About The Tim

Tim Ellis is the founder of Seattle Bubble. His background in engineering and computer / internet technology, a fondness of data-based analysis of problems, and an addiction to spreadsheets all influence his perspective on the Seattle-area real estate market. Tim also hosts the weekly improv comedy sci-fi podcast Dispatches from the Multiverse.

940 comments:

  1. 751

    My real estate brain is thinking.
    , NY
    Kirkland just passed the increased density zoning change allowing essentially families living on what is now one property. An ADU plus a DADU plus the house.

    The general trend in the entire area has been to allow more houses, tighter living conditions, tiny house movements, apodments, more density.

    This all seemed somewhat like good news…until we see what density does, NYC, in a pandemic. Increased density doesn’t sound like such a great plan when it’s all Cuomo, all day, on my TV. Living “Close In” vs out in Carnation or Monroe might make a turn around as well.

    At least having a full sized house on a full sized lot and the tiny house movement? I never totally understood The Tiny House Movement, but I bet it’s a horrible place to be “Stay Home; Stay Safe” in. Homes with some space, what were criticized as being “McMansions” may make a big comeback. For years people derided those who needed a lot of space. Now they are probably wishing they had more space trying to work at home with wife and kids.

  2. 752

    RE: Ardell DellaLoggia @ 742
    All They Need is Bars on the Windows

    And a tiny house starts to resemble a “jail cell” when in isolation…my next door neighbor is on the HOA board and I see them leaving their homes and ride sharing cheating anyway….they cut a large 30 year old tree down originally planted by the HOA and legally on HOA property, but the trunk is destroying my flower bed on my property with an ugly tree trunk sticking out…I told the HOA to grind the large stump down below ground so I can replace the “destroyed” flower bed with grass on my property, or I’ll just leave the “ugly” HOA tree trunk half on my property and they can’t fine me for it…..Win/Win for SWE and she said they’d get rid of the stump, time will tell….LOL…good politics with HOAs is out think ’em…that’s not hard at all BTW….

  3. 753

    RE: Ardell DellaLoggia @ 742
    My retirement office took over my dining room

    It has 4 big windows and a soothing view….my 3rd bedroom is now a Man Cave with video, disco lights and ceiling music with a large wood mirror and bar table….a dance floor too….its a 1500 SF living area and fun to wander around in.

    I can’t imagine living in a small 200-400 SF tiny camp trailer sized space all my life…it sounds like a depressing prison cell to me too.

  4. 754
    Erik says:

    RE: wreckingbull @ 724
    There is an eviction moratorium in Seattle right now you fool. Just quit pretending to be in the know.

  5. 755
    David says:

    By don @ 737:

    RE: David @ 732

    What data do you have that supports theses assertions?
    Links?

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/coronavirus-china-trail-leading-back-to-wuhan-labs/

  6. 756
    Eastsider says:

    By Blurtman @ 741:

    RE: Eastsider @ 733 – Flattening the curve means not overwhelming hospitals.

    Yes, flattening the curve reduces hospitalization demands. But how far should we go to “flatten the curve”? The health authorities and politicians are using it as an excuse to frighten the populace into submission and destroying the national economy.

    Here are the April 1st projections from the UW model, the one that Gates and WH are using. Mind you, April 1st is only 3 days ago.

    https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections
    Projections for April 3rd
    NY State –
    All beds needed – 56,183
    ICU beds needed – 10,839

    https://covidtracking.com/data#state-NY
    Actual numbers on April 3rd
    NY State –
    Hospitalized – 14,810
    In ICU – 3,731

    The projection numbers are rubbish. It is off by 3x-4x in mere 2 days. And we are basing our policy on this garbage?

    Imperial College’s 500k deaths prompted UK to go into lockdown. They have since retracted and reduced it to a mere 20k deaths. (UK’s annual flu deaths is 17k and as high as 28k.) Fauci was totally blindsided by Covid-19 and he is now setting us up for a Great Depression. Seriously?

  7. 757
    Eastsider says:

    By Blurtman @ 741:

    Flattening the curve means not overwhelming hospitals.

    (My comment was held in moderation due to links. So here is one without links.)

    Yes, flattening the curve reduces hospitalization demands. But how far should we go to “flatten the curve”? The health authorities and politicians are using it as an excuse to frighten the populace into submission and destroying the national economy.

    Here are the April 1st projections from the UW model, the one that Gates and WH are using. Mind you, April 1st is only 3 days ago.

    Healthdata org projections for April 3rd
    NY State –
    All beds needed – 56,183
    ICU beds needed – 10,839

    COVID Tracking Project actual numbers on April 3rd
    NY State –
    Hospitalized – 14,810
    In ICU – 3,731

    The projection numbers are rubbish. It is off by 3x-4x in mere 2 days. And we are basing our policy on this garbage?

    Imperial College’s 500k deaths prompted UK to go into lockdown. They have since retracted and reduced it to a mere 20k deaths. (UK’s annual flu deaths is 17k and as high as 28k.) Fauci was totally blindsided by Covid-19 and he is now setting us up for a Great Depression. Seriously?

  8. 758
    Intsokzen says:

    The progressive left will learn all the wrong lessons from this pandemic. They will give the CDC even more power and centralization even though it was exactly this power and centralization that handicapped us for 6 weeks. Every hospital and health care system in the country was looking to the CDC’s recommendations, which turned out to be utter crap. There was absolutely no reason why all testing across the country had to be first sent to the CDC. And because the CDC’s capacity for testing was so small and slow, they had to make a selection criteria for testing that was extremely narrow and arbitrary, not at all based on the facts on the ground. Secondly, once Italy’s large outbreak became clear, they should have immediately thought about why countries like Japan and Taiwan had much smaller outbreaks despite also not locking down their economies. Maybe because those two countries widely started wearing masks? Instead they recommended China’s full lockdown model first which had already empirically cratered China’s economy in February. Only now are they recommending the far cheaper solution of universal mask wearing.

    The movie Contagion portrays the CDC like jet-setting geniuses working around the clock to save the world. The reality unfortunately puts the CDC somewhere between the DMV that is closed on weekends and a VA Hospital. There needs to be some massive reckoning for the CDC, but it will never come because of our politics.

  9. 759
    Erik says:

    I had a really good idea for economic stimulus. It’s called NINJA(no income, no job, no assets) loans. Combine that with negative amortization and super low loan interest. What could possibly go wrong?

    Listen Trump, make it rain one last time for me and I’ll vote for you. $1200 is a f##ing insult mnuchin! It feels like you stole my car and left me the air freshener. Put the money in the hands of the American people!

  10. 760
    David says:

    RE: Erik @ 749 – HAAAAA!

    I like Trump, but, yep, $1,200 one-time payments are like the sound of a cow pooping on hot concrete in a desert. It doesn’t create any growth.

    Course, I’m watching Trump do a presser right now in great detail.

    Meanwhile, Joe Biden is getting smelling salts to eat a bowl of cereal.

  11. 761
    Al says:

    RE: Ardell DellaLoggia @ 721

    Exactly, if she is going to get hit for breaking the lease, why not just stay there? Thankfully I can still pay rent and have savings. But if this situation gets worse and there aren’t any jobs or relief, I will be staying in the rented house until the sheriff drags me out. I can’t believe I’m even thinking like this now, what has it come down to?

  12. 762
    David says:

    RE: Al @ 752 – Might have to worry about references for the next landlord after this is all over.

  13. 763

    RE: wreckingbull @ 724 – and Al 752
    The issue is her lease isn’t up until November. Her income dead stopped. Not sure exactly what she does but she’s a 1099 owns her own business. If she stays they will legitimately, eventually sue her for back rent even though they can’t evict her for Lord knows how long (as Erik said). But those people will still owe the rent and renters can’t tack it on the end like owners can to their mortgage.

    If she leaves they charge 30 days for the 30 day notice period plus 2 months more as the break lease penalty.

    We’re thinking she’ll have an easier time leaving and fighting the penalty for leaving at some point than staying and fighting the rent if she lived there during the time. Nothing’s been said about penalties for breaking the lease, but if people have to leave because no income…I’m thinking somehow she’ll at least get a break on that. Maybe Small Claims Court with a COVID defense. It’s worth a shot.

  14. 764

    RE: Eastsider @ 747

    I just heard this morning that deaths in NYC are averaging one every 5 minutes. No one is going to say that is OK to let it run its course

    King County had 14 since yesterday so more than one every two hours.

    What’s your plan if not Stay Home?

  15. 765
    Erik says:

    RE: David @ 751
    Government shut us down, government needs to make us whole.

  16. 766
    David says:

    RE: Ardell DellaLoggia @ 755 – They aren’t talking about eliminating the curve – just flattening it over along period of time.

    My plan is to catch it and get it over with. If it isn’t the flu, then does it ever go away?

    I guarantee you people are only going to tolerate ‘stay at home’ til they begin to starve.

  17. 767
    Blurtman says:

    RE: Eastsider @ 747 – So do you think the problems in NYC are due to a failure to route patients to hospitals with available ICU space?

  18. 768
    Blurtman says:

    RE: Eastsider @ 747 – So do you think the problems in NYC are due to a failure to route patients to hospitals with available ICU space?

  19. 769

    RE: David @ 757

    As to when it goes away, it’s like AIDs. I hate to have this conversation with you, so try to keep it clean. :)

    In fact Fauci was the key AIDs scientist.

    Remember when people were dropping like flies from AIDs? Remember in the beginning when people didn’t know how you catch AIDs? I remember not being able to sell a listing because there were books about AIDs lying around. I finally had to tell the sellers to change their nightly reading material. Their son in San Francisco had AIDs. No one in the house had AIDs. But people wouldn’t buy the house after seeing the reading material and some mail about it. Long time ago so I don’t remember what they kept leaving about.

    Who dies from AIDs now? It’s kind of like that and Fauci is the right lead guy to figure it out.

    The initial Stay Home is about giving the hospitals and health care workers a wide berth. I had someone call me yesterday who lives down in South King and they are flooded with patients. She was writing a holographic will because she was sure both she and her husband would die like tomorrow. I corrected some of the things she was doing and told her to do a better job of it ASAP. But she had enough in place by yesterday so she could sleep at night.

    King County isn’t flattening yet and much of it had early protocols before the Governor’s Order. I wish I could still see Kirkland as a Stand Alone as Kirkland should be flattening by now since we had so many of the first deaths.

    If anyone can find City breakdowns, can you post a link for Kirkland?

  20. 770
    Eastsider says:

    RE: Ardell DellaLoggia @ 755 – NYC situation is certainly dire. That said, the current projected total Covid-19 deaths for the country is 93k according to the UW model. In comparison, the severe flu season in 2017/18 had about 80k fatalities.

    “What’s your plan if not Stay Home? “- People die of flu every year. My plan is to wear mask, gloves, and practice good hygiene, and get on with my life! If I am unlucky to catch the coronavirus, I’ll ask my doctor for the anti-malaria drug prescription immediately. By the time a ventilator is needed, nothing can save you.

  21. 771
    justsomedude12 says:

    By Ardell DellaLoggia @ 755:

    RE: Eastsider @ 747

    I just heard this morning that deaths in NYC are averaging one every 5 minutes. No one is going to say that is OK to let it run its course

    King County had 14 since yesterday so more than one every two hours.

    What’s your plan if not Stay Home?

    It’s going to run it’s course no matter what. We have no say in that. The best we can do is not overload the healthcare system all at once, which we are doing successfully so-far. The deaths that have occurred to this point are not the result of an overloaded healthcare system. Covid-19 is here to stay. In about another month we will have flattened the curve as much as is possible(thus not overloading the healthcare system all at once). After that, there is no further benefit to social distancing unless we literally do it forever. And even then there would only be a marginal benefit.

  22. 772
    Eastsider says:

    RE: Blurtman @ 758 – In contrast to Tokyo, NYC is experiencing widespread contagion (like Italy?) perhaps because they didn’t take Covid-19 seriously and practice social distancing early on.

  23. 773

    RE: justsomedude12 @ 762

    I think full stay at home a month from now BUT really. Social Distancing stops in a month?

    I don’t think so.

  24. 774
    wreckingbull says:

    RE: Erik @ 745 – It’s temporary you dolt.. You really think it will remain for years until we are back to full employment? For your sake I hope not.

  25. 775

    RE: Eastsider @ 761

    I flip flop and was at your position most of this as to the high year flu deaths being the COVID-19 projection. BUT that projection is based on best case scenario stay at home. The “let it run its course” projection is hyperbolized as MILLIONS!!! or so I’ve heard on MSNBC. :)

    When I hear one death every 5 minutes, I want to live in Monowi, Nebraska! Well not quite, but densely populated sounds like a pretty bad deal right now.

  26. 776
    David says:

    RE: Ardell DellaLoggia @ 760 – Wal-Mart is starting to only allow 20% of capacity in the store. THAT is food rationing.

    Catching AIDS was always a lifestyle choice. A great documentary is ‘Gay Sex in the 70s’ : https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0455953/

    A heterosexual had virtually zero chance of catching it but the media pounded (no pun intended) on it being an ‘equal opportunity’ disease. It was not.

    If they drag this out forever, people’s lives are going to be shortened.

    Burglary is already up 75% in NYC.

    They should instruct older people to shelter in place because life has to go on.

