About The Tim

Tim Ellis is the founder of Seattle Bubble. His background in engineering and computer / internet technology, a fondness of data-based analysis of problems, and an addiction to spreadsheets all influence his perspective on the Seattle-area real estate market. Tim also hosts the weekly improv comedy sci-fi podcast Dispatches from the Multiverse.

2,485 comments:

  1. 1751
    whatsmyname says:

    RE: David @ 1750 – “The real problem is that China has hollowed out manufacturing. And destroyed the lives of countless American citizens by rendering them skilless for two decades now.”

    That was the market that did that. China came to market with very cheap labor through the entire production chain. USG could have used tariffs to protect internal production, but big business wanted the competitive edge of moving work there, downstream businesses and consumers wanted the cheap prices. Both parties were complicit in going along, but with a steady drumbeat of “free markets over ‘socialism’ coming from the right”.

    I sure didn’t like it, but I have to say that two decades is an excessive period for people to not re-skill. Also, it’s really closer to three decades.

    The same thing is happening with knowledge work. There is always someone looking to cut costs.

  2. 1752
    ruxpert says:

    More than 3,300 stores are closing in 2020 as the retail apocalypse drags on. Here’s the full list.
    https://www.businessinsider.com/stores-closing-in-2020-list-2020-1

  3. 1753
    David says:

    By whatsmyname @ 1751:

    RE: David @ 1750
    I sure didn’t like it, but I have to say that two decades is an excessive period for people to not re-skill. Also, it’s really closer to three decades.

    They couldn’t reskill because the USG engaged in a MASSIVE immigration program as asymmetric warfare against US Citizens.

  4. 1754
    Blurtman says:

    Here is a lovely home that would cost twice as much as a similar home in the lovely community of Sammamish:

    https://www.redfin.com/ID/Post-Falls/865-N-Coles-Loop-83854/home/104708309

  5. 1755
    whatsmyname says:

    By David @ 1753:

    By whatsmyname @ 1751:

    RE: David @ 1750
    I sure didn’t like it, but I have to say that two decades is an excessive period for people to not re-skill. Also, it’s really closer to three decades.

    They couldn’t reskill because the USG engaged in a MASSIVE immigration program as asymmetric warfare against US Citizens.

    You mean they couldn’t re-skill as agricultural labor? Or that they were unfairly disadvantaged by knowing English and our basic culture? Btw, a long time ago I used to pour metal for a living.

  6. 1756
    Ardell DellaLoggia says:

    RE: Blurtman @ 1754

    Actually…that kind of construction is not valued here. Not normally built in earthquake areas. :)

  7. 1757
    Intsokzen says:

    RE: whatsmyname @ 1751

    Have you seen what our high schools produce lately? Half can’t even divide and deal with fractions beyond 1/4, much less have any sense of algebraic thinking. I’m not convinced blaming China is the answer for America’s very large skill-free population. The writing was on the wall 30 years ago, yet the knowledge base and skillsets are in fact still declining, as evident also in many universities (such as the University of California system) now getting rid of standardized testing. The national obsession with college and professional sports however has taken on a whole new level with on-demand and subscriptions. That’s not China’s fault either.

  8. 1758
    David says:

    65M foreign-born and 12-20M illegals is going to displace a lot of US-born no matter what. There is no argument there.

    I’m amazed anyone is willing to join the military and fight to preserve a status-quo like that.

    80% of NYers are functionally illiterate – NOT even counting the ability to comprehend what they read.

    https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/03/07/officials-most-nyc-high-school-grads-need-remedial-help-before-entering-cuny-community-colleges/

    But it is a Democrat city. With obvious results.

  9. 1759
    David says:

    RE: Intsokzen @ 1757 – China’s stated goal is to DISPLACE the USD with the RMB currency.

    If that happens, the U.S.A. will have a lifelong depression to exceed the Obama Depression.

  10. 1760
    whatsmyname says:

    RE: David @ 1758 – This was a conversation about skilled jobs. You’re concluding that illegal aliens are depriving Americans of the opportunity to gain skills by taking the skilled jobs? Or just changing the subject? I’d think an attorney would know what a non-sequitur is. Lot’s of other people do too.

  11. 1761
  12. 1762
  13. 1763
    Blurtman says:

    RE: whatsmyname @ 1760 – Why hate on warehouse work, landscaping work, assembly work and construction work? Why do you hate the working class and deny that they suffer wage depression by illegal alien labor?

  14. 1764

    The Killer Flu Has Killed 100K, the Killer Whale is Going Extinct, Sip Your MJB Solemnly and Read the Brief:

    “… Washington state wades into turbulence over federal dams
    Columbia and Snake River salmon, and orcas that depend on them, are at risk of extinction, and hotter waters in dam reservoirs are making matters worse. The state is aiming to use a new tool: regulating temperatures at federal dams like Ice Harbor, above, near Pasco. This comes as EPA findings stoke long-simmering controversy over dam removal. (Photo: Steve Ringman / The Seattle Times)…”

    SWE’s Take: Lest We Forget.

    “…What’s contributing to big racial disparities in COVID-19 cases? One of the many factors may be household sizes. FYI Guy looks at King County’s multigenerational households — which have their advantages, but not when it comes to the likelihood of virus transmission…”

    SWE’s Take: When one gets it in the classroom, soon we’re all sick. If one gets it in a “gypsie” packed home…they all get it. Offices same, one sick at work, soon the whole office is coughing. I imagine landscapers and construction workers in the same V-8 Tundra driving to job sites together, same conundrum. It all travels down stream.

    “….A shooting at a Seattle motel this morning left a woman dead and a man injured. Police say a suspect fled the scene…”

    SWE’s Take: Violence is off the Richtor Scale in Seattle.

    “…Seattle’s renters deserve government help in maintaining housing stability during COVID-19, but a new restriction on evictions makes several unintended bad outcomes possible. It should be reconsidered, The Seattle Times editorial board writes. …”

    SWE’s take: How can Seattle have a “Sizzling” Housing Market and needs tenant eviction protection at the same time? The Tooth Fairy Knows….LOL

    Good News: The $600/week Care act unemployment increase means “employees needed” signs all over Kent now…they make more unemployed now….its hard to qualify for a PPP loan when this happens? The old laid off Killer Flu workers simply vanish in thin air?

  15. 1765

    Dave’s Switching to American Stocks Now and Erik’s Smiling?

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/25/stock-market-futures-open-to-close-news.html

    Should have bought in a couple months ago at DOW 19000. Its 32% HIGHER IN two months. Makes RE investing look like a joke now in the short term?

    The Tooth Fairy knew and has a gold tooth now…LOL

  16. 1766

    RE: whatsmyname @ 1761

    Where’s Waldo?

    Biden bumper stickers aren’t for the skinny folks or black folks. Where’s Waldo?

  17. 1767
    whatsmyname says:

    RE: Blurtman @ 1763 – Nice try. I don’t hate the working class; I’m from the working class. As such, I know the big headwinds both predate and mightily dwarf the illegal alien impact – and especially where upward mobility is concerned. This is how the market works in basic simple terms, and the employers are the primary players. What kind of weird religiosity would cause a person to ignore systemic outcomes and role of the most powerful agents to try and blame a relatively few hapless refugees for capitalism being capitalism.

    You’ll be glad to know there’s good money in construction still; and there are lots of native born in the trades. There’s also always been a lot of disparity in rewards for blue collar work.

  18. 1768
  19. 1769
    Blurtman says:

    RE: whatsmyname @ 1767 – OK, so we agree that illegal aliens lower the wages of American workers. With regards to responsibility, it falls on:
    1. Employers
    2. The federal and state governments
    3. The consumers of goods and services produced by illegal aliens, i.e., us.
    4. The illegal aliens

    Competition for unskilled labor jobs and for manual labor jobs by illegal aliens harms people of color citizens disproportionately, so even good libtards should be against illegal alien labor.

    An anecdotal story: I required a wheel chair at Seatac due to an ankle injury and resulting cast, and struck up a conversation about Trump with the wheel chair attendant, a person of color who I took to be a Native American from a former Spanish colony. Surprisingly, the fellow was very much pro-Trump, especially with regards to cracking down on illegal aliens. He explained to me that he was from the Philippines, and that family members had to wait an extraordinary number of years to immigrate to the US, and he was quite upset at folks cutting the line and cheating their way in. I wouldn’t say he was a racist at all.

    And the same applies to outsourcing labor to China. Imagine how cheap things would be if 100% of goods and services were outsourced to the Communist country. Of course, we wouldn’t have jobs to buy the cheap things.

  20. 1770

    RE: whatsmyname @ 1755
    Hades IMO We’ve Become Lazy and Dis respectable of Learning On the Job Training

    We think a college degree inexperienced pop tart is better skilled than a high school kid working up the corporate ladder with like 10-20 years experience and actually learning the job. Give me a U of W class that teaches Microsoft Source Control Trade Secrets or Boeing Aerospace Manufacturing Trade Secrets? Hades, how thick is the metal for Boeing airplane jigs, what kind of metals and how deep are the weld fillets? What’s a Manufacturing Safety Factor for aerospace tool design 3? 15? Come on green degreed engineer, cat got your tongue? LOL

    That’s why a high school graduate with 5-10 years experience in MSFT source control trade secret knowledge can become a software engineer in Seattle at $120K a year…the degreed engineer can get the same job/pay in Indeed too, but not without the required 5-10 years experience. College educations are job enhancers, not connected to a experience at all.

  21. 1771
    Beano says:

    By Blurtman @ 1754:

    Here is a lovely home that would cost twice as much as a similar home in the lovely community of Sammamish:

    https://www.redfin.com/ID/Post-Falls/865-N-Coles-Loop-83854/home/104708309

    But you don’t get to enjoy the homelessness of Seattle.

  22. 1772
    northender says:

    RE: NWA @ 1768
    Don’t you think the reductions have a lot to do with the funky floorplan?
    About 30 blocks west of that one most of the listings are going pending within a week or two.

  23. 1773

    Time to Grab Your Jack in the Box Red Tee Shirt and Red Cap; Get Ready for Work at Horrifyingly Low “Slave” Pay and Gulp MJB Instead of Starbucks Ya Can’t Afford and Read the Brief:

    “… Want to know what Phase 2 looks like? See Skamania County — and its new fears
    Trudi Hanson, of Skamania Lodge, spaces tables and chairs with a measuring stick in preparation for reopening this week. The county on Washington’s southern border was among the first that moved to Phase 2 of Gov. Jay Inslee’s coronavirus reopening plan, and Memorial Day crowds soon flocked in. Many residents worry that the rural isolation that has shielded them now threatens to turn their home into a virus hot spot. (Photo: Amanda Snyder / The Seattle Times) ..”

    SWE’s Take: I’ve become gun shy of venturing out among possible Killer Flu victims….I’m sure others have too. I imagine the plate prices went way up as the sales volume went way down too. Blame the MSM Killer Flu news and its fear. We feel safe at home now? Habits become ingrained now?

    “…Today, American astronauts will rocket into space from U.S. soil for the first time in nearly 10 years, if the weather cooperates. It’s an enormously risky endeavour, made even more challenging because of coronavirus. Here’s how to watch the launch of NASA astronauts and close friends Bob Behnken and Doug Hurley aboard SpaceX’s Crew Dragon capsule. (It looks retro, but it’s not your grandfather’s spacecraft.) You’ll find updates at seattletimes.com. ..”

    SWE’s take: SpaceX vehicle explodes with humans inside [quite possible with SpaceX horrible safety engineering record the last couple years] and kiss SpaceX good-bye today? The military history and fiction writer Tom Clancy died in 2013, but his “ghost author” Mike Maden wrote a 2019 book called “Enemy Contact” [Jack Ryan Series]….the SpaceX in that book explodes and puts the Cloud internet business bankrupt. The Chinese were hacking America while holding American H-1B high management jobs and sending out our trade secrets to China with US Senators cashing in on the NWO take. Great read, reminds me of today…LOL…Maden is actually a better author than Clancy too…Clancy bored ya with too many military acronyms, Maden writes a better/clearer plot IMO. I’m buying more Maden now. Try one today.

    “…The virus will come roaring back in King County without comprehensive testing, contact tracing and quarantines, a new report says. The soonest the county could move to the next phase of reopening is Monday, but it isn’t close to meeting the criteria for that. Here’s where things stand. Read more in today’s live updates…”

    SWE’s take: A good portion of the folks I talk too think landscapers are “essential” workers who are immune from safe distancing at work….wrong assumption. Landscaping, home remodeling [not emergency related], home building, etc…are all non-essential jobs, why are they more important than routine dentist visits or schools, restaurants, etc, etc? Cat got your tongue? Hey, if ya work home service jobs and share a space in a V-8 Tundra Truck….you can sue your employer if ya catch Killer Flu, ask an attorney if ya don’t believe me. The long road grass in ditches is already trimmed by County truck cutters [single driver] anyway. Long grass at home is politically correct now…LOL…I notice the owners let their workers drive the possible ‘Killer Flu contaminated car pool Tundra Truck” and they drive alone…LOL

    “…Boeing layoffs may come as soon as today. As workers brace for the hit, the company is taking a tentative step toward stability by controlling the spread of coronavirus. It isn’t easy. ..”

    SWE’s Take: This is what happens when you outsource to “Japanese Engineering Overlords”, these layoffs would have happened without Killer Flu anyway IMO.

    “…Trump vs. Twitter: President Donald Trump today threatened to “strongly regulate or close down” social media companies after Twitter slapped a fact-check label on his tweets for the first time. The move came in response to two specific tweets in a 24-hour span. ..”

    SWE’s take: High Tech is Fascist and against the Freedom of Speech 1st Amendment?

    Good News: Ya can be a Democrat and scream Kavanaugh “sexual rape” lies and allegations all day on Twitter and that’s OK.

  24. 1774
    armk says:

    Not seeing many listings right now due to corona. Any bets on what price level the Seattle RE market will “open” at when listings start popping up? Down 10% on economic climate and layoffs? Up 10% on Fed money printing and horde of buyers on sidelines?

  25. 1775

    RE: armk @ 1774
    Ya Gotta Live Somewhere if ya Work in Seattle

    That doesn’t mean its a bad idea to just wait and rent now. American Stocks are a great alternative to RE buying anyway. RE purchasing is a great way to grow wealth in decades but also a horrible way to tie up money and make it not liquid.

    Then watch the half priced foreclosures pass ya by again because ya guessed wrong and bought too early? The stock buying Tooth Fairy smiles with stock market gold teeth? LOL

  26. 1776

    Waiting in 100 Degree Temperature for Hours Wearing a Face Mask at Disneyland This Summer to Board Two Rides/Day, Sounds Like Chinese Torture to Me

    https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.jIZb_psAqEGjb9NeH_Q-fgHaFO?w=294&h=205&c=7&o=5&pid=1.7

  27. 1777

    Unemployment Fraud In Seattle Off the Richtor Scale Now?

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/huge-washington-unemployment-fraud-warning-154200996.html

    Perhaps the African Mafia that caused this data breach got help from their Chinese Allies? Maden made that connection too in his 2019 book too.

  28. 1778
    Juststoppedby says:

    RE: armk @ 1774
    Boeing just announced almost 10,000 layoffs in Washington state.

    I’m guessing there will be a significant number of downstream layoffs in the industry on top of these…

    The cruise industry is shut down, and we’re seeing layoffs with companies like Expedia and Holland America.

    Wasn’t Starbucks talking about layoffs, too?

    My guess there will be two or three months of pent up buying demand, but then we will begin to see sellers trying to cash in while they still have positive equity gains from the past handful of years.

    Also, it will be interesting to see the impact of Airbnb sellers and people that are interested in working from home and moving to lower priced markets…

  29. 1779
    Eastsider says:

    Round 1 of ILO just announced. From Boeing CEO –

    Team:

    Following the reduction-in-force announcement we made last month, we have concluded our voluntary layoff (VLO) program. And now we have come to the unfortunate moment of having to start involuntary layoffs (ILO). Were notifying the first 6,770 of our U.S. team members this week that they will be affected. We will provide all the support we can to those of you impacted by the ILOs including severance pay, COBRA health care coverage for U.S. employees and career transition services.

  30. 1780
    sfrz says:

    RE: softwarengineer @ 1775 – WFH has now turned this notion on its head. You don’t even have to be in the same country to WFH. Your neighbor might be across the pond. AND- if it saves the company $$$- thaz right. You guessed it.

  31. 1781
    Blurtman says:

    RE: softwarengineer @ 1777 – How can Dimslee not fire Suzi LeVine? How can WA state voters sit back and do nothing? Get ready for a tax increase to make up for the stolen millions. Suzi, you’re doing a heck of a job!

  32. 1782
    uwp says:

    By northender @ 1772:

    RE: NWA @ 1768
    Don’t you think the reductions have a lot to do with the funky floorplan?
    About 30 blocks west of that one most of the listings are going pending within a week or two.

    Funky floorplan, ugly building (IMHO), on a main street, sloping floors (per agent comments), gone pending-inspection twice and come back on the market, plus listed since early January (no virus issues back then)… There are all sorts of potential problems with this listing.

    Of course, the right price can fix that.

  33. 1783
    sfrz says:

    RE: uwp @ 1782 – Always the right tool. That price will fix anything.

  34. 1784
    sfrz says:

    RE: Eastsider @ 1779
    Go on take the money and run! Yeah! Yah! Ooo. Ooo. Ooo! (Steve Miller band)

    Dr. Jack Rasmus@drjackrasmus
    #Boeing Now we know why Boeing decided not to take $60b loan set aside for it under the loan bailout program. If it did, it would have to use 50% to keep workers on job. Instead, it borrowed $25B from mkts & will now layoff 16,000. Next? Move more jobs to nonunion So. Carolina.
    2:15 AM · May 27, 2020·

  35. 1785
    ruxpert says:

    Bureaucratic deer caught in the transparency headlights? (see pic)

    Washington’s unemployment insurance lost over $100 million to a Nigerian scam
    https://thepostmillennial.com/washingtons-unemployment-insurance-lost-over-100-million-to-a-nigerian-scam

  36. 1786
    wreckingbull says:

    By Blurtman @ 1781:

    RE: softwarengineer @ 1777 – How can Dimslee not fire Suzi LeVine? How can WA state voters sit back and do nothing? Get ready for a tax increase to make up for the stolen millions. Suzi, you’re doing a heck of a job!

    It’s not just that they had a brain-dead system which allowed the fraud. It’s a $44 million BRAND NEW SYSTEM. Add to that the sad fact that real unemployed people went for months without getting their legally entitled benefits.

    Will anyone stand up and take responsibility?

  37. 1787
    whatsmyname says:

    RE: Blurtman @ 1769 – I do agree alien competition works to negative effect on the wages of some, even many, workers. It’s a fact, much like the fact that a bad hangnail makes it harder to walk. Where we disagree is in the single-minded castigating of that hangnail while whistling past the broken ankle affecting the other foot.

  38. 1788
    sfrz says:

    RE: uwp @ 1782 – I think we’re gonna need a bigger tool box. Several saws are needed for all this sawin’ and a slashin’. Those Airbnb mini empire vultures are getting hungry for some money. Making Mr. Landlord sweat just a bit.
    VANCOUVER-
    “The advertised rent for a two-bedroom apartment has plunged by 15 per cent in the city of Vancouver, one of the biggest drops in Canada, as COVID-19 makes its bewildering way through the economy. The average rent demanded for a two-bedroom apartment in the city of Vancouver dropped by almost $450, to $2,478 a month. Rohana Rezel, a housing advocate, is part of a group monitoring Craigslist and other real-estate forums. They’ve discovered short-term rentals are ‘collapsing’ and hundreds of units are now switching to long-term rentals.”

    “‘People offering their places for rent on Craigslist are now blatantly saying it used to be an Airbnb. They’re boasting it was rated five stars,’ says Rezel, who adds that many such landlords started off charging outlandish long-term rents, which they were forced to slash.”

    “As in many cities around the world, many owners in Vancouver and Toronto are also feeling pressure to somehow off-load their homes, either because they have lost wages or are going into deeper debt. But they’re in a bind, because it’s no longer a house-seller’s market. Some would-be sellers are trying to wait out the downturn by renting their places, thus also increasing supply.”
    https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/douglas-todd-three-reasons-why-rents-suddenly-dropped-in-metro-vancouver

  39. 1789
    armk says:

    To everyone pointing to layoffs as a sign that housing prices in Seattle will be down – that seems like what a lot of people are saying about the stock market, but it’s up with all the money injected into the economy. Why would we expect housing prices to be different?

  40. 1790
    Bumble says:

    RE: armk @ 1789

    I keep expecting the S&P and Seattle RE to tank, but fundamentals don’t seem to matter as much as the policies of central banks. And how will inflation fit into all of this now that we are printing gobs of money? Who knows? The economists I speak with don’t know. Anyone who tells you they can do better than guess is probably full of softwarengineer.

