Around the Sound: Still a dismal market for buyers everywhere

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Let’s take a look at our stats for the local regions outside of the King/Snohomish core. Here’s your October update to our “Around the Sound” statistics for Pierce, Kitsap, Thurston, Island, Skagit, and Whatcom counties.

Things are looking pretty similar all around the Puget Sound region—extremely low supply, high demand, and skyrocketing prices. The one tiny bright spot for buyers is that new listings are higher than they were a year ago in every county.

First up, a summary table:

October 2020 King Snohomish Pierce Kitsap Thurston Island Skagit Whatcom
Median Price $745,000 $579,972 $430,000 $437,000 $395,000 $449,000 $441,500 $474,450
Price YOY 12.9% 17.2% 17.8% 13.2% 13.4% 24.7% 17.6% 13.2%
New Listings 2,986 1,309 1,512 472 492 173 197 320
New Listings YOY 29.7% 20.6% 23.1% 27.9% 21.8% 29.1% 4.2% 4.9%
Active Listings 2,258 652 881 280 217 122 188 323
Active YOY -37.6% -59.2% -46.6% -42.5% -54.4% -60.3% -44.9% -51.4%
Pending Sales 3,007 1,403 1,658 524 549 182 219 331
Pending YOY 16.0% 12.4% 11.2% 10.3% 11.8% 16.7% -0.5% 2.2%
Closed Sales 3,027 1,438 1,520 527 522 179 232 344
Closed YOY 36.0% 36.0% 18.0% 28.9% 15.0% 32.6% 22.1% 19.0%
Months of Supply 0.7 0.5 0.6 0.5 0.4 0.7 0.8 0.9

Median home prices were up in every single county from a year earlier. King County’s 13 percent increase was actually the smallest around the sound, while the largest price gains were in Island County.

Median Sale Price Single-Family Homes

Year-Over-Year Change in Median Sale Price Single-Family Homes

Here’s the one sort-of bright spot for buyers: New listings are on the rise, especially in King County.

New Listings of Single-Family Homes

However, active listings are down dramatically from a year ago in every county. The biggest decline was in Island County (probably no surprise then that prices are up the most there), where listings fell by 60 percent from a year earlier. King County saw the smallest drop, but was still down 38 percent.

Active Listings of Single-Family Homes

Closed sales were up across the board in every single county. The biggest gains were in King and Snohomish Counties, which both saw closed sales increase 36 percent from a year ago. Pierce and Thurston had the smallest gains at 18 percent and 15 percent, respectively.

Closed Sales of Single-Family Homes

Months of supply is just absolutely abysmal for buyers everywhere. Every single county less than one month of supply in October.

Months of Supply Single Family Homes

In summary: It’s still a pretty terrible time to be a home buyer, across the entire Greater Seattle Area.

If there is certain data you would like to see or ways you would like to see the data presented differently, drop a comment below and let me know.

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3,260 comments:

  1. 3001
    David says:

    The masks do almost nothing to stop the spread.

    Why hasn’t the FDA approved the vaccines?

    How long til the public pulls Fauci out of his house and throws him off a bridge for funding and creating a disease that shouldn’t exist in nature?

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 2953:

    This is what happens if your Governor is an ignorant anti-masker. Six school districts in Texas that followed his moratorium are shut down already.

    https://www.khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/covid-19-outbreaks-temporarily-close-4-texas-school-districts-where-masks-were-optional/285-3e6d4016-4bf1-4300-a574-435d3d8c3927

  2. 3002
    David says:

    Why is Biden shipping infected foreigners all over the USA ???

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 2953

  3. 3003
    David says:

    Has anyone at the Texas schools died? Nope.

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 2953

  4. 3004
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    By David @ 2956:

    Has anyone at the Texas schools died? Nope.

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 2953

    That’s your standard? /Rolleyes I guess it doesn’t matter that the students are back at remote learning, which is hardly ideal and something to be avoided.

    Also I’d point out that hospitalization lags new cases and deaths lag hospitalization, so it wouldn’t be likely for that to have occurred yet. But here’s a Texas teen who recently died. He apparently was in the hospital by the time school started.

    https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2021/08/17/dayton-woman-says-her-12-year-old-son-died-from-covid-19-complications/
    Oh, and just claiming masks do nothing to stop the spread doesn’t make it true. This is a respiratory disease. We’ve already covered all that recently so I won’t bother to do it again.

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  7. 3007
    Eastsider says:

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 2947:

    You do realize that pregnant women don’t do well with Covid, and there is no evidence the vaccine hurts the baby.

    What is your point? Evidence either way won’t be out for years. But we all know that these “vaccines” are experimental.

  8. 3008
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    RE: Eastsider @ 2960 – What’s my point? How about reading the rest of the post that you apparently didn’t bother to read or quote. I’ll give you a second chance (below).

    Are you in favor of early births and miscarriages? Note this isn’t forced on the women, but something they are allowing responsible mothers to choose to do for their health and the health of their babies.

    Oh wait. You do realize that a pregnancy only lasts 9 months, right? These mothers don’t have the time to wait for years. /rolleyes

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 2947:

    By S-Crow @ 2945:

    UW Medicine recently stated kids under 12 yrs old are not yet authorized to get the Vaccine. Meanwhile, UW Medicine says pregnant women do well (no mention of the baby obviously) with the Vaccine. Hmmm, weird about that age thing.

    You do realize that pregnant women don’t do well with Covid, and there is no evidence the vaccine hurts the baby. Due to the way the mother and fetus exchange oxygen it’s possible the vaccine itself never reaches the baby, although maybe that happens in ways other than blood flow–just guessing. But in any case I’ll leave this for you to ponder, something I read earlier this morning.