  27. 777
    justsomedude12 says:

    By Ardell DellaLoggia @ 764:

    RE: justsomedude12 @ 762

    I think full stay at home a month from now BUT really. Social Distancing stops in a month?

    I don’t think so.

    Who knows how long the politicians will mandate social distancing. They will always er on the side of caution so people can’t claim they placed the economy over people’s lives. But in reality, it’s as I’ve stated, covid 19 is here forever. We can’t social distance ourselves away from covid 19 forever. I have family members in at risk categories, just like you. Are we going to social distance forever? Of course not. The stopping point is when it no longer serves a purpose. At risk people are always going to be at risk. The stopping point is when the health care system is no longer at realistic risk of being overloaded.

  28. 778

    RE: David @ 767

    They tried using HIV/AIDS in the 2016 Election, but it didn’t work.

    “The battle for the presidential nominations of the two parties is riveting, but beyond the personalities of the candidates, we as HIV advocates need to focus on the implications the 2016 elections have on the domestic and global response to HIV/AIDS.”

    Never underestimated what Democrats will use in a Presidential Election Year. But still. A death every 5 minutes? That’s pretty darned freaky! Cases you can argue. Deaths? No. But when the large majority of deaths are age is 80+ or people who only had 6 months to live without it, well, every 5 minutes or not…go back to work.

    No people over 80 or really sick people want the world to fall apart to save them. Ask them. Kim said he’d jump off a cliff first.

  29. 779

    RE: justsomedude12 @ 768

    I’m willing to stop hugging people. My cousins in Italy having a harder time with that.

    We should never go back to handshaking. Just wave, salute or something.

    We should never go back to hugging clients. OK. Maybe I’m the only one who does that.

    More personal space, why not forever?

    Define “social distancing? You don’t have to be on my neck in the grocery line. Banks have been Social Distancing for years. No one is within 6 feet of the customer at the teller. Drug stores have Social Distancing so you can’t see and hear what medicines they are asking about and buying. Even at the non Pharmacy cashier, most have social distancing for Privacy Reasons.

    We can implement things like that more than we have.

    There ALWAYS should have been a max customers in a store like there is in a movie theater and maybe fewer than past is right anyway.

    In other words. yes, Social Distancing for a year or even more maybe. Social Distancing will be re-defined maybe. But 6 feet should be the goal unless not possible. Not sure what you do about big events, ComicCon and such. But I understand people who attend those assume they will get sick. Not die. But sick.

  30. 780
    Eastsider says:

    RE: Ardell DellaLoggia @ 766 – MSNBC is not a news organization. When did they start covering Covid-19? The erroneous 2.2 million deaths projection came from Imperial College. The current UW projection is 93k. I guess MSNBC thinks 2.2m is a bigger news story for its viewers.

    Letting the virus runs its course is a legitimate approach. Many countries are doing it. The UK was doing it until the Imperial College doomsday projection came out. (An Oxford paper did challenge the erroneous projection.)

    Take the United Kingdom’s drastic COVID-19 policy U-turn. A few weeks ago, the U.K. had almost no social-isolation measures in place, and according to some reports, the government planned to let the virus run its course through the population, with the exception of the elderly, who were to be kept indoors. The idea was to let enough people get sick and recover from the mild version of the disease, to create “herd immunity.”

    Things changed swiftly after an epidemiological model from Imperial College London projected that without drastic interventions, more than half a million Britons would die from COVID-19. The report also projected more than 2 million deaths in the United States, again barring interventions. The stark numbers prompted British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, who himself has tested positive for COVID-19, to change course, shutting down public life and ordering the population to stay at home.

    A few days after the U.K. changed its policies, Neil Ferguson, the scientist who led the Imperial College team, testified before Parliament that he expected deaths in the U.K. to top out at about 20,000. The drastically lower number caused shock waves: One former New York Times reporter described it as “a remarkable turn,” and the British tabloid the Daily Mail ran a story about how the scientist had a “patchy” record in modeling. The conservative site The Federalist even declared, “The Scientist Whose Doomsday Pandemic Model Predicted Armageddon Just Walked Back the Apocalyptic Predictions.”

    https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/04/coronavirus-models-arent-supposed-be-right/609271/

    You seem to get frightened easily by scary numbers. Who wouldn’t? What if I tell you 1 person die in the US every 10 seconds? Now do you move to Canada or Greenland? Their people don’t die every 10 seconds!

    If we do what Chinese did and lock everyone up at home, we will have zero Covid-19 death! Wow, what a genius! Fauci is that genius.

  31. 781
    justsomedude12 says:

    RE: Ardell DellaLoggia @ 770 – I’m using “social distancing” as a term for shutting everything down. I could have been more clear on that. There is no purpose for shutting everything down beyond the next month, since we will have already done what we can(flattened the curve).

    For instance, my family members who are in an at-risk categories will still be at-risk whether we shut all businesses down for the next month, or the next 1,000 months.

  32. 782
    Jeff says:

    By Erik @ 756:

    RE: David @ 751
    Government shut us down, government needs to make us whole.

    . . . What MAGA libertarians are thinking when they are trying figure out how well shrinking the administrative state till it’s “small enough to drown in a bathtub”, as manly tea partiers were once fond of saying. Yeah, governments a little more efficient if you cut the pandemic response team but . . .

  33. 783
    David says:

    RE: Ardell DellaLoggia @ 769 – There are at least 207,000 deaths every month in the USA in normal times.

  34. 784

    RE: justsomedude12 @ 772

    Stay Home or Lockdown is the term for that. Social Distance is the 6 foot thing. :)

  35. 785

    RE: Eastsider @ 771

    If people would social distance and not create problems they wouldn’t have to be treated like babies being sent to sit in the corner.

    If we put the Davids in Lockdown I think we’re allowed to go to work. :)

    Actually I’m staging a house. I’m fairly essential.

  36. 786
    Jeff says:

    By David @ 774:

    RE: Ardell DellaLoggia @ 769 – There are at least 207,000 deaths every month in the USA in normal times.

    At least one death for every dollar lost in your stock portfolio David. Think if we reacted the way we did to 3000 lives lost on 911, that the way we’re reacting to this crisis isn’t really all that strange.

  37. 787
    Eastsider says:

    RE: Ardell DellaLoggia @ 776 – Every breadwinner is essential.

  38. 788
    David says:

    LOL. Everyone thinks they can shut down the USA for a year. LOL

    Everything I own is paid for and I have enough cash to last for years.

    Most of you will disappear off this website if that year happens. But you can feel good about groupthink!

  39. 789
    Erik says:

    RE: Jeff @ 773
    I have no idea what you are talking about.

    I was talking about how to allocate all the bailout money the feds are printing for stimulus. They can put the money where they want to create stimulus. I’m saying to put it in the hands of the citizens. Give us a chance to build wealth so we can get out of this rat race sooner.

    People are suffering financially from this pandemic and it will probably get worse. Give the money back to the people so we can at least obtain financial freedom. The world can do what it wants, I just want to be comfortable and enjoying myself while it all happens.

  40. 790
    Nobody says:

    RE: Eastsider @ 761 – The UW projection of 93k deaths assumes full social distancing including stay-at-home orders and closure of nonessential businesses through May. Just look at the top of their page. The death count would be higher without these measures.

    Reference: https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

  41. 791
    Jeff says:

    RE: Erik @ 780

    What money? It doesn’t exist till they print it. Surely you know this as a libertarian.

    I understand as a leveraged real estate asset owner, that you might think hyper inflation is in your best interest, but trust me, even Bezos’ fortune might not buy him a loaf of bread by the time he figures out how to start his moon colony.

    For ordinary folk like yourself, a real recession that we don’t dig ourselves out of with QE to infinity and beyond is the only real cure. Very similar to the cure to this virus in fact. The fever sucks but it’s what cures the disease.

  42. 792
    wreckingbull says:

    By Erik @ 780:

    I have no idea what you are talking about.

    Not surprising

    I was talking about how to allocate all the bailout money the feds are printing for stimulus. They can put the money where they want to create stimulus. I’m saying to put it in the hands of the citizens. Give us a chance to build wealth so we can get out of this rat race sooner.

    So in other words, let Boeing collapse? Because it absolutely will if not bailed out. Are you sure your condo empire will support you? I think you might want to rethink that.

  43. 793
    Eastsider says:

    Here is more data why you should not be alarmed about COVID-19 if you do not have underlying medical conditions*. As the numbers show below, 97.9% of the deceased have underlying conditions. Among the deceased, nursing homes account for 1/4 of the total.

    There are only 39 deaths* out of 60k confirmed cases without underlying conditions. This is certainly tragic but the number is not alarming when compared to other deaths. The total number of infections is certainly much higher than 60k by orders of magnitude. I estimate your chances of dying of COVID-19 without underlying conditions to be around 0.01%, or 1 in 10,000. But if the anti-malaria drug treatment/prophylaxis works, the number will certainly be significantly lower.

    The fearmongering has got to stop now before we destroy this great country.

    NYC COVID-19 Deaths
    Daily Data Summary April 3, 2020 at 4:30 PM

    Percentage of COVID-19 Deaths With Underlying Conditions
    Age Group
    0 to 17 – 100%
    18 to 44 – 90.4%
    45 to 64 – 95.6%
    65 to 74 – 99.7%
    75 and over – 99.4%

    Sex
    Female – 99%
    Male – 97.2%

    Total – 97.9%

    Total Number of COVID-19 Deaths
    Age Group
    0 to 17 – 1
    18 to 44 – 110
    45 to 64 – 442
    65 to 74 – 461
    75 and over – 853

    Sex
    Female – 706
    Male – 1159

    Total – 1867

    *Underlying illnesses include Diabetes, Lung Disease, Cancer, Immunodeficiency, Heart Disease, Hypertension, Asthma, Kidney Disease, and GI/Liver Disease.

  44. 794

    Its Not On the News at All, I Checked….But Killer Flu in Washington State is Decreasing Now:

    https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/5100/420-100-FluUpdate.pdf

    First to get it, the first to get over it too, apparently….this data shows we’re most likely past the curve growth apex now in Washington State, NYC is a couple three weeks behind us now…

  45. 795

    RE: softwarengineer @ 784
    Interesting CDC Data With All Strains Mixed Together and How Do They Audit the Killer Flu Strain Alone?

    The Tooth Fairy? LOL

    The Trump Killer Flu Stimulus Money to businesses’ loans is forgivable if the money goes to rehire workers…is the loan forgiveness based on just the Killer Flu strain proven with medical data on the application? How many businesses qualify then? 10%? Lord only knows from this recent “mixed strain” CDC data in Washington State. We may eat cake on stimulus business loans’ forgiveness?

    Other opinions out there, I have no idea and time will tell.

  46. 796

    Fill Your Mugs With MJB; and Bring Your Skeptical Minds Focused on the brief Brief:

    “…Things are hard right now. Let’s make something simple and easy and very pleasing, and then also enjoy the leftovers, too. Read more…”

    SWE’s Take: Boiled whole fresh chicken with potatoes and carrots…sounds cheap and tasty too…come on you GEN-Zs, learn to cook.

    “…Check out our interactive list, sorted by neighborhood, of Seattle restaurants offering takeout and/or delivery options due to the recent ban on dining in because of the novel coronavirus pandemic. Read more…”

    SWE’s Take: Instead of the like $5-7 family meal for six above, you get your food delivered from restaurants for about ten times the cost of making it yourself…LOL

    “…What you need to do to get your government stimulus check; update for Social Security beneficiaries…”

    SWE’s Take: If you filed for income tax recently with your Social Security, 401K and pension 1099s, you need do nothing…the check(s) will be electronically deposited ASAP into your checking account # supplied fro the IRS.

    Good News: The stimulus checks come even if you worked per capita at up to $75K/Yr…what a windfall and what a difference from the Obama 2009 stimulus checks all going to the globalist banksters instead of 94% of the deplorable American citizen tax payers….LOL…I’m piling mine in with most of my retirement income and my “current” retirement savings rate is off the Richtor Scale, far higher savings rate than when I worked [it was that $10/day lunch, gas/maintenance on my car and clothing expenses working]…BTW, check it out, a fixed income net pay at like $75K retired compares to about the same as net pay at $120K/yr gross pay working/paying into all your retirements and such. Do the numbers like SWE did.

  47. 797
    Eastsider says:

    Further proof that there is nothing we can do to stop COVID-19 without a vaccine. The reemergence of the virus in China, Singapore, and South Korea shows the futility of our lockdown policy. Fauci is a fraud when he suggests that if we stick with his draconian measures the disease can be defeated and the fatality will reach zero . Why is the press not calling him out and instead treating him like our savior? We the people are dumb!

    South Korea’s return to normal interrupted by uptick in coronavirus cases
    With many parts of the world wondering what a slow return to normal life will look like, South Korea’s situation offers a warning: The curve doesn’t necessarily stay flat.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/south-korea-s-return-normal-interrupted-uptick-coronavirus-cases-n1176021

    Ki said that South Korea is already planning ahead, brainstorming ways the country can practice “everyday distancing” that would introduce more sustainable lifestyle changes rather than temporary campaigns.

    “We can’t just delay the entire educational system for a year,” Ki said.

    “Hoping that a vaccine will be developed soon is too optimistic, ” Ki said. “We have to acknowledge the reality of the situation we are in and make a plan.”