  41. 1791
    Blurtman says:

    RE: whatsmyname @ 1787 – I am assuming the based upon your poor reading comprehension and tortured metaphor construction, that English is not your primary language. But please note that in post 1769, employers, governments and consumers were described as the villains in enabling job taking and wage lowering by illegal alien workers. And that illegal aliens were also implicated, because they have cut in line, and disregarded our borders and immigration policies.

  42. 1792
    whatsmyname says:

    RE: Blurtman @ 1791 – Thank you for your sort-of acknowledgement that employers, government, and consumers were much more substantial drivers of our poor employment market, (no need to call them villains). In return, I was acknowledging that illegal labor does have an impact, (albeit much smaller, and not deserving of the johnny one note approach in the earlier part of the conversation). Lo siento si eso no estaba claro.

  43. 1793
    Eastsider says:

    RE: armk @ 1789 – Boeing has laid off 10k workers in the state and thousands more are expected in coming months. Retailers, restaurants and many businesses are going bankrupt. The S&P 500 index does not include these failing businesses. A good percentage (over one third?) of furloughs will become permanent. These layoffs and furloughs will have an adverse impact on the housing market. Tech workers are relatively unaffected but they account for only 10% of workforce in the region. There will be more (forced) sellers than buyers in a year when mortgage forbearance ends. Home prices don’t collapse overnight but I expect lower prices by the end of the year and going forward.

  44. 1794
    Joe says:

    RE: Eastsider @ 1793

    The only reason Seattle housing prices would not plummet is federal stimulus. If the Fed prints enough money to keep people worried about inflation, housing could stay propped up for a while because it is an effective inflation hedge. RE is also an alternative investment to stocks and bonds, so if prices of those assets remains high, RE prices should also remain high.

    There are no sure things in the short and medium term.

  45. 1795
    QA Observer says:

    RE: Eastsider @ 1793

    I agree with this assessment. Additionally, there are a tremendous number of subconsultant’s that serve BA peripherally that will see revenue dry up.

    Another casualty…Expedia. Their newly upgraded and constructed campus in Interbay is effectively moot.

  46. 1796
    armk says:

    RE: Eastsider @ 1793

    What’s stopping the government from doing something drastic like extend the forbearance period or provide a federal backstop so people don’t lose their houses/ aren’t forced to sell at deeply discounted prices? They’ve shown willingness to throw so much at propping up stock prices, what more real assets where more people will be impacted?

  47. 1797

    Where’s Waldo? Where’s the Killer Flu Surge?

    Yeah there’s stability in some death counts at some states, but that’s normal low rate stability as the surge dies out? Or a horrifying precursor to a mutated coronavirus with horrifying shark teeth yet to come? No one wants to be Peter Crying Wolf Killer Flu or take a Pollyanna Assumption its over?

    https://ecp.yusercontent.com/mail?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpatriot.imgix.net%2F4636046452a42b87724398cceda32a50ba867c4ae8f1bb73797597691b951ce9.jpg%3Fw%3D1200&t=1590676843&ymreqid=ea725849-d2d3-3073-1c7e-a20008018500&sig=.vwK9uh.WEv68raGGg5moQ–~C

    Hey, I mowed my own lawn on my own property yesterday; that’s “stay at home” safe. Almost anyone that owns a home in the Seattle area and doesn’t mow their own lawn is either lazy or lacks IQ? BTW, its good for older folks to exercise and stay fit too, if you don’t exercise you risk cardio vascular problems too. This has nothing to do with being rich either, affording something is never a reason to stop exercising, especially older folks who don’t. So get off your isolation rear-ends, put some sun-screen on, put the charged up Lithium Battery in the mower and lose that 5 pounds we all gained during stay at home… now have a cup of MJB to get started and read the brief:

    “… Boeing slashes jobs, restarts production of grounded 737 MAX
    A new downturn in Boeing jobs has begun in the Puget Sound area. On a day when Boeing announced more than 12,300 job cuts in the U.S., with Washington state taking the biggest hit, the company also pushed the button on restarting 737 MAX production. Boeing’s future business relies on the rebirth of the jet, grounded more than a year ago after two deadly crashes. (Photo: Mike Siegel / The Seattle Times)…”

    SWE’s take: The layoff bloody ax is messy and the red stains don’t come clean. Restarting the 737? With the workers furloughed?

    “…People under 40 account for half of the newest coronavirus cases in Washington. That worrisome shift deserves attention as counties reopen, the analysis’ lead author says. In today’s live updates, you’ll find a graphic that breaks down the state’s 20,406 cases and 1,095 deaths by age and location. Meanwhile, the U.S. death toll has topped 100,000, meaning more Americans have now died from the virus than were killed in the Vietnam and Korean wars combined…”

    SWE’s Take: The Killer Flu Grim Reaper wants younger beach buddies too.

    “…Washington’s houses of worship can start holding services in person again — with restrictions. Here’s how this will look, and an updated guide to when you’ll be able to get a haircut, go to the gym, eat at restaurants and more…”

    SWE’s Take: Church attendance was way down before Killer Flu, now its a bankrupt institution for charity? Even ‘safe space” limiting services to like 10-20 people is a joke now, especially with million dollar RE building funds in each church’s bank debt. I see the golden sikh temple on 132nd in Kent is getting its GIANT elaborate roof structure “newly” completed, a massive ornate custom $1-2M building fund bank debt now with “safe space” social distancing destroying its budget too? It all travels down stream now?

    “…A fourth child in Washington has been diagnosed with a coronavirus-related inflammatory syndrome. Parents should know the signs and not delay seeking care, a Seattle Children’s research director says…”

    SWE’s Take: It just takes one rotten apple to get past the inaccurate Killer Flu tests and the whole classroom gets it if we open the schools again? It sounds like head lice, one gets it and they pass it all around, scratching their scalps?…

    “… How to find a job amid a recession … or a pandemic: As new weekly jobless claims top 53,000 in Washington state, millennials who graduated during the last recession are recalling their own stories of the uphill fight to overcome terrible odds. They’re sharing advice for the class of 2020.
    Last week’s Seattle-area home sales outpaced the same week in 2019 despite the pandemic, our daily Coronavirus Economy chart shows…”

    SWE’s Take: Buying at typical home prices now in Seattle has nothing to do with class equality or “majority” voter average Joe wages invited to the high NWO Kegger Party Rent too? The Gen-Zs use the bird symbol to it?

    “…President Donald Trump is preparing to sign an executive order today aimed at social media companies, after lashing out at Twitter for applying fact checks to two of his tweets. How much can he legally do? The president has been claiming extraordinary powers that law scholars say he doesn’t have…”

    SWE’s take: Then fight the President’s EO against Twitter being too partisan in your liberal courts if you don’t like Trump’s EO and watch everyone switch their votes to Trump? Nobody like the Uber Rich being partisan on Twitter, nobody. Its like a checkmate folks, Trump wins again….LOL…or just shut up?

    “…Enjoy the blast of summer while it lasts: It could hit 80 degrees today, but we’re in for a cool-down and “especially wet” (and possibly stormy) weather ahead…”

    SWE’s take: Fire your Killer Flu non-essential lawn mowing today and get off your lazy b_tts and mow your own home’s lawn yourself before the rains.

    “… One of Seattle’s best new restaurants, a longtime Italian favorite spot and a secret noodle dish are among three options we especially love for takeout…”

    SWE’s take: Let’s hope they don’t price Italian Food like Paola’s in Kent….last time I was there decades ago it was $50/plate with separate priced salad and entree…it wasn’t that good either. Add in 30% Grubhub fees if ya get it delivered by iPhone APP.

    “…Should Seattle close more streets to cars, to make room for people walking, biking and otherwise recreating? As the city weighs more closures, our poll turned up Lake Washington Boulevard as an overwhelming favorite. See if you agree with the other picks…”

    SWE’s take: If you bought a home or condo on those closed streets, it just got devalued 30-50%?

    Good News: They may not close the streets where Erik bought all his condo Flippers? Those condos went up in price now? There’s always a Yin to a Yang…LOL

  48. 1798
    Brianna says:

    RE: Bumble @ 1790

    LOL! Your comment made me spit out my Yuban! 🤣

  49. 1799

    RE: Brianna @ 1798
    There’s One Thing No One Banked On

    Hind-sight on the two month 32% stock surge. That’s not an assumption or guess…its actuals. But ignore actuals and blame it all on the ones that trend using actuals? LOL…isn’t that a definition of anarchy too?

    BTW, even Buffet recently lost his shirt in the stock market recently and apparently didn’t $CASH$ in on the recent 32% two month stock surge. They cancelled that insider trading “Killer Flu” lawsuit against Feinstine (D) BTW….the Uber rich are never prosecuted.

  50. 1800
    Eastsider says:

    By armk @ 1796:

    What’s stopping the government from doing something drastic like extend the forbearance period or provide a federal backstop so people don’t lose their houses/ aren’t forced to sell at deeply discounted prices? They’ve shown willingness to throw so much at propping up stock prices, what more real assets where more people will be impacted?

    Many mortgages in forbearance cannot be ‘saved’ and will end in default. The government cannot force mortgage holders (banks, pensions, inst investors) to provide free housing. Sure they will try to prop up prices by lowering interest rates (“affordability”) because distressed prices will hurt banks holding mortgages. Most mortgages have at least 20% equity due to down payment requirement and price gains in recent years. Nobody is going to shed tears if you lose your home/equity. The FED only cares if there is systemic risk.

  51. 1801
    Blurtman says:

    I am on record on this blog for calling the Dow at 18,000 the floor a few months back.

    Please, you are embarrassing me. Really the applause is deafening. No, seriously, please, no need,,…

  52. 1802
    Juststoppedby says:

    By armk @ 1796:

    RE: Eastsider @ 1793

    What’s stopping the government from doing something drastic like extend the forbearance period or provide a federal backstop so people don’t lose their houses/ aren’t forced to sell at deeply discounted prices? They’ve shown willingness to throw so much at propping up stock prices, what more real assets where more people will be impacted?

    I don’t want to get into the weeds and all the details around this specific issue, but maybe there’s another perspective to consider…

    People who feel that property values will go down may want to cash in their chips and take the money and run. There’s a lot of equity that’s been built up in recent years and I’m sure some people will be going this route.

    I know at least one home seller doing this. Also, some of those people who are retiring or can work from home will be selling Seattle area properties and getting something cheaper in the desert (or someplace else)…

  53. 1803
    sfrz says:

    RE: Eastsider @ 1800
    Another Real Estate Crash Is Coming
    “The question naturally arises: Why have the Federal Reserve and the government so far failed to preempt such a crisis? The answer, as we have suggested, is deeply political. The Fed is worried about maintaining its long-term independence from Congress and the executive branch of government. Therefore, it has to engage in a balancing act of not doing too little to support the real estate market, while simultaneously avoiding the risk of being accused of going too far without congressional approval. Inevitably, the Fed has sought to move in lockstep with the government on the tricky business of another bailout for the real estate sector.

    For the government, on the other hand, the problem is the bitter memories etched into working people from the bailout of bankers after the burst of the subprime mortgage bubble in 2008–9, when homeowners were left to drown first under a Republican and then a Democratic administration. Jerome Powell at the Fed and Steve Mnuchin at the Treasury are fully aware of this, as is also Donald Trump, for whom this is an election year.
    The stakes could not be any higher — and the real estate sector is political poison.
    https://jacobinmag.com/2020/05/real-estate-crash-pandemic-coronavirus

  54. 1804
    sfrz says:

    Dear Expedia. Could you elaborate on the meaning of your wording- “reorganization” and “simplification?”

    “As part of its reorganization efforts, Expedia Group is winding down its multifamily building short-term rental business that it began with the 2018 acquisitions of Pillow and ApartmentJet, Skift has learned.

    Expedia Group bought the two companies for around $54 million, and combined them, along with some staff from its Vrbo subsidiary, to create Expedia Group Multifamily solutions. Expedia rebranded the product into a suite of software tools called Flex, or Flexible Living Platform, and it was geared to help landlords attract short-term rental bookings for vacant apartments, and to enable tenants to offer up their units to guests.

    Pillow had counted Airbnb as its exclusive multifamily software partner prior to Expedia buying the company. But Airbnb spokesman Tim Rathschmidt said Monday that Airbnb discontinued the Pillow partnership soon after Expedia acquired the company, and built its own service.

    An Expedia spokesperson on Monday confirmed that the company is “winding down” Pillow and ApartmentJet “as part of our drive for simplification.””
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/expedia-shuts-short-term-rental-183032802.html

  55. 1805
    Nicole says:

    RE: NWA @ 1768 – That house is a sort of sad flip of a perma-rental. Good location, but the whole house slopes downhill. Still surprising it hasn’t sold as other houses in the area closing quickly

  56. 1806
    Beano says:

    By sfrz @ 1803:

    RE: Eastsider @ 1800
    Another Real Estate Crash Is Coming
    “The question naturally arises: Why have the Federal Reserve and the government so far failed to preempt such a crisis? The answer, as we have suggested, is deeply political. The Fed is worried about maintaining its long-term independence from Congress and the executive branch of government. Therefore, it has to engage in a balancing act of not doing too little to support the real estate market, while simultaneously avoiding the risk of being accused of going too far without congressional approval. Inevitably, the Fed has sought to move in lockstep with the government on the tricky business of another bailout for the real estate sector.

    For the government, on the other hand, the problem is the bitter memories etched into working people from the bailout of bankers after the burst of the subprime mortgage bubble in 2008–9, when homeowners were left to drown first under a Republican and then a Democratic administration. Jerome Powell at the Fed and Steve Mnuchin at the Treasury are fully aware of this, as is also Donald Trump, for whom this is an election year.
    The stakes could not be any higher — and the real estate sector is political poison.
    https://jacobinmag.com/2020/05/real-estate-crash-pandemic-coronavirus

    This asserts the government isn’t bailing out housing.

    Totally not true.

    And, if there are signs of housing collapse, government will put out all the stops. You watch.

  57. 1807
    armk says:

    RE: Beano @ 1806

    Yeah this was my thought too. I’d like to see more debate on why people think this will/won’t happen. S&P was down 34% at the worst and government already threw so much at stabilizing the market. That’s people’s 401ks. Why not their houses if that gets threatened? Given the inherent leverage in housing (4x to 5x), it won’t take nearly as big a drop for people to see huge hits on their house equity. My gut is it won’t even take a 10% decline in housing prices for government to step in. But as I said, I’d like to hear the argument from the opposite side i.e. why the government will let housing decline more than 10%.

  58. 1808
    Eastsider says:

    By armk @ 1807:

    My gut is it won’t even take a 10% decline in housing prices for government to step in. But as I said, I’d like to hear the argument from the opposite side i.e. why the government will let housing decline more than 10%.

    You obviously know the answer but refuse to accept the possibility. The last housing crash was not that long ago.

    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/SPCS20RSA

  59. 1809
    armk says:

    RE: Eastsider @ 1808

    Sorry I don’t mean what are the facts from last time’s crash. That would be like saying the Nasdaq was down 80% in the 2000 tech crash, so the next time we have a crash in tech stocks the market should also be down in that neighborhood.

    For one, the companies and their earnings durability is different. The excesses and bubbliness in the market is different. For housing, people aren’t doing NINJA loans etc. Nowhere near the same level of egregious behavior as 2008, so why would you expect a price decline of the same magnitude?

    Second, 2008 was in a way a big realization for government that they could throw unprecedented monetary stimulus at the markets and smooth out the problems. They were a bit late to the party in 2008 (even hiking rates as the crisis was beginning to play out). I would argue their learnings from that crisis are going to make them a lot more proactive this time around and in future. So we won’t get to see fire sales like that in housing.

    I don’t have an agenda to push except I would like to buy a house at some point but don’t want to make a stupid financial decision. So I am all for prices to go down but trying to hear both sides of the argument so I can hopefully get the timing right.

  60. 1810

    You Have Just Entered “The Twilight Zone” of Killer Flu RE Sales Predictions, so smoke a Rod Serling cigarette, put on your black suit and tie….nervously gulp your MJB and read the brief for Friday:

    “… Protests flare across U.S. over Black man’s death; crowds torch Minneapolis police station
    Protests intensified last night over the death of George Floyd, a Black man who pleaded for air as a white police officer kneeled on his neck. And in Kentucky, at least seven people were shot as demonstrators demanded justice for Breonna Taylor, a Black woman who was killed by police in March. The issue has been hitting home: Protests are planned tomorrow in Seattle, and a Pierce County school district fired a coach over his social media posts about the Floyd case. Meanwhile, Twitter added a warning to one of President Donald Trump’s tweets about the protests, saying he broke rules about “glorifying violence.” (Photo: Julio Cortez / AP)…”

    SWE’s take: Yeah….its all Trump’s Twitters fault…LOL….how about liberals screaming bomb the White House or carrying a “BLOODY” severed head of the POTUS? Those Twitters are freedom of Speech? Keep Twitterring Trump…I’m sure Trump glorifies violence…LOL….Fake News folks.

    “…Gov. Jay Inslee will release new guidance as soon as today on when the biggest counties can reopen, and he’s dropping hints: “There will probably be some pleased folks to some degree.” But not every county is meeting the criteria he’s laid out. Find today’s live updates and a county-by-county breakdown of virus cases and deaths…”

    SWE’s Take: So these open counties are all out in the East Washington nuclear waste burial sites with low population density and no tourism?

    “…Washington state has clawed back more than $300 million from unemployment fraud, but the whole mess may further delay payments as 323,000 newly jobless residents wait for their checks. (Know what to do if the fraudsters use your name.) There’s a bit of good news for job seekers, though: Job listings are on the rise, and Amazon is offering full-time employment to most of its 175,000 pandemic hires…”

    SWE’s take: Yeah Blurtman, they clawed the money back and delay payments? Sounds like Pinocchio’s Nose grew a foot…

    “…Washington nursing homes and the memory-care units in assisted-living facilities must test staffers for coronavirus and offer the tests to residents, under a new directive from Inslee…”

    SWE’s take: Schools and workplaces next, or you can’t attend without Killer Flu inaccurate testing? Please supply name and address for subsequent surveillance too?

    “…The CDC is recommending sweeping changes at offices, involving everything from masks to desk shields and even the sacred coffeepot. The new guidelines also upend years of advice on commuting….”

    SWE’s take: No matter what we do, one Killer Flu kid gets by the lax inaccurate testing and the whole office is coughing? LOL…its hopeless.

    “… A property manager must pay tenants nearly $300,000 in the first lawsuit stemming from Washington’s ban on evictions….”

    SWE’s take: We’re in King County now, if you’re a landlord with deadbeat “gypsie group” tenants destroying the place you’re screwed. Screen your tenants well like Erik and pray.

    “…The coronavirus pandemic has thrown Washington’s retired people (and those who soon hope to be) into limbo, with major pressures coming from every direction — financial, medical and emotional. As retirees face difficult choices and an uncertain future, financial experts and retirees are sharing ways to mitigate the damage, and a few reasons for optimism. (Illustration: Jennifer Luxton / The Seattle Times)…”

    SWE’s take:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/edwardsiedle/2020/03/16/coronavirus-could-kill-your-pension/#1f2a4b524266

    “..More recently, however, governmental budget problems, mismanagement of pension investments and growing public concern about retirement benefit costs, have resulted in a wave of public pension benefit reductions—particularly for future employees—and employee contribution increases. These have affected most state employee groups, as well as many local employee groups…”

    Retire ASAP before the reductions occur? Or is it hopeless? Speaking from experience, its bad now and it was bad decades ago too….my gross pay was taxed about 40% in paying pension and retirement costs. Never do the retirement estimate comparison on gross pay, use net pay…use 0% retirement investment interest in your estimate too for elbow room for HUGE inflations like cable, car tabs, home maintenance services and property taxes [add in RE attorney costs for evictions if you’re a landlord?]. Good News for my retirement, my rocket car Dodge Charger insurance premium dropped 16% in 2020 to its old rates years ago. Did the other Bubbleheads see their car insurance cost suddenly plummet too?

    “…Sports are a sanctuary, and a glue that binds families. Amid the massive void created by the absence of games, we’re sharing heartfelt essays and illustrations on what sports means to us. And college football recruiting these days is like a dating app … without the dates. Will schools and recruits fall out of love with each other when they finally meet face-to-face? This could affect UW’s 2021 class. ..”

    SWE’s take: I accidentally pushed channel 30, the old FOX sports channel on cable….it was some paid religious dreg show instead….I see U of W womens sports eliminated and maybe we can afford 2020 Husky men’s football alone with Killer Flu safe stadium spacing 15000/game…U of W is broke IOWs. The Seahawks can be replaced with $100K/yr less skilled cheap XL football players and $5M/yr QBs are now extinct dinosaurs.