    COVID-19 has claimed the lives of two unborn Central Texas infants, the Waco-McLennan County Health District announced late Tuesday afternoon.

    . . .

    The mother of the twins tested positive for COVID-19 during her pregnancy but has since recovered.

    KWTX asked how far along the mother was, her age, and if she’d been vaccinated against the virus, however, health officials said they couldn’t answer due to health privacy laws.

    “Pregnant women with COVID-19 are at increased risk of preterm birth and miscarriages” Local Health Authority Dr. Farley Verner said.

    https://www.kwtx.com/2021/08/17/covid-19-claims-lives-two-unborn-central-texas-infants/

    But yeah, we should question medical authorities when even reading the news people should know otherwise.

  9. 3009
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    RE: Eastsider @ 2960 – My first comment went into moderation, so here’s a shortened version.

    What’s my point? How about reading the rest of the post that you apparently didn’t bother to read or quote.

    Are you in favor of early births and miscarriages? Note this isn’t forced on the women, but something they are allowing responsible mothers to choose to do for their health and the health of their babies.

    Oh wait. You do realize that a pregnancy only lasts 9 months, right? These mothers don’t have the time to wait for years. /rolleyes

  10. 3010
    S-Crow says:

    Listened to a MD and Veteran this morning who put back together what was left of some soldiers in Afghanistan (who just moved to Snohomish Co.) and said the mask mandates are useless and don’t help much if anything for virus and it is mostly political BS. Said the complete failure of medical community to address the real problem which cannot be overstated: the underlying problem afflicting a high number of those who get Covid and subsequently die: Obese, Metabolic Syndrome, Diabetic, Hypertension, Insulin resistance, etc.

    But that goes against health organizations protocols of being a dispensary of drugs vs asking what people are putting into their body and making healthy lifestyles paramount.

  11. 3011
    S-Crow says:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 2961 – Ah, because only “responsible women” would inject an experimental drug in their body (expecting to get pregnant soon or during pregnancy) because without it the mother may miscarry and/or the baby could die due to the mother getting Covid.

    I have a daughter in law I’d like to inform that since she has already tested positive for Covid and has antibodies from that she shouldn’t rely just on those for a healthy pregnancy. She should get a shot because 1) she wouldn’t be responsible without it 2) the unknown side effects are subordinate to the benefit of the shot…because they know the benefit outweighs the potential long term side side effects, that we don’t’ know about yet. But it’s known that 12 yr old or younger are not yet approved, but we expect that they will be approved for the shot.

    mmmkay/ eyesrolling/lmao.

  12. 3012
    David says:

    Give a teacher a chance to get out of teaching for the day and they will !!!!

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 2957:

    By David @ 2956:

    Has anyone at the Texas schools died? Nope.

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 2953

    That’s your standard? /Rolleyes I guess it doesn’t matter that the students are back at remote learning, which is hardly ideal and something to be avoided.

    Also I’d point out that hospitalization lags new cases and deaths lag hospitalization, so it wouldn’t be likely for that to have occurred yet. But here’s a Texas teen who recently died. He apparently was in the hospital by the time school started.

    https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2021/08/17/dayton-woman-says-her-12-year-old-son-died-from-covid-19-complications/
    Oh, and just claiming masks do nothing to stop the spread doesn’t make it true. This is a respiratory disease. We’ve already covered all that recently so I won’t bother to do it again.

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    David says:

    I can’t believe people are thinking like this. An RNA-based experimental vaccine that the FDA will not approve while they study it, is just no big deal for babies. Because…………………………….

    Craziness !!!!! Drink the KoolAid.

    Again, Biden wouldn’t be allowing infected people to fly into communities maskless from Mexico if it was a big deal.

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 2961:

    RE: Eastsider @ 2960 – These mothers don’t have the time to wait for years. /rolleyes

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    ruxpert says:

    RE: David @ 2964

    Craziness !!!!! Drink the KoolAid.
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/g0nF9cVjMkOb/

  17. 3017
    ruxpert says:

    Massive fraud in reporting vaccine injuries;
    withheld data,
    pretense of “safe and effective”

    https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2021/08/17/massive-fraud-in-reporting-vaccine-injuries-withheld-data-pretense-of-safe/

  18. 3018
    Eastsider says:

    WHO vs CDC. Where are the fact checkers?

    WHO: Third COVID-19 vaccine unnecessary
    https://www.jpost.com/health-science/who-third-covid-19-vaccine-unnecessary-677074

    WHO chief scientist Soumya Swaminathan, asked about the need for boosters to increase protection against the disease, told a Geneva news conference: “We believe clearly that the data today does not indicate that boosters are needed.”

    Further research was needed, she added.

    Bingo! Anecdotal data – perhaps. But there has not been a booster trial to back this up. We have no idea how long the 3rd booster shot will last. I read in previous animal trials, repeated booster vaccine shots provide shorter and shorter duration. Add to that – adverse side effects, potential ADE and Marek’s disease,…

    We are basically flying blind.

  19. 3019
    ruxpert says:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 2930

    Kary wrote:
    RE: ruxpert @ 2928 – I’m sorry, but I’m tired of reading your links to find out what specific point you think they make. Make a point and I’ll disprove it if it is misinformation, guaranteed.

    My computer doesn’t need the health risk of going to your nonsense sites. I haven’t seen any stats on this, but I would suspect anti-vaxer sites are probably just as risky as porn sites when it comes to malware. Edit: I’d forgotten about this over a year ago.”