  48. 798

    Restaurants and Small Business Loan Forgiveness Under Trump’s Stimulus Plan for Employers Hiring Back Killer Flu Layoff Victims Delayed Apparently

    From Citi Bank:

    “…Citi is working with the Small Business Administration to provide relief to Small Business owners. While we are working as quickly as we can, we are not yet able to accept applications for the Paycheck Protection Program. Our Branch and Call Center Representatives do not have any additional information at this time. Find the latest information here…”

    Stimulus Checks going to legal citizens should arrive in a couple three weeks….

    I’ll keep you informed, if there are any changes…

  49. 799

    RE: Eastsider @ 783
    Yes Eastsider

    Based on killer flu strain omission from Wash St recent CDC report of flu impacts….no one is showing their “killer flu” poker table cards and someone called….the winner is the one who bluffed the others at the table with a pair of twos?

    I imagine asylum approval paperwork for immigration is similarly foggy paperwork with ambiguous evidence not fully explained yet either, with low acceptance rates….in that case, IMO, Thank God.

  50. 800
    Erik says:

    RE: Jeff @ 781
    I don’t define myself with any political group on purpose. If something I say has things in common what a political group thinks, that’s coincidental. I don’t care about politics, I care about my my friends and family. I have been called liberal, republican, and libertarian. I’m not associated with a political party.

    Give some of the money to the people so I can create a passive income stream. Let natural selection run its course. I deserve to live on the water and own a yacht. Free up the money supply so I can make that happen!

  51. 801
    Erik says:

    RE: wreckingbull @ 782
    Everyone keeps calling me the condo kid, but I’ve grown. I own 2 houses now and I’m older. Not sure I can still accurately be called condo kid although I don’t mind. I like renting condos because they attract the kind of tenants I want.

    Government has to bailout major exporters like Boeing because the directly effects GDP. I’m saying bailout major exporters and give us the change.

  52. 802
    Erik says:

    RE: wreckingbull @ 782
    Boeing doesn’t appear to be taking the bailout money. Do you know something I don’t? Please provide a link to your source. Or is this just more incorrect information.

  53. 803
    Blurtman says:

    RE: Eastsider @ 783 – Fauci did say a while back that he would rather overreact than underreact. His primary concern is not the economy.

    40% of Americans are obese and obesity is associated with diabetes and hypertension, mortality associated preconditions.

    You are asked to wear a mask to not infect others.

    Our cities and hospitals were not prepared for the pandemic and now risk being overwhelmed. We are taking extreme measures to make up for this lack of planning.

    People must believe leaders are competent or else why are they there? Leaders will do all things possible to continue the charade, subconsciously and consciously.

    No one wants to see Grannie and Grandpa die unnecessarily, and the horse is already out of the barn, hence stay at home and shutting down the economy.

    Grannie and Grandpa’s immune systems are shyte, and so asking them to isolate means perpetual isolation, as the rest of the herd becomes carriers. Hence, shutting of the herd from this possibility.

  54. 804
    Jeff says:

    RE: Erik @ 790

    That’s funny, I’m looking to make my “yacht money” during this down cycle too. The vessels I’m currently keeping tabs on are 60-80′ sailing catamarans based in the Med. What kind of yachts are you keeping an eye on to motivate yourself?

    Care to share your investment strategy and timeline to achieve the goal? My current largest positions are holding generous quantities of short options on various things, but especially QQQ and USO at the moment. Of course the equities I’m shorting and the strategies I’m using to short them are changing days to day, but I expect to be generally shorting for the next several months. I’ve financed these naked option purchases by successfully short selling on the way down so far.

    I’m hoping these financial bets make me my “yacht money” within 6 months to a year, but if they don’t I’m doing a pretty good job of covering the cost of these bets going forward, so no worries. How long and how risk free is your “yacht money” strategy Erik?

  55. 805
    Al says:

    I think the slow reaction of our government to doing lock downs and to recommend masks is a strategic move. They wanted the most amount of people to get the illness so herd immunity could be achieve. Countries that closed up too early will have another big wave to deal with because herd immunity has not been achieve. I think ultimately, they will test everyone for the antibodies, and we will see that 70-80% of the population is positive.
    That, or they are just incompetent.

  56. 806
    Eastsider says:

    Let’s take a crack at the number of infections in WA state since no one is doing it. WA state issued a shutdown order on March 23. Deaths attributed to infections occurred on or before March 23 will likely happen by May 1. The number of projected deaths on May 1 is 833. Using Singapore’s CFR of 0.3%, the number of infections in WA state is 277,666 on March 23.

    WA population is 7.5m. So 1 in 25 of us may have been infected. The number is probably higher in King County. 1 in 10 maybe?

    We will find out the actual numbers when they do the antibody tests. I am sure the number will be in 100s of thousands.

  57. 807
    David says:

    I’m starting a new line of online soups: My first 2 soups available soon on Amazon:

    1) Beyond Bat soup
    2) Impossible Pangolin soup

  58. 808
    don says:

    RE: David @ 797

    Sure don’t forget to turn the fan on…
    or do it outside in a cannibal cauldron.

  59. 809

    RE: Eastsider @ 796

    If everyone stayed inside for the full course run of it, then when everyone came out no one would have it to give to someone else. Is that right?

    Initially they quarantined the firemen and policemen and healthcare workers until they were sure not to have it. I think the bad part of this is the exposed people are going home every night and continuing to infect people.

    Remember, I know a lot about a lot of things. Diseases is not one of them. My questions are not usually on point. :) Don’t argue with me…’splain to me. Your argument seems to work better of NO ONE goes out for two months.

  60. 810
    David says:

    RE: Ardell DellaLoggia @ 799 – They’re saying it will be seasonal. It isn’t going away.

    I have a 10 year Chinese Visa. I can assure you China cannot eliminate wet markets. If you go there, you will quickly understand how prevalent 1B people are in scraping out wildlife to eat. It is everywhere.

    Only banning Chinese from leaving China will work for a LOOOOOONG time – decades.

  61. 811
    Blurtman says:

    RE: David @ 797 – Tender civet in bear bile broth.

  62. 812
    Erik says:

    RE: Jeff @ 794
    Jeff, I think you have the wrong impression of who I am. I started coming on this website when the market got high in 2006/2007. I had recently completed my 4 year engineering undergraduate degree and I saw how people that understood the real estate market we’re making a lot more money than me.

    I made some good moves and got myself on a much better financial situation last crash. Since then I’ve been able to buy and sell real estate very successfully with 25% equity position. My cash flow is negative and I need to buy more and get some additional market appreciation so I can end up owning 10 rentals mortgage free in Seattle. Then I can relax.

    I do not have a real successful history in the stock market. Sometimes I win and sometimes I lose. Real estate I seem to always win big, so I like to stay in real estate. Like I said, I’m a poor person, so I cannot invest millions in stable stocks. I don’t care to invest a few hundred grand and be happy squeaking out 8%.

    I want better for myself. I want to millions in real estate and live off the income it provides. I wasn’t handed large sums of money like Kenmoron.

  63. 813
    uwp says:

    By Eastsider @ 783:

    Here is more data why you should not be alarmed about COVID-19 if you do not have underlying medical conditions*.

    *Underlying illnesses include Diabetes, Lung Disease, Cancer, Immunodeficiency, Heart Disease, Hypertension, Asthma, Kidney Disease, and GI/Liver Disease.

    LOL!
    60% of US adults have at least one of those underlying illnesses.

    I feel better already!

  64. 814
    Eastsider says:

    RE: Ardell DellaLoggia @ 799 – Fauci may not say it publicly today but he did say that the virus will return in the fall a month or two ago. The reemergence of the virus will severely undercut his lockdown measures. So he no longer says so publicly.

    Yes, the virus will return as soon as lockdown is lifted. Social distancing will not work as you can observe in every country practicing social distancing today (Sweden, Japan, Singapore, South Korea, …) It will however slow the transmission so hospitals hopefully will not be overwhelmed.

  65. 815
    David says:

    I’m just back from Ace Hardware. No mask, no gloves.

    My essential purchases:

    1) Cow Manure Compost
    2) Pine Bark Chunks

    Live free or die.

  66. 816
    Eastsider says:

    By uwp @ 803:

    60% of US adults have at least one of those underlying illnesses.

    Age is also a factor here. A 75yo with underlying conditions is far more, probably an order of magnitude, likely to die of COVID-19 compared to a 30yo with similar conditions. If you are in the 70-100 age group, you have an elevated risk of dying of COVID-19, especially if you have underlying conditions. You should consult your doctor about Mr Trump’s recommended prophylaxis (“unproven”). Practice extreme social distancing. You must recognize that the virus is here to stay, despite what others tell you otherwise (They lie!)

    * I must add that I am not a doctor and am not here to provide medical advice. Consult your doctor.

  67. 817
    Erik says:

    RE: Eastsider @ 806
    I believe it is like any other virus. Those with diverse plentiful gut bacteria will fight it off and be fine. Those that do not have a diverse plentiful gut microbiome will be at risk of getting very sick and possibly dying. Same rules apply as any other virus I’m sure.

  68. 818
    Eastsider says:

    RE: Eastsider @ 804 – Fauci admitted that the virus will return in this morning’s interview. Can we agree that we can’t defeat the virus in the next 12 months?

    https://twitter.com/FaceTheNation/status/1246812081925619714

  69. 819
    Eastsider says:

    Here is an update on UW projection vs Actual. The UW model increasingly looks like the Imperial College model, i.e. GARBAGE. Inslee must reevaluate the lockdown policy NOW. Our academic is exaggerating a doomsday scenario to justify the draconian measures. It is harming our state possibly irreversibly!

    UW model projections on April 1st, assuming current “social distancing” approach.

    Healthdata org projections for April 5
    NY State –
    All beds needed – 69,175
    ICU beds needed – 12,346

    COVID Tracking Project data on April 5
    NY State –
    Hospitalized – 16,479
    In ICU – 4,376

    The projections are already off by 3x-4x within a few days. The actuals are not even within the wide projection bands. The projection for NY hospitalizations is so far off that it is even more the total hospitalizations in the US at 41,372 today! This is beyond embarrassing from our state university.

  70. 820
    Jeff says:

    RE: Erik @ 802

    Erik, you didn’t really answer the question I asked, which was what is your plan for “yacht money” and how long will it take? I answered the same question for myself in pretty good and bold sincerity, giving you a pretty good idea of my current positions in the market, and estimating that such trades could lead me to posses a 60-80 foot yacht in the Mediterranean within 6 months to a year. This dream is real for me. Is it real for you? If so would you please share your version?

    As near as I can tell, you may get to you yacht money (late model Bayliner 47) in about 10 to 20 years if you play your cards well. What you think bro?

  71. 821
    ray pepper says:

    Oh Boy! Here we go Again! The Blood on the streets. Property values down down down. Guess its time to start educating the homeowners to take advantage of the Covid Relief and pad their current Cash Reserves, defer making payments, and kick the interest to the back end of the loan. We get to watch these loans now go to 40 years! So sad…thought I wouldnt see something like this again in my lifetime. Get Cash Bubble Readers…… Liquidity is EVERYTHING…..Once again.

  72. 822
    Erik says:

    RE: ray pepper @ 811
    Thanks for the great advice Ray. Can I still do that if all my payments are on time and my renters are paying?

  73. 823
    Mackenzie says:

    By Eastsider @ 809:

    Inslee must reevaluate the lockdown policy NOW.

    I don’t think Inslee really has all that much control over things. Even if Inslee officially ended the lockdown many people are going to continue with voluntary lockdowns. I for one will continue working from home, which works just fine for my company. I started working from home BEFORE Inslee instituted a lockdown and I would continue to do so even if he ended it today (unless I saw evidence the pandemic had ended).

    My family and I used to eat out regularly at restaurants and we wouldn’t go back to that even if Inslee ended the lockdown tomorrow. Look what happened in Florida. The governor was very reluctant to institute a lockdown until it was basically forced on him by his own citizens who were getting spooked.

    I suspect that even Sweden might be forced to implement a lockdown as the deaths keep mounting. The COVID 400 deaths in Sweden indicate there are FAR more than the 6,800 people that tested positive, and the death rate has been rising a lot.

    Yes, the models are all wrong, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t a pandemic and that the lockdown is slowing down the spread.

  74. 824
    Ray Pepper says:

    RE: Erik @ 812

    Email your lender. Tell them your hardship. “Covid” and watch what happens. It goes like this…” Congratulations. Your approved” May, June, July…..

    The Fed never made it so easy. They do NOT want a repeat of 13 years ago. Uncertain they can stop the inevitable. Homeowners MUST stay liquid. Nobody will help them more then themselves. Money will again become VERY tight. This time around there are no late fees and they don’t report late to credit bureaus. Sure looks like that can is getting kicked down the road. In the meantime. Get Liquid.

  75. 825
    Erik says:

    RE: Jeff @ 810
    My plan is to sell a couple of my units in Seattle when prices go up and use that money to pay off 2 units in Seattle creating a cash flow stream. I’ll continue buying more units and selling them when the time is right until I own 10 units without any mortgage. It’s probably gonna take a while, but I have time.

    In the interim, I was waiting to see if Boeing gets under 100 again. If it does, I’ll throw my extra real estate money for the next purchase in there just to speed up my real estate plan. My plan is slow, and the end result will be fantastic.

    Feedback is welcome.