    “… What can you make with pancake mix, olives, cheese and herbs? Seattle Times readers are showing off surprisingly fancypants creations in Round 2 of our Pantry Kitchen Challenge. Here’s your mission for Round 3…”

    SWE’s Take: Stop eating white flour pancake mixes, its useless carbs…throw lots of syrup on it and soon they’ll call you isolation Porky? LOL

    “…How to find a job amid a recession … or a pandemic? Millennials have this advice for the class of 2020…”

    SWE’s Take: Put your “smiling Jack” red cap and tee shirt on, Jack in the Box is hiring…LOL.
    My Milenial friend came out to “safe space” visit with me when she saw I was mowing my lawn…seeeeee….you fat lazy “single” home owners that hire landscapers are missing the “Killer Flu Opportunity” boat in more ways than one…

    “…Faith leaders have shown wisdom and restraint in disregarding calls by many, including President Trump, to restart in-person services during an untamed pandemic, The Seattle Times editorial board writes….”

    SWE’s Take: Safe spacing opening of churches applies to all religious agencies…even new $2M sihk temples [church mortgaged?] in Kent for the India folk…Trump is trying to help all ethnic groups.

    Good News: The temperatures about 5 degrees colder today and this weekend experiences Seattle area global cooling with rain torrents [lows in the 40s and its almost June?] LOL….don’t pack the parkas away just yet. And I’m hoping it extends all Summer too…beats thick unbreathable wild fire pollution smoke in Puget Sound views…with Killer Flu isolation to boot.

  61. 1811

    Let’s Hope the Seattle Protest Mobs today don’t get VIOLENT with torching and rocks too, No One wants that

    https://summit.news/2020/05/29/rioter-were-gonna-start-coming-to-the-suburbs/

    Screaming “class clash MOBS with pitchforks and torches” heading for “MSFT Uber Rich Sammimish” to set it all on fire now too? Now I’m glad my HOA is walled off with a fence and no parking allowed. We’ll know more later tonight. Stay home, stay safe; in more ways than just Killer Flu now…

    https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIF.eWZ41hGyqCVPRlWaKBXocA&pid=Api&P=0&w=330&h=186

  62. 1812
    Eastsider says:

    Tech jobs are not immune from furloughs and layoffs. State workers will be next.

    Google Rescinds Offers to Thousands of Contract Workers
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/29/technology/google-rescinds-job-offers-to-contract-workers.html

  63. 1813
    Juststoppedby says:

    RE: armk @ 1809

    It sounds like a large part of your premise is that the government might step in so that people don’t go underwater with their homes.

    Totally understandable, and there are a number of ways they could do this – they could support risky mortgages, they could pull some levers to reduce rates (assuming this didn’t screw up some other part of their plan), whatever.

    The thing is, people have much more equity in their homes than they did in 2008 when there were a lot more shenanigans going on, and a lot more people using their homes as credit cards.

    Seems to me that there could be a number of homes sellers who want to sell their houses just to take some money off the table.

    Particularly if your appointment picture is in certain one or if they can move to a lower cost area and telecommute.

  64. 1814
    Juststoppedby says:

    Looks like hundreds of now former Airbnb locations will be coming onto the market in one form or another:

    https://www.seattletimes.com/business/real-estate/seattle-based-airbnb-rental-startup-loftium-misses-its-own-rent-payments-slashes-staff-as-coronavirus-undercuts-business/

    “Founded in 2017 by Zhang and cofounder Adam Stelle after she realized she could cover her mortgage by renting a room in her Seattle house on Airbnb, Loftium was expanding rapidly in the months before the pandemic.

    It leased roughly 700 rental units — mostly in Seattle, but also in Atlanta, the Bay Area, Charlotte, Chicago, Dallas, Denver, Orlando, Phoenix, Portland and San Diego — with plans to reach 1,500 by year’s end. The company scaled up from 15 employees in 2019 to 54 by February, according to GeekWire.

    But as the pandemic worsened, sending Airbnb bookings plunging by 50% or more in some cities — with nightly rates following suit — the company acted fast to cut costs. It laid off 60% of its employees in late March, and slashed the number of homes it leased to just 465 by terminating early-stage contracts, Zhang said.”

  65. 1815
    Blurtman says:

    RE: Juststoppedby @ 1814 – Gold turns to Lead.

    Josh is a co-founder of Threshold. He currently holds board responsibilities at Box (NYSE: BOX), Chartbeat, Databook, LaunchDarkly, LendKey, Lumity, and Talkdesk. He is also actively involved with the firm’s investments in AngelList, Doximity, Front, Loftium and Rippling.

    Josh was named by Forbes to its annual Midas List of top technology investors in three consecutive years and was twice recognized as a “top VC investor” by New York Times / CB Insights in their annual rankings.

    https://threshold.vc

    Rippling – more flim flam. Perhaps changing the name to Ripple might help? Just don’t be the bag holder.

    Simplify Your Company’s HR & IT

    Manage employees’ payroll, benefits, devices, apps, and more—all in one platform that automates your
    manual work, like onboarding new hires.

    https://www.rippling.com

  66. 1816
    sfrz says:

    RE: Blurtman @ 1815 – Dead unicorn. They’re piling up.

  67. 1817
    David says:

    By softwarengineer @ 1811:

    Let’s Hope the Seattle Protest Mobs today don’t get VIOLENT with torching and rocks too, No One wants that

    https://summit.news/2020/05/29/rioter-were-gonna-start-coming-to-the-suburbs/

    Screaming “class clash MOBS with pitchforks and torches” heading for “MSFT Uber Rich Sammimish” to set it all on fire now too? Now I’m glad my HOA is walled off with a fence and no parking allowed. We’ll know more later tonight. Stay home, stay safe; in more ways than just Killer Flu now…

    https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIF.eWZ41hGyqCVPRlWaKBXocA&pid=Api&P=0&w=330&h=186

    Probably won’t be seeing this in Florida. In Florida, there is a stand your ground law and you cannot sue if the Grand Jury fails to indict. Florida means business.

    Floridians will kill yo’ MOB-ASS!! And laugh about it on Friday drinking a Pina Colada watching the sun set!

  68. 1818
    sfrz says:

    RE: David @ 1817 – Don’t go to Miami tomorrow.

  69. 1819
    Blurtman says:

    RE: David @ 1817 – “Screaming “class clash MOBS with pitchforks and torches” heading for “MSFT Uber Rich Sammimish” to set it all on fire now too?”

    We’ll mercilessly pelt those ruffians with brie cheese wheels and beluga sturgeon caviar tins.

  70. 1820
    Jeff says:

    By David @ 1817:

    By softwarengineer @ 1811:

    Floridians will kill yo’ MOB-ASS!! And laugh about it on Friday drinking a Pina Colada watching the sun set!

    There you go again with your violent fantasies. Better go get yer guns and get to work bro. Those celebratory Pina Coladas are awaitin’, served up by a nice big guy in a federal penitentiary who will inject that creamy drink right up your ass.

  71. 1821

    Friday evening a peaceful rally in Seattle’s International District turned destructive when part of the group starting moving downtown.
    Time to Put Elvira’s Old Spook Movies on TV, Only This Time They’re Non-Fiction in Seattle….a “Free Speech With Safe Killer Flu Spacing Civil Rights Demonstration” Quickly Morphs into a Destructive Violent Riot With “Out-of-State Thugs breaking the Seattle Uber Rich Store Windows as Mobs Steal the Uber Rich Blind. Time for a mug of MJB, some of you Seattle City Folks didn’t sleep good last night with sirens and police lights all over and read the brief:

    https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/seattle/seattle-protest-death-of-george-floyd/281-bba2f836-c4a2-48e1-b5df-189527e08a7d

    I included the King TV URL, its not pay per view like Seattle Times and ya can read the whole story now. The fun goes on and on tonight in Seattle too? Spreads to Seattle subburbs later?

    “…Flash bangs, pepper spray, and smoke bombs were deployed during the protest, with some minor injuries reported.

    At least seven people were arrested, including five accused of assaulting a police officer.

    Demonstrators broke glass at several properties downtown during Friday night’s march, including shattered windows at an Amazon Go store. …”

    SWE Take: This is a DESTRUCTIVE RIOT not a Demonstration. Use the right noun King News.

    The Saturday Seattle Times brief omitted this BIG STORY about the Seattle RIOTS last night anyway. Liberals don’t like bad news aimed at them by their own far left liberals’ violent thugs? LOL, I imagine a lot of far left violent minded Gen-Zs and Bernie folks that hate Biden’s Hypocritical/Greedy Establishment for the Uber Rich liberal folk joined this RIOT too…they certainly aren’t campaigning for Biden in 2020 with visible car bumper stickers . They have no candidate now and they’re mad as Hades? I call it “class clash” and I didn’t expect it this soon, Killer Flu isolation neurosis/madness is fueling the fires? Tonight we pray it stops now? But will it?

    A flash of lightening just went off over Kent as we prepare for the May Monsoon….its like a Stephen King book really happening now?

    Good News: I switched from Clancy High Tech Mafia tales to Anne Rice’s old Sleeping Beauty trilogy….its better to get your mind off reality now. Another flash of lightening hit Kent,,,expect heavy rains now….ominous.

  72. 1822

    Yet Non-essential Construction and Landscapers are Allowed to Cram four to a V-8 Tundra Truck with no Masks and Get a Still Receive a FULL Pay Check

    https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/YNQ7MPqnpbZ_AMqhGMxHBw–/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTcwNTtoPTQ3MC4yODkyMzA3NjkyMzA3Ng–/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/TQ3AUcXRpD3Ma2ceJvZOiQ–~B/aD0yMTY4O3c9MzI1MDtzbT0xO2FwcGlkPXl0YWNoeW9u/https://media.zenfs.com/en-us/usa_today_news_641/59a14ff3667284ee6586c6eda2ae14ad

    The Under Paid Class Clash mobs with window hammers are eyeing the Uber Rich $700K Homes in the Suburbs now?

  73. 1823
    David says:

    By Jeff @ 1820:

    By David @ 1817:

    By softwarengineer @ 1811:

    Floridians will kill yo’ MOB-ASS!! And laugh about it on Friday drinking a Pina Colada watching the sun set!

    There you go again with your violent fantasies. Better go get yer guns and get to work bro. Those celebratory Pina Coladas are awaitin’, served up by a nice big guy in a federal penitentiary who will inject that creamy drink right up your ass.

    Sounds like you know your p@nises!

    LOL. My PUBLIC high school had a shooting range located on it. Stay away from Texas and the South! Esp a gay mobstah!

  74. 1824
    Jeff says:

    Now you got P@nis envy eh? My dad taught me how to reload my own 9mm ammo while I was still in middle school, so your threats don’t worry me in the least. RE: David @ 1823

  75. 1825
    David says:

    By Jeff @ 1824:

    Now you got P@nis envy eh? My dad taught me how to reload my own 9mm ammo while I was still in middle school, so your threats don’t worry me in the least. RE: David @ 1823

    You just said you were p@nis wrangler – so I’m like -ooookaay.

  76. 1826
    Jeff says:

    RE: David @ 1825

    If you’ve never wrangled your own cock, it means you don’t have one dude, and if you do, you obviously don’t know how to use it or find it for that matter.

    As to your violent inclinations, it’s interesting how when Trumpanzees feel politically threatened, they threaten gun violence just like your dear leader. Now go and MAGAMF.

  77. 1827
    Voight-kampff says:

    Maybe you intended for your blog to become a dystopian seattle hodgepodge thunder-dome penis comparison comment hellscape,
    or maybe you didn’t.
    either way,
    The Tim, your website needs you.

  78. 1828
    Jeff says:

    RE: Voight-kampff @ 1827

    Good point, and sorry to get sucked into the muck with Dave. There’s just something in the way he moves me.

    Anyways, my wife and I just sold our small home on a few acres in Sedro-Woolley for 11% over what we bought it for a year ago! We listed it for 4% over and there was a healthy bidding spree amongst three perspective buyers, all from greater Seattle.

    The buyer wanted to live in a place with more space around, so the idea going around that folks are leaving the urban areas for the more rural suburbs seems legit at the moment. We’re happy renters at the now and will be looking to buy again once the market settles out a bit.

  79. 1829
    whatsmyname says:

    RE: Voight-kampff @ 1827

    Dystopian seattle hodgepodge thunder-dome penis comparison comment hellscape,
    1. is a jim dandy website name,
    2. would probably be outside the realm of any non-compete to which Tim is subject,
    3. would possibly attract as many real estate comments as we see here,
    4. would be less embarrassing to have in one’s web search history than Zero Hedge.

    Tim, I say go for it.

  80. 1830
    wreckingbull says:

    RE: Jeff @ 1828 – Just don’t move too far away from Woods Logging Supply, like I did. Now I have to plan my pilgrimages.

  81. 1831
    sfrz says:

    Desperate in Magnolia. Please Please give me some money. I’m hungry. BUT- not THAT hungry…YET.

    $5000 a month.
    Spectacular Magnolia View Home. Over 1650 sq. ft. of living space with private deck and sweeping views of Mount Rainier from this upper level flat. Beautifully furnished. Very private and quiet.

    Ideal for short-term or long-term corporate relocation, local move or remodel.
    https://hotpads.com/seattle-wa-98199-wdk6cq/pad-corporate-housing?border=false&lat=47.6497&lon=-122.3932&maxCreated=24&z=14

    Now, look at the calendar of the available dates on this site! WIDE OPEN for MONTHS. Gulp…. pour me another bartender. https://www.corporatehousingbyowner.com/properties/23271/
    All is well. We’ll ride this one out….

  82. 1832
    Jeff says:

    RE: wreckingbull @ 1830

    Nice to know Woolley has a good reputation with the urban folk. I’ll bet you stop by Oliver Hammer to shop their fine collection of work gear as well.

  83. 1833
    David says:

    By Jeff @ 1828:

    RE: Voight-kampff @ 1827

    Good point, and sorry to get sucked into the muck with Dave. There’s just something in the way he moves me.

    Anyways, my wife and I just sold our small home on a few acres in Sedro-Woolley for 11% over what we bought it for a year ago! We listed it for 4% over and there was a healthy bidding spree amongst three perspective buyers, all from greater Seattle.

    The buyer wanted to live in a place with more space around, so the idea going around that folks are leaving the urban areas for the more rural suburbs seems legit at the moment. We’re happy renters at the now and will be looking to buy again once the market settles out a bit.

    Just sounds like Jeff is an ANTIFA supporter whose ‘Daddy’ let him load his 9MM once. Apparently having no idea how pathetic that sounds.

    I simply replied to SWE about the rioting.

    Jeff should probably limit his activities to greater Seattle & Portland. LOL

  84. 1834
    David says:

    In the meantime, I walked down to watch the SpaceX rocket take men to the moon today. Tweaking Boeing’s nose in a most significant way. Impressive sight.

    The Seattle house I sold a few months ago was sold to a Boeing engineer. Hope he is ok.

    Hopefully this boosts the space industry up from where it is now. I’ve certainly seen a lot of folks moving into new housing around me. Plumbers were installing at a new pad across the street today.

  85. 1835
    Blurtman says:

    $905/sq.ft. and $6,000/year HOA for the privilege of the ocean view.

    Alki is a veritable bargain, just hit the tanning booths.

    https://www.redfin.com/CA/Solana-Beach/567-S-Sierra-Ave-92075/unit-87/home/170463857

  86. 1836
    Jeff says:

    RE: David @ 1833

    ANTIFA is a joke, but it’s funny how much energy folks on the far right spend vilifying a weak movement of liberal college kids that ostensibly stands for Anti-Fascism. If you’re really concerned about politically extreme thugs that actually have a history of killing many Americans, maybe you should focus on the White Nationalists or anti-gays, with whom I suspect your sympathies lie bro.

    There I go getting dragged back into the muck!

  87. 1837

    RE: David @ 1834
    Yes David:

    It was regurgitated NASA 60s technology and no landing re-usable 60s technology, Space Shuttle….I assume the SpaceX astronauts were hitching rides home from the Russians at the International Space Station? Or does that top capsule have and old fashion 50s para-shoot and our Navy retrieves it from the sea like they did with the space chimp? I see the real NASA controlled the Space Station docking to the International Space Station to prevent unskilled destruction?

    I watched the commercial 60s SpaceX “regurgitated” 60s technology go past the 1st stage separation [about 4 miles high] and knew then it was past the explosion error point, and gasped a breath of relief. We needed this SpaceX completion, albeit the controllers actually working it could tell you lot more about the launch ya don’t see on MSM. Boeing failed too David:

    “…That didn’t happen… at all. Boeing’s had a rough couple of years, and its recent failure to send the Starliner to the ISS without a crew aboard ensured that SpaceX would have the opportunity to send a crewed mission first. Meanwhile, Boeing still has to complete that unmanned mission before NASA will allow its astronauts to set foot inside the Starliner…”

    https://search.yahoo.com/search?p=boeing+involved+in+may+30%2C+2020+SpaceX+mission&fr=yfp-t&fp=1&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8

    SWE’s STEM/NASA take: Sounds like Boeing and SpaceX were at each others’ throats to get this NASA or FAA type certified first ISS dock and SpaceX is ahead of Seattle Boeing now? Read between the lines David IMO. Where’s the Seattle Boeing federal space money contract and its name, number of skilled engineers aboard? Boeing needs more experienced engineers and its gonna take 5-10 years to get them past the intern “green engineer” level….their Baby Boomer “rocket scientist” brains were laid off or retired already [NASA layoffs too, many returned to work designing dinosaur video games, literally too, LOL]….I watched it happen. MSM will never tell us the real truth about the destruction of NASA rocket scientists IMO.

    Seattle area Schools in 2021 have a lot more to worry about than just re-opening this Fall:

    https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/1-5-teachers-likely-not-161854226.html

    Its one thing to expect laid off workers to return to qualify for PPP loans [almost impossible it seems?] to small businesses; but good gosh, a teacher shortage this Fall because of almost certain flu contaminations anyway? The teachers are content to stay at home rather than “chance it” in public classrooms? The same conundrum as meat plant contamination hot spots like the Wuhan fish market? This affects U of W too?

    Good News: We still have lot of teleworking STEM skills that can substitute as effective school teacher replacements?

  88. 1838
  89. 1839

    The Data Changes and Resets Almost Daily For Almost Anything Now?

    https://apnews.com/54f1efe0afa71b0a939fda91cf917366

    SWE’s take: I just stopped by Kent Safeway yesterday….80% fat cheap burger is retailing at $7/b and that BOGO deal is closer to $4/lb IOWs….I got a Dave’s 1/2 lb Wendy’s double burger combo for $5 with coupon before the meat ran out…LOL…grab it up before its gone?

    I see Trump is on the rampage of China Hostility and Repression of freedom in Hong Kong is in the cross hairs now….he blames EU of aiding China repression of Hong Kong by taking a blind eye to it. It all floats down stream. It resets and changes daily now. The Class Clash Riots were caused by China sucking all the manufacturing jobs and leaving us depressed and poor [especially blacks in the inner cities] with just burgers to flip? Bubblehead opinions?

  90. 1840

    The Money Hungry Politicians on CSRS retirement Don’t Depend on Social Security

    A recently published opinion piece in The Hill from Andrew Biggs of the American Enterprise Institute and Joshua Rauh of the Hoover Institution calls for stimulus checks of, say, $5,000 to be paid to workers who voluntarily want to receive them. These $5,000 checks would be treated as loans from the Social Security trust fund, with an interest rate of between 1% and 1.5%, as outlined in the article.

    The catch is that taking this upfront loan from Social Security would mean having to delay the receipt of your initial Social Security payout, …LOL rob from Peter to Pay Paul IOWs?

    It all floats down stream.

  91. 1841
    Blurtman says:

    RE: softwarengineer @ 1839 – No worries, Biden will be these jobs back. /snark/

  92. 1842
    David says:

    By Jeff @ 1836:

    RE: David @ 1833

    ANTIFA is a joke, but it’s funny how much energy folks on the far right spend vilifying a weak movement of liberal college kids that ostensibly stands for Anti-Fascism. If you’re really concerned about politically extreme thugs that actually have a history of killing many Americans, maybe you should focus on the White Nationalists or anti-gays, with whom I suspect your sympathies lie bro.

    There I go getting dragged back into the muck!

    People that think like you are why I have refused to testify in a Seattle murder case (a serial killer). The ‘Woke-Folk’ of King County deserve the fruits of their thinking.

    I know of no other way than to concentrate the consequential actors in such a way that they eventually get-at the people enabling the behavior.*

    *Thinking of that case I had where ‘the fellas’ rolled through the higher end hood dragging people back into their homes from off the street – then rapin’ both ends and killing the WOKE-FOLK!

    Enjoy!!

  93. 1843
    Jeff says:

    RE: David @ 1842

    I do enjoy your comments as they shine a light on your deranged mind.

  94. 1844
    OA says:

    What a time to be alive. 2020 will be one for the books!