    =====
    Good. Than hopefully you and your Vax-happy cohort ‘Whatsmayname’ will stop dumping your harassment nonsense pretending to have examined and dealt with the details of articles/videos presented.
    Your ‘demonizing’ nonsense in lieu of info-processing accountability might fool some, but I don’t think many fall for your little racket of bogus-authority.
    So, thank you for the good news that you will stop pissing your nonsense on my posts.
    (& Hopefully your not telling another lie! ;-)

  20. 3020
    Eastsider says:

    Medscape is a website for medical professional. There are well over 1,000 comments from doctors and nurses discussing Covid vaccine adverse events below –

    How concerned are you about adverse events related to the vaccines?
    “Commenting is limited to medical professionals.”
    https://www.medscape.com/sites/public/covid-19/vaccine-insights/how-concerned-are-you-about-vaccine-related-adverse-events

  21. 3021
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    By S-Crow @ 2963:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 2961 – Ah, because only “responsible women” would inject an experimental drug in their body (expecting to get pregnant soon or during pregnancy) because without it the mother may miscarry and/or the baby could die due to the mother getting Covid.

    I have a daughter in law I’d like to inform that since she has already tested positive for Covid and has antibodies from that she shouldn’t rely just on those for a healthy pregnancy. She should get a shot because 1) she wouldn’t be responsible without it 2) the unknown side effects are subordinate to the benefit of the shot…because they know the benefit outweighs the potential long term side side effects, that we don’t’ know about yet. But it’s known that 12 yr old or younger are not yet approved, but we expect that they will be approved for the shot.

    First, I wouldn’t necessarily call the vaccine experimental, but it is one approved on an emergency basis. Second, what you’re missing is that without this permission the pregnant women would not be given a choice.

    As to the MD/Vet in your prior post, you can find one person who will say anything in any profession. So that means little. But go back and ask them if a person coughs or sneezes in the same room as them, would they be better protected if the person was or was not wearing a mask? Too many people think the mask just protects them, but really it’s more that the mask protects people from other people.

  22. 3022
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    By David @ 2965:

    Disney World is removing mask mandates again TODAY !!!

    That is pretty surprising, but other companies (e.g. Costco) have made some pretty bone-headed decisions too regarding the protection of their employees.

    What’s more shocking is who in their right mind would be going to Disney World given what is going on in Florida? Masks required or not. Who would even go to Florida for any reason if they could avoid it? Disneyworld obviously doesn’t have the brightest customer base, so maybe they have to do this to avoid customer revolt and difficult situations.

  23. 3023
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    By ruxpert @ 2969:

    Good. Than hopefully you and your Vax-happy cohort ‘Whatsmayname’ will stop dumping your harassment nonsense pretending to have examined and dealt with the details of articles/videos presented.

    I’ve never pretended any such thing. I’ve addressed specific points with legitimate sources to back up what I’m saying.

    I get people being vaccine skeptical. What I don’t get is people who try to convince others to have their same position when the vast majority of educated experts on the subject take a contrary position. I’m not trying to convince others here to get vaccinated, but instead merely refutting the misinformation that you, Eastsider and even surprisingly S-Crow have been posting.

    And when it comes to the anti-maskers, those people are just complete nutcases. Particularly those who get violent on airplanes. How ignorant and even stupid are they if they didn’t know before getting on a plane that they’d be required to wear a mask?

    We live in a world where people are easily brainwashed. Not everyone is as skeptical as me (something that should be obvious to people here who remember my posts from years ago). The worst example is Pizzagate. Humans are far too gullible and think if they hear something twice it must be true.

  24. 3024
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    By Eastsider @ 2968:

    WHO vs CDC. Where are the fact checkers?
    WHO: Third COVID-19 vaccine unnecessary

    I’m not a big fan of either entity, but clearly WHO does not have the interest of the United States in mind, and clearly they screwed up big time at the beginning of this outbreak. Notwithstanding that, I sort of agree with them. I don’t think we have the breakthrough data at this point that clearly spells out the need for a booster shot. As the CDC’s own study yesterday indicated, they don’t know the reason for a lower level of effectiveness–it could be a lowering of restrictions and changes in behavior. Washington’s new case counts would be strong evidence of the latter. Oh, and BTW, on the topic of lack of breakthrough data, Washington was supposed to update their report yesterday and did not.

    I’d be more inclined to think a booster shot was necessary after more evidence is presented OR preferably after the shot is tweaked to better address Delta or a later variation. That said, I don’t have a problem with it for the immunocompromised, or even people over X years of age. The FDA still needs to weigh in on this issue, so we’ll see what they say.

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    Kary L. Krismer says:

    On the topic of the vaccines not being experimental–a false claim many have made here to spread vaccine misinformation.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-vaccines/corrected-fact-check-covid-19-vaccines-are-not-experimental-and-they-have-not-skipped-trial-stages-idUSL1N2M70MW

  27. 3027
    David says:

    If the vaccines have long-term health consequences, then the Government will just say you shouldn’t have gotten it before FDA approval.

    Once this is over, foreign countries are going to sue the USA for having funded gain-of-function viruses.

  28. 3028
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    By David @ 2977:

    If the vaccines have long-term health consequences, then the Government will just say you shouldn’t have gotten it before FDA approval.

    Not sure what the motivation would be for that, or how well that would go over. Rather an absurd prediction.

    Once this is over, foreign countries are going to sue the USA for having funded gain-of-function viruses.

    More nonsense. If the US were to do such research, they certainly wouldn’t farm it out to China to perform. What’s sad is that in this case at least one Senator was spewing that nonsense. But we’ve seen bad behavior from politicians before, so it’s not unexpected.