  76. 826
    Eastsider says:

    RE: Mackenzie @ 813 – Yes, Sweden’s fatality will continue to grow exponentially because R0 is simply too high even with social distancing. It also demonstrates the futility of our draconian containment measures. As soon as lockdown is lifted, the virus will return immediately. No way to stop the virus until there is a vaccine, if one even exists! We will not have an economy if we lock down for 3 months. At this rate, our supply chain will be decimated and we will suffer widespread shortages on goods and necessities. Even your company will go broke.

  77. 827
    sfrz says:

    Dr. Jack Rasmus@drjackrasmus
    4/5/20
    #Bailout During Boeing shutdown, it plans and moves more operations to union-free So. Carolina. When it reopens Seattle, only skeleton operations will remain in Seattle, with tens of thousands fewer (higher paid) union jobs.

  78. 828
    Erik says:

    RE: Ray Pepper @ 814
    Brilliant! You helped me get from broke to doing okay. I want to build an income stream after this next cycle. I’m on it! I’ll collect the names of my lenders and call them tomorrow morning so I can collect rent and not pay my mortgages. I have multiple properties with the same lenders, so hopefully that won’t stop me from stocking up on capital.

    Do you think banks will block my HELOCs? Should I be pulling the money out early in case they freeze the money?

  79. 829
    don says:

    RE: Eastsider @ 816

    ” Even your company will go broke.”

    Save some hyperbole for tomorrow, Eastsider, you’re quite spun up today.

  80. 830
    Eastsider says:

    RE: don @ 819 – Please study the Great Depression. The April job loss number will dwarf anything you have ever seen. The drop in GDP too. Come back here end of June if we are still in lockdown. You can then eat your words.

  81. 831
    Mackenzie says:

    By Eastsider @ 816:

    RE: Mackenzie @ 813 – It also demonstrates the futility of our draconian containment measures.

    My point is still that the “draconian” measures will be self-imposed even if the governments don’t force it. Let’s just see how long the Swedish people still keep going to restaurants or movie theaters as the death tolls mount in their country. Even if the Swedish government NEVER declares a lockdown they could find themselves in a voluntary version of it nonetheless.

    Is that rational? Maybe not, but people are fearful creatures and will panic as they’re wont to do… Inslee can end the lockdown tomorrow and Washington’s economy will still remain in coma since many companies will refuse to open back up. Look at Boeing. The state declared Boeing essential and they tried to stay open as long as they could (weeks after Inslee’s lockdown), but their own staff were refusing to come to work as reports of employee infections spread. Many “essential” companies are really struggling to keep staffed up right now.

    I don’t see how a decision by Inslee to end the lockdown tomorrow would magically make it easier to get spooked employees to staff businesses already struggling to keep minimal staffing levels. Should Inslee declare that the police will shoot people who refuse to return to work?

  82. 832
    Jeff says:

    By Erik @ 815:

    RE: Jeff @ 810
    My plan is to sell a couple of my units in Seattle when prices go up and use that money to pay off 2 units in Seattle creating a cash flow stream. I’ll continue buying more units and selling them when the time is right until I own 10 units without any mortgage. It’s probably gonna take a while, but I have time.

    In the interim, I was waiting to see if Boeing gets under 100 again. If it does, I’ll throw my extra real estate money for the next purchase in there just to speed up my real estate plan. My plan is slow, and the end result will be fantastic.

    Feedback is welcome.

    OK, not a bad start, even thought the road will be a slog and slow for you with the route you’ve chosen. You will be a “sweaty renter cash” landlord for at least ten years or more you know?

    As for the Boeing stock idea of yours, there may be a good time in the next 3-6 months to buy BA again. I wouldn’t put a number like $100 on it, but rather wait till the Vix settles mostly bellow 30. In the meantime, short sell Tesla until it is at least half. TSLA is just one of about 20 shorts I’m currently, and successfully moving in and out of. I’m not currently playing any longs, too risky.

    You’ll know when it’s time to buy stocks again when most folks you know who are anything like yourself decide stocks are completely worthless. Whatever the price is for Boeing at that point in time, I might be a buyer, hopefully alone with you too Erik, if you have any cash left!

  83. 833
    ray pepper says:

    RE: Erik @ 818 – Yes…Im assuming your rates on your Helocs are outstanding. Pull the cash for the next 6 months and watch how it plays out. As it sits now your deferring your interest on your federally backed home loans. Nothing wrong with that. adding 6 months of interest on back end…who cares. Saving 6 months of capital is GOLD when we are in uncharted waters..btw talk of 2 years deferring interest is in the cards. they do NOT want these homes back. they want the real estate market to stay intact. the 30 year loans may get deferred to 40 year loans to keep payment down.

  84. 834
    Eastsider says:

    RE: Mackenzie @ 821 – I think you just argued that there is no need for lockdown. You may not want to eat at a restaurant but some will. You may not go to the church but many will. You may choose to skip the next James Bond screening but that’s just you.

  85. 835

    RE: ray pepper @ 811

    Ray!!! I listened to you last time. I have zero debt and lots of cash. :)

  86. 836
    QA Observer says:

    RE: Mackenzie @ 821

    Boeing insider today told me they are going back to work this Wednesday.

    Also, they also said that the money the government is giving them is being routed to their suppliers. If the suppliers go down, then Boeing is dead in the water.

  87. 837
    QA Observer says:

    Liquidity Crisis Alert

    The Fed supported REIC House of Cards is stacked on a high mountain perch, suddenly without warning, a brisk breeze. The day of reckoning for the REIC has come. Only so much the Fed can do for you now.

    This is going to get good for the overleveraged folks. That bag sure is getting heavy!

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/heres-the-hard-truth-about-the-mortgage-markets-that-isnt-being-told-2020-04-02?mod=opinion

  88. 838
    QA Observer says:

    RE: Erik @ 815

    My buy signal for BA is $65. That company is going to be destroyed, but too big to fail.

  89. 839
    Erik says:

    RE: ray pepper @ 823
    Thanks Ray, you’ve helped me a lot. Thank you!!

    If you ever need help, please don’t hesitate to ask. I can haul stuff and do physical work. :)

  90. 840
    justsomedude12 says:

    By Ardell DellaLoggia @ 825:

    RE: ray pepper @ 811

    Ray!!! I listened to you last time. I have zero debt and lots of cash. :)

    Hahahaha. Glinda gloating about her cash pile.

  91. 841
    Erik says:

    RE: ray pepper @ 823
    I got BECU HELOCs as you previously advised. I have zero balance and can pull the max amount on a couple of them. The rate is decided when I pull the money out. I’ll pull the money next month and lock the rate.

  92. 842
    Erik says:

    RE: Ardell DellaLoggia @ 825
    That’s awesome Ardell. Pickup some deals at the bottom with me.

  93. 843
    Erik says:

    RE: QA Observer @ 828
    I usually suck at stocks, so you may be right. I should probably stick to real estate.

  94. 844
    David says:

    “The Ford Motor Company, for example, employed 128,000 people in the spring of 1929 and by August 1931, only 37,000 were still employed there.”

    Trump needs to announce a reopening. Virus be-damned.

  95. 845
    Ron says:

    too many idiots posting to this site now. tim, just burn it to the ground and start something else with some moderation.

  96. 846
    Mackenzie says:

    By Eastsider @ 824:

    RE: Mackenzie @ 821 – I think you just argued that there is no need for lockdown.

    I actually agree that the outcome from this pandemic is going to be on the milder side of the projections, but in no small part due to the lockdowns. I also believe governments will start lifting lockdowns in a gradual process sooner than many expect. Most governments are being careful about not declaring victory too soon and will likely start lifting restrictions with little advance notice (Germany has said this is exactly what they will do).

    That said, the whole ballgame is off if deaths start spiraling again in any region after the lockdown is over (look how China ratchets up lockdowns again any time a new cluster is found). In the end, the ONLY way we get through this is by having MASSIVE testing availability, such that anyone can easily get tested multiple times a week if needed. Massive testing allows us to really pinpoint exactly who is infected and have those individuals quarantined. To this end Eastsider should really be frothing at the mouth that Washington state has being doing a terrible job at testing. We were one of the first states to do significant testing, but once we hit 6,491 people tested on 3/27 we just slid backwards. The numbers just reported for 4/4 showed only 3,457 people tested. Washington state alone likely needs to be testing in the neighbourhood of 50,000 people a day to allow us to comfortably pinpoint the virus spread and do the contact tracing we need to do.

    In the end it is only through massive testing that we get through this (either that or having a vaccine), and it is very discouraging that we can’t seem to get our act together on testing.

  97. 847
    Eastsider says:

    By Mackenzie @ 836:

    In the end it is only through massive testing that we get through this (either that or having a vaccine), and it is very discouraging that we can’t seem to get our act together on testing.

    Testing may or may not work. Please read the news about South Korea I posted in comment 787. South Korea has been aggressive about testing but it is still suffering from outbreaks. By the time you have a few local cases, the number of infections can jump to hundreds and thousands within 2 weeks as happened in Italy and Spain.

  98. 848

    RE: Erik @ 832

    I would never compete with you. I’m not buying in WA State at all.

  99. 849

    RE: justsomedude12 @ 830

    I’m turning 66 in June. I better have something after 50 years of working. My divorce after 20 years in 2004 knocked me for a loop. But Social Security tells me they are going to give me a bonus off my ex’s mega earnings. That was a nice surprise. I have a Bank Pension for my 20 years there from 1972 to 1992 or so.

    Would you rather people at age 66 have nothing? There’s plenty of that. I’ve never taken unemployment or a dime from hand out services of any kind. More people should have themselves backed up. Fewer people would need Bernie. :)

    I grew up poor and 2nd generation American and never needed a Government Program. Hope that continues til the day I die. Social Security when I retire not included. We earned that.

  100. 850
    justsomedude12 says:

    RE: Ardell DellaLoggia @ 839 – Agreed, my snarky comment was unnecessary. I apologize. I do believe you have earned it.

  101. 851
    Blurtman says:

    RE: Eastsider @ 837 – I think it comes down to whether we want to have tens of thousands of primarily seniors with pre-exisiting conditions dying quickly, overwhelming hospitals, or if we want to space out their deaths in a more manageable timeframe, as with the flu. The slowly boiling frog, and all that.

  102. 852
    Nicole says:

    RE: Ardell DellaLoggia @ 839 – You also earned unemployment. It’s not a handout, it’s a transfer payment. Unemployment insurance is a payroll tax item; you only get it back if you’ve paid in. It’s the same as getting a payout from your insurance company after a break-in or fire. It’s just like Social Security. They are both what are called automatic stabilizers because they pull out money from the economy when things are flowing and inject it back into the economy when things slow down.

    Did you ever attend a public school? Perhaps a heavily subsidized community college or state institute of higher learning? You’ve likely benefitted from some sort of government spending whether you thought about it or not.

  103. 853
    Ardell DellaLoggia says:

    RE: Nicole @ 842

    I never attended a Public School. Catholic Schools were free 1960 to 1972. The Bank I worked for paid for me to go to all of the economics and business management classes at Pierce Junior College and The Wharton School of Business. I walked to both after work. I was one of the first female Bank Officers there and the youngest Officer ever. They provided my higher education and taught me how to be a Republican. They also taught me which fork to use first at a business luncheon and how to drink scotch at business functions. They told me to order scotch and soda, but when I picked Mountain Dew for “the soda” they switched me to scotch and water.

    I grew up in a family of 9, but I was raised by nuns and Republican bankers. :)

    The only time I needed unemployment was right after my divorce because we had just moved from East Coast to West Coast for his work and I wasn’t allowed to go home with my children. But 1099 employees have never been eligible for unemployment. The current stimulus that will pay unemployment to 1099 employees is as far as I know unprecedented and I don’t plan to participate. I’ll leave it for others who need it more,

  104. 854
    Eastsider says:

    RE: Blurtman @ 841 – Yes, that is exactly my point. There has been no cost-benefit analysis done by our health authorities on shutting down the economy. We have long accepted that flu fatality is “acceptable” despite the fact that lockdown clearly reduces flu deaths as shown in recent CDC data. I hope recent development in anti-malaria drug treatment (and prevention) will make it “acceptable” to reopen the economy again. I don’t know if we can stop the coronavirus. Nobody knows. Many who tell us that a COVID-19 vaccine will be available are the same people who claimed that HIV vaccine would be available many years ago.

  105. 855
    Blurtman says:

    RE: Eastsider @ 844 – Yes, and you still need a decent immune system to respond to a vaccine, in any event. But beyond the horror of seeing seniors dying quickly, (and their deaths forgotten as are flu deaths if it happens more slowly), overwhelmed hospitals means that other non-COVID-19 related procedures and services are cancelled or put off. Then there is care giver burnout and deaths as well. Spacing things out seems to be more tolerable emotionally, but perhaps practically as well. Except for the cost to the economy, for sure.

    Whenever confronted with these types of crises, it is helpful to ask “What would Kirk do?”

  106. 856
    Eastsider says:

    RE: Blurtman @ 845 – I assume you are unaware that many elective surgeries have been delayed and people with potentially severe illnesses are not being diagnosed/treated today. Many medical workers have been laid off too. I think one can make a good case to get it over with asap with the additional benefit of gaining herd immunity in months rather than years. That was UK’s approach until the Imperial College’s erroneous (fraudulent?) projection forced the government to change course.