  95. 1845

    Killer Flu Killing Off Jobs After $600/Wk Care act Larger Unemployment [than pay working] Runs Out This Month, Now Drink Your MJB Before It Runs Out and read the brief:

    “…Two ICU nurses and an adult family home manager are among thousands of DACA recipients looking after COVID-19 patients and performing essential jobs during the pandemic. With a long-awaited Supreme Court decision on the Obama-era program for young immigrants due any day, some argue that the U.S. relies on these workers. But the politics, like everything related to immigration, are polarized. Read more…”

    SWE’s take: Your Motherland, Mexico, is in decrepit shape as the shortage of skilled nurses is making hospitals Wuhan Fish Market Killer Flu Hotspots….they need you back in Mexico to help out with a dire situation that’s FAR worse than Seattle:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/28/world/americas/virus-mexico-doctors.html

    “…Now, the pandemic is making matters much worse, sickening more than 11,000 Mexican health workers — one of the highest rates in the world — and depleting the already thin ranks in hospitals. ..”

    “…Reopening phases in Washington state: When you can get a haircut, go to the gym, or eat at restaurants as coronavirus lockdowns are lifted

    https://houserepublicans.wa.gov/2020/05/26/capitol-buzz-may-26-2020/

    SWE’s take: The information on re-opening is the Seattle Times pay per view …and vague as heck to date.

    “… A weekend of protests and looting has left some cities in a state of emergency and facing massive cleanups. Bellevue joined their numbers last night as high-end malls were broken into. A protest was underway when groups joined in and became “a force of destruction,” the police chief said. In Seattle, the mayor and police chief face questions over how officers acted amid the turmoil. But even as calls grow for greater scrutiny of police, Seattle officials are trying to go in the opposite direction, columnist Naomi Ishisaka writes. Meanwhile, downtown Seattle business owners are reeling. A bright spot: the local residents who pitched in to clean up…”

    SWE’s take: Bellevue and Sammamash…MSFT Country and homes/businesses affected by recent riots. They smash the glass down on like “high end” shops and loot the most costly stuff in the store, laughing gangs of thugs….horrifying. Maybe they can get more pull down metal store window shields that repel tossed bricks? That’s costly too. Riot caused insurance claims? How’s that working? This may take years of litigation to pay for it….just like the Mueller Probe.

    “…The West Seattle Bridge crisis came as a surprise, but plenty of other aging Seattle bridges are also vulnerable. Dozens have lower overall ratings than the now-closed span…”

    SWE’s take: Our Seattle area freeways were designed in the 60s and clogged like parking lots now. The bridges are older than that around Seattle and rusted/crumbled museum pieces now? Hades, even the Space Needle was built 60 years ago…LOL…paint over the rust, then its fixed?

    Good News: Phase 1 Killer Flu opening rules depend on budgets out of whack, rusted infrastructure, clogged freeways and closed road locations for parks…IOWs, its like Stephen King’s “The Fog”, clear as mud? Its good news because we know its a hopeless mess anyway and we might as well smile…

  96. 1846
    David says:

    By Jeff @ 1843:

    RE: David @ 1842

    I do enjoy your comments as they shine a light on your deranged mind.

    I do wish they would burn more Target stores & Starbucks.

  97. 1847

    RE: OA @ 1844

    Today is my Anniversary. 30 years in Real Estate. Put my original Agent Photo up as my Gravatar. :) We had really big phones back then…with cords on them.

  98. 1848
    sfrz says:

    Wonder if the Stealtor should add that Deep Purple vibe for this one? Have “Smoke on the Water” playing as they walk in (virtually). That may help. Maybe not. Been on the market for 100 days.
    I KNOW what’ll help it. Get me that saw. Let’s start sawin’ and slashin’.
    https://www.redfin.com/WA/Seattle/1500-4th-Ave-98101/unit-703/home/57801
    2b/2ba 1832 sqft $899k

  99. 1849
    sfrz says:

    Ouch. That’s a negative. Big $12k and falling negative. Bought in 2018 $612k. Now, begging to get away from the hoards of unfed rats for $600k. AND- have to pay a used house saleperson commission! But let’s describe it as “for those with discerning taste.”
    DONK.

    https://www.redfin.com/WA/Seattle/1500-4th-Ave-98101/unit-703/home/57801 1b/1ba 795sqft

  100. 1850
    OA says:

    RE: Ardell DellaLoggia @ 1847

    Congratulations! I remember those lol

  101. 1851
    David says:

    No looters anywhere near where I live. Business is booming here. Houses being built with construciton workers onsite.

    Received an alert from the Sheriff to wit:

    “The people in Polk County like guns, they have guns, I encourage them to own guns… And if you try to break into their homes to steal, to set fires, I’m highly recommending they blow you back out of the house with their guns.”

  102. 1852
    northender says:

    RE: David @ 1851
    Here the message is close to loot at will. There’s a curfew for the whole city but if you want to protest that’s ok. It’s pathetic.

  103. 1853
    whatsmyname says:

    By David @ 1851:

    Received an alert from the Sheriff to wit:

    “The people in Polk County like guns, they have guns, I encourage them to own guns… And if you try to break into their homes to steal, to set fires, I’m highly recommending they blow you back out of the house with their guns.”

    One wonders what people are saying about you to the sheriff that he would send you such a pointed warning.

  104. 1854
    David says:

    By whatsmyname @ 1853:

    By David @ 1851:

    Received an alert from the Sheriff to wit:

    “The people in Polk County like guns, they have guns, I encourage them to own guns… And if you try to break into their homes to steal, to set fires, I’m highly recommending they blow you back out of the house with their guns.”

    One wonders what people are saying about you to the sheriff that he would send you such a pointed warning.

    LOL. People who know me, know that I have done it (several times in inner-city Atlanta) and would do it again. I’ve been involved with several shootings and killings directly (first-person) over the years.

    When I was a kid, someone shot our house. Because I was underage and knew it, I went after them with a gun and we never had a problem again. #thuglife

    I also had a girlfriend murdered in my immediate presence when I lived in Wash. D.C. Note that I am still alive.

  105. 1855

    Hey Bubbbleheads, Thanks for your Apparent Honesty David, That is Very Brave [Toastmasters Defined Anyway] and Ardelle, You Have a Wonderful Past and a Life to be Proud of too…Thanks for Sharing Personal Stuff. Now, I’m Not Sharing My MJB With You Moochers, Ya Need to Brew Your Own and read the brief:

    “… Scrutiny of Seattle police intensifies as another protest turns violent
    Hundreds of people gather at Seattle City Hall yesterday during a protest over the death of George Floyd before marching peacefully to Capitol Hill, where some officers joined them in taking a knee. But events took a violent turn, and police used flash-bang grenades and tear gas. Videos and our updates from last night show how those events unfolded along with other protests across the region. They came on the same day the Seattle City Council questioned the police response and independent investigators began tackling about 12,000 complaints related to the demonstrations. (Photo: Dean Rutz / The Seattle Times) …”

    SWE Take: They target violence directly at Seattle Police now, all the “violent thugs” mixed in with peaceful protesters do now [you can tell the professional violent thug enemy, they wear all black with face coverings and carry organized tool bags of destruction and/or looted stash in their arms]. Curfew a 6PM in Seattle now as illegal HOARDS block the streets in Seattle anyway?….the only way I’d travel Seattle City Limits lately is in a M1 Tank? LOL….the same thing happened in Viet Nam, innocent children were mixed in with the North Vietnamese enemy with concealed bomb pack for American soldiers….they do this in the Mid East too. Its like Killer Flu, they become an invisible plague that way.

    “… President Donald Trump threatened yesterday to deploy the military to U.S. streets — an intervention rarely seen in modern history — if governors don’t stamp out violent protests. (Gov. Jay Inslee didn’t take kindly to Trump suggesting governors are being “weak.”) Then tear gas cleared a path through protesters for Trump’s walk to a church, where he posed for photos while holding a Bible. The D.C. bishop was outraged.
    Four police officers were shot yesterday in St. Louis, Mo., and one was shot in Las Vegas. And as violence engulfs more cities, the death toll is mounting. Here are some of the people who have died…”

    SWE’s Take: I also saw many police hugging and joining in with the peaceful protestors and it was black and white folks hugging each other [I guess that’s OK, even with Killer Flu still around]….its the domestic terror group [minority?] infiltration I’d worry about. They should have charged that bad MN cop for 1st degree murder and let a jury decide, 3rd degree murder with a knee pressed down on his throat for minutes is HORRIFYING and luke warm prosecution IMO.

    “… Seattle’s corporate giants are denouncing racism, but some are coming under fire for their lack of action. Joe Biden is vowing to fight institutional racism as he tries to elevate his voice on the exploding national scene. Biden may clinch the Democratic nomination today as voters face a wild array of obstacles….”

    SWE’s Take: Why all the partisan finger pointing during a Killer Flu Pandemic? The GOP did not generate the Wuhan Killer Flu in a laboratory [or invade Hong Kong with “Chinese Killer Police”] and caused this unemployed/underemployed Class Clash….its just become another phony Kavanaugh/Mueller witch hunt to smear Trump because DNC lacks an American manufacturing agenda with higher wages or like High Tech, hire subpar foreign H-1Bs to replace Americans unnecessarily and “greedily” lowering wages. Corruption and smear campaigns, just like organized crime.

    “…Ballard has a cool new female rock band and the Inslee stay at home order was lifted Sunday…”

    SWE’s Take: Only 31% plan to eat out this June anyway, the bars/restaurants can’t afford to open anyway and Seattle is a closed down “riot” curfew broken glass and burned mess anyway?

    http://click.email.seattletimes.com/?qs=d85d0e3ac06ccda60b76685590fa580a51bce3084b9e0ab34087c417687e679a9a36e093a0c1c60417bb72525556cb53d2461ba7a072d2ca

    Good News: The cover charge, $15 hamburgers, $15 parking with $10 drinks would suck ya dry anyway….MACA Make America Cook Again? LOL

    “…

  106. 1856
    Jeff says:

    RE: David @ 1854

    It would appear that gun violence is attracted to you like a fly on sh*t. Or more likely you flow toward gun violence like sh*t to the sewer. No wonder you’re a paranoid SOB.

  107. 1857

    The $600/wk Increase Unemployment Income Care Act Money is Sucked Dry Now

    Unemployment= not enough for Seattle area rents now?

    BECU just added this to their bank website help:

    https://www.becu.org/articles/facing-a-layoff

    Good News: When ya made like $20/hr working and before ya got laid off ya couldn’t afford Seattle Super Sized Rents either…LOL

  108. 1858
    sfrz says:

    RE: softwarengineer @ 1855 – Thank you for honesty? This isn’t Kent Toastmasters or Gun Violence addiction recovery, or Florida Lowe’s “Who’s Packing Patrol.” This is Seattle Bubble. Why do you keep using this site for your personal diary/blog? Everyone, including the Tim, have asked you to cool it. If you want people to stay in touch with you, exchange contact info.

  109. 1859
    QA Observer says:

    RE: sfrz @ 1849

    Downtown Seattle residential and commercial real estate will crash. No one wants to buy anything in the center of civil unrest, open air drug dealing, and three open-air shootings all in the past 9 months. Wait until the PPP dries up on July 31.

    Seattle is on its way, if not already, a S-hole city.

  110. 1860
    sfrz says:

    RE: QA Observer @ 1859 – Remember? “Last one out, turn off the lights.”

  111. 1861
    sfrz says:

    SEA Furnished STR are peppering into the LTR. Offering monthly, 6 months or yearly. Negotiating on W/S/G, cleaning services, and lawn care. Over 200 furnished listings currently available on HotPads. Those will soon turn into “For Sale” if they start to sweat. Still in the denial phase.

  112. 1862
    David says:

    By Jeff @ 1856:

    RE: David @ 1854

    It would appear that gun violence is attracted to you like a fly on sh*t. Or more likely you flow toward gun violence like sh*t to the sewer. No wonder you’re a paranoid SOB.

    LOL. I’m not paranoid. Just living the dream of diversity. I tend to avoid situations or places that cause problems like that. Though I did still manage to run into a Seattle-Serial-Killer. I mean just Dayam.

    However, I am extremely aggressive when the problems happen – unrelenting, mean, scary intense without remorse, and truly violent.

    So maybe you should call your dad and see if he’ll let you load his 9MM again so you can sleep better at night. Ask all nice-like. lol.

    BTW, still no ANTIFA action down here! Cuz they know what will happen – target practice!

  113. 1863
    QA Observer says:

    By David @ 1862:

    By Jeff @ 1856:

    RE: David @ 1854

    It would appear that gun violence is attracted to you like a fly on sh*t. Or more likely you flow toward gun violence like sh*t to the sewer. No wonder you’re a paranoid SOB.

    BTW, still no ANTIFA action down here! Cuz they know what will happen – target practice!

    Umm, @The Tim can you block this person that is inciting violence?

  114. 1864

    RE: sfrz @ 1858

    Where’s Your Honesty Pal? Toastmasters is considered better Communications Education than University Level BTW.

    You simply hate me, be honest for once and stop speaking for Tim like you’re some kind of seer.

    Well’s Fargo is cancelling loans for independent dealerships; I wondered if crashed automobile sales would make used cars more valuable, not if ya want a loan pal…..sound like USED CARS should get cheaper now. Loans shut down?

    https://leprent.com/2020/06/02/wells-fargo-worried-about-defaults-stops-making-loans-to-most-independent-car-dealerships/

    BTW…ya can call him David by name, not some HATE name to cause anger. I don’t always agree with David either, but he does a right to peaceful protests doesn’t he? Just like Martin Luther King Jr. Did you get laid off and you turned Socialist bent now?

  115. 1865
    sfrz says:

    RE: softwarengineer @ 1864 – I’m not a seer. Tim posted. You saw it. I’m not speaking for him.

  116. 1866
    wreckingbull says:

    By Ardell DellaLoggia @ 1847:

    RE: OA @ 1844

    Today is my Anniversary. 30 years in Real Estate. Put my original Agent Photo up as my Gravatar. :) We had really big phones back then…with cords on them.

    Those were the days…when an agent packed a 3 watt Motorola bag phone complete with AGM sealed lead acid battery and shoulder strap. I remember one woman at a bar trying to impress everyone….she looked like an Army field communications officer.

  117. 1867
    wreckingbull says:

    By sfrz @ 1861:

    SEA Furnished STR are peppering into the LTR. Offering monthly, 6 months or yearly. Negotiating on W/S/G, cleaning services, and lawn care. Over 200 furnished listings currently available on HotPads. Those will soon turn into “For Sale” if they start to sweat. Still in the denial phase.

    Have no fear. Condolord Erik will be purchasing them at 2020 prices. Cash flow negative properties will get preferential treatment however.

  118. 1868
    Juststoppedby says:

    By sfrz @ 1865:

    RE: softwarengineer @ 1864 – I’m not a seer. Tim posted. You saw it. I’m not speaking for him.

    SWE, Ever been to a local bar/tavern where you can tell that the owner put some time and effort into trying to make it a decent place, but there were a handful of “locals” (knuckleheads) who ruined it for everybody?

    You know the type of local… The ones that get confused and think the bar is their own personal living room, and that they are what keeps the place going.

    Regular folks will drop in and try it out from time to time, but the loudmouths and self centered, annoying personalities keep turning them away.

    People like you and David are the bubble’s version of annoying locals that ruin the place for the owner and most everybody else.

    Do you have a right to be here? Sure, just like those pain in the ass regulars that ruin the experience for most everybody else in the neighborhood bar…

    A good crew of regulars can be awesome, but the other kind are just plain painful.

  119. 1869
    Blurtman says:

    How much will taxes go up to make up for:

    1. Decreased revenue due to the destroyed economy.

    2. Suzi’s 100 million dollar Nigerian give-away.

    Sales tax, property tax, car tabs, gas tax, etc. have room to grow. Increasing taxes on surviving small business probably a no-go. But surely MicroSoft and Amazon can pay more. Probably not Boeing or Expedia. Maybe income tax can be introduced. Just temporarily, mind you….

  120. 1870
    Jeff says:

    RE: David @ 1862

    From David: “maybe you should call your dad and see if he’ll let you load his 9MM again so you can sleep better at night”

    Dear David, My dad sold his last handgun since his aim has deteriorated as he’s aged. Now he owns a short barrel shotgun for self defense, seeing how one barely has to point to hit the target with one of them. It’s the collateral damage I’m worried about in his case, as he’s a bit high strung and prone to trigger happiness much like yourself, David. Unlike you, he knows better than to mask his paranoia with machismo on public internet forums.

    I’ll load my own 9mm thank you very much, but I mostly use it to humanely dispatch various home grown livestock I raise for the sustenance of my blessed family.

  121. 1871
    David says:

    RE: Jeff @ 1870 – You have homegrown livestock in Seattle? Are you shooting chickens? Squirrels?

  122. 1872

    RE: wreckingbull @ 1866

    I didn’t get my bag phone untill 1992 or 1993. We probably used them as much as you use your cell phone to call someone. Then the bag phones were installed into the cars. Then we got cell phones.

  123. 1873
    Jeff says:

    RE: David @ 1871

    I live in Sedro-Woolley with all them woke loggers, many of whom are my friends and colleagues. In addition to chickens, I’ve raised pigs, sheep, goats, turkeys, ducks, geese, and other farm critters, all of which I’ve turned into food for my family. I’ve also trained and plunked around with AR’s, and many other variety of firearms. Yes, even some of us libtards like playing with guns. We just don’t glorify stupidity.

  124. 1874
    Jeff says:

    RE: David @ 1871

    Heck, I’ve even raised guinea hens and meal worms for food. Oh yeah, I grow a mean garden and can hunt and fish to help sustain our community too. The greatest thing about all these skills is they’re super fun and a great thing to teach our children. So I’m kind of ready and getting readier for your Trumpanzee apocalyptic fantasy. Now get off the beach and out of the bar and go out and MAGA already.

  125. 1875
    DavidE says:

    It hasn’t been this hard to get a mortgage in more than five years

    The data comes courtesy of the Mortgage Bankers Association, which reported Thursday that its Mortgage Credit Availability Index fell to 133.5 in April. A decline in the MCAI indicates that lending standards are tightening, meaning it is getting more difficult to get a mortgage.

    According to the MBA, the MCAI fell by 12.2% in April, down from 152.1 in March. That figure was down 16.1% from February, showing just how much harder it’s gotten to get a mortgage since the coronavirus first began spreading in the U.S.

    https://www.housingwire.com/articles/it-hasnt-been-this-hard-to-get-a-mortgage-in-more-than-five-years/

  126. 1876
    Blurtman says:

    RE: Jeff @ 1873 – Do you think you will ever become woke enough to cease consuming the muscles and organs of sentient beings?

    What would you do if a mob invaded your property and began stealing your pigs, sheep, goats, turkeys, ducks, geese, and other farm critters?

  127. 1877
    Jeff says:

    RE: Blurtman @ 1876

    I’d say if they were vegan, then they probably wouldn’t have the strength to put up much of a fight. What I would do first is offer them a hearty meal, and would encourage them to eat some healthy home grown meat. Once they’ve been satiated, I’d hand them a hoe and teach them to farm. Once they’ve learned to farm, I’d teach them to hunt. Once they’ve learned to hunt, I’d teach them to reload their own ammo.

  128. 1878
    Jeff says:

    RE: Blurtman @ 1876

    This would be a very lucky mob to end up at my homestead. Most folks in these parts wouldn’t be nearly as lenient. Sometimes I wake up pre-dawn on rainy winter mornings to hear neighbors training with their AR’s. They seem to like training in the most adverse conditions, so I wouldn’t recommend going after their tofurkey.

    Of course, I heard that gunfire a lot more during the Obama years, and they seem to have gotten a little lazy during the Trump years. Really, I’m worried way more by them, than by the urban mobs that wouldn’t know what to do with pitch forks if they had any.

    I would suggest you spend less time complaining about taxes and the government and learn to raise your own tofurkey.

  129. 1879
    Eastsider says:

    Jeff –

    Your message has been heard. Time to chill. Thanks.

  130. 1880
    Jeff says:

    RE: Eastsider @ 1879

    That’s nice. What by the way is my message? I was just responding to comments directed to me from David and Blurtman. And now I’m responding to yours.

    I’m not asking you to sit down with a cup of Yuban and read the morning paper with me after all. I used to be annoyed by SWE’s long posts like many others, but now I see him as one of the essential interesting cast of characters here on Seattle Bubbles and have learned to appreciate him. Not sure if I’ll ever make the roster.

  131. 1881
    Blurtman says:

    RE: Jeff @ 1878 – Yes, I am getting up to speed on my garden. I don’t use pesticides and my broccoli got decimated last year. Tomatoes, peppers and strawberries did well. COVID-19 paranoia kept me away from the nurseries this year, and I got a late start on buying seeds, so it’s next year for the old garden. In the mean time, there has been no shortage of veggies in the supermarkets.