  29. 3029
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    Wow, some people are really stupid. This couple, not surprisingly from Florida, used fake vaccine cards to go to Hawaii. They were arrested. Their scam was a bit obvious in that they also had vaccine cards for their 4 and 5 year old kids! Not the brightest bulbs.

    https://www.wkbn.com/news/coronavirus/florida-couple-arrested-in-hawaii-with-fake-covid-vaccination-cards-officials-say/

  30. 3030
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    Here’s a real estate topic. Does Redmond have a non-imported homeless population? People camping on the sidewalks, in their cars or in wooded areas? I haven’t been to Redmond for quite some time, so I don’t know. But their mayor is talking about their homeless population.

    https://komonews.com/news/local/redmond-mayor-speaks-out-about-controversial-homeless-shelter-plan

  31. 3031
    Eastsider says:

    Finally, an accurate assessment of the current state of vaccination from the “paper of record.” We embarked on the biggest medical experiment in history. The record so far has been mixed, at best. Dr Malone just heightened the ADE risk again this morning. (He had the vaccine.) Regardless of what the establishment tells you, they have no clue where we are heading.

    Israel, Once the Model for Beating Covid, Faces New Surge of Infections
    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/18/world/middleeast/israel-virus-infections-booster.html

    Excerpts –

    JERUSALEM — Last spring, Israel’s remarkably swift vaccination campaign was seen as a global model. Coronavirus infections plummeted, an electronic pass allowed the vaccinated to attend indoor concerts and sporting events, and distancing rules and mask mandates were eventually scrapped.

    Israel offered the world a hopeful glimpse of the way out of the pandemic.

    No longer.

    A fourth wave of infections is rapidly approaching the levels of Israel’s worst days of the pandemic last winter. The daily rate of confirmed new virus cases has more than doubled in the last two weeks, making Israel a rising hot spot on the international charts.

    The problem, he said, was that what was true for the original virus “did not necessarily hold true for future variants coupled with waning immunity.”

    Data published by Israel’s Ministry of Health in late July suggested that the Pfizer shot was just 39 percent effective against preventing infection in the country in late June and early July, compared with 95 percent from January to early April. In both periods, however, the shot was more than 90 percent effective in preventing severe disease.

    Unlike previous epicenters of infection in Israel’s crowded, less-vaccinated ultra-Orthodox communities, this scourge primarily took hold in well-vaccinated, middle-class suburbs.

    “The Israeli public has not yet absorbed that we are in a fourth, significant wave,” said Tomer Lotan, director general of the Ministry of Public Security, which is responsible for enforcement. “We are still in routine mode, with the feeling that we are vaccinated. It’s hard to make the switch in public discourse and say, ‘Listen, we are in a catastrophe.’

    On the four highlighted quotes –

    1. ADE risk
    2. Fauci mentioned minimum of 50% efficacy for human use last year. So now 3rd shot for a “vaccine” with 39% efficacy?
    3. Pandemic of the vaccinated?
    4. We are clueless.

  32. 3032
    Voight-kampff says:

    RE: Eastsider @ 2981

    Ok. You and others are mask and vaccine skeptical and you and others like using google to support your skepticism. You are critical of the strategies used thus far to end the pandemic. Got it. So what is your suggestion for ending the pandemic? We should stop using masks? We should stop vaccinating? Just throw up our hands and let nature take its course?
    I’m reminded of asking you the same question when you were skeptical of RE investment. You like to be against things, but what are you in support of? You clearly like to portray that you are in the know. So put that high powered perception on the line. What is your solution?

  33. 3033
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    By Eastsider @ 2981:

    On the four highlighted quotes –

    1. ADE risk
    2. Fauci mentioned minimum of 50% efficacy for human use last year. So now 3rd shot for a “vaccine” with 39% efficacy?
    3. Pandemic of the vaccinated?
    4. We are clueless.

    1. A risk only, compared to a known threat. And one that will likely never be known.
    2. What, you’re admitting that 50% has been the threshold? Something I mentioned yesterday in response to complaints about 64%.
    3. Not what the data shows–just misinformation.
    4. Assuming that’s a royal we, I agree! ;-)

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    Kary L. Krismer says:

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 2974:

    . . .I don’t think we have the breakthrough data at this point that clearly spells out the need for a booster shot. As the CDC’s own study yesterday indicated, they don’t know the reason for a lower level of effectiveness–it could be a lowering of restrictions and changes in behavior. Washington’s new case counts would be strong evidence of the latter. Oh, and BTW, on the topic of lack of breakthrough data, Washington was supposed to update their report yesterday and did not.

    I’d be more inclined to think a booster shot was necessary after more evidence is presented OR preferably after the shot is tweaked to better address Delta or a later variation. That said, I don’t have a problem with it for the immunocompromised, or even people over X years of age. The FDA still needs to weigh in on this issue, so we’ll see what they say.

    Scientists agree with me, practically word for word. Oh and this is also evidence that Eastsider’s claim of a pandemic of the unvaccinated is just misinformation and BS.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/19/covid-booster-shots-scientists-blast-us-move-as-premature.html

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    Kary L. Krismer says:

    As of last month, if not currently, Alabama was the least vaccinated state in the country. Now this. More patients than ICU beds.

    https://www.npr.org/2021/08/19/1029260134/alabama-hospitals-icu-beds

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    Kary L. Krismer says:

    The state finally released the updated breakthrough report. It too fails to support the need for a booster. Only about 60 breakthrough cases in the past two weeks outside the healthcare/long-term care arena. And again I’ll note that to get a Covid test now you need to specify your vaccination information, so the last two week data should be fairly complete (subject to a few tests coming in late).

    https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/1600/coronavirus/data-tables/StatewideCOVID-19OutbreakReport.pdf

    Still no information on the break through cases–type of vaccine, etc.

    Oh and this is additional evidence that Eastsider’s claim of a pandemic of the vaccinated is misinformation and BS.