    A mounting casualty of coronavirus crisis: Health care jobs
    https://apnews.com/811b2057ad110605fa70a2745e5e0ee4

  107. 857

    The Curves May Likely Be at Their Apex Now and the Enemy Bomb Smoke is Clearing for Killer Flu? Stocks are up again and the Bubbleheads Can Grab their Mugs of MJB With a Sigh Now and Read the brief Brief:

    “… Mental health experts race to help children cope at an isolating time
    This young generation is experiencing its first collective trauma. Getting help to children is particularly important now, experts say: Routines are upended, the news is frightening, and boredom leaves room for troubles such as substance use. But remote mental health support isn’t simple, even at the best of times. Here are resources for young people, along with nine local teens’ perspectives on coping with the outbreak. (Illustration: Gabriel Campanario / The Seattle Times)…”

    SWE’s Take: Keep the Black Label and Legal 21 well hidden, especially if they’re like 14 and up…

    “…Washington state’s curve appears to be flattening, the latest analysis suggests. The number of COVID-19 cases has climbed to 7,984 statewide, including 338 deaths, according to numbers released yesterday. Find today’s live news updates here and track the virus’ spread across the state and world…”

    SWE’s Take: OK, that’s great news if backed up with daily death counts’ data declining, what was the death count last Friday, Saturday and Sunday’s 7984? If its stabilizing or declining then yes, likely apex data proof. Its omissions like this in MSM that make data reliability they reveal much harder to believe.

    “… The national death toll is “without doubt” higher than we know, health officials say. Three out of four U.S. hospitals are dealing with COVID-19, plagued by problems that feed off each other. And the worst is likely yet to come: The U.S. surgeon general says this will be “the hardest and the saddest week of most Americans’ lives.”…”

    SWE’s Take: Some doctors say a large % of nursing homes’ deaths not directly related to killer flu, but they would have died anyway….I imagine mixing unrelated nursing home deaths with actual nursing home killer flu deaths can help them get Trump Stimulus money relief for the Killer Flu alone…..they pump up killer flu death rates to grab more killer flu emergency money? We need an independent probe into this possibility?

    “… Boeing factories will stay shut indefinitely. The company has extended its closures, and starting Wednesday, 30,000 workers won’t get their regular salaries…”

    SWE’s take: Remember pay is always 3 weeks behind, so as a lion’s share of Boeing pay gets butcher axed from the Seattle economy in a couple days and it isn’t revived in like 5 weeks, no pay checks for 2 months….try making like $600-700/week unemployment and add-in like the “one-time” $1200-2400/mo stimulus checks and I don’t see how they can afford the $1400-4000 property tax “due” this month or concurrent rent increases. It was 37 degrees last night, so add in high Spring utilities rattle snakes to the “screaming/scrambling” chicken pen too…Boeing Layoff Victims, be sure to get your family meals delivered from restaurants for like $3-6K/mo at $30-50/household each. LOL

    “…Amazon is donating 8,200 laptops to help Seattle students get through the closure…”

    SWE’s Take: Sounds like laptops to poor families, the richer kids already have tablets and such….who’s gonna pay for their $300 Microsoft Office S/W or the monthly internet access and costly virus S/W and IT technician assistance? The tooth fairy? Laptops are cheap compared to the other cost add-ons, its just like $49 printers, now ya gotta buy $49 ink cartridges too, frequently too.

    “… Washington will return more than 400 ventilators from the U.S. government, so they can go to harder-hit states….”

    SWE’s take: Inslee should be thanking Trump’s federal government for the 400 “federal stock” ventilators the State never stocked up on.

    “… President Donald Trump is touting a malaria drug for COVID-19, but science hasn’t concluded it’s effective or safe. The message comes via Rudy Giuliani, who’s casting himself as Trump’s science adviser…”

    SWE’s Take: More Fake News? The FDA recently approved this malaria drug for doctor use:
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/fda-approves-emergency-use-of-malaria-pill-for-covid-19-treatment-133908197.html

    Good News: The blessed Easter apex in the killer flu curves in American States is likely IMO. Thank God.

  108. 858

    The Gen-Zs and Milenials Play Too Much Video Games During Killer Flu Lock-down Isolation?

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/terrifying-model-show-what-avid-21820221

    The Gamers are evolving into bent back fat monsters with distorted hands and blood shot eyes? Sounds far worse than legal 21 IMO. Worse than killer flu woes?

  109. 859
    kenmorem says:

    RE: Erik @ 802
    what large sums of money was i handed? remind me again since i seem to not recall any such handouts in my life.

  110. 860
    kenmorem says:

    By Erik @ 802:

    RE: Jeff @ 794
    I made some good moves and got myself on a much better financial situation last crash. Since then I’ve been able to buy and sell real estate very successfully with 25% equity position. My cash flow is negative and I need to buy more and get some additional market appreciation so I can end up owning 10 rentals mortgage free in Seattle. Then I can relax.

    ah erik. making a classic newb mistake for REI. “oh, once i have no mortgage, this property will be golden and then considered a good investment”. good luck with that “strategy”.

  111. 861
    N says:

    By Erik @ 818:

    RE: Ray Pepper @ 814
    Brilliant! You helped me get from broke to doing okay. I want to build an income stream after this next cycle. I’m on it! I’ll collect the names of my lenders and call them tomorrow morning so I can collect rent and not pay my mortgages. I have multiple properties with the same lenders, so hopefully that won’t stop me from stocking up on capital.

    Do you think banks will block my HELOCs? Should I be pulling the money out early in case they freeze the money?

    I could be wrong but I believe many lenders are requiring you show proof of hardship to defer your mortgage payments. It’s designed to help people who need the help. Of course many Seattle tenants DO need the help and some may not be paying your rent.

    For HELOCS – it wouldn’t be a surprise if banks freeze them or pull back the available dollars you can pull, that happened on a wide scale last crises.

  112. 862
    Ray Pepper says:

    RE: N @ 851 – This was the Fed Error and it’s getting corrected rather quickly. The first 90 days they required nothing. I’m very certain the next 90 days to 2 years+ will require some form of documentation.

  113. 863
    Erik says:

    RE: Ray Pepper @ 852
    May I ask where you get all this great information from? Is it a public source I can tap into?

  114. 864
    Ardell DellaLoggia says:

    RE: Eastsider @ 844

    Wouldn’t a “cost-benefit anslysis” for murderers equal a firing squad immediately after a guilty verdict? Are you really suggesting a cost benefit analysis be done for loss of human life?

    Do we have legal assisted suicide here? I think people have to go to Portland for that. Until you let old, sick prople do their own cost-benefit analysis of their own death, I don’t think you can propose that as a government function for this virus.

  115. 865
    Blurtman says:

    RE: Ardell DellaLoggia @ 843 – Ardell, were you at all scarred by your experience with nuns? I recall seeing the principal whack a student upside the head with a phone book, after he shrugged off a battering from her hand. A number of nuns were mentally ill bullies and psychopaths, in my experience.

  116. 866
    David says:

    RE: Blurtman @ 855 – When you needlessly purge the urge to have puppies – you get strange behavior.

  117. 867

    RE: Blurtman @ 855

    I was and still am pretty much of a Saint. :) One time the nun gave me a big pinch and then she realized what she had done and she freaked out, not me. She kept saying “Don’t tell your MOTHER!” They were afraid of my Mother. She wasn’t Catholic. :) Apparently a nun (maybe that one) had made my oldest brother’s knuckles bleed from a metal edged ruler once. He was extremely handicapped and eventually died at 28. I don’t know what my mother did back then, but when the nun pinched me the fear on her face was palpable.

    I think my mother scarred the nuns. LOL!

    Yes, there were many incidents not involving me. My favorite was Yvonne DeFelice being hug up on the clock nail by her uniform belt for the rest of the class like Jesus hanging on the cross up there. Armano Pasquini had his ear cut off in the boy’s room. Don’t ever make a nun have to go in the boy’s room. Eddie Polillo got hung out the 2nd floor window by his feet. Sister John used to give the boys boxing gloves when they were bad and she wore them too and boxed them. She always won. We were a school for Italians only founded partially by the immigrant parents who built the stone buildings in exchange for an Italian-American National Charter School and an emphasis on learning English fast and well along with at least one dual language nun and priest so the parents (my grandparens) could communicate about their children

    I liked Catholic School and got along with the nuns well. To this day the boys still complain about being scarred for life, we have a facebook group. :) But they usually picked on the boys more, and they were usually in trouble more often than the girls. High School there were no boys.

    When you grow up in an Italian Catholic neighborhood it’s like being raised in Italy. The parents never complained back then, in fact after the nun hit you they would hit you again for causing the nun to hit you. My Mom was the exception. Though I think she didn’t care if they hit David. She once asked the priest to exorcise him, and she is Jewish.

    It was all quite normal to me. Odd to me was when I went to High School and heard the Roll Call the first day. I thought “Mary Ward” was the oddest, funniest name I ever heard.

    Pretty solid education for an inner-city poor kid. Especially English and Vocabulary. Never would have done as well in Public School back then and there. I would have been in with The Prince of Bel Aire. West Philadelphia Born and Raised…I am.

    My life is starting to flash before my eyes…such is the life of the beat down “elderly” during COVID-19. My crying over eggs story on Quora has over 24,000 views and almost 1,000 Upvotes. Everything is pretty weird all of a sudden. Half the World is contacting me wanting to send me eggs for Kim. Haha! Maybe I should say yes. Erik can sell them in the Black Market.

    https://www.quora.com/Will-the-seniors-only-shopping-hours-keep-the-elderly-safer-during-the-COVID-19-emergency/answer/Ardell-DellaLoggia

    Ray used to tease me that I’d be wheeled around on oxygen in my 80s still selling real estate. But this virus makes me feel like I’ve been put out to pasture.
    .

  118. 868
    Whatsmyname says:

    RE: Ardell DellaLoggia @ 854 – Ardell, I know how you feel. I was taken aback when this kind of talk first surfaced here, but I’ve had a chance to think.

    To summarize, several commentators have mentioned a sort of governmental duty to make that call for the sacrifice of some to save the economy. Greater good, all that. Some have made the case that we can’t wait forever, and that culling a few thousand per month doesn’t really make that much statistical difference. And there’s the whole question of whether some people are really enjoying their life anyway. What price, the economy?

    It seems there is a point made when you think about it. Perhaps the problem is that the solution has been misdirected. For the economy, older people are beneficial. They have savings, and consume generally more than young people, particularly in services. And while this demand drives the need and creation of more jobs, the old generally aren’t out competing for jobs, leaving more opportunity available for others – thus doubling up on the benefits they provide.

    Probably, we should be looking at younger, libertarian types who never have enough money, as are often seen here. For a cohesive society, culling the herd to support the economy should fall on the shoulders of those who honestly believe that the economy is more important than the lives of the society members. It fits with their values and understanding. And as we have seen, some have already accepted government culling as legitimate. Just setting up the department for culling will create jobs instantly. And removing some 30 year old will do a lot more for job openings over the next 30 years than taking out someone who will never work again anyway.

    Socially, the choice is clear, but individual needs support this as well. Look at the pain in those who call 2 weeks or a month forever. Where do you find more bitterness than in the complaints of those who have housing, but who claim they don’t because they don’t own it. Who could own it, but won’t because they always want to pay less and get more than is viable. It breaks the heart to see. Won’t they be better off marching to that exit that they believe gives meaning? And no more suffering an in-terminal 45 days. We could offer a gold star to their moms.

    Just noodling here, but what do you think?

  119. 869
    Eastsider says:

    By Ardell DellaLoggia @ 854:

    Wouldn’t a “cost-benefit anslysis” for murderers equal a firing squad immediately after a guilty verdict? Are you really suggesting a cost benefit analysis be done for loss of human life?

    Do we have legal assisted suicide here? I think people have to go to Portland for that. Until you let old, sick prople do their own cost-benefit analysis of their own death, I don’t think you can propose that as a government function for this virus.

    It is not very nice of you to suggest that I care more about the economy than the human life. You owe me an apology.

    Cost-benefit analysis is what policy makers do everyday. Until last week, the worst weekly unemployment number is 695k during the 1982 recession. Within 2 weeks of the national shutdown, our weekly unemployment shot up to10m! This is just the beginning and you ain’t see nothing yet. The current cohort of college grads are having a tough time finding a job and many will be jobless for years given our experience in the last recession. (Now this will ends with socialism!)

    If the economy is shut down for 3 months, we are certainly going to enter our next Great Depression. Suicide rates doubled during the last GD. It translates into an additional 40k deaths annually. You will also see huge increase in homicides, violent crimes, substance abuse, homelessness etc. You will witness poverty you have never seen in your lifetime.

    That sums up the “cost” of locking down until a vaccine is available (which may or may not exist.)

    Suicide and the Economy
    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/09/suicide-and-the-economy/279961/

  120. 870
    David says:

    China bought 2.2B masks in the USA in January – wiping out the inventory. Mounting evidence that the Wuhan Virus was designed in a Wuhan lab.

    That is an act of war.

    “2.2 billion masks, China bought between January 24 and the end of February,…” https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/04/06/navarro_says_china_tried_to_corner_the_world_market_in_ppe_when_they_knew_the_dangers__didnt_tell_the_rest_of_the_world.html

  121. 871
    Eastsider says:

    UW just updated their projections. As I wrote previously, their model was garbage. It is scary that their projection are driving our policy decisions.