    I understand that it is not unusual for folks to have pet pigs. And yet the consumption of dogs and cats is frowned upon. Viewing one too many slaughterhouse Youtube vids convinced me to become a vegetarian. It seems clear that the animals can feel fear, and of course, pain.

  132. 1882
    Blurtman says:

    RE: Eastsider @ 1879 – Complaints about off topic posts are not uncommon, and understandable. Quite a few blogs use moderators and/or the blog owner to censor. One result is the creation of an echo chamber that reflects the views of the owner and like-minded readers. It has to be a pain to continually keep up with the posts. I think Tim offers a subscription service, so perhaps this is done there? But to demand service without payment seems a bit un-American, no?

  133. 1883
    Jeff says:

    RE: Blurtman @ 1881

    Yes, animals can feel fear and pain, but they can also feel love. We love our animals, and when the time has come to turn them into food, we make sure they have little to no fear. I’ll probably fear my own death much more than most animals I’ve raised.

    It’s great you’re into gardening generally but too bad it’s not happening for you this year. I’m seeing way more folks gardening this year than ever before and really hope the habit sticks. You know, you could save your own seeds or order them by mail. Times of crisis are the most important times to participate in the hobby of community self sufficiency.

    Have you ever read “The Secret Life of Plants”? There is reason to consider that plants feel pain and fear too. Stevie Wonder made an amazing album to accompany the documentary made about the book.

  134. 1884
    Jeff says:

    RE: Blurtman @ 1881

    If I was in a family’s home in Vietnam and offered dog, I’d most certainly try it, especially if it was a yellow one. Not sure about cats.

  135. 1885
    David says:

    By Jeff @ 1873:

    RE: David @ 1871

    I live in Sedro-Woolley with all them woke loggers, many of whom are my friends and colleagues. In addition to chickens, I’ve raised pigs, sheep, goats, turkeys, ducks, geese, and other farm critters, all of which I’ve turned into food for my family. I’ve also trained and plunked around with AR’s, and many other variety of firearms. Yes, even some of us libtards like playing with guns. We just don’t glorify stupidity.

    You managed to move to an area that is 80% white and 1.5% black.

    You have attained the rarified status of being a ‘race relations’ expert who raises pigs:

    – in a mostly lilly-white community.
    – sympathetic to ANTIFA

    It is time for you to move to Baltimore and get with a life of fortitude. Dedicated to wiping out the pestilence of your whiteness. Don’t pollute the World with light-skinned babies either fella!! Get your mole-rat snipped.

    NOW! Live IT, Don’t preach it.

  136. 1886

    RE: David @ 1842

    Hey David Here’s the Seattle Area News Ya can’t Get on MSM generally for last night:

    They’re extending the Seattle 9PM curfew until June 6 2020. But they allege its mostly peaceful with just 86 arrests for MASS property damage to store front glass, etc….looting is big too, but how big? So fill your mug with MJB and partially ignore what our “tax and spend” Seattle Mayor tells us? Read the brief:

    “… Seattle mayor to meet with protest organizers today
    After days of protests in Seattle, Mayor Jenny Durkan promised thousands of demonstrators that she’ll meet with their organizers today to start creating a plan for addressing police accountability and racial justice. There were limits on what she agreed to, and the city indicated it doesn’t expect the protests over the death of George Floyd, a Black man killed by a white police officer in Minnesota, to subside soon. Seattle’s overnight curfews will continue through Saturday morning. Find today’s live updates here. (Photo: Dean Rutz / The Seattle Times)..”

    SWE’s take: How about arresting the MASS looters and anarchists during a peaceful riot [snarc]? LOL…she’ll probably want another city income tax on the innocent legal citizen store owners to pay for the riot destructions….dig deep Bubbleheads….LOL

    “… Last night’s Seattle protests were peaceful until just before midnight, when police used tear gas and flash-bang grenades against protesters on Capitol Hill. Here’s how the day unfolded. The use of the military-style percussion devices came despite recommendations; learn how they work and why they’re controversial…”

    SWE’s Take: During the Battle of Seattle, the Patriot protesters against the “WTO and Clinton” were tear gassed and rubber bulleted in 1999 on Capital Hill…but that was NWO/WTO Clinton bent..its OK then? But not now, since its NWO/WTO [antifa???] are doing the violence now, in my book its “flat table” and over reach of “peaceful protest”turning to violence is evil. Period. No partisan contradiction, just simple rule of law.

    “… Don’t buy the “outside agitator” trope, columnist Danny Westneat writes. As various officials point the finger at outsiders or shadowy national conspiracies, arrest records suggest Seattle’s rioting last weekend was more likely homegrown…”

    SWE’s Take: That’s not what the MN Democrat Mayor states, its just the opposite:

    https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/500268-st-paul-mayor-says-arrested-protesters-were-from-out-of-state

    Who’s right? The Tooth Fairy? LOL….personally do any of you trust our tax and spend Seattle Mayor on this topic?

    “… Gov. Jay Inslee has extended his emergency order halting evictions and freezing new rent hikes. He also handed down guidance on reopening libraries and drive-in theaters. Find today’s live updates here, along with our handy county-by-county breakdown of what you can do and when…”

    SWE’s take: Any Tenant can Lose Their Job and need eviction, any tenant. But for now, the deadbeats can live rent free landlords….for months? Years? LOL

    “… Seattle Public Schools will soon decide what the fall will look like, and all scenarios involve remote learning. Statewide, a work group yesterday began mapping out how everything from buses to school lunch could change…”

    SWE’s Take: Computer based Schools [remote learning] are a complete joke.

    “…Home sales are going strong in Western Washington, but the number of new listings has been below last year’s level since the coronavirus crisis intensified, our Coronavirus Economy chart shows. That could make for an interesting summer…”

    SWE’s take: The buyers evidently are low IQ and think less listings means bargains….LOL….I’d wait on a used car purchase similarly, with banks pulling out of the “0% 84 month Kia type loans”, the car buyers eat cake now? Don’t expect that new rig to hold its value either as this happens. Grab up a ” 3 year old” low mileage used car with 20K on the odometer for like $8K now???

    “…President Trump’s failed leadership through successive crises, and his disregard for America’s core values and its Constitution, demand Congress step up and provide leadership the United States desperately needs, writes The Seattle Times editorial board…”

    SWE’s take: Does Seattle Times ever say anything good about Trump? I see the stock market is above 26000 today…most of the Killer flu DOW Losses gone now…but that was Obama’s/Biden’s credit? LOL

    Good News: The sporadic 9 PM curfew information on the Seattle Area exists all over but is rarely publicized clearly by the MSM. Is it even enforceable Inslee, it sure doesn’t apply to the “peaceful protesters”? LOL…they ignore it anyway.

  137. 1887
    David says:

    RE: softwarengineer @ 1886 – Yeah, Seattle police should go on strike and abandon Seattle for a month.

    Let the people enjoy the people.

  138. 1888
    Jeff says:

    RE: David @ 1885

    Yeah, black people aren’t so common around here but Hispanics are. I do happen to have a black friend who’s a logger in these parts. If his white crew buddies caught you spouting off in person like you do here in your online safe space, your bruised ego and ass would probably go away and hide for a while and maybe eventually you’d learn to be a real man. Come on over and I’ll give you a personal tour of Sedro-Woolley hospitality. Oh wait, you’re probably drunk on mai tais oogling over underage girls at the beach. Now hurry up and MAGAMF.

  139. 1889
    sfrz says:

    RE: Jeff @ 1828 – I think you are correct. The trend is gaining traction. People and companies are making that decision to spread out. You are lucky to get out when you did. Now just enjoy the popcorn.

    https://sf.curbed.com/2020/6/2/21277355/san-francisco-rent-prices-coronavirus-2020-may
    S.F. sees ‘unprecedented’ drop in rent prices
    “Zumper, the San Francisco–based apartment-rental site, just released its latest rent figures and, according to CEO Anthemos Georgiades, the ‘price drops are unprecedented’ in the seven-plus years the company has published rent reports. ‘All this talk of people leaving S.F. for a future of remote work is now backed up by hard data.’”

    “Georgiades isn’t being hyperbolic. Per Zumper’s report, one-bedroom rents in S.F. fell 9.2 percent year over year in May, the largest S.F. drop ever in the history of the company’s monthly reports and the lowest price point in over three years. The average price for a one-bedroom in S.F. stands at $3,360; it was at $3,700 the same time last year.”

    “The plummeting numbers fell even further down in Silicon Valley. In Mountain View the price for a one-bedroom home dropped 15.9 percent in consecutive years in May. Menlo Park saw a 14.1 percent tumble, while Cupertino and Palo Alto saw prices plunge 14.3 percent and 10.8 percent, respectively. Georgiades says that these rent drops may be even higher than the company’s published data, ‘since some landlords conceal price drops in ‘lease specials’ like six weeks of free rent to move in.’”

    “A cursory glance on Craigslist reveals major price cuts, with landlords all but begging you to sign a lease: ‘Newly Reduced Rate’ reads the headline for a new East Cut studio offering eight free weeks, while this contemporary SoMa loft dangles ten weeks of rent-free living to interested takers. ‘I’ve never seen anybody giving that much free rent as an incentive the whole time I’ve lived here, since 2003,’ Bay Area property manager and landlord Carlos Carbajal tells KQED.”

    (from The Housing Bubble Blog)
    octal77
    June 3, 2020 at 8:51 am
    “…‘All this talk of people leaving S.F. for a future of remote work is now backed up by hard data….’”

    I work for a Fortune 50 company with a strong presence in the SF area.

    (Me personally works/lives in Orange County).

    Our company pushed everyone [except for essential network IT, etc] out of our offices mid March with the start of the Covid-19 panic.

    Since then my own informal survey indicates *not one single individual* wants to return to the office. Everyone likes working from home. Less commute stress, less politics, fewer distractions, no dress code, etc, and [most important], productivity is the same or even up in many cases.

    More to the point. Corporate management video conference last week stated that company is “rethinking” the need for company to spend megabucks on huge office complexes. Translation: The era of the large office complex has seen its day. (Yet another example of ‘Follow the money’)

    Absolutely no reason now for any employee to spend $$mm on some cracker box just to be commute close to work anymore. Live where you damn well please.

    Ladies and Gentlemen: Elvis has left the building.

  140. 1890
    Blurtman says:

    The upside of looting, arson and murder:

    Massachusetts Attorney General Compares Riots To Fires That Help Forests Grow

    https://newbostonpost.com/2020/06/02/massachusetts-attorney-general-compares-riots-to-fires-that-help-forests-grow/

  141. 1891
    Jeff says:

    RE: Blurtman @ 1890

    Speaking of silly comparisons, Hitler was a vegetarian too. He actually accidentally killed his dog by insisting on feeding it an exclusively vegetarian diet.

    I can tell you my mom wasn’t even aware of the George Floyd murder until the looting in Bellevue Square was reported. Then she was very concerned about the looting and rioting, and oh yeah, Floyd’s murder was kinda tragic also, but mostly as an afterthought. It’s unfortunate that for many Americans, they couldn’t care less about racially biased police brutality until things get scary for them personally.

    Something tells me I’ll get a comment from Yellow Dog David associating me with ANTIFA for this one. Oh well, there could be worse things than being labeled as an anti-fascist.

  142. 1892
    sfrz says:

    RE: sfrz @ 1889 – Hey “b”! If you’re on this blog, thank you for your insight! Wouldn’t that be a kick. Live on the islands, with an occasional cruise in. Who needs to live in a box, and pay these taxes? It’s a new world.
    (from The Housing Bubble Blog)
    b
    June 3, 2020 at 10:24 am
    i think i have mentioned it before – talking (in the last 2 weeks) to my management level/GM friends at major high tech cos in both the Seattle area and the valley ….

    The working game plan is that Sr and Principal level engineers will be allowed to work from home — if they will attend key meetings (like major design reviews) once a week or two weeks.

    So fanciful locations like Hawaii or Tahiti or Bali are out. But if you are 2-3 hours out of Silicon Valley or Seattle and willing to get up early and commute for 3 hours each way that day once a week or 2 … you are good.

    Imagine working for Amazon AWS or Microsoft Azure or HBO or F5 – but living on 1) the San Juan islands or 2) a mountain golf course like Leavenworth. Why would you want to live in overpriced housing in the Seattle area.

  143. 1893
    Blurtman says:

    RE: Jeff @ 1891 – Perhaps the only thing worse than an ex-meat eater preaching vegetarianism is an ex-smoker harping on the dangers of cigarettes. (Twice guilty.)

    One humorous off-shoot of the tragic Floyd murder is the large number of virtue signaling libtards changing their Facebook photos to black squares. Of course, as it wasn’t trendy to protest the horrendous murder rates of black men in Chicago and Baltimore, not a prior peep from these hypocrites. But some people are letting them have it, nonetheless:

    Black Lives Matter Is a Joke’ — Black D.C. Resident Tells Far-Left Group ‘Go to Chicago’
    https://youtu.be/ItopNgRQiuY

  144. 1894

    RE: Blurtman @ 1882

    “Posts” are the things Tim writes. Off topic comments usually means off topic to the post attached to the comments. This Post. Tim’s Post. Well, it didn’t have a topic did it? So this is an Open Thread until Tim writes one that has a topic to be “on”. :)

    The main question that prevents any predictions is what will happen to the market if Biden gets elected and not Trump? For that matter, how will the markets react if Trump is re-elected? No one can predict the market until we know who the next President will be. What if they both die of COVID before we have an election? What if one dies while in office given their age?

    There is no way to predict based on today’s data what will come in the next 12 to 18 months. The list of closed companies is still growing. The list of permanent layoffs and closings are still coming. At the moment they are still saying people can’t work, giving them unemployment over and above what they make when working and then using the unemployment numbers to try to turn the election. 2 people can’t work in one space to get a haircut and 60,000 people can crowd together outside to protest. The incongruencies are mind boggling.

  145. 1895
    David says:

    By Jeff @ 1888:

    RE: David @ 1885

    Yeah, black people aren’t so common around here but Hispanics are. I do happen to have a black friend who’s a logger in these parts. If his white crew buddies caught you spouting off in person like you do here in your online safe space, your bruised ego and ass would probably go away and hide for a while and maybe eventually you’d learn to be a real man. Come on over and I’ll give you a personal tour of Sedro-Woolley hospitality. Oh wait, you’re probably drunk on mai tais oogling over underage girls at the beach. Now hurry up and MAGAMF.

    Jeff has a black ‘friend’! Apparently totally tone-deaf as to how racist that sounds.

  146. 1896
    N says:

    By Ardell DellaLoggia @ 1894:

    RE: Blurtman @ 1882

    The list of closed companies is still growing. The list of permanent layoffs and closings are still coming.

    The Boeing layoffs will not be a one off. Alaska most definitely is laying folks off in October, Holland America announced layoffs, Expedia had layoffs before this all started. Many Boeing suppliers as well and it’s within the realm of possibility that this bleeds to many local industries. The local megacorp I work for has told everyone no merit increases this year and trimming temp labor and consultants as well as leaving open roles unfilled where possible. On the plus side, Amazon seems to be the one place with lots of job postings still out there.

  147. 1897
    Jeff says:

    RE: David @ 1895

    Hilarious that the yellow dog would be preaching about racism. It’s irrelevant how many black or brown friends I have. I honestly don’t have that many. Society naturally tends to sifts us into relatively narrow racial/political social groups. It takes effort to swim against that stream, and I do a little bit.

    What is relevant to racism are the many statements of yours such as: “Don’t pollute the World with light-skinned babies either fella!!”

    What’s also relevant is that I’d put my own neck on the line for the few brown skinned friends I have, and many more that aren’t personal friends. Go MAGAMF

  148. 1898
    David says:

    By Jeff @ 1888:

    RE: David @ 1885 – Oh wait, you’re probably drunk on mai tais oogling over underage girls at the beach. Now hurry up and MAGAMF.

    The younger gals of about 20 are my pref.

    Their mothers are more like watching an updated Baywatch:” Boobwatch – The Tide Goes out”.

  149. 1899
    Jeff says:

    RE: David @ 1898

    What I love about you David is the sincerity in your crudeness and bigotry. Sometimes I wonder if you’re some kind of a Sufi sage who’s mission on earth is to put these outdated attitudes on display for the rest of us less evolved folks to learn from. I certainly learn a lot from my interactions with you, thanks!

  150. 1900
    David says:

    RE: Jeff @ 1897 – Quick reminder that George Floyd was a violent felon: Home Invasion Robbery.

    Cop will be convicted – manslaughter IMO.

  151. 1901
    Jeff says:

    RE: David @ 1900

    Thanks! Always nice to have the opinion of a second rate defense lawyer . . . If in fact you really are a lawyer and not a Sufi master.

  152. 1902
    NWA says:

    Sorry to interrupt.

    https://www.redfin.com/WA/Woodinville/18809-168th-Ave-NE-98072/home/271030

    Sold: Aug 05, 2019 – $685,200
    Listed: May 15, 2020 – $800,000
    Price changed: May 25, 2020 – $775,000
    Contingent: May 31, 2020
    Relisted: Jun 02, 2020 – $775,000

    So these ppl believe that marvelous piece of property has appreciated 115k in 9 months? Or 90k?
    Disgusting.

  153. 1903
    NWA says:

    Oops. 80k reduction, after just 11 days.
    Might be burning.

    https://www.redfin.com/WA/Seattle/1709-E-Marion-St-98122/home/2086815

  154. 1904
  155. 1905
    sfrz says:

    RE: NWA @ 1903 – They are gonna lose their ARSE. Those easy Yellen bucks didn’t pan out for that dream of creating their own Marriott chain. All those upgrades. Furnishings. They are fooked. Get the boxes ready. They’re gonna need a place to sleep.
    I think it is a fire sale. Just a couple of months ago, there was an attempt to get it leased for a year for $5750 a month. That must have went over like a stink in church.
    https://hotpads.com/1709-e-marion-st-seattle-wa-98122-1n4m6p7/pad

  156. 1906
  157. 1907
    sfrz says:

    RE: NWA @ 1906 – Sweet jeebuz. Take a look at the location. Oof. Face palm as they walk into bankruptcy court. Golden rule: always the least expensive home in the best neighborhood. Not the other way around. Greeders gonna greed. Get em some boxes. Maybe some of those millennial gray, stylish ones. They seem to like that color.

    https://www.bing.com/maps?osid=100496f6-6191-415a-a33a-b9fb30a5f5b4&cp=47.55345~-122.288356&lvl=19&dir=154.71378&pi=-5.5757685&style=x&mo=z.0&imgid=1016287b-b0c8-4e20-8ebf-ade036e1506b&v=2&sV=2&form=S00027

  158. 1908
    David says:

    By Jeff @ 1901:

    RE: David @ 1900

    Thanks! Always nice to have the opinion of a second rate defense lawyer . . . If in fact you really are a lawyer and not a Sufi master.

    70% of racial crimes are NOT committed by: 1) Asians, 2) Caucasians. Hmm, whom does that leave as responsible for racial crimes? Trying to put my finger on it….

    2nd Rate? I’m doing my part to set free a Seattle Serial Killer (historically a major WA export) by simply not participating in the trial. That takes some skill – and a poison pen letter to the DA and Defense Attorneys.

    In the short run, most of the looting and burning were in marginal areas that contributed little to the overall economic future. Those communities will not recover and will be redlined for good reason.

    The others have insurance and will spur economic recovery through rebuilding.

    Jim Cramer takes it from here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG7cUKQhcUQ

    Trump will win and the stock market will rise again!

  159. 1909
    Ardell DellaLoggia says:

    RE: Jeff @ 1899

    “David” is a chain smoking obese woman in a moo moo and she’s having a ball.

  160. 1910
    David says:

    RE: Ardell DellaLoggia @ 1909 – It’s size triple moo.

  161. 1911
    Beano says:

    By armk @ 1809:

    RE: Eastsider @ 1808

    Sorry I don’t mean what are the facts from last time’s crash. That would be like saying the Nasdaq was down 80% in the 2000 tech crash, so the next time we have a crash in tech stocks the market should also be down in that neighborhood.

    For one, the companies and their earnings durability is different. The excesses and bubbliness in the market is different. For housing, people aren’t doing NINJA loans etc. Nowhere near the same level of egregious behavior as 2008, so why would you expect a price decline of the same magnitude?

    Second, 2008 was in a way a big realization for government that they could throw unprecedented monetary stimulus at the markets and smooth out the problems. They were a bit late to the party in 2008 (even hiking rates as the crisis was beginning to play out). I would argue their learnings from that crisis are going to make them a lot more proactive this time around and in future. So we won’t get to see fire sales like that in housing.

    I don’t have an agenda to push except I would like to buy a house at some point but don’t want to make a stupid financial decision. So I am all for prices to go down but trying to hear both sides of the argument so I can hopefully get the timing right.