  38. 3038
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    This is what happens when hospitals run out of space. You don’t get taken to the hospital no matter what is wrong with you.

    First responders are still able to render aid to people suffering medical emergencies, but hospital transport is unfeasible due to emergency rooms being overwhelmed with Covid patients, according to Steven Millhouse of Mobile Fire and Rescue.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2021/08/18/critical-mass-level-zero-ambulances-in-mobile-ala-stop-taking-people-to-hospitals-amid-covid-surge/

    And another report you can Google from wbay.com noted that emergency responders waiting at hospitals cannot respond to other calls.

    “Keep in mind that other emergencies like heart attacks, strokes, car accidents and grandparents falling still happen every day–they don’t wait for COVID to just magically go away. Just another eye-opening example of hospitals struggling to keep up with COVID-19,” said EAMC.

    This is all due to people being fed vaccine misinformation and basing science decisions on political belief.

  39. 3039
    David White says:

    The genie is never going back in the bottle. COVID is overrated and will be just another disease at some point. No one sits around scared of regular pneumonia. BUT lots of people die of it – mostly old people.

    There is also an FDA approved vaccine for Pneumonia which I will get when I turn 65 (the required age to get it).

  40. 3040
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    Data on breakthrough cases from Wisconsin indicating that Eastsider’s claim of pandemic of the vaccinated is BS. For July the unvaccinated cases were about 1/3rd in number per 100,000, hopitalizations about 1/4 the rate and deaths about 1/10th.

    https://gray-wmtv-prod.cdn.arcpublishing.com/resizer/yedJ6I1I5T_YKskd39LbMiknTm0=/980×0/smart/filters:quality(85)/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/gray/2DNOSGGG7FEUXHS2A6ODJAG5J4.png

  41. 3041

    And in the world of local real estate, starting 8/23/21 masks are once again required, and sellers can impose additional requirements. Not that I ever stopped wearing a mask in listings. Not that big of a deal and better safe than sorry.

    https://mailchi.mp/262765f75d2b/monday-update-for-september-23-1525208?e=c34d8016f8

  42. 3042
    ruxpert says:

    Dr.Vladimir Zelenko: I´m not anti-vaxxer… I´m anti-stupid and COVID “vaccines” are unnecessary | Exposes Dangers of COVID-19 Vaccines to Israeli Politicians & Health Minister
    https://tinyurl.com/mf4d7tcj

  43. 3043
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    RE: ruxpert @ 2992 – Well when I look for advice on a novel coronavirus I always look for advice from a family doctor who is out of step with those better trained in the science. /sarc

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Zelenko

    But I should have known this was somehow connected to Trump, his supporters seem to be very susceptible to misinformation.

  44. 3044
    don says:

    RE: David White @ 2989

    43881 died of pneumonia in 2019.

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/pneumonia.htm

    625000 so far from covid according to Johns Hopkins

  45. 3045
    Eastsider says:

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 2983:

    By Eastsider @ 2981:

    On the four highlighted quotes –

    1. ADE risk
    2. Fauci mentioned minimum of 50% efficacy for human use last year. So now 3rd shot for a “vaccine” with 39% efficacy?
    3. Pandemic of the vaccinated?
    4. We are clueless.

    1. A risk only, compared to a known threat. And one that will likely never be known.
    2. What, you’re admitting that 50% has been the threshold? Something I mentioned yesterday in response to complaints about 64%.
    3. Not what the data shows–just misinformation.
    4. Assuming that’s a royal we, I agree! ;-)

    1. A risk, if it occurs, will result in deaths orders of magnitude higher than Covid deaths.
    2. I only quoted Fauci to prove my point.
    3. I did not say there is a pandemic of vaccinated. See the BIG QUESTION MARK?
    4. Sorry nobody cares what you think.

  46. 3046
    Eastsider says:

    By Voight-kampff @ 2982:

    Ok. You and others are mask and vaccine skeptical and you and others like using google to support your skepticism. You are critical of the strategies used thus far to end the pandemic. Got it. So what is your suggestion for ending the pandemic? We should stop using masks? We should stop vaccinating? Just throw up our hands and let nature take its course?
    I’m reminded of asking you the same question when you were skeptical of RE investment. You like to be against things, but what are you in support of? You clearly like to portray that you are in the know. So put that high powered perception on the line. What is your solution?

    You only read what you want to read.

    I have been suggesting that old and immunocompromised individuals likely benefit from vaccination given the risk reward calculation. I have also suggested that the same calculation is upside down for young and healthy people. I even include the link to the mortality risk calculator.

    After 18 months, we still do not have a widely “approved”(under EUA) and accessible therapeutic drug for treatment and prophylaxis. Data shows that Ivermectin works (witness India wave dissipated when they adopted IVM.) People are not stupid so they are forced to buy “horse paste” because CDC/NIH/State health departments would not approve IVM (and HCQ) and sowed fear that the drug is dangerous which is complete BS. Of course there are so many anti-science propaganda that do more harm than good, e.g. vaccinate even if you have natural immunity from previous infection!

    Sweden does not have higher fatalities than U.S. yet they now have basically zero Covid deaths.

    There is no one way to approach the pandemic but the U.S. way is primarily focused on (big pharma) profit. FAA failed because it was captured by Boeing. CDC/NIH are no different.

  47. 3047
    Erik says:

    RE: don @ 2994
    I believe conspiracists like myself believe things such as the common flu were said to be covid when they weren’t. The claim is that the data is corrupt.

    One example is when trump was president, if you died and had covid, you died of covid. After Biden took office, the Democrats were able to change that definition. Also early covid tests couldn’t decipher between covid and the common flu. The hospitals got more money if a patient died of covid, so I believe a lot of common flu deaths were probably called covid when they weren’t.