    USA resources needed on peak date –

    Projections on April 1
    All beds needed – 262,092
    ICU beds needed – 39,727
    Invasive ventilators needed – 31,782

    Projections on April 5
    All beds needed – 140,823
    ICU beds needed – 29,210
    Invasive ventilators needed – 24,828

    Their projection of beds needed on April 1 is nearly twice as many as their latest projection on April 5.

    Good news is their failing projection on the number of COVID-19 deaths is now 82k, which is about the same number of fatalities in the 2017/18 flu season. And we did not shut down the country and caused millions of people to lose their jobs in 2017/18 to “save” grannies.

  122. 872
    David says:

    RE: Eastsider @ 861 – 82k died in the USA in 2017/18 of the flu?

  123. 873
    David says:

    RE: Eastsider @ 861 – Oops, sorry, misread it. 82k from Wuhan Virus.

    If that is true then you are about right.

    Makes you wonder if we are going to do this every year the flu rolls around.

    Still, China needs to pay for this if they designed this disease.

  124. 874
    Eastsider says:

    RE: David @ 862 – 80k died in 2017/18 flu season in the US.

    CDC: 80,000 people died of flu last winter in U.S., highest death toll in 40 years
    https://www.statnews.com/2018/09/26/cdc-us-flu-deaths-winter/

  125. 875
    steak and lobsters says:

    Let’s keep shelter in place. I welcome Great Global Depression

  126. 876
    Nicole says:

    RE: Ardell DellaLoggia @ 843 – I’m a Wharton graduate too :)
    still eat with the wrong fork. Younger than you, I want to say I appreciate the inroads your generation made for women in business. I can’t imagine what it was like when you first started! Grazie.

  127. 877

    RE: Whatsmyname @ 858

    1) I have always thought there would be another 2008 in 2020. It was time. 11 year upswing is unprecedented and while some think that means it will flatten, rarely does that happen after a major upswing. You need a fall and then a flat before the next up. So I don’t blame the virus for all of this and in fact blame politics for most of it. I called the stock market peak and fall long before anyone was talking about a virus. If it weren’t the virus it would have been something else, and mostly it would have been politics regardless of the scapegoat, same as 2008.

    2) Blaming the lockdowns/Stay Home for all of it doesn’t make a lot of sense. The stock market peaked on February 12th, 16 days before the first reported U.S. death, before the first lockdown. The stock market was already down from 29,551 (February 12th) to 23,851 (March 9th) by the time we had the first stage of just no excessively large crowds (March 11-13). So telling people they weren’t allowed to work did not crash this market. It was already gone by then without government edicts. No large crowds and work from home went in place when the market was somewhat similar to where it is today.

    Honestly a lot of the more severe declarations that are causing people to not be able to work are the people’s own fault. If everyone had just acted a lot better once we had no large crowds and work from home, we wouldn’t be where we are now. I started my 2 week self quarantine on 2/29. The stock market was still at 27,000 on March 4. I knew to stay home. Most major companies had their people working from home. If a bunch of idiots didn’t act like nothing was going on, they wouldn’t have had to be put out of work. Massive crowds at beaches, parks, trails as if work from home meant woohoo Spring Break! Massive lines at grocery stores, 1,500 at door opening at Costco. I was home quarantining. No crowds was a given at Sports and Entertainment events…and 1,500 people try to get into Costco all at the same time when it opened. Why did they think they could have a crowd bigger than a basketball game?

    The edicts did not cause this problem. The idiots did. Lots of people going to restaurants and lots of people saying “Go out and support your local restaurant”. If you can’t sit next to your co-worker, what makes you think you can go IN a restaurant and eat! Seriously. Why can’t people understand? Do we all need to wear big cones on our heads like the dogs who aren’t allowed to lock themselves? My niece’s 4 year old daughter marched around her house today singing “Keep the BODIES to the SELF, Keep the BODIES to the SELF… and yet I see kids all playing as if they don’t understand if you can’t be IN school together than you can’t be OUT of school together.

    This is not the fault of government. This is the fault of idiots who can’t learn to be more germ sensitive. I think everyone needs a personal hazmat suit. I think we need to bring back stocks for public shaming when someone can’t keep themselves at a distance. People should NOT be taking small children to run around in stores. We still aren’t doing it right, so don’t blame it on government edicts. Lord knows Inslee didn’t want to do that as harshly as he did, nor should he have had to.

    3) Last but not least the gall of some people who say The President should have shut the Country Down all at once on Jan 1 before the Wuhan’s came in, can you even imagine what that would look like? If The President caused everyone to be out of work and the market to fall 30% when there was no visible sign of U.S. virus yet? Someone would probably have shot him, not applauded him.

    What do I think? I think every day they should show the COVID-19 deaths RIGHT NEXT TO the other deaths from flu, heart attack, lung cancer, car accidents. Not JUST COVID-19 deaths. Then people will put it into perspective. If we are going to do a 24 hour death count…let’s put in ALL the deaths so people can see it is or isn’t worse than yesterday’s deaths overall.

    People over 70 die a lot. We should only look closely at deaths under 70. We should still try to treat those 70 and over and try to get them to live, 80%+ do live. But we should not put everyone out of work unless more people 70 and under are dying. The 70+ year olds should Stay Home; Stay Safe. Everyone else should go to work if the COVID-19 deaths sitting next to all other deaths looks in line and if the 70 and under deaths are not dramatic and in fact less than deaths from other causes.

    Much of the way this is being reported is politics. That is why we don’t know what to think. The news is less about the virus than it is about politics and it’s making our heads explode.

    I’ll put a note to Eastsider here. NO. Just no.

  128. 878
    Blurtman says:

    RE: Ardell DellaLoggia @ 857 – Just keep exercising and eating healthy, and all will eventually be well. You are not alone in suffering from lock-down toxicity. This, too, shall pass.

    And yes, if the nuns beat the crap out of you and your parents found out, you’d get more of the same at home.

    BTW, did you know that Italian immigration to the US was severely and purposely curtailed by the Immigration Act of 1924, which lasted to 1965? As was immigration from my mother’s Eastern European country of her parents origin. This, while the Statue of Liberty sat in New Jersey waters. I always laugh when dopey liberals quote the plaque on the statue. The US is historically an Anglo-Teutonic country, hence “Latin” America, which Quebec is part of, whether people realize it or not.

  129. 879
    Eastsider says:

    By Ardell DellaLoggia @ 866:

    I called the stock market peak and fall long before anyone was talking about a virus.

    So telling people they weren’t allowed to work did not crash this market.

    I think everyone needs a personal hazmat suit. I think we need to bring back stocks for public shaming when someone can’t keep themselves at a distance.

    Wow… just wow…

  130. 880
    Ray pepper says:

    RE: Erik @ 853 – There are hundreds of articles but here is 1 link. Even easier to go to your loan services website where you make your payment. Every lender has a rather large Covid Relief

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/personal-finance/banks-help-with-mortgage-payments-coronavirus-2020-4%3famp

  131. 881
    Mackenzie says:

    By Eastsider @ 861:

    Good news is their failing projection on the number of COVID-19 deaths is now 82k, which is about the same number of fatalities in the 2017/18 flu season. And we did not shut down the country and caused millions of people to lose their jobs in 2017/18 to “save” grannies.

    The 82K projections ASSUME that the lockdowns remain in place. The big change in the projections is that the lockdowns are proving more effective in slowing the virus spread than modelers thought they would be. Without the lockdowns the projections would be much higher.

    So no, it’s not the flu…

  132. 882
    Eastsider says:

    RE: Mackenzie @ 870

    No question this coronavirus is far more severe than regular flu.

    The projections have declined over 4 days and I believe will continue to decline in coming weeks. This is not due to lockdowns being more effective than what they believed just 4 days earlier. It is because the anti-malaria drug treatment is proving everyone wrong. It is WORKING for many!

  133. 883

    Fill Your First Aid Home Nursing Cabinet With Fresh Killer Flu Supplies Just In Case, Error On the Side of Caution, Now Grab That Disinfected Mug and Fill It With MJB to Read the brief Brief:

    My Chinese Thermometer Finally Came [after ordering last February], Smashed Container Without Instructions….but Hey It Works, 37 degrees Celsius is 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit…Its Worth $100s on EBay Right Now? SWE smiles with his Pirate Hoard….just in case. Hades, if you’re just home “controllable” sick [your fever is kept below 100 degrees] the last place I’d go now is to an understaffed hospital, “germ infected” and crowded hallways, using possible makeshift “useless” masks, old vacuum cleaner replacement contraptions as makeshift respirators and Hefty Bag Gowns taped together….no wonder the staff is like 20% sick with killer flu too…hacking patients dying next to you with killer flu pneumonia…

    “… ‘We’re all scared’: Friction, frustration plague Valley Medical Center
    COVID-19’s sudden arrival left staff and administrators scrambling, according to emails, internal documents and interviews with more than a dozen Valley Medical Center employees. Confusion sometimes reigned, and now a rift has grown between management and workers who say they’ve been left unprotected. A Valley urgent-care facility in Renton has set up a tent in the parking lot, above, to screen patients with upper respiratory problems. (Photo: Steve Ringman / The Seattle Times)…”

    SWE’s take: They’ll take any doctor or nurse now, even old retired ones limp in with their “home supplied protection gear taped together” makeshift Hazmat Suits and canes/walkers….it must be chaos and horrifying. If you aren’t half dead, they’ll send ya home anyway [with a slight 100 degree fever] from the guard [armed?] tent “new patient” entrance with Army helping out to distribute the stack of forms to fill out to get in….get a home thermometer, fresh aspirin bottles and good cough medicine that works at home, like night time Mucinex [if it isn’t stripped clean from the store shelves by now…]…without the home thermometer you’re screwed.

    “… A new UW analysis sharply lowers coronavirus death projections for Washington state and suggests hospitalizations may have peaked. But the potential for rebound is enormous if we don’t act wisely, the institute’s director says. Find today’s live updates here and track the spread of the virus.
    Washington kids won’t attend classes in person until at least fall, and the state schools chief yesterday urged educators to prepare for the possibility that school buildings could stay closed longer. Here’s what all of this means for students, teachers and families across our region…”

    SWE’s Take: The Killer Flu is Dying Off By May…so no school until the Fall 2020/2021 season….we hold ’em all back a year too? Issue mandatory stay at home rules through June to drive mom and dad crazy?

    “…Grocery workers are dying of coronavirus, unprotected from the public they’re serving. This comes as stores and online grocery services struggle to scale way up, and truckers warn that the supply chain will be in jeopardy if they can’t get better protection…”

    SWE’s take: Wash your hands after handling grocery packages stacked in back to be used later from pantry or refrigerator [time to kill the Killer Food germs on the food]….use your old stock first. Change coats frequently if shopping, cycle them like Hazmat suits…

    “… A Bellingham hospital says it ousted ER doctor Ming Lin because his public warnings about workplace coronavirus concerns were like “yelling fire in a crowded theater.”
    Sound Transit says it’s halted nearly all construction work on its light-rail expansions.
    REI is keeping its 162 stores shut and furloughing many workers without pay. The CEO and board, too, will go without pay…”

    SWE’s take: The Hospital Doctors are going mentally ill now? The last thing ya want to do now is appear terrified in a Hospital as a Doctor…nice “politically correct” name for layoffs now, furloughing, they’re identical synonyms.

    “… A statewide food relief fund is on the way. Here’s how it will work, and how to donate. In the meantime, if you need food and other emergency aid, check our list of resources…”

    SWE’s Take: The closed Seattle area restaurants are turning into old Great Depression Style “Soup Lines” Now…

    “…The coronavirus outbreak has only made life harder for Sergio Patiño, who lives with his seven dogs in an RV and a truck. He’s having trouble taking showers and finding water, and his health is declining. Patiño, 70, is among more than 2,000 people who live in their vehicles in King County. Many of them have largely been left to fend for themselves. (Photo: Amanda Snyder / The Seattle Times) …”

    SWE’s Take: Time to dump the 7 dogs…

    “…The pandemic seemingly did little to cool Seattle’s hot real-estate market in March, according to new data. But you have to look at what’s behind the numbers to see the full story.

    Kent police are searching for two suspects who fled the scene of a deadly stabbing last night. ..”

    SWE’s Take: Look behind the numbers? How about a blunt “sales suck” in March. I see less Kent police on the roads, they’re all out sick too? I imagine police station offices have no adequate 3-6′ “safe distancing” either, how could they…

    Good News for Erik’s Condo Flipping Business: Stocks went up 15-20% the last week…come on man, buy stocks now and grow some Mojo like David…LOL

  134. 884

    RE: Eastsider @ 871
    LOL Eastsider:

    I agree the FDA approved it recently [Mar 30] as a Doctor’s prescription too, so it was rigorously tested and even though all prescription drugs have risks, its better than “coughing Killer Flu pneumonia” sending your corpse to meat freezer stacking until the funerals this Summer…

    And lie, kick and steal….but get a home thermometer for your first aid kit at home now…

  135. 885
    Mackenzie says:

    By Eastsider @ 871:

    RE: Mackenzie @ 870 – It is because the anti-malaria drug treatment is proving everyone wrong. It is WORKING for many!

    I hope this is true, but we’ve heard very little concrete evidence of the efficacy of this treatment. A few doctors have said it works great, but that’s anecdotal. New York has been trying it in lots of patients and says there are some promising signs, but that’s not a ringing endorsement. A new study from China was published with controls that show some benefit, but it wasn’t miraculous either.