    The work from home dynamic is real and so is the urban rioting….

    There *might* be a real trend away from urban cores as work from home becomes standard in tech and elsewhere. This changes the calculus.

    I personally recommend that you still won’t go wrong buying good property with some positive location aspects. Drive-able to urban core (new definition 1 hour) and in a stable, well maintained neighborhood.

    Being near nature might be a new perk.

    Also factor in demand for increased space (home office/gym) which might be overstated but still a meaningful shift IMO.

    I have seen deals pop up and right now pricing is all over the map, reflecting the fact nobody really knows.

    I don’t see a collapse, the structural difference in housing financing between today and 2008 is massive. Speaking of learning form 2008 – the government learned a sweet beyond belief play for the new playbook….

    hold foreclosures off the market as to not flood the market.

    These tactics and more will be deployed, you better believe it.

    Your best bet is to find a one off deal (they are there) as opposed to wait for a structural break in housing market.

    Unless you want to look to a mid-sized/smaller city – then buy now.

  162. 1912
    Beano says:

    By David @ 1842:

    By Jeff @ 1836:

    RE: David @ 1833

    ANTIFA is a joke, but it’s funny how much energy folks on the far right spend vilifying a weak movement of liberal college kids that ostensibly stands for Anti-Fascism. If you’re really concerned about politically extreme thugs that actually have a history of killing many Americans, maybe you should focus on the White Nationalists or anti-gays, with whom I suspect your sympathies lie bro.

    There I go getting dragged back into the muck!

    People that think like you are why I have refused to testify in a Seattle murder case (a serial killer). The ‘Woke-Folk’ of King County deserve the fruits of their thinking.

    I know of no other way than to concentrate the consequential actors in such a way that they eventually get-at the people enabling the behavior.*

    *Thinking of that case I had where ‘the fellas’ rolled through the higher end hood dragging people back into their homes from off the street – then rapin’ both ends and killing the WOKE-FOLK!

    Enjoy!!

    Jeff should be cancelled period. Showing support for ANTIFA and minimizing their hate.

  163. 1913
    Beano says:

    By Blurtman @ 1893:

    RE: Jeff @ 1891 – Perhaps the only thing worse than an ex-meat eater preaching vegetarianism is an ex-smoker harping on the dangers of cigarettes. (Twice guilty.)

    One humorous off-shoot of the tragic Floyd murder is the large number of virtue signaling libtards changing their Facebook photos to black squares. Of course, as it wasn’t trendy to protest the horrendous murder rates of black men in Chicago and Baltimore, not a prior peep from these hypocrites. But some people are letting them have it, nonetheless:

    Black Lives Matter Is a Joke’ — Black D.C. Resident Tells Far-Left Group ‘Go to Chicago’
    https://youtu.be/ItopNgRQiuY

    Tremendous video. That white chick takes the cake telling the black woman to leave during BLM. White-splainin’ at the BLM protest is the most 2020 thing yet.

  164. 1914
    Beano says:

    By David @ 1900:

    RE: Jeff @ 1897 – Quick reminder that George Floyd was a violent felon: Home Invasion Robbery.

    Cop will be convicted – manslaughter IMO.

    Exactly. The ME reports are already showing co-morbidity and wait until toxicology is finished, that might be a wild card.

  165. 1915
    Jeff says:

    RE: Beano @ 1912

    Funny how you interpret me calling ANTIFA a joke as a show of support. Maybe you should be “canceled“ for supporting PROFA.

  166. 1916
    Jeff says:

    By Ardell DellaLoggia @ 1909:

    RE: Jeff @ 1899

    “David” is a chain smoking obese woman in a moo moo and she’s having a ball.

    That doesn’t surprise me one bit. Sufi masters come in all shapes, sizes and gender preferences and excel at playing the fool.

  167. 1917
    Jeff says:

    RE: Ardell DellaLoggia @ 1909

    I’ll still call her a “him” out of respect for “his” preferences, seeing how I’m all woke and stuff.

  168. 1918
    Blurtman says:

    RE: Beano @ 1913 – Lots of crazy stuff happening from emoting virtue signaling trend hoppers, race hustlers and crisis opportunists, such that the truth is frequently overlooked. For example, two of the terminated Minnesota policemen are persons of color. I guess they were racist? The oppressed black CEO of Merck who recently made $23 million in total compensation is saying that he could have been George Floyd, and so I guess he is admitting to having been convicted of armed home invasion, and to a fentanyl and cocaine habit?

    Divide et impera.

  169. 1919
    Jeff says:

    RE: Blurtman @ 1918

    You know there could be something we might call “antivirtue signaling” happening here also? Sprinkling in a bit of Latin doesn’t make it more intelligent, it only impresses the less so.

    It goes both ways bro. You, Moo Moo, and Beano have quite the circle jerk happening, and I love watching a good circle jerk on Seattle Bubbles.

  170. 1920
    don says:

    RE: Jeff @ 1919

    Yeah, where’s Ruxpert?
    I miss his measured commentary.

  171. 1921

    What’s Affecting Seattle RE Sales Today Folks?

    “…Americans are skipping payments on mortgages, auto loans and other bills. Normally, that could mean massive foreclosures, evictions, cars repossessions and people’s credit getting destroyed.

    But much of that has been put on pause. Help from Congress and leniency from lenders have kept impending financial disaster at bay for millions of people. But that may not last for long.

    The problem is that these efforts aim to create a financial bridge to the future for people who’ve lost their income in the pandemic — but the bridge is only half-built. For one thing, the help still isn’t reaching many people who need it…”

    SWE’s take: The killer flu beer party bail out is ending soon, at a closed/bankrupt AMC theater near you…

  172. 1922

    RE: softwarengineer @ 1921
    Quick Advice:

    Fix your old car and drive it less now?

    Stay out of Home Depot…the possible contractor labor will suck you dry.

  173. 1923
    whatsmyname says:

    RE: Blurtman @ 1918 – Are you trying to insinuate that two non-black officers could not possibly be bigoted against black people by virtue of being labeled “people of color”? Why yes, I believe you are.

    Are you suggesting that the “investigation” was about home invasion, or that any black man fearing to be killed in an investigation must actually be guilty of something heinous? Or that even that would justify execution in the street? Are these the truths that are being lost?

    That officer executed a man who was lying on the street in handcuffs. It took some time to do. People asked him to stop. He killed a helpless man; he knew it; he showed not a flicker of regret or remorse, (virtue signalling to you, I suppose).

    This is the grain of salt I will take the next time I see one of your wet pants rants about liberty.

  174. 1924

    No More USPS by End or Year Folks? Mail in voting a joke now?

    “…Even before the coronavirus pandemic, the United States post office had been atrophying from financial turmoil. Over the past decade, post offices have been closed across the country, rural mail delivery is stretched thin, and thousands of post office workers’ positions have been eliminated.

    The outgoing postmaster general recently warned that without immediate support the agency could run out of funds within the year, and in that case might need to shut down.
    The unlisted: how people without an address are stripped of their basic rights
    Read more

    Now, as the nation heads toward an election where millions more Americans are likely to vote by mail, the agency’s crisis could threaten the democratic process. The question for voters is not whether they will be able to go to the ballot box, but whether the Postal Service will be able to bring the ballot box to them.

    Yet it has faced outright hostility from Donald Trump, who has repeatedly criticized its business agreement with Amazon, which allows the e-commerce giant to deliver its packages at a discounted rate. Trump has promised to block aid for the agency unless it quadruples its prices for package shipping, which could cause the company to take its business elsewhere…”

    SWE’s take: Not to worry, drive 5-10 miles and wait in line for an hour at a UPS or FedEx shop with P.O. Box instead of convenient/quick USPS home delivery?

  175. 1925
    Blurtman says:

    I know you have problems with reading comprehension and the English language, so let me try to help you understand.

    By whatsmyname @ 1923:

    RE: Blurtman @ 1918 – Are you trying to insinuate that two non-black officers could not possibly be bigoted against black people by virtue of being labeled “people of color”? Why yes, I believe you are.

    –J. Alexander Kueng is an African American.

    Are you suggesting that the “investigation” was about home invasion, or that any black man fearing to be killed in an investigation must actually be guilty of something heinous? Or that even that would justify execution in the street? Are these the truths that are being lost?

    — There is no indication in my post that I have suggested that the investigation was about home invasion.

    That officer executed a man who was lying on the street in handcuffs. It took some time to do. People asked him to stop. He killed a helpless man; he knew it; he showed not a flicker of regret or remorse, (virtue signalling to you, I suppose).

    — Virtue signaling refers to the trendy outrage about George Floyd, but the absence of any outrage over the murder rates of black men in Chicago and Baltimore, due to its non-trendiness.

    This is the grain of salt I will take the next time I see one of your wet pants rants about liberty.

    Thanks for reading, but do try to comprehend as well.

  176. 1926
    Jeff says:

    By David @ 1910:

    RE: Ardell DellaLoggia @ 1909 – It’s size triple moo.

    Oh Moo Moo, I hope that you still participate here on Bubbles now that your cover’s blown.  I do love your character so.  Here’s a little song I wrote in your honor:

    Moo Moo
    Just killed a “man”
    Put a gun against “his” head
    Pulled “his” trigger now “he’s” dead

    Moo Moo
    Life had just begun
    And now you’ve gone and thrown it all away

    Moo Moo
    Ooh ooh ooh ooooh
    Didn’t mean to make you cry
    If I’m not back again this time tomorrow
    Carry on carry on
    Cuz nothing really matters

    I see a little silhouetto of a “man” . . .

    Anyways, you know how the rest of this mostly plagiarized diddy goes.  Enjoy!

  177. 1927
    whatsmyname says:

    By Blurtman @ 1925:

    Thanks for reading, but do try to comprehend as well.

    Here is your statement: “For example, two of the terminated Minnesota policemen are persons of color. I guess they were racist?”

    Kueng is a Chinese name, but perhaps the one drop rule comes into play for you here.
    And what about the other fellow? Not even the weakest response there.

    You advanced the absurd suggestion that a black millionaire who says he could have been the victim here “is admitting to having been convicted of armed home invasion, and to a fentanyl and cocaine habit?”

    Naturally, it’s a struggle to find some context for this line of thought that isn’t pure, sublimated racism. So far, it seems neither of us has succeeded.

  178. 1928
    Erik says:

    RE: Ardell DellaLoggia @ 1909
    Jeff told me that he owned a mixed commercial building when he first came on this site. Then he started saying a bunch of low intelligence things and starting conflicts with others. It makes me think he/she is lying because his/her comments don’t coincide with the profile of an intelligent investor.

  179. 1929
    Erik says:

    RE: whatsmyname @ 1927
    Calling someone racist feels like the modern day witch hunt. People point and say “He’s racist, hang him!” In order to try to hurt someone else.

    I’m sure racism exists, but not in my world. Everyone I know just wants to make money and doesn’t give a damn about race.

  180. 1930
    Jeff says:

    RE: Erik @ 1928

    I do still own a commercial building, and did recently sell a home on a few acres and am now renting a place in town with a fabulous veggie garden. We’re not raising farm animals this year but have a good stock of lamb and one turkey left from last season. Perhaps some things I said were inconsistent, and I would be happy to address them if you would please point them out. Thanks for your participation, and your earnestness.

    My name really is Jeff and I am really a man. Generally I am a sincere fellow as I perceive you to be too. My youngest kid appears to be about the same age as yours. Maybe someday we can be friends, and once we get to know each other a bit better I’ll write a song for you too.

    I’m sorry for previously calling you young and naive, as that was overly judgmental but regards to your real estate investment adventures may turn out to be true. I’ve certainly made some naive mistakes of my own recently like my HD and QQQ short selling. I lost a lot there. I am glad to have sold our most recent home for an 11% profit in one year.

    Can you really blame me for getting feisty with the likes of Moo Moo David? Really?

  181. 1931
    David says:

    By Jeff @ 1926:

    By David @ 1910:

    RE: Ardell DellaLoggia @ 1909 – It’s size triple moo.

    Oh Moo Moo, I hope that you still participate here on Bubbles now that your cover’s blown.  I do love your character so.  Here’s a little song I wrote in your honor:

    Moo Moo
    Just killed a “man”
    Put a gun against “his” head
    Pulled “his” trigger now “he’s” dead

    Moo Moo
    Life had just begun
    And now you’ve gone and thrown it all away

    Moo Moo
    Ooh ooh ooh ooooh
    Didn’t mean to make you cry
    If I’m not back again this time tomorrow
    Carry on carry on
    Cuz nothing really matters

    I see a little silhouetto of a “man” . . .

    Anyways, you know how the rest of this mostly plagiarized diddy goes.  Enjoy!

    I said TRIPLE moo. You ignore that and use double moo. You aren’t giving us triple moos our voice.

    And our space.

  182. 1932
    Jeff says:

    RE: Erik @ 1929

    Here’s my response to your statement, “ I’m sure racism exists, but not in my world. Everyone I know just wants to make money and doesn’t give a damn about race.”

    Respectfully, my position is that every human being of every race exhibits some amount of racism in their character. It’s just part of the human condition and it’s a natural way for us to interpret our environment. The point of pointing out overt and systemic racism is to help us all understand how and where racism plays a role in our consciences, and in our everyday interactions.

    When folks deny that racism exists in their lives, my concern is that they are being naive, and ignoring the unhelpful places where it inevitably leads to unfortunate biases. This attitude helps perpetuate the places in society where it really is still overt and violent, like with the pattern of police brutality toward racial minorities. Compassion for the situation is an important role for us all to play.

  183. 1933
    Jeff says:

    RE: David @ 1931

    Sorry, no disrespect intended there. Moo moo moo just didn’t sound as good in my song. Glad you’re sticking around and taking up space Triple Moo.

  184. 1934
  185. 1935
    David says:

    By softwarengineer @ 1924:

    No More USPS by End or Year Folks? Mail in voting a joke now?

    “…Even before the coronavirus pandemic, the United States post office had been atrophying from financial turmoil. Over the past decade, post offices have been closed across the country, rural mail delivery is stretched thin, and thousands of post office workers’ positions have been eliminated

    Even here in Florida the USPS is out delivering on Sundays – for AMAZON. My Dad retired from the USPS.

    I actually think SpaceX’s Starship (as crazy as it sounds) will be used for cross country and international package shipping at first primarily as support for other efforts. This will further reduce costs and pricing. The USPS is going to have to respond to the marketplace and charge to cover their costs and SUPER-GREAT employee entitlements.

    Also great for overnight shipping of Jeff’s to almost anywhere else – especially Baltimore. Where the sudden realization that he is fighting every day to survive will cure him. Whether he gets un-woke or not.

  186. 1936
    David says:

    ANOTHER house is breaking ground almost right next to me today. Another lot sold as well.

  187. 1937
    Jeff says:

    RE: David @ 1935

    I’ve never been to Baltimore, but I really don’t see what seems so scary about it to you. I’ve motorbiked through slums in Mumbai stopping to eat with the locals. I’ve been to many places in the world that I would think are way scarier than Baltimore, and will be taking my children to many of those places when they are both over five or six.

    When I take another east coast tour someday, I’ll be sure to put Baltimore on the bucket list to see what all the fuss is about.

    My experience tells me that places that freak conservative minded folks out are some of the most interesting places to visit with some of the nicest people.

  188. 1938
    Blurtman says:

    RE: whatsmyname @ 1927 – Did you ever hear of Naomi Osaka? Or Patrick Chung? There certainly are biracial people who are Asian and black.

    Here is an image of former police officer J. Patrick Kueng: https://pmchollywoodlife.files.wordpress.com/2020/06/kueng.j.alexander-mugshot-embed.jpg?w=620&h=620

    He appears to be more black than Elizabeth Warren or Bob Menendez appear to be Native Americans.

  189. 1939
    David says:

    RE: Jeff @ 1937 – Eureka! Just move to Baltimore. NOT motorbike at through Baltimore at 50MPH. Just, just moooove there.

    That is all you need to do. Nuff said.

    You’ve sold your house. Now is your time.

  190. 1940
    David says:

    I will say one thing that sounds WOKE. Cops need to put an end to the notion they are heroes.

    The HERO cop thing is incredibly enabling of very bad cop behavior.

    Cops are just normal folks who went into law enforcement. You cannot just be a hero because you are POST certified.

    Cops are also not required to DO anything for you. They can stand by and watch someone kill yo’ a$$ and not a dayam thing anyone can do about it. The Courts have said this repeatedly: https://mises.org/power-market/police-have-no-duty-protect-you-federal-court-affirms-yet-again

    YOU and ONLY you are responsible for your own protection and a$$.

  191. 1941
    Erik says:

    RE: Jeff @ 1930
    I was jabbing at you because you jabbed me earlier. I’ll stop.

    Please show me how to get a mixed commercial investment . That’s what I want to do.

    Ray Pepper showed me how to get residential at the auction, which took me from broke to owning a few rentals and having a little money. He told me to get mixed commercial next, but I’m too scared to do it. Are there any commercial real estate investment clubs out there to help me get started? A step by step book perhaps. I want to make the jump, I just don’t know how and cannot see a clear path forward.

    I called about commercial loans and they want 50% down because I’m starting out. So basically $1,000,000 down. I don’t have that kind of money laying around.

    My email is mullerproperties206@gmail.com if you have anything that can help me.

  192. 1942
    Jeff says:

    RE: Erik @ 1941

    Thanks for offering the truce.

    The only reason I own commercial property (not mixed use by the way) is because I own a successful business that is presently the sole occupant. In fact, half the space that could be a restaurant is currently being used to store my family’s excess crap. I own the property outright without financing.

    Truly, I would advise you to stay the heck away from investing in most any commercial property at this moment, unless you need it for your own enterprise. I admit to leaning toward the Perma Bear camp, but every indicator I’m looking at, and I spend several hours per day looking at them, is telling me this is not going to be a V-shaped recovery, despite what the stock market is indicating, even if we continue to steadily recover from Covid, which is a big if. I believe commercial property may be more severely impacted than many other market segments, few of which are looking promising.

    My advice generally is to take profits on your investments where you can and store the capital in the form of cash, gold and a little bit of bitcoin in that order. Wait for at least a year to see where things go and get a lay of the land. My guess are that the next best buying opportunities are at least a couple years away and possibly up to ten years from now. The ten year possibility is much more to do with generational demographic factors, than the current crisese.

    Thanks for the contact and if I have any interesting insights or leads to throw your way I surely will. Good luck out there brother!

  193. 1943
    David says:

    By Jeff @ 1883:

    RE: Blurtman @ 1881
    Have you ever read “The Secret Life of Plants”? There is reason to consider that plants feel pain and fear too. Stevie Wonder made an amazing album to accompany the documentary made about the book.

    Jeff arguing that ‘Asparagus Lives Matter’

  194. 1944
    Jeff says:

    RE: David @ 1943

    Veggies are a major key to my heart. Thanks for noticing! I’m learning to love you more and more all the time Moo Moo Moo.

  195. 1945
    David says:

    RE: Jeff @ 1944 – Here are some of your rioting supporters. They killed the puppy.

    https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1268284047614074880

    Defund the PoPo

  196. 1946
    Jeff says:

    RE: David @ 1945

    Honestly Triple Moo, now that I have a new image of you based on Aredell’s description burned into my brain, it’s pretty much impossible to be the least bit offended by any words or images you could conjure up here on Bubbles, not that I was particularly offended previously. At this point, your antics are just much more endearing to me, as I have much more sympathy for your situation, and am glad you are having a ball here.

  197. 1947
    Jeff says:

    RE: David @ 1945

    To be clear, I’m not not taking you seriously because you may in fact be an obese chain smoking woman, as I’m sure one of them could find a way to get under my skin too. It’s more that you would seem to think you have to take on the persona of some blowhard tough guy lawyer dude to get anyone to take you seriously, which is just kinda sad.

    If you would like to take your trolling to the next level, I humbly suggest you reform your Bubbles persona to reflect your true self. Then you might reach that exalted goal of actually offending or embarrassing little ol woke Jeff, although as you may have noticed, it won’t be easy. Just a suggestion from one goofy Bubble troll to another.

  198. 1948
    David says:

    RE: Jeff @ 1947 – Ardell got me:

    1) I’m big in Japan
    2) I fry chicken in bed
    3) Your wife sent me her coupon code from Lane Bryant

  199. 1949
    DavidE says:

    This really nice house went for 185k below asking (best land on Cedar River). Ouch!
    Sold for $995,000 on 5/8/2020. $185,000 below list price.
    https://www.redfin.com/WA/Renton/16841-SE-Jones-Rd-98058/home/423400

    It seems that some homes being sold after the lockdown are really hurting. The ones that went under contract before the lockdown were sold at asking.
    I am seeing so many homes just sitting on the market (Portland and Vancouver included). Not sure where all these reports of “sold in 2 days with multiple offers” are coming from.

