations with law enforcement officers claim the opposite that your deputy claims. It isn’t about whether or not whites are eating duck confit in White Center, its about crime. Granted there are other areas that are just as bad but I would never live in White Center. I suggest that if you feel it is so safe that you wander around there after 10.00PM for a couple of weeks to experience the “safety”. Before you do you might want to peruse this blog for pertinent info along with some comments from the King County Sheriff’s Department:

    http://whitecenternow.com/categories/crime/

  48. 48
    David Losh says:

    RE: Ira Sacharoff @ 45

    Sorry Ira, but it’s the white people who scare me. I said Delridge deliberately. The pick up truck driving tough guys who live in the neighborhood, along with the well intentioned people who like the diversity are always the problem.

    White people move into neighborhoods and ruin it for every body. The white male, in particular, has no enterprise, and only a sense of entitlement.

    On Queen Anne you can segregate these people out of the main stream. They can live there with the grocerias and day care without bothering any body.

    In West Seattle white people are in every bodies business about every little thing. That’s what makes the neighborhood disjointed. If we could only contain these people to one little area then you might have something. The way it is now they are just a blight that keeps spreading.

  49. 49
    Hugh Dominic says:

    RE: David Losh @ 48 – Yikes, you’re a racist!

  50. 50

    RE: Pegasus @ 47
    I did peruse the blog, and found out that for 2011 there has only been one homicide in White Center..
    White Center hasn’t transformed into Medina or Queen Anne. It still has crime and poor people.Given my choice, as I stated in an earlier post, I’d live in Queen Anne and dine in White Center. And the White Center community has to fight to reopen the Sheriff’s storefront open, closed due to budget cuts. I’d go there after 10 PM ( and have been), but I’m weird. I’d risk getting shot in order to get a good slab of ribs or a good slice of pizza.
    But like you said, no place is immune from crime:
    http://frontpointblog.com/2011/06/29/burglaries-double-in-seattle-suburb-crime-spotlight-on-bellevue-wa/

  51. 51
    Pegasus says:

    RE: Ira Sacharoff @ 50 – You probably play Russian Roulette too? The link you posted that identifies home break-ins up sharply in Swellvue reminds me of a quote by bank robber Willie Sutton when he said “Go where the money is…and go there often”. Words obviously being heeded in these slow economic times.

  52. 52
    seattle lover says:

    i would just like to say that ALL and by all i am including white center; that west Seattle is a great place to live. i have grown up in the that NEIGHBORHOOD and it has been one of the best experience in my life. the people there are like no other people. they are kind and friendly. they have the best restaurants and shopping in the junction. and queen Anne has nothing like Alki beech. you live in west seattle and it has sense of community and love where ever you go.

  53. 53
    Ricki says:

    RE: Ben @ 3
    Queen Anne is also house burglar central. Just because it is an affluent neighborhood doesn’t mean its a crime-free neighborhood. That is where all the house burglars and robbers like to go, because they know those residents will have lots of valuables to steal. Not to mention it is close to many other areas of town.

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