  136. 886

    The “Welcome To Walmart Helpers” are dropping Like Flies Now?

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/grocery-workers-are-beginning-to-die-of-coronavirus/ar-BB12eFSF

    Now I see why the WINCO checkout lady wouldn’t simply exchange a $10 dollar bill for nine ones and four quarters, when asked, but “rudely” took the $10 change from me Thursday and applied it to my Debit without clear/polite communication [she tossed my debit receipt in with the food in a rage….they’re nervous wrecks…

    There were two packages of toilet paper left at the Covington Safeway Sunday. Its like finding lost gold Pirate Dublin….

  137. 887

    RE: Mackenzie @ 870

    Not just the local Stay at Home things. I’m supposed to be heading to the airport today to go see my children and grandchildren. :( My son in law has been out of work for almost a month due to the no large venue events. ComicCon was postponed.

    The last straw that made everyone stay home, if people had recognized the spirit of the laws and constrainsts and weren’t looking for excuses and loopholes, might not have been necessary.

  138. 888

    There’s a Cure for Killer Flu Now?

    Tear all the 5G iPhone cell towers down that are emitting immune responses decreases in humans against flu due to radiations?

    https://www.radiation.news/2020-02-26-5g-rollout-in-wuhan-damage-the-innate-cellular-defense-cells-coronavirus.html

    The 5G cell towers went up just prior to the Pandemic too. Coincidence? Its probably a tin foil hat conspiracy theory or its a Stephen King horror story that’s real?

  139. 889

    RE: Ardell DellaLoggia @ 876
    Glenbrook HOA has a Bunch Board Members that are a “Cheaters” on the Stay at Home Law in Wash St…I see them frequently leaving their homes and car pooling with babies present too…I know its low risk, but good gosh we’re spending $2-6T on your stimulus checks too, the least you can do is obey the “stay at home” Killer flu law…

  140. 890
    Eastsider says:

    By Mackenzie @ 874:

    I hope this is true, but we’ve heard very little concrete evidence of the efficacy of this treatment. A few doctors have said it works great, but that’s anecdotal. New York has been trying it in lots of patients and says there are some promising signs, but that’s not a ringing endorsement. A new study from China was published with controls that show some benefit, but it wasn’t miraculous either.

    True, there is no concrete evidence yet. It will be months before it can be proven clinically.

    In the meantime,thousands using the anti-malaria treatment has resulted in statistically significant drop in hospitalization and ICU in NYC. Watch NYC daily stat closely yourself. The fact that NYC hospitalization projection was off by 86% in mere 4 days is not by chance. And not anecdotal.

    The press should be using terms like promising instead of anecdotal/unproven to describe the drug treatment. They are doing the country a disservice and putting patient life in jeopardy but you know the reason why they hate to say anything good about this drug treatment.

  141. 891
    Erik says:

    RE: Ray pepper @ 869
    Right. I guess the genius part is where you go, “Hey, I need to stockpile some cash for the upcoming recession. How about I apply for Covid forbearance on my loans and tell them I already spent the money when they ask me to pay it back so I can negotiate a 40 year loan.”

    That’s smart and thank you for sharing this strategy.

  142. 892
    Eastsider says:

    RE: Eastsider @ 879 – I should add that the anti-malaria drug may work on many people but it is probably nowhere near 100%. There will still be many fatalities. We will learn more about its effectiveness as more data becomes available.

  143. 893
    David says:

    Apparently the Chinese may be burning people alive with the Wuhan Virus:

    https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2020/04/07/report-wuhan-funeral-homes-burned-people-alive/

  144. 894
    don says:

    RE: Eastsider @ 881

    I will be beautiful if it works, it will solve a bargeload of problems.

  145. 895
    Eastsider says:

    RE: don @ 883 – I think the drug treatment works. I just checked the UW projection. On April 1, they projected the peak death in WA to be April 9. Guess what, they have now changed the peak death to March 27, even prior to the now garbage April 1 projection!

    Either they are a bunch of fearmongers or incompetent researchers or the drug treatment actually works! Now about that unproven “anecdotal” drug…

    Wonder why we don’t hear about the good news. I am sure they know about it. Inslee knows about it too. Hmm… perhaps it has something to do prolonging the lockdown. These people are nuts.

  146. 896
    David says:

    RE: Erik @ 749 – Won’t matter, cause we still gonna have to deal with this: https://imgur.com/a/hUF5zet

  147. 897
    Al says:

    A nurse I know that works in the Puget sound said that when people die from the virus, they are putting the cause of death as whatever risk factor they had, not the virus. The death rate is being kept low.

    I’m so glad I didn’t buy these crazy real estate prices and rented instead! Waiting for the crashes to speed up to get some 50% off deals. Let’s go!

  148. 898
    Brianna says:

    This is an interesting development: https://www.thetruthaboutmortgage.com/wells-fargo-will-only-give-you-a-jumbo-loan-if-you-have-250k-in-their-bank/

    If people have a hard time qualifying for a jumbo loan, that will definitely have an impact on local prices- as just about everyone would need a jumbo loan to afford house prices around here!

  149. 899
    kenmorem says:

    By kenmorem @ 666:

    By Eastsider @ 630:

    RE: Juststoppedby @ 624
    There is no proof social distancing works. How do you practice social distancing in Tokyo? Taipei? I am not suggesting that social distancing does not work. But it fails to explain why Tokyo is weathering this pandemic much better than Milan. I think facemasks and good hygiene are far more effective. But that’s my personal opinion.

    give this a week or two and you’ll soon see that japan is not special. they are starting quarantines. cases are starting to rise. their issuing 50M masks to citizens. closing down bars/nightclubs/restricting groups.

    @beano @eastsider
    i guess they weren’t special:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/07/world/asia/japan-coronavirus-emergency.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

  150. 900
    kenmorem says:

    By kenmorem @ 666:

    By Eastsider @ 630:

    RE: Juststoppedby @ 624
    There is no proof social distancing works. How do you practice social distancing in Tokyo? Taipei? I am not suggesting that social distancing does not work. But it fails to explain why Tokyo is weathering this pandemic much better than Milan. I think facemasks and good hygiene are far more effective. But that’s my personal opinion.

    give this a week or two and you’ll soon see that japan is not special. they are starting quarantines. cases are starting to rise. their issuing 50M masks to citizens. closing down bars/nightclubs/restricting groups.

    @beano, @eastsider, @juststoppedby.
    looks like japan isn’t special.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/07/world/asia/japan-coronavirus-emergency.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

  151. 901
    kenmorem says:

    By kenmorem @ 666:

    By Eastsider @ 630:

    RE: Juststoppedby @ 624
    There is no proof social distancing works. How do you practice social distancing in Tokyo? Taipei? I am not suggesting that social distancing does not work. But it fails to explain why Tokyo is weathering this pandemic much better than Milan. I think facemasks and good hygiene are far more effective. But that’s my personal opinion.

    give this a week or two and you’ll soon see that japan is not special. they are starting quarantines. cases are starting to rise. their issuing 50M masks to citizens. closing down bars/nightclubs/restricting groups.

    @beano, @eastsider, @juststoppedby.
    looks like japan isn’t special. today they are implementing lockdowns.

  152. 902
    Eastsider says:

    By kenmorem @ 888:

    looks like japan isn’t special. today they are implementing lockdowns.

    I wrote about it in comment 816. From the data I have seen, R0 is still greater than 1 with social distancing. There is nothing we can do unless we lock down indefinitely. Even then, R0 may still be above 1 (unless we lock people in their homes like the Chinese did.)

  153. 903
    Eastsider says:

    RE: Al @ 886 – There is so much disinformation that I read the exact opposite of what you described.

  154. 904
    Helloagain says:

    Bubble Readers: So I wasn’t buying in 2008-10 when liquidity had dried up. Finally in a decent position now, coincidentally as everything is up in the air. Can anyone advise what kind of credit and % down will be required as the banks stop the flow of easy loans? Will it be cash only buyers or would 50% down suffice? What would you need to get a loan in the coming months? A guess is fine at this point. I realize it changes by the day.

  155. 905
    David says:

    Norway, Denmark, the Czech Republic & Austria are rolling back the lockdowns starting now.

  156. 906
    David says:

    But I’m gonna ask my momma if that offer to slap me into next year is still on the table.

  157. 907
    Ardell DellaLoggia says:

    RE: Brianna @ 887

    Exactly what happened last time. Exactly.

  158. 908
    Blurtman says:

    RE: Brianna @ 887 – Too funny. Banks don’t have the money they’re lending you, but they want you to.

  159. 909

    Big changes https://www.geekwire.com/2020/redfin-lays-off-7-staff-furloughs-hundreds-agents-due-covid-19-impact-housing-demand/

    I just heard it on the news and didn’t read the above Article but it sounded like many things were in place “until September”, but I expect it to be much worse vs better by September.

    Layoffs, firings, salary cuts. Some big news in there.

    Hope this doesn’t impact you too negatively Tim.

  160. 910
    David says:

    News is reporting that Bernie Sanders is having a lot of trouble staying 6 feet away from your wallets.

  161. 911

    RE: Ardell DellaLoggia @ 876
    I watched a good portion our Pompous/Haughty Glenbrook HOA Board Members Cheat on the Stay at Home Law in Washington St, I see them all “frequently” leave separate homes and carpool together [with a baby and special needs “disabled” adult too], huddling in close “small car” groups with no masks….I told them face to face [from 6 feet away] its “low risk”, but its cheating and unlawful…especially spending $2-6T to get the Killer Curve curve lowered sooner. If their arrogance causes 1 “extra” death, even that is way too much now. C’mon man. BTW, they were embarrassed and walked away guilty to their homes….their ‘illegal” “unmasked” close pack immediately switched to 3 foot safe distancing when I piped up too…

    OK, Its Not Rude to Pipe Up About Safe Distancing Now, so Grab your personal space “disinfected” mug, fill it with MJB and pipe up when you see the Killer Flu Isolation Cheaters and read the brief Brief:

    “… Washington has 8,682 confirmed cases of COVID-19, including 394 deaths, according to state health officials. Find today’s live updates here.
    When will it be safe for school to restart? Leaders and health experts are bracing for the possibility that Washington state’s closures may bleed into fall. They’re talking about what would have to happen for the doors to swing open.
    The state has already blown through 60% of the cash it earmarked to fight coronavirus and kick-start the economy. That included ordering 84 million items of medical gear. Lawmakers may need a special session to find more money…”

    SWE’s Take: I see “Dave’s Wuhan China” is”finally” ending its stay at home for its 11,000,000 Killer Flu “epic-center” area residents….their death rate was “cooked book” low balled? That milestone means our stay at home laws should “similarly” end this Fall sometime, time lagged delayed? The kids will need to repeat a grade in public school, they all failed? Lawmakers will find the money, Hades they’ll tack on another “extra” $300 car tab charge and call it the RTF Killer Flu Fund….LOL

    “…Frustration is growing among local small businesses trying to seize a lifeline from the federal bailout. The rescue is off to a rocky start, their experiences show. Here’s a Q&A on relief for businesses, freelancers and more…”

    SWE’s Take: You must prove the “forgivable” stimulus package small business loan only applies to hiring back Killer Flu layoffs….I imagine the paperwork is convoluted and the instructions vague. What bank loan acceptance paperwork isn’t? I see the real bank loans are easier to get now, Trump’s loosening requirements right away. Many will opt out that way? Our personal stimulus checks are in the mail soon anyway…

    “…A Seattle teriyaki-joint owner asked for help with the rent from two landlords. One response left him “so frustrated I couldn’t respond.” The other could hardly have been more different — raising questions about who should bear the burden, columnist Danny Westneat writes…”

    SWE’s Take: If I was the landlord, would I give them a free lease? Hades no, hardly no one would, why would they? Its simple, evict and foreclose and sell it cheap to Erik…LOL

    “… Getting a coronavirus test: We’ve been updating our list of who’s eligible and where to go.
    Keeping your food clean and safe: Here are the latest recommendations on shopping, washing the produce and more.
    Should you cancel your summer vacation plans? Experts are outlining the factors to consider before locking in your reservations…”

    SWE’s take: Personal medical information sharing can also lead to “prolonged” isolation restrictions in quarantined jail like quarters too….maybe its better not to know for sure and get well on your own? The plane trips are very “moderate risk” dangerous now, hundreds of “recent” flight attendants now have Killer Flu….Summer staycations will be the new norm now…getting food/supplies means unpacking “possible contaminated containers” into pantry/fridge and letting set there [let the Killer Flu die off] until after you use the old stock up…wear different “Hazmat” coats on trips to public stores and recycle to new ones to kill off germs from from old used coats [store in closet] sneezing on our coat sleeves now….go back to sneezing on hands and washing them instead? Peel all fruits and vegetables.

    “…Quarantine corner:

    Do your part by drinking wine and eating cheese, Bethany Jean Clement writes. She shares her picks.
    Weekly Wonder: Here are five things to keep your kids happy and busy, from making fizzy lemonade to flying with the bats in ancient caverns.
    Need some eye candy? Critic Moira Macdonald recommends streaming these movies for a hit of glorious costumes….”

    SWE’s take: Guzzle booze and toke legal 21, its essential supplies…LOL…but keep it hidden well from the kiddies.

    “…. What went wrong with City Light’s jaw-dropping bills: Nineteen months after customers began complaining of severe sticker shock, a 52-page report from Seattle’s city auditor details the cascade of problems and how to fix them. ..”