  200. 1950
    Jeff says:

    RE: David @ 1948

    I didn’t know what Lane Bryant was till you suggested it, so I went to check out their website. I do appreciate sexy fat bottomed girls, and Lane Bryant has some particularly hot ones on their homepage at the moment, thanks for sharing that. If all you really wear are moo moos, then doing some shopping on Lane Bryant would probably do your wardrobe some good.

  201. 1951
    David says:

    I cannot think of a better way to get lower in-town Seattle prices than to have a lot of neighborhoods rioted, looted and burned.

    Here’s some motivation for it via Obama’s own words:

    1) “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.”
    2) [Anger is] “going to express itself [through Occupy Wallstreet rioting] politically in 2012 and beyond until people feel like, once again, they’re getting back to some old-fashioned values.”
    3) Obama promoting the false narratives that the following were not justified:
    a) Rodney King
    b) Trayvon Martin
    c) Michael Brown
    4) Embracing the Baltimore riots & looting
    5) Embracing the Ferguson riots and looting.
    6) ‘We’re gonna punish our enemies, and we’re gonna reward our friends who stand with us on issues that are important to us’
    7) “The spread of vibrant social diversity is constricting the GOP’s ability to champion conservative causes, such as smaller government and independent families”

    Most of 1% live in downtown Seattles. Get busy.

    Then I’m sneakin’ in and buying something close to Lake Union or Madison!

  202. 1952
    Blurtman says:

    RE: Jeff @ 1950 – I actually gave a Lane Bryant gift certificate to my tall, blonde, slim significant other quite a while back. I was totally unaware of the chain’s target market. Needless to say, she was far from amused.

  203. 1953

    Hey, the $5.58 27 OZ MJB Was Killer Flu Sucked Dry, Like Toilet Paper Yesterday…I Got Yuban for like $6.50 a Can, but 15% More in the Can…Well, Tip Your Yuban Mugs Again and read the brief:

    BTW, the cheap 80% fat burger is $3.38/lb at WINCO. The tough cuts of steaks and roasts are like $8/lb+

    The crowd was thin at WINCO at 3 PM yesterday…the folks seemed more happy yesterday with DOW 27000 and 2.5M jobs added in May….time to sweep up the broken glass, restock the looted shelves and get back to business….IMO, they’ll leave the plywood windows up a week or two more, even with unbroken glass behind the plywood….I hear leisure and travel are hiring 1.2M workers alone now. Mitzels next to Ramada Inn in Kent is for sale yesterday, I imagine its not alone. Looting business insurance claims went through the roof I hear, and I imagine there will be long investigations before insurance pay outs. I was loading my groceries in my red Charger and a Milenial lady approached me with smiles and conversation too…its all good.

    “… Why health officials support Seattle protests but Black Lives Matter calls them ‘too dangerous’
    Not long ago, it would have been the stuff of public health professionals’ nightmares: thousands of people clustered together, chanting, amid a pandemic. But even though protests like this one in Seattle violate social-distancing guidelines, infectious disease experts are calling them vital. The local branch of Black Lives Matter is being far more cautious. Meanwhile, the CDC’s director says protesters should highly consider getting tested for COVID-19. (Photo: Dean Rutz / The Seattle Times)..”

    SWE’s Take: The Killer Flu Vaccine should be MASS produced this Fall and Winter, but isolation and quarantine is recommended if you protested in the MASSES says BLM. CDC is always horrified lately…LOL…

    “… Washington’s unemployment fraud may have hit $650 million. Tens of thousands of people are still waiting for benefits as the state reels from this. Those workers face a tough road: The Seattle area lags much of the nation for new job openings, our daily Coronavirus Economy chart shows. The latest U.S. job numbers out today are surprisingly positive — although many jobs lost to the virus aren’t coming back…”

    SWE’s Take: Hey Blurtman, the unemployment fraud in Wash St is MUCH WORSE now and has hit about $1B now??? The fun goes on and on. We need a state income tax to pay for the organized crime theft now? LOL

    “…The first automobile is driven across the Lake Washington Floating Bridge in 1940. The span is part of Highway 10, later renamed Interstate 90. The technology used to create the bridge is highly innovative at the time, with floats on hollow concrete pontoons. The bridge takes 18 months to build, with 3,000 workers. In 1967, it is renamed the Lacey V. Murrow Memorial Bridge, and Nov. 25, 1990, the bridge sinks after a week of high winds and rain…”

    SWE’s take: It sank in 1990 and still used today…the infrastructure in Seattle is ancient and sucks.

    Good News: Erik’s Smiling, here’s the MOM Investor Report for May 2020:

    May 0.06% 0.46% 4.76% 8.79% 4.50%
    YTD 0.53% 5.42% (5.03%) (9.47%) (14.04%)
    Last 12 mo 1.67% 9.33% 12.74% 3.56% (2.52%)

    Long-term CDs, Long-term Bonds, US Stocks, Foreign stocks, foreign stocks

    The stock market scored about 13% gain YTD now, it was back in 27000 DOW territory now. I told you to buy stock a month ago and only David listened…LOL…he’s the only Tooth Fairy with the gold tooth now? LOL..I’d be gambling like that if I wasn’t retired. Vegas opened yesterday too…LOL…its all good this Friday. Enjoy your weekend of “???” Phase of Killer Flu restrictions, they apparently ended when the “JAMMED” Floyd peaceful demonstration fogged up the Inslee rules on safe distancing..LOL

  204. 1954

    Its a “V” Shaped Killer Flu Recession and its Comin’ To an End Too, Erik Smiles:

    https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/summer-is-going-to-be-a-good-period-for-the-housing-market-economist-184938968.html

    Time to find a better paying job and shoot for the moon now? LOL…it changes everyday, never be a “pig-head” now, or you’ll eat crow…LOL

  205. 1955
    Erik says:

    RE: Blurtman @ 1952
    She sounds hot! Nice score.

  206. 1956
  207. 1957
    Jeff says:

    RE: Erik @ 1955

    It amazes me you can evaluate a “hot, nice score” based on just the three attributes of being tall, blonde and slim. Don’t you at least want to know what her face looks like before giving Blurtman a high five? What if Blurtman’s girlfriend had a face like his profile’s?

    If tall, blonde and slim is all it takes to satisfy you, you must be an easy score. My wife falls into two of your evaluative categories, but fortunately for me, she has many others that score way higher.

    I hope you don’t take this jest too seriously, as I hope we can still be buds.

  208. 1958
    Jeff says:

    RE: Blurtman @ 1952

    I can’t help but think your profile pick reminds me of Kellyanne Conway. Also tall blonde, slim, and kinda skeletal.

  209. 1959
    Blurtman says:

    RE: Jeff @ 1958 – Ha ha! No, she was Dutch and not too thin. 5′ 10″, long legs. Face was fine. Had a better career going on than I did at the time. I was dabbling in surreptitious farming and my bank account was frequently flying on fumes only. Deadhead. Perhaps you know the type. Conway is an Italian American, I believe.

  210. 1960
    Blurtman says:

    Yet another racist goes off on George Floyd. He held a gun to a pregnant women’s belly during a robbery attempt!? He was high when last arrested, and a baggie of white powder fell out of his pocket at the time!? None of this can possibly be true as it was never reported on CNN.

    Wait for it….

    Yes, certainly, that doesn’t justify what happened to him. But he was no role model nor hero.

    https://youtu.be/JtPfoEvNJ74

  211. 1961
    Justsomedude12 says:

    Really? So are we all just going to ignore the fact that softwarengineer is back to drinking Yuban again?!

  212. 1962

    Breaking News. King County Modified Phase 1 (Pierce and Snohomish moved to 2)

    King County:

    A husband and wife can now see a house together. Don’t bring family and friends or children though. One agent plus 2 people vs 1 person.

    Real Estate Signs can be installed which probably means 811 DIG is back. Not positive about that but that there was no 811 DIG available was supposedly the reason for no sign installations until now.

    This is my understanding. More news may come out in the next several hours.

  213. 1963
    sfrz says:

    RE: Justsomedude12 @ 1961 – I just spit my Yuban. Stawp!

  214. 1964
    ARDELL says:

    RE: Jeff @ 1950

    Technically Lane Bryant doesn’t sell muumuu dresses. But here’s one from Amazon that you can use to complete your mental picture of David with to burn it into your brain a bit further. Just picture him in this one in a size 3X which is the largest you can get this one in.

    Happy Nightmares. :)

    https://www.amazon.com/RJC-Womens-Yellow-Plumeria-Muumuu/dp/B0061DQRO8/ref=sr_1_7?dchild=1&keywords=muumuus&qid=1591389392&sr=8-7

  215. 1965
    Jeff says:

    RE: ARDELL @ 1964RE: ARDELL @ 1964

    Thanks for that Ardell, and also thank you for generally staying focused on the topic at hand which is ostensibly Seattle real estate. Since there isn’t much news in that area, the other jolly trolls and myself have been taking up the spare space, but eventually, I think we’ll have more relevant real estate stuff to discuss.

    I predict that in a few months as we get closer to the end of forbearance we could start to transition from idol debauchery to legitimate discussions.

    In the meantime, I suspended my Zuckerborg account over a month ago and Bubbles has been a fantastic substitute for similarly ridiculous inflammatory interactions. I’m trying to turn it around toward lighthearted, less divisive fun, but also looking forward to the on topic discussions eventually.

    Thanks for joining in the silliness of it all! Nothing really matters . . .

  216. 1966
    David says:

    By Jeff @ 1957:

    RE: Erik @ 1955

    It amazes me you can evaluate a “hot, nice score” based on just the three attributes of being tall, blonde and slim. Don’t you at least want to know what her face looks like before giving Blurtman a high five? What if Blurtman’s girlfriend had a face like his profile’s?

    If tall, blonde and slim is all it takes to satisfy you, you must be an easy score. My wife falls into two of your evaluative categories, but fortunately for me, she has many others that score way higher.

    I hope you don’t take this jest too seriously, as I hope we can still be buds.

    Q: What do you call a hot chick in Seattle?
    A: A Californian.

  217. 1967
    David says:

    By ARDELL @ 1964:

    RE: Jeff @ 1950

    Technically Lane Bryant doesn’t sell muumuu dresses. But here’s one from Amazon that you can use to complete your mental picture of David with to burn it into your brain a bit further. Just picture him in this one in a size 3X which is the largest you can get this one in.

    Happy Nightmares. :)

    https://www.amazon.com/RJC-Womens-Yellow-Plumeria-Muumuu/dp/B0061DQRO8/ref=sr_1_7?dchild=1&keywords=muumuus&qid=1591389392&sr=8-7

    That’s a Philodendron Monstera and Plumeria Flower print dress!! My favorite. It hugs my fluffiness.

  218. 1968
    David says:

    By Blurtman @ 1960:

    Yet another racist goes off on George Floyd. He held a gun to a pregnant women’s belly during a robbery attempt!? He was high when last arrested, and a baggie of white powder fell out of his pocket at the time!? None of this can possibly be true as it was never reported on CNN.

    Wait for it….

    Yes, certainly, that doesn’t justify what happened to him. But he was no role model nor hero.

    https://youtu.be/JtPfoEvNJ74

    George Floyd held a gun to a pregnant woman’s belly. In Georgia: life sentence.

    Going to be very interesting if the cop is found flat-out not guilty. That many illegal drugs in his system would create an unexpected response to normal restraint. It can also allow someone to have a sudden amount of unexpected strength.

    But 9 minutes with a knee on someone’s neck (handcuffed) without noticing the guy was in distress is a big question.

    Still, illegal drugs are illegal because they cause damage. He could be found not guilty.

  219. 1969
    Ardell DellaLoggia says:

    RE: David @ 1967

    In my size it’s only $34 and in yours it’s $63. That doesn’t seem fair. Well…there is all that extra fabric, but still.

  220. 1970
    David says:

    RE: Ardell DellaLoggia @ 1969 – Sometimes men ask me what’s under that dress. I tell them: ‘The World baby, wrapped in a sail.’

    Then I puff my Virginia Slim and gently blow smoke in a come hither way.

    Usually, they vomit.

  221. 1971
    Cap”n says:

    I’ve seen multiple SFH list aggressively low, become a “hot home” on Redfin, and then significantly increase the asking price. I feel like I’ve seen it more in the last few weeks than I’ve seen it in the last 6 months. I don’t get it. If you price low to get a bidding war, why not just take the highest and leave the asking price the same? Appraisal implications?

  222. 1972
    Erik says:

    RE: David @ 1966
    Hahaha!

  223. 1973
    Erik says:

    RE: Jeff @ 1957
    I like blurtman and I wanted to make him smile, so I told him his wife is hot. I give 2 sh!ts what his wife looks like. Why would I care? If he’s happy, I’m happy.

  224. 1974
    Blurtman says:

    RE: Erik @ 1973 – Hi Erik, I am also from a pretty poor background, and so I cheer your efforts to make a better life for your family and yourself. With hard work, smart work, perseverance, frugality and luck, you can do it. Enjoy the journey!

  225. 1975
    armk says:

    RE: DavidE @ 1949

    Here’s an example from the areas I’m looking at

    https://www.redfin.com/WA/Kirkland/7328-121st-Ln-NE-98033/home/516426

  226. 1976

    The More Wealth ya Got to put in a “forced” community property agreement [spouse or significant other] the more of that $700K Seattle home and rare retirements aren’t “Really All Your’s”….ask a Divorce Judge in the State of Wash [married or single with live in friend], Now grab that mug, stay single if ya can [or find an isolation bunk buddy], and guzzle Yuban and read the brief:

    “…As Washington’s counties progress through Gov. Jay Inslee’s plan to reopen the state, here’s an interactive map that tracks the counties’ progress through the various phases in real time, and tells you what activities you’re allowed to do in each phase. Read more…”

    SWE’s Take: Yeah and curfew laws didn’t apply to protesters, COSTCO can take their mandatory bank robber scarves [useless masks] requirement off the books, restaurants and Disneyland can thrive with a 31% attendance Summer estimate and their plate/ticket prices will go down….LOL…and David picks his favorite Moo Moo color, pink…

    Good News: Average Rent is Only About 50% of a $100K/Yr Net income if marriage tax bracket creep applies:

    Average Rent in Seattle, WA
    Last updated February 2020
    Average Rent Y-o-Y Change Average Apartment Size
    $2,169 6% 693 sq. ft.

    This rent would suck 100% of an average Joe Seattle area $20/hr per capita net pay dry [none left for car or food]. My gosh, 693 square feet, plenty of room for the home school and 2-3 kids…LOL…after all its FAR worse in Hong Kong or China…LOL…no wonder they’re smashing windows and torching cars in Seattle…LOL

  227. 1977
    Jeff says:

    RE: Erik @ 1973

    I also like Blurtman, and it seems like our latest jesting has caused him to smile. I like you too because you seem to present yourself as who you really are, and generally I think you are a good person, if perhaps a little naive and overly focused on money. But hey, I’m not afraid to admit that I suffer from nativity in many areas, and I’m as good at losing money as I am at making it. The hard thing is that being naive about something makes it inherently hard to recognize until we learn through the school of hard knocks, or listen to just the right random trolls on Seattle Bubble. But picking trolls is like picking penny stocks on Robinhood. Very risky.

    BTW, when I recommended Bitcoin as a small part of a defensive portfolio, I want to emphasize that it should be really small at this point. Like 5% or less. Cash and gold are the best way to go overall. I think you may have some good opportunities to sell some of your condos this summer if you’re so inclined. It may be the last good such opportunity in a while.

    Like I mentioned previously, I think things will get really interesting when we get close to or just beyond the forbearance window running out early this fall. Did you know that when folks reach the end of forbearance that they will have to pay back all the missed payments at once as currently structured? If someone is in enough financial distress to go into forbearance, does such a payment “plan” seem feasible? According to Google, about 8% of mortgages are currently in forbearance, and about the same number are simply delinquent, although the data on delinquencies is lagging a bit.

    Good luck out there!

  228. 1978
    Erik says:

    RE: Jeff @ 1977
    Here are the forbearance rules for Freddie/Fannie and FHA loans:

    “ Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac loans:
    -Borrowers allowed to repay past due amount within 12 months after forbearance ends;
    -Extend the term of the mortgage by the exact number of months in forbearance;
    -Add past due amounts into loan balance and extend the term of the loan by the number of months necessary to make the monthly payment the same as the previous payment;
    -Add past due amounts into loan balance and extend term of loan for 40 years (480 months).

    FHA loans:
    -Borrowers may enter into a repayment plan to repay past due amounts within 6 months after forbearance ends;
    -Extend term of mortgage to 30 years (360 months) by adding the past due amounts into the previous monthly payment;
    -Past due amounts paid off at the end of the loan in a lump sum.”

    Savvy investors with negative cash flow can go into forbearance on Fannie/Freddie loans and get a 40 year loan to make properties cash flow positive by extending the loan term. I don’t know yet if borrowers can get a super low rate yet with it. If anyone has any additional information on this, please let me know.

    Trump gave landlords a big boost from the Covid pandemic. Landlords can save one year of rent and then they get more positive cash flow in the end. Trump is helping out capitalists and driving up prices for people that work for money.

  229. 1979
    Jeff says:

    RE: Erik @ 1978

    Thanks for the clarifications, as I was unaware of these nuances to forbearance. Do you know the percentage of forbearances that don’t fall into the Fannie/Freddie/FHA categories? I did a very rough check and it seems like it may be in the range of 60%, but I really couldn’t say with confidence. I appreciate your bringing me this to check out.

    I understand how folks could speculate that Trump would be good for their financial strategies, but at this point, would it be wise to plan your investments on the assumption he is going to win? I’m not asking this as someone who would prefer him out of office, which I am, but it does seem reasonable that folks should at least plan for the contingency that Biden could very well be in the White House, as he’s been polling better than Trump in all the right places for months now. I think the polling is a lot more reflective of reality than in 2016, as the pollsters have generally adjusted for the blind spots they had back then then. There is also a growing possibility the Dems could take the Senate.

    I’m sure I don’t have to help you imagine the huge taxing and regulatory shifts that would take place were that to occur. I just think it’s a possibility worth risk managing for at this point, regardless of your personal politics. At least you can take heart that you’re not up against a possible Bernie presidency. How woke would that be? Maybe too much so for our sad divided country at this point.

  230. 1980
    Erik says:

    RE: Jeff @ 1979
    I don’t remember off hand the percentage of loans that aren’t government backed. I heard it on a video I was watching that Ken Mckelroy posted on YouTube but I don’t remember the exact number. I thought the number was closer to 20% though, but I could be wrong.

    I don’t think Biden will win because he will get crushed in debates. Real estate is a great investment no matter who is president, Trump just rewarded real estate investors big time and is driving asset prices up to keep workers renting longer because they won’t be able to afford houses. USA is turning into Europe where the rich stay rich and poor workers stay poor.

  231. 1981
    richard says:

    the wealth gap created by the housing bubble is actually more divisive than racial discrimination. This is created by systematic information manipulation by interest groups and media, little financial education in our school system, and massive FED market intervention and distortion. The damage is done. It is very superficial to vehemently debate on different political views. All meaningless. The wealth distribution mechanism is totally corrupt. There is no difference between black and other race, there are only two classes of people: those who own assets and those not. I guess most people in this forum own some type of asset so it is kind hypocritical to argue with each other to show how just they are. If most people are not aware of the real cause(FED being #1) of the current situation and they think their problem is caused by other races or the system, I guess we are at risk of owning long-lasting social unrest down the road.

  232. 1982
    Blurtman says:

    RE: richard @ 1981 – It’s not a static situation. The number of millionaires in the US grows with an increase in the value of assets. Of course, the more assets you have, the more of an increase in wealth you experience. Everyone is seeing their 401k’s recover. The is not a bad thing. https://www.barrons.com/articles/number-of-u-s-millionaires-grows-in-2018-for-10th-straight-year-01552506244

  233. 1983
    Jeff says:

    RE: richard @ 1981

    Hey I understand what you’re saying, and sympathize with your point of view. My mom generally avoids political conversations like the plague, but about a week ago, when the protests in Seattle moved toward looting in Bellevue Square, she called to express her concern about how the civil unrest was getting out of hand, and oh yeah, George Floyd’s death was tragic too. But the injustice of George Floyd’s murder was really an afterthought of her primary fear of loosing her privilege. I pointed out to her that it might not be a coincident that the riots were expanding from large inner cities to places like Bellevue Square and Rodeo Drive.

    Her view is that there’s nothing we can do about racial inequality, because she feels that political policies over the last seventy years have failed. Of course, she and her generation have generally voted for the policies and politicians that pull the rug from out of the underclasses. At the same time she feels we need policies to prevent looting, and I’m struggling to convince her that we need policies that address the root of the problem, which is the general financial inequality you speak of.

    Unfortunately, it’s become hard to choose as we’ve come to a point where we have to choose between policies and politicians who pull the rug out either faster or slower, but the rug is still getting yanked one way or another. We all mostly need to talk about all this stuff so that we can change hearts, so I’m happy you are doing that here.