    The whole thing is fishy. We were in a trade war with China right before an election and the virus came from a lab China. China immediately closed down travel within their own country and forgot to tell USA and Europe about it and sent air passengers to those countries.

    There is too much circumstantial evidence to believe there wasn’t foul play. I’m stating the reason I believe what I believe. I don’t watch the news and try to stay away from most media because I believe it’s all corrupt. If you are fighting that covid is the real deal and your scared, using the cdc’s data is not a good argument for those us conspiracists.

  48. 3048
    Voight-kampff says:

    RE: Eastsider @ 2996

    Thank you for answering. I do try to understand what you write. In fact I recall that you recommend vaccines for old and immune compromised. I’m just trying to understand what you believe the alternative solutions to be. Literally Hundreds of countries are actively using vaccines as a solution. Are they all misguided? Are they all controlled by big pharma? A healthy population, vaccines, masks, and distance are the only tools available to fight this, and unfortunately we don’t have a healthy population. FYI, I support making COVID vaccines open source so they can be made anywhere and more affordably.

  49. 3049
    don says:

    RE: Erik @ 2997
    Eric
    I understand your position and disagree with it, let’s just leave it there .

  50. 3050
    ruxpert says:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 2993
    dear Kary Krueger The Vaccinator

    You are a hypocrite / liar!
    Thus cannot /will-not follow own advice regarding ‘source reliability’!
    Your sources are fraudulent!
    It is documented.
    I will re-post regarding CDC / FDA ‘Covid-testing fraud, ‘Unvaccinated-Narrative’ fraud, etc.
    (I see another vax-happy has recently tried to ply the ‘Covid-Deaths’ claim/LIE here again!)

    and let’s not forget your lying / pushing said ‘Unvaccinated-Pandemic’ bullhonk
    —–
    You are so full of bullhonk you have to distract via ‘Trump’ nonsense, because you can’t deal with the details.
    You conflate to misdirect to obfuscate to bury/censor what you don’t want dealt with accountably.
    Just look at the Reality of Yourself buying into the Scamdemic lie, vaccinated lashing-out lying unable to deal with the reality of your stupid behavior of getting jabbed.
    YOU are not a good source to trust in! And: You are a liar!
    Not good credentials!

    ===========
    Let us begin with the recent slander/assassination-attempts by the vax-happy duo/tag-team:

    an excerpt:
    “a highly untrustworthy site (for information, not malware).
    There are some very unscrupulous people in this world and many gullible people fall for their antics.”
    re:
    RFK Jr
    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/
    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/welcome-to-the-defender/
    ( any honest investigation about RFK Jr. / childrenshealthdefense. org will see what disgusting liars Kary & WhatsMyName are)

    These vax-assassins are as demonstrated: corrupt/hypocritical-projectors lying about good sources, while covering-for, And peddling bad/corrupt sources.

  51. 3051
    Erik says:

    RE: don @ 2994
    Also did you know Trump pulled funding from the CDC? Do you know who picked up the bill? Our friend Bill Gates who regrets “hanging out” with Jeffrey Epstein after his divorce. Now big tech is censoring everyone an opposing opinion and they blocked Trump from social media platforms. The whole thing is at a minimum extremely sketchy.

    Also, a lot of people like myself also believe this is the fourth turning crisis phase. The resolution of what happens in the next 16-18 years will set the trajectory for the next 80 years(2040-2120).

    Citing CDC data is what the bad people want you to do IMO, so you need to dig a little deeper and really understand this thing.

  52. 3052
    Erik says:

    RE: don @ 2999
    Okay, just got your comment. I’ll leave it.

  53. 3053
    ruxpert says:

    RE: ruxpert @ 3000

    RFK Jr — “It’s a formula for a permanent reliance on the vaccines”
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/JZc4iChFj8yq/

  54. 3054
    ruxpert says:

    RE: Afghanistan

    Lara Logan Red-Pills on Afghanistan
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/MJJuEzNjtJlS/

    =====

    Julian Assange on Afghanistan
    https://rumble.com/vle5l5-julian-assange-on-afghanistan.html

  55. 3055
    Eastsider says:

    RE: Voight-kampff @ 2998 – Thanks for a reasoned discussion which has been lacking in this forum.

    Most rational people can agree that these vaccines save lives for certain people. Although there are still significant risks (e.g adverse events are way higher than typical ‘vaccine’ etc), data shows overall benefits outweigh risks. But my take is risk benefit is upside down for young and healthy people.

    Many countries are adopting vaccines for the above reason. I understand the pharma contracts to supply vaccines have a lot of restrictions and limitations. They have been leaked online. I don’t have time to follow them but I understand these countries hands are tied.

    Anyway, if people are really worried about Covid, they had 18 mos to get their body in shape. I’m not sure why this is not a priority for CDC/NIH. Obesity is #1 comorbidity. Healthy living is the best prophylaxis for many at-risk individuals. It could have reduced fatalities by hundreds of thousands in the U.S. alone.

  56. 3056
    Erik says:

    RE: don @ 2999
    Hey Don, I’m not that interested in Covid, that’s why I haven’t commented as much lately. Here is what interests me….

    How do I buy houses or 2br+ condos in Seattle proper with zero money out of pocket? I use to buy at auction, remodel, rent, and do a cash out refinance to get my money out of the deal. Auction deals seem to be over for now. There’s not enough meat on the bone to do that anymore. Do you have any other ways you know of to own a lot of real estate in Seattle?

  57. 3057
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    Nothing Erik, Eastsider or Ruspert just wrote is even worth responding to. None of them have an F’n clue. They can’t even point to a single fact to support their nonsense. They cannot refute a single point I made today. They’re just gullible ignorant people who have been brainwashed and make up conspiracy theories.