    SWE’s Take: It was 34 degrees this morning and frost on the roofs in Kent…the bills apex death count this Spring is still at peak at last Winter?

    Good News: Erik now has lots of time with his baby son. And Dave is also eyeing the stock “V” shaped price increases after he buys in cheap after the Killer Flu curve apex goes down…

  162. 912

    RE: kenmorem @ 888
    Yes kenmorem

    The whole World Health Organization bows to the Chinese Overlords IMO [our allies, Japan and South Korea included]….pull American money out of W.H.O. now, they boil the water on their death causes and rates to cook the data???? These recent closures in low death rate read like phony fairy tale books now…

    I trust the data from Italy and New York…

  163. 913
    N says:

    Flip house on my block that just went on the market 12 days ago already has 2 price reductions. Lots of stress and pain out there.

    https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/it-will-not-go-forgotten-one-seattle-business-and-its-tale-of-two-landlords-during-the-coronavirus-crisis/

    The difficulty, though, is that the continuum suggested by this tale of two landlords is playing out everywhere at once. Multiply it by tens of thousands and that’s just Seattle. It’s a pressure cooker building up to May 1, when the rent, again, is coming due.

    “It seems like the government is going to have to intervene and help figure this out,” Sauvage said. It’s got three weeks.

  164. 914

    If You Test positive for Killer Flu the Police are Now Notified With Your Name and Address

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tested-positive-coronavirus-health-workers-may-share-your-address-police-n1178696

    I wasn’t wearing a tin foil hat assuming this…the gloves are off now….this is war. Personal Identification sharing with public agencies is like your phone call surveillance to the NSA…..assume its happening.

  165. 915
    David says:

    RE: softwarengineer @ 898 – China bought up all protective equipment in the USA, Canada, Italy, & Brazil. Then kept sending airflights from the effected areas to those countries.

    It was premeditated murder by China.

  166. 916

    RE: N @ 899
    One of the Isolation “Stay at Home” Glenbrook Homes Burned Down a Couple Days Ago

    They didn’t clearly mention the cause, but I can well imagine the high risk safety concern most ignore….electric furnaces installed that have no State Inspection stickers on them. Furnaces and clogged dryer venting cause fires…I say this because the family is screaming for “Fund Me” money and help now….did they even have fire insurance??? Install a fire extinguisher in your furnace room now…and for gosh sakes insure your home for fires…

  167. 917

    RE: David @ 901
    Trump Thinks China Owes the Whole World Money for the Killer Flu

    I agree with him too.

  168. 918
    David says:

    RE: softwarengineer @ 903 – “Beijing threatened that it can impose pharmaceutical export controls after which America will be “plunged into the mighty sea of coronavirus.”” https://nationalinterest.org/feature/china-threatens-throw-america-mighty-sea-coronavirus-130877

    China is using the Wuhan Virus to escalate military action in the South China Sea.

    A Chinese virus lab studying Coronavirus is located in Wuhan – State Run Lab.

    China is committing murder.

  169. 919

    RE: David @ 901
    I Was Notified By Washington DC Yesterday to Fill Out a Emergency Killer Flu Survey on King County

    Its tracking by County now and my results hold up this whole American Government national survey if not mailed in 3 days….its in the mail today Dave and I was honored to perform a “Grass-roots” personal King County inquiry that was mandatory. Its time for proactive action, no more cheating and no more fairy tales. The excuses are over and its war now.

    When they scream for help, it comes, but it may not be exactly what they thought too…

  170. 920

    RE: David @ 904
    This Time the Weapon of Mass Destruction is Real?

    IMO, Trump wouldn’t of been fooled by Iraq either….its a real WMD in my opinion now, I’d at least give it 50% probability now, and your data indicates 80-90% probability. How about this swift sword pierce into the Killer Flu WMD possible/probable cause. We don’t need no globalist mumbo jumbo from Obama/Bush/Clinton’s World Trade Organization Mafia anymore….that’s all fairy book tale now….they all look like liars now.

  171. 921

    With Our High Rent in Seattle, Double the % Rent Delinquency National Rate to like 50-60%

    If you’re a landlord with a paying tenant, count your lucky stars now.

    https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/coronavirus-fallout-onethird-of-americans-missed-rent-payments-in-april-135654889.html

    Erik, Maybe ya should buy up restaurant lease space? If the restaurant loan anomalies prevent acceptance, there may be some hot bargains for Trump thinking business folks to grab up now…..there’s always a yin to a yang…

  172. 922
    wreckingbull says:

    By Erik @ 792:

    RE: wreckingbull @ 782
    Boeing doesn’t appear to be taking the bailout money. Do you know something I don’t? Please provide a link to your source. Or is this just more incorrect information.

    Boeing execs are balking at an equity based bailout because it will hurt their share price. They still need a bailout. Boeing is asking for $60 billion bailout for the aerospace industry (read: their suppliers). I imagine you know by now that Boeing only performs final assembly these days. They think they can have their cake and eat it too.

    Government leaders here are begging them to take the money, as they see the writing on the wall – massive local job loss.

    https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/boeing-urged-by-congressional-delegation-to-take-bailout-money-pay-workers/

    See how this works? Sometimes you have to expend a little mental energy to read between the lines. It’s not hard.

    Boeing is talking a big game now about their possible funding sources, but I foresee further order unwinding due to the 737 MAX and production resumption problems. Moribund airlines now have more opportunities to cancel, and they will.

  173. 923
    Jeff says:

    By David @ 904:

    RE: softwarengineer @ 903 – “Beijing threatened that it can impose pharmaceutical export controls after which America will be “plunged into the mighty sea of coronavirus.”” https://nationalinterest.org/feature/china-threatens-throw-america-mighty-sea-coronavirus-130877

    China is using the Wuhan Virus to escalate military action in the South China Sea.

    A Chinese virus lab studying Coronavirus is located in Wuhan – State Run Lab.

    China is committing murder.

    David, based on your detailed outlines of China’s active biowarfare against us, would you say this could be the early stages of WW3?

  174. 924
    David says:

    RE: Jeff @ 909 – We would lose in a war against China. So no.

    The USA is too balkanized to sustain a world war. The politicians who refused to recognize the China problem wouldn’t die anyway. It would be regular Joe.

    Don’t throw pearls before Democrat swine.

  175. 925
    wreckingbull says:

    By David @ 904:

    RE: softwarengineer @ 903 – “Beijing threatened that it can impose pharmaceutical export controls after which America will be “plunged into the mighty sea of coronavirus.”” https://nationalinterest.org/feature/china-threatens-throw-america-mighty-sea-coronavirus-130877

    China is using the Wuhan Virus to escalate military action in the South China Sea.

    A Chinese virus lab studying Coronavirus is located in Wuhan – State Run Lab.

    China is committing murder.

    Your whataboutism really does not accomplish much, David.

    The US Military’s National Center for Medical Intelligence repeatedly warned The Whitehouse, IN NOVEMBER, that this had the makings of a cataclysmic event.

    Listen to Esper try to backpedal. What a tool:

    https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1246798640980557824

  176. 926
    uwp says:

    I see we finally got around to the 5G conspiracies here too.

    Getting harder and harder to skip the junk posts to find the GEMs.

  177. 927
    wreckingbull says:

    By kenmorem @ 849:

    RE: Erik @ 802
    what large sums of money was i handed? remind me again since i seem to not recall any such handouts in my life.

    It’s his shtick – accusing others of being handed things in life. I was going to say he has always done this here on SB, but that would not be correct.

    His first shtick when he arrived in 2013 (not 2006) was playing sidekick to a user named ‘corndogs’, calling everyone stupid and bragging about ‘collecting sweaty renter cash’.

    The irony is that his renters are ‘collecting sweaty landlord cash’ due to his negative cash flow condos. You can’t make this stuff up.

  178. 928
    Brianna says:

    RE: uwp @ 911

    “Getting harder and harder to skip the junk posts to find the GEMs.”

    Sadly, true! 🙄

  179. 929
    David says:

    RE: Brianna @ 913 – Bernie Sanders drops out and the stock market goes up.

    Apparently, America’s 60-day free trial of communism isn’t working out so well.

  180. 930
    don says:

    Tinfoil shortage on the horizon, rationing next.

  181. 931
    Erik says:

    RE: wreckingbull @ 927
    Kenmoron claimed to own his house in Bellevue as well as a condo in Queen Anne at age 37 mortgage free. I asked him how he did it and he said he made extra payments.

    It’s just hard to believe. Then when I said I’d meet him he would not, probably because he’s lying. That confirmed it for me. Either his daddy handed him cash or he’s a liar. Probably the latter.

    I don’t believe someone of his mental capacity could get paid enough to pay cash for a house with earned income. You may have done it with your lower intelligence level, but that was because you started writing code at the right time and I’m sure got paid far past what you would get paid at a competitive job. We’ve been over your situation and I don’t think I need to elaborate.

  182. 932
    Justme says:

    https://wolfstreet.com/2020/04/08/week-three-how-covid-19-lockdowns-impact-the-us-housing-mortgage-markets/

    In three states where lockdowns started first, which are also among the most expensive housing markets, the year-over-year plunges in purchase-mortgage applications were the most severe:

    California: -47.5% (from -36.4% the week before)
    New York: -55.4% (from -35.6% the week before)
    Washington: -59.9% (from -32.5% the week before)

  183. 933
  184. 934
    Eastsider says:

    Nothing has changed between UW’s COVID-19 projections on April 1 and today. The country remains in lockdown. The only change is the model’s death projection for the country –

    April 1 – 93k
    April 5 – 82k
    Today – 60k

    I am sure the initial projection they gave to the WH was 220k. Imperial College’s 500k death projection forced UK into a lockdown and was conveniently revised to 20k a couple days after lockdown was put in place. We also went into lockdown partly due to the dire UW projection.

    Now even 60k is probably too high because they are counting anyone with the virus as COVID-19 death even if the patient dies of something else (e.g. influenza.) We have had many flu seasons with 60k death toll in the past. The worst was about 80k in 2017/18 flu season.

  185. 935
    Steakandlobsters says:

    RE: whatsmyname @ 933 -on. Best advice is to wait one year from now to buy and you will get 80% discount for what they paid for. People are losing jobs by millions. Businesses and filing bankruptcies. The show just started. Welcome the Great Global Depression

  186. 936
  187. 937
    David says:

    RE: Steakandlobsters @ 935 – If this is true, then I am going to get rich! I’m going to buy people’s houses for 20 cents on the dollar.

    They are going to line up to sell them to me!!

  188. 938
    kenmorem says:

    By Erik @ 931:

    RE: wreckingbull @ 927
    Kenmoron claimed to own his house in Bellevue as well as a condo in Queen Anne at age 37 mortgage free. I asked him how he did it and he said he made extra payments.

    It’s just hard to believe. Then when I said I’d meet him he would not, probably because he’s lying. That confirmed it for me. Either his daddy handed him cash or he’s a liar. Probably the latter.

    I don’t believe someone of his mental capacity could get paid enough to pay cash for a house with earned income. You may have done it with your lower intelligence level, but that was because you started writing code at the right time and I’m sure got paid far past what you would get paid at a competitive job. We’ve been over your situation and I don’t think I need to elaborate.

    my mental capacity = that of a lead structural engineer in the puget sound region

    queen anne condo = wife, then GF, bought in 2006 for $180k. in 2012, after saving for a bit, we paid off the remaining $130k

    primary residence = $460k purchase price in 2014. took proceeds from townhouse sale in northgate at peak bubble and wiped out the remaining balance using proceeds + savings. primary residence had $120k downpayment. northgate townhouse was also purchased in 2006.

    until 2018, i had never topped 6 figures. my wife is part time and nets $10-15k post nanny expenses.

    i was out of work for 14 months during the last recession.

    our savings rate is 60-70%.

    i have fully remodeled my own home, by myself. FYI: i have 8 years of construction experience in residential carpentry. i have held a job since age 12, including 4 jobs simultaneously through highschool once i turned 16.

    so, go cry me a river about a believable story. i’m sorry you, erik, suck at finances and run a negative cash flow business. good luck with that with the upcoming asset value deflation.

  189. 939
    uwp says:

    By whatsmyname @ 933:

    King County breakouts are up.

    https://www.nwmls.com/library/corporatecontent/statistics/Breakouts_King.pdf

    About what I expected…

    Closed sales up, pendings down, prices up (YOY).
    Active inventory down 35%. Dropping to 2016/2017 levels of scarcity.
    Pending sales down “only” 15% is somewhat interesting, when you consider what the 2nd half of March was like.

    I wonder what will happen in April. I assume inventory will be down again (why list this month unless you absolutely have to) but sales will get crushed as well. If this whole thing ends in a month, I would guess the market turns up hard, but the more likely thing is that quarantine drags for a few months and sellers start to get desperate. Happy to watch from the sidelines.

    Stay healthy everyone.

  190. 940
    N says:

    Before I saw Kenmorem’s response my exact thought was FIRE. Anyone saving 50%+ of their income gets a kudos in my book. Eric likes to get upset and talk down to lots of folks, landlords playing the long game, and really anyone who doesn’t agree with is assessment.

    The way he talks if he would deleverage a bit he would likely have paid for properties too. He touts his real estate success which is fair to a point but it’s also during the greatest bull run. Let’s see how that works in a severe down turn when cash flow is king.

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