    I totally agree with you that this goes way beyond George Floyd and he has the unfortunate honor of becoming the human fuse, who’s been burned to light a powder keg that has been building since the last financial crises and decades prior.

    I acknowledge that at this point in my life I am closer to the haves than the have nots, and I acknowledge that is as much based on luck as it is on skill and hard work. As I mentioned to Erik, I’ve lost a lot of money fighting the Fed, and I’ve made money because of luck of the draw by virtue of being white, growing up in Bellevue, and many other fortunate circumstances. I’ve also worked hard and made some pretty smart choices.

    As a fellow member of the Bubbles community, I would be happy to give you advice, if I had any, on how to preserve and grow whatever material wealth you have to help yourself, your family and your community. And if you don’t have any material possessions, I might be able to suggest some ways to get some, if I knew a bit more about your situation.

    The relatively unique thing about Erik on Bubbles, is that he seems to be super transparent and open about his material status, background and aspirations, so it makes it easier to interact with him about our specific circumstances. I don’t have to align with his politics or have a similar privilege status to enjoy doing this with him.

    Sorry if I haven’t been paying attention, but knowing little about you Richard, I’ll throw a dart in the dark and suggest you take up small scale farming, as I think that will be a modest growth industry for some time to come. It can even be done on a relatively small plot of earth in an urban or suburban area, and as I mentioned to Erik, I believe there will be opportunities to buy property cheaper in a few years. In the meantime I expect rents will be softening and land owners might be happy to let you farm an empty lot just to keep the weeds down.

    Blessings and good luck out there!

  234. 1984

    RE: Jeff @ 1979

    Hi Jeff:

    Its SWE gulping his crap Yuban and even he’s spitting it out :-)

    The polls are curious creatures, they remind me of crystal ball fog…..the latest Rasmussen Poll shows Biden DNC has 53% support [its fractured in half by Bernie IOWs], Trump has his never Trumpers too, but still has 75% of the GOP support…without party base support, the poll numbers are a joke? I know these things, I’m on the the the GOP King County Post Killer Flu Re-opening Task Force and my single vote is it, in this poll. So throw your cream pies at SWE if ya don’t like my GOP poll voting, BTW, I prefer licking up chocolate ones….LOL

    Hey, that Yuban slop comes in older expiration dates than the older MJB…it is slop, go back to your delicious $5 Starbucks or visit the lovely bikini barista for an exotic mug near you…make sure ya spill your change of the floor, so she has to bend to pick it up? LOL

    There is no brief yet today, Seattle Times laid off all its journalists after reading the HORRIFYING conflicting SWE’s takes???…

    Good News: Tacoma Wide World of Weed lowered their “sale branded” 25% THC sativa/indica to $69/oz, drive a few miles further and pocket more left-over $CASH$….LOL…except you working folk that still have urine testing to keep your jobs. Retire now if you can, join SWE in holistic medical research with herbs….LOL….or throw cream pies at me [chocolate please] if they have urine testing at your jobs.

  235. 1985
    Jeff says:

    RE: softwarengineer @ 1984

    I’d love to sit down with you sometime for a cup of Yuban and “holistic medical research” SWE, and would be happy to provide the research material if you can make it to Sedro-Woolley.

  236. 1986

    De-fund the Seattle Riot Police and Use Protester Grenades Against Them Now

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jun/7/seattle-police-officers-injured-improvised-explosi/

    Hey, maybe the Antifa can innovate and just throw “Japanese Engineered Takata exploding shrapnel bomb air bags” at the Seattle Police…sounds safer than installing them in all our cars’ dashboards the last couple decades…LOL

  237. 1987

    RE: Jeff @ 1985
    I’m Glad You Don’t Have Urine Testing, That Type of Police Surveillance is Evil in a State where its legal.

    Hey, I bet that house of your’s actually has land, its far enough away….so what place is between Kent and your place that doesn’t have Killer Flu quarantines no one cares about anymore…an outdoor park…hey, we could organize a “safe spacing” Bubblehead picnic. Invite everyone, call it “Bubblestock”, like woodstock….we can shout at each other as we converse with N95 muffled mask voices in a politically correct style…while gagging on Yuban…

  238. 1988
    Jeff says:

    RE: softwarengineer @ 1987

    Yeah it sucks folks can be drunk out of their mind every night, and all weekend and still hold down a job, while a forklift driver can smoke a joint on Saturday and fail a weed urine test on Tuesday, leading to termination.

    The tricky thing is there’s really not a good test to see if someone is under the influence of THC in the moment like there is with the alcohol breathalyzer test, so it causes workplaces to use far more sensitive tests that can cause failures and firings up to a month after usage. I understand both sides of the argument as I’d rather not have vehicle and heavy equipment operators high on anything, yet it would be nice if they could kick back and burn one down in their free time if they so choose.

  239. 1989

    RE: Jeff @ 1983

    I wrote this recently in my Kirkland facebook group, and was surprised that most people didn’t know that most of the Seattle Area is predominantly white because blacks weren’t allowed to buy in almost any neighborhood except “The CD”.

    My facebook post:

    For Educational Purposes. With all of the multiple posts about race issues recently, it appears many don’t know the history of why many areas here are and have been predominantly white.

    Almost all areas of the Seattle Area had Deed Restrictions prohibiting anyone not white from leasing or buying property until Martin Luther King was killed. Many today are arguing about whether his life and death made a difference. These Deed Restrictions prohibiting blacks and in some cases Asians from buying property in most of the neighborhoods that are still predominantly white existed and in many cases, though not enforceable, still do if the house wasn’t sold in a very long time.

    These were somewhat dismantled during the riots following Martin Luther King’s Assassination. Those questioning Acts of Civil Disobedience and grand scale rioting need to be aware that right here, these types of Deed Restrictions might still be in force had there been no violent, property destroying riots.

    This from a part of Kirkland: “Said lot or lots shall not be sold, conveyed, or rented nor leased, in whole or in part, to any person not of the White race; nor shall any person not of the White race be permitted to occupy any portion of said lot or lots or of any building thereon, except a domestic servant actually employed by a White occupant of such building.”

    This from Juanita: “All tracts in this plat are restricted to R-1 residential use, according to the provisions of King County Zoning Resolution No. 6494, and shall never be sold to anyone other than a member of the Caucasian race.”

    There is a full list in the link at the bottom and note that most of the areas that are still predominantly white and pricey are highlighted in pink noting restrictions like these. Most of the areas with a healthier diversified population and yet lower prices for the most part in comparison are those NOT highlighted in pink where blacks and in some cases Asians were allowed to rent and buy property.

    Note that it is VERY recently, like last year, that owners were even allowed to remove this language from their Deeds unless the property was sold. See link below.

    ALSO and important, in the last TWO years the State of Washington and subsequently National efforts have been made to force facebook to stop Redlining (actually Steering) by Targeting ads to “appropriate” audiences resulting in what is called “inadvertent discrimination”. “After signing a legally binding agreement with the State of Washington Facebook announced that it would remove at least 5,000 categories from its exclusion system to prevent “misuse”, including those relating to races and religions. On March 19, 2019, to settle a lawsuit with the National Fair Housing Alliance, Facebook agreed to create a separate portal for housing, employment, and credit (HEC) advertising with limited targeting options by September 2019, and to provide a public archive of all HEC advertising. Less than two weeks later, HUD filed a lawsuit against Facebook, formally accusing the company of facilitating housing discrimination.”

    New technologies without oversight are blind to the history and further exacerbate the issue with “targeted” ads. So not an old issue that never needs to be revisited.

    Last but not least, and this a spit in the ocean post about this issue of grand magnitude about this area…as recently as 2015 the Supreme Court had to Rule to retain the Disparate Impact constraints to prevent discrimination and many large housing groups vehemently opposed the Court’s Ruling that supported eradicating even the quietest of discrimination techniques.

    This is not just old news. 1968 did not end the long standing practices to only sell or rent to whites, it just made it illegal to grossly state that in new Deeds and it was many years before people actually agreed to adhere to the new law in practice. There were just as many people for many years saying you can’t make me sell or rent to blacks as there are people today saying you can’t make me wear a mask.

    Look at the list in this link. Now go look at the current day demographics. Think on that and also know that without Martin Luther King’s assassination and the VIOLENT riots that followed, these Deed Restrictions would not have become not enforceable and in some cases these still exist, though not enforceable, in current Deeds in THIS area and until LAST YEAR there was no mechanism to remove them unless a property was sold.

    I moved here in 2004 and I’m a Real Estate Agent. I’ve seen A LOT of these restrictions and it still blows my mind. IN THE PRICIEST OF NEIGHBORHOODS there is/was a Special Clause to allow Non-White people to come in the neighborhood between the hours of X and X to CLEAN their houses. There are some neighborhoods with these restrictions that aren’t on the list for some reason but did have them.

    I’ve only been here since 2004 and I’ve seen more discrimination in my 66 years around the Country than most of you will see if you lived three lifetimes. I still see it, because of what I do for a living. I still have to fight it quietly on a case by case basis often, especially when there are multiple offers on a house. If you don’t see it, you aren’t looking or you are turning a blind eye. Heck, there are people here who don’t want some people to Park in Front of THEIR House!

    I’m not protesting. I never have. I have to nip it in the bud in real time often. To the person who called me “a Karen” the other day, know that classing people with a NAME that defines a prejudice or hatred or negative connotation IS the problem. Labels…even ones like “Karen” are BAD. Period.

    Anyway, it seems many don’t know this history given the comments today on the Martin Luther King posts. So I thought this was important. Scroll by if you disagree.

    https://depts.washington.edu/civilr/covenants.htm
    Effective January 1, 2019, property owners may submit documentation that “strikes” any racially discriminatory language from property records. Proposed by State Representative Christine Kilduff, whose bill passed the legislature and was signed by Gov. Inslee in June 2018, the new law allows a proper…

    Most neighborhoods in the above list say white or caucasian. Clyde Hill said “Aryan Race”.

    In the comments one woman whose father was black and mother was white said they moved from Beacon Hill to North Seattle by having only her mother go with the agent. She did say people did not treat them badly after they moved there, but could only by because no one saw her father or them until after closing.

    Another shared her Pin from the 1964 Open Housing Vote where she campaigned to get rid of the white only restrictions, and Seattle voted NO on getting rid of them.

    It wasn’t until the riots caused by Martin Luther King’s assassination, and DURING the riots that Lyndon B. Johnson rushed the passing of the Bill “On April 5, Johnson wrote a letter to the United States House of Representatives urging passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1968, which included the Fair Housing Act.” MLK was assassinated on April 4th, the day before. The Bill Passed on April 11th. Without the riots it would not have been so.

    Quote from President Johnson so very relevant today due to the foot on the neck reference “”What did you expect? I don’t know why we’re so surprised. When you put your foot on a man’s neck and hold him down for three hundred years, and then you let him up, what’s he going to do? He’s going to knock your block off.”

    People talk about Reparations with regard to Slavery, but locally there needs to be reparations for banning blacks from buying homes except primarily in The CD for most of its history. Even after 1968 it didn’t dead stop as you can tell from the current day demographics and the disparity in opportunities locally projected the impact well beyond 1968 and to this day.

    Look up the history of Boeing “In barring African American membership, the IAM was reinforcing the Boeing Company’s own longstanding policy of racial exclusion. From the company’s founding in 1917 through the first years of World War II, not a single African American was hired at Boeing, despite its massive growth over the period. Members of the African American community challenged the Boeing Company because it had become one of the largest employers in the region, and blacks wanted to be included.”

    Anyway, I was so surprised that almost no one knew this in my facebook group I decided to post it here with Jeff’s chat. Yes Jeff. It was the riots that created meaningful change, not the years in the making Bill that couldn’t get passed until the riots and immediately got passed during the riots. April 4, 1968 to April 11, 1968.

  240. 1990
    Eastsider says:

    RE: Ardell DellaLoggia @ 1989

    This is a most irresponsible post. The race restriction in deeds have been illegal and unenforceable for decades. We likely have an over-representation of Asians in the most exclusive neighborhoods (Clyde Hill “Aryan Race”) in the region. So your claim is baseless. I am perplexed by your apparent advocacy for more violence or am I mistaken? We need cooler heads to prevail in this divided nation, not more extreme rhetoric.

  241. 1991
    sfrz says:

    RE: Eastsider @ 1990 – “If a person survives an ordinary span of sixty years or more, there is every chance that his or her life as a shapely story has ended and all that remains to be experienced is epilogue. Life is not over, but the story is.” ~ Kurt Vonnegut

  242. 1992
    Blurtman says:

    RE: Ardell DellaLoggia @ 1989 – Hi Ardell, I enjoy reading your posts, and you don’t strike me as having a bad bone in your body, but…

    You probably know that all ethnicities suffered from discrimination in the housing market in this country. White Americans were ranked by country of origin and ethnicity, along with black Americans and Mexican Americans. My particular ethnicity was ranked right above the “Negroes and Mexicans”. It looks like yours may have been ranked with this lowest group. See:
    https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/10/19/498536077/interactive-redlining-map-zooms-in-on-americas-history-of-discrimination
    https://digitalchicagohistory.org/exhibits/show/restricted-chicago/other/redlining

    You may know that the Irish were not considered to be white in the USA at one time, and that Italian Americans were lynched in this country. You may know that contemporaneous with the lofty words on the Statue of Liberty plaque, immigration laws restricted the immigration of Southern and Eastern Europeans and Jewish Europeans due to racial purity concerns. See the Immigration Act of 1924, which expired in 1965.

    Since housing discrimination against black Americans particularly concerns you, so much so that you seem to endorse rioting, looting and arson as an appropriate redress, I’d be curious to know what you are doing to expose the people responsible, and to bring them to justice. You certainly have the skill set.

  243. 1993
    Erik says:

    RE: Blurtman @ 1974
    Thank you Blurtman. I think I’ve turned a corner out of the poor house and just need to keep buying and waiting. I’m far from rich, but I have money saved and I have some good investments. Now hopefully it’s just a matter of time.

    Starting at poor is very difficult. Full disclosure, there was a point when I was in a hard money loan and got laid off, my dad helped me out. I guess I can’t say I got zero help anymore.

  244. 1994
    Beano says:

    RE: Ardell DellaLoggia @ 1989

    Great post Ardell.

    Unlike others I had no issue with this education.

    You were educating not judging or conducting a full analysis of race in real estate or America.

    Overall the conventional wisdom is that blacks face racism in the south and from republicans and that the problem remains mostly confined to this.

    Pay attention the white liberal is almost exclusively focused on these two groups when it comes to calling out racism.

    Disgraceful.

    The Pacific Northwest has its own terrible racist past and present. In addition to Seattle real estate, Oregon as another example prohibited blacks from living in the state…period.

    Not even in the south was this law, at any point.

    Oregon also practiced eugenics and forced sterilizations into the 80s!!!

    It’s certainly true that American history subject many, if not most, white ethnic groups to racism bad well. Irish, Italian and jews weren’t considered white. Sounds like how we treat Hispanics today….true, but it was worse.

    It would be nice if people could converse without the labels and shouting down of every comment deemed imperfect thought.

    It’s all too common in society and possibly even more prevalent here.

  245. 1995
    Jeff says:

    RE: Ardell DellaLoggia @ 1989

    Thanks so much for this Ardell, and I think I might share your perspective with my mom.

    Hey Eastsider, if anyone has a long term record of having a cool head here on Bubbles, it would seem to be Ardell. She’s taken heat from many angles, and generally keeps her cool. Maybe someday we will be friends too if you can ever get to a place where my comments don’t make you so hot headed.

  246. 1996
    David says:

    By Eastsider @ 1990:

    RE: Ardell DellaLoggia @ 1989

    This is a most irresponsible post. The race restriction in deeds have been illegal and unenforceable for decades. We likely have an over-representation of Asians in the most exclusive neighborhoods (Clyde Hill “Aryan Race”) in the region. So your claim is baseless. I am perplexed by your apparent advocacy for more violence or am I mistaken? We need cooler heads to prevail in this divided nation, not more extreme rhetoric.

    I think you are correct. Here is a list of the races that bought my properties in the past 17 years:

    1) Black
    2) Black
    3) Black
    4) East Asian
    5) Black
    6) White
    7) Black
    8) Vietnamese

    Race was totally irrelevant to any of these transactions. I’m not even sure I knew the race of several until closing. All I cared about was were they prequalified.

    There was not even a mechanism to DISCRIMINATE.

    Anyone really saying anything contradictory is looking for a narrative – aka cuckoldry.

  247. 1997
    David says:

    By Beano @ 1994:

    RE: Ardell DellaLoggia @ 1989

    Great post Ardell.

    Unlike others I had no issue with this education.

    You were educating not judging or conducting a full analysis of race in real estate or America.

    Overall the conventional wisdom is that blacks face racism in the south and from republicans and that the problem remains mostly confined to this.

    Pay attention the white liberal is almost exclusively focused on these two groups when it comes to calling out racism.

    Disgraceful.

    The Pacific Northwest has its own terrible racist past and present. In addition to Seattle real estate, Oregon as another example prohibited blacks from living in the state…period.

    Not even in the south was this law, at any point.

    Oregon also practiced eugenics and forced sterilizations into the 80s!!!

    It’s certainly true that American history subject many, if not most, white ethnic groups to racism bad well. Irish, Italian and jews weren’t considered white. Sounds like how we treat Hispanics today….true, but it was worse.

    It would be nice if people could converse without the labels and shouting down of every comment deemed imperfect thought.

    It’s all too common in society and possibly even more prevalent here.

    At the end of the day, the BLM narrative is going to fail horrendously. The crime statistics are completely damning. They will not change in our lifetimes.

    41 people are murdered every day (on average) : 15,000-20,000 annually. Minimum 150,000/decade.

    30% of those murders are NEVER solved. That means there are 45,000 murderers out there who are not incarcerated.

    One racial group which constitutes 4% (male) of the population is responsible for >50% of murders, >60% of armed robberies. The rape stat is even worse.

    If the police are defunded in those communities, it will be Darwinian – and hilarious.

  248. 1998
    David says:

    RE: David @ 1997 – Imagine you’re a newborn baby (1 hour old). Now imagine you’ve already had George Floyd put a gun to your head..

    George Floyd committed a home invasion robbery and put a gun to the pregnant woman’s unborn baby.

    NOT the hero we need. A legend for all the wrong reasons.

  249. 1999
    Dave says:

    I’m only posting because y’all triggered Ardell, not cool.

    The data doesn’t change much year to year so I used the most recent confirmed clean data from 2016.

    Blacks killed in US 2016, 2870
    Blacks killed by whites in US 2016, 243
    **Blacks killed by police while unarmed in US 2016, 16 of 48 unarmed shootings.
    Blacks killed by police while armed in US 2016, 232
    Blacks killed by blacks in US 2016, 2,570

    ** This is what the protests are about. Yea, that.
    Everything else is economic inequality and that’s an entirely different conversation.

    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3.xls

  250. 2000

    RE: Eastsider @ 1990

    They are only unenforceable because of the MLK riots, is the point. Maybe you didn’t read the whole thing. It was long.

    No one wants riots and the context of the piece where it was originally written was people trying to claim that the riots had no impact back when MLK was assassinated. They had immediate impact.

    Today I really don’t know what the fix is and of course not the same in all areas of the Country, but someone has to come up with something and defunding the police is NOT “it”.

    Most of the people being all BLM at the moment are the same people who will initial their current deeds over the last 50 years for the legal description and not blink at the “white only” language in their own property Deeds. The County should have gone to the expense of drafting new deeds way back in 1968.

    You do know it is still not automatic and people weren’t even allowed to do it until last year unless they sold. Bad move and I’m OK with it…but let’s not throw stones at the rest of the Country as if this was some progressive area from the getgo. Laughable when people put up pictures of Trump in his 30’s to say he was a racist, as if this area has the right to throw stones.

    As late as 2004 Agents were putting the Deeds with the all white restrictions on the table at an Open House in the “Buyer Packet”. They still use those Deeds for the “legal description” without even caring who is reading it. And when a black woman in Mount Baker sued because she was horribly embarrassed while reading it in an Open House agents were shocked she sued.

    Like you they the thought somehow “not enforceable anymore” should mean it could stay in there and be disbursed freely. It shouldn’t bother anyone to read it because somewhere in some law it wasn’t enforceable. It wasn’t until January of last year Eastsider that you could even ASK for it to be removed if the property hasn’t sold in a long time…and it’s still not an automatic change if the owner doesn’t ask.

    I can’t believe you are defending that in this day and age. Even 20 years ago it was bad. 40 years ago. Black Lives Matter but you can leave racist language from 1968 to present and just let it naturally erode itself. Bad Move PNW. I used to see them all the time when I first moved here in 2004. I see them less and less at least.

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