    Unfortunately the efforts of people like them is leading to sickness and death, both from Covid-19 and from other conditions. Hospitals are being overrun. Doctors and staff are being pushed to their limits. And all because a bunch of ignorant people have been pushing anti-vax and anti-mask nonsense. What’s ironic is they are mainly killing off their followers and/or causing their followers to have long-term Covid. What’s sad is the ignorance is also affecting other people.

    It reminds me of the old joke: When you’re dead you don’t know you’re dead. It’s only painful for those around you. It’s the same when you are stupid. Only we’re not just talking pain, we’re talking sickness and death.

    If you don’t want to get vaccinated, don’t. Quit spreading BS about the vaccine to others.

  58. 3058
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    This is a picture from a Reddit covid group, so presumably a Florida hospital. Pretty sad, but unless things change pretty soon it will likely get worse. You can thank Florida’s ignorant Governor for the scene.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/FloridaCoronavirus/comments/p6whor/everyone_please_be_careful_whether_you_are/

  59. 3059
    Voight-kampff says:

    RE: Eastsider @ 3004
    Being healthy obviously helps with most ailments, but there is a lot to unpack in that. Everything from lifestyles to the economics of American culture and unhealthy calories being the cheapest.
    But more importantly,
    The main concern is not eradication of the virus, the main concern is overwhelming a nation’s healthcare system. I have a front row seat to how this is being tested, and I am sincerely concerned. Healthcare shortages of staff and care are happening right now. Nurses and doctors and other staff are exiting the profession. How many people are eager to take their place? Even if the pandemic improves, this will be felt for years.

  60. 3060
    Erik says:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 3006
    You win again Kary! You use to be someone that had trouble seeing the big picture but now you have changed. You started being able to see the big picture since covid struck.

    How can I buy with zero money into the deal in Seattle?

  61. 3061
    Eastsider says:

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 2983:

    By Eastsider @ 2981:

    2. Fauci mentioned minimum of 50% efficacy for human use last year. So now 3rd shot for a “vaccine” with 39% efficacy?

    2. What, you’re admitting that 50% has been the threshold? Something I mentioned yesterday in response to complaints about 64%.

    Dr Malone just tweeted the following :)
    Now CDC is recommending 3rd booster shot against FDA guidance. Think about it.

    https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1428515444105826308

    @RWMaloneMD
    See section 3a of the EUA guidance for COVID vaccines. Must be at or above 50% efficacy.
    https://www.fda.gov/media/142749/download

  62. 3062
    Eastsider says:

    By Voight-kampff @ 3008:

    Healthcare shortages of staff and care are happening right now. Nurses and doctors and other staff are exiting the profession. How many people are eager to take their place? Even if the pandemic improves, this will be felt for years.

    A lot of this is self-inflicted. (Just like Biden’s Afghanistan blunder.)

    For starter, don’t mandate experimental vaccines. I understand about 1/4 of healthcare professionals are refusing the vaccines nationwide. Many who needed to keep their jobs have already grudgingly taken the jabs. I suspect many of these 1/4 healthcare workers would rather retire early or quit their jobs. Only stupid will force mandate and aggravate the already bad situation. When healthcare collapses, the party in power can go bye-bye. But the current party, including its leader, is full of not too bright people.

  63. 3063
    Eastsider says:

    For some reason, my comment did not make it (probably too many links). So here it is again –

    My comment@2981 –
    2. Fauci mentioned minimum of 50% efficacy for human use last year. So now 3rd shot for a “vaccine” with 39% efficacy?

    Dr Malone just answer it in his tweet below. Now CDC is recommending a 3rd booster shot against FDA guidance. Thank about it!

    https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1428515444105826308

    See section 3a of the EUA guidance for COVID vaccines. Must be at or above 50% efficacy.

  64. 3064
    Eastsider says:

    RE: Eastsider @ 3011 – Now under what authority do they have the power to mandate a vaccine that clearly does not meet the FDA guidance.

    What did they say about the house of cards? They knew the virus is going to mutate. The vaccines are not going to work against all variants…

    Btw, stop labeling me as an anti-vaxxer. I probably have taken more vaccines than most of you.

  65. 3065
    Voight-kampff says:

    RE: Eastsider @ 3010
    You’re thinking too politically about how a hospital is navigating this. They treat patients the same as they have for decades, regardless of party or who the president is. That’s the beauty of science, it doesn’t care about such things. The reason people are leaving is because of burnout. I can only speak about the conversations I’ve had with doctors and nurses (of which I know many, and none who are quitting). None have spoke about staff leaving because of mandates. If anything they feel let down about the unvaccinated. They are all 100 percent in favor of vaccines.

  66. 3066
    Eastsider says:

    People are starting to revolt against the mandates… watch out mini tyrants…

    Well over 1m+ views…
    https://twitter.com/BrittRooted/status/1427849481551106056

  67. 3067
    don says:

    RE: Erik @ 3005
    I did my few sf the hard way, built them myself with old school construction loans .
    You are miles ahead of my conventional thinking about finance , but you know how to remodel and detail houses.
    Maybe find some junkers and persuade the owner to sell on a dot, ride with the payments until ready to rent, then cash seller out. Do your HELOC trick after .
    This investing has got to be hard with current inventory.

  68. 3068
    Eastsider says:

    RE: Voight-kampff @ 3013 – Seattle is in a bubble. Nobody in their right mind will be honest about their personal belief if such beliefs are unpopular here. My message was not political. All I am suggesting is there is no reason to mandate vaccines which will likely drive some people to retire or quit. My decades long PCP was taking wait and see on these vaccines before his retirement. These mRNA vaccines may not be as popular even if people have taken the first 2 doses (e.g. Erik, Dr Malone.)

    Here is an article from Germany. You can also find recent nurse protests using duckduckgo.

    COVID: Why some doctors and nurses hesitate to get vaccinated
    The coronavirus vaccine is seen as the only way to combat the pandemic. Medical and nursing staff are at high risk of contracting and spreading the disease. So why do many of them in Germany not want to get vaccinated?
    https://www.dw.com/en/covid-why-some-doctors-and-nurses-hesitate-to-get-vaccinated/a-56162735

  69. 3069
    David says:

    Fauci has already admitted to funding the Wuhan Lab. When confronted by Rand Paul he proceeded to get mad and attack as opposed to just explaining it didn’t happen. He couldn’t explain it didn’t happen. Then he admits it happened and the lab was conducting the gain of function research but denies it was gain of function. All of this after apparently being warned by the French several years ago that the Wuhan Lab was conducting bio-warfare research for the Chinese military.

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 2978:

    By David @ 2977:

    If the vaccines have long-term health consequences, then the Government will just say you shouldn’t have gotten it before FDA approval.

    Not sure what the motivation would be for that, or how well that would go over. Rather an absurd prediction.

    Once this is over, foreign countries are going to sue the USA for having funded gain-of-function viruses.

    More nonsense. If the US were to do such research, they certainly wouldn’t farm it out to China to perform. What’s sad is that in this case at least one Senator was spewing that nonsense. But we’ve seen bad behavior from politicians before, so it’s not unexpected.

  70. 3070
    David says:

    COVID is no big deal. Biden would not freely fly Mexicans and others currently infected with the disease into the US if it was truly dangerous. Desantis is nothing compared to Biden distributing COVID into the US every day by the millions.

    The virus will never, ever, ever go away.

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 3007:

    This is a picture from a Reddit covid group, so presumably a Florida hospital. Pretty sad, but unless things change pretty soon it will likely get worse. You can thank Florida’s ignorant Governor for the scene.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/FloridaCoronavirus/comments/p6whor/everyone_please_be_careful_whether_you_are/

  71. 3071
    Eastsider says:

    Washington Post just published this article 3 hrs ago. They need to stop vaccinating young people until Phase 3/4 trials are completed in 2023. It’s not like vaccination is reversible.

    U.S. officials reviewing possibility Moderna vaccine is linked to higher risk of uncommon side effect than previously though
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-officials-reviewing-possibility-moderna-vaccine-is-linked-to-higher-risk-of-uncommon-side-effect-than-previously-thought/ar-AANw8u5

    Federal health officials are investigating emerging reports that the Moderna coronavirus vaccine may be associated with a higher risk of a heart condition called myocarditis in younger adults than previously believed, according to two people familiar with the review who emphasized the side effect still probably remains uncommon.

    The investigation, which involves the Food and Drug Administration and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, is focusing on Canadian data that suggests the Moderna vaccine may carry a higher risk for young people than the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, especially for males below the age of 30 or so. The authorities also are scrutinizing data from the United States to try to determine whether there is evidence of an increased risk from Moderna in the U.S. population.

  72. 3072
    ruxpert says:

    The scamdemic is a pack of lies.
    Only 4-minutes:
    Dr. Roger Hodkinson: “It’s all been a pack of lies”
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/JwhAiexP0cI9/
    https://www.brighteon.com/2cb95f1a-0e44-41ce-9cc6-d59e5d5c8fbd

  73. 3073
    ruxpert says:

    RE: ruxpert @ 2819

    Larry & Carstens’ Excellent Pandemic
    https://youtu.be/VYOEvurCVuk
    The pandemic presented forensically for what it is, namely, a massive theatrical edifice intended to distract popular attention away from the fact that criminal bankers running the monetary system are making a concerted push toward full-on totalitarianism through monetary and financial control.

  74. 3074
    ruxpert says:

    Best video yet of the Australian Covid scam ?
    https://rumble.com/vlc10u-australia-itstime.html

    For the vAxe-fiends:
    Trump, ‘Father of The Vaccine’s ‘Warp-Speed’:
    FEMA SURGE TEAMS? Biden Announces New FEMA & CDC Surge Teams For Unvaccinated
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/qVDhAdHk0FLY/

    ;-)

  75. 3075
    ruxpert says:

    The CDC Will Decide who Lives on Your Property and for how Long ?
    https://needtoknow.news/2021/08/the-cdc-will-decide-who-lives-on-your-property-and-for-how-long

  76. 3076
    ruxpert says:

    RE: ruxpert @ 3022

    The Cancer of the Covid Cult:
    Australian economist on the disaster that is lockdowns
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/RR8CgZDvDSUz/

    MASS PSYCHOSIS – How an Entire Population Becomes MENTALLY ILL
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/q78suYzWMbJB/

  77. 3077
    Eastsider says:

    Here is a good account of the many missteps in the pandemic.

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1428482314418360325.html

  78. 3078
    Eastsider says:

    MSM is finally taking the Red Pill. Many similar critical articles will be written in future.

    The Noble Lies of COVID-19
    Do we want public health officials to report facts and uncertainties transparently? Or do we want them to shape information to influence the public to take specific actions?
    https://slate.com/technology/2021/07/noble-lies-covid-fauci-cdc-masks.html

  79. 3079
    David says:

    RESIST. The China/Fauci virus was designed to not go away.

    Florida is OPEN. If you start to get sick or are in a vulnerable category, you can go down the street from me and get a Monoclonal Antibody Treatment for FREE.

    No one is dying in Florida. No one even died from the Flu last year in FL.

    Even woke Disney is open and mostly unmasked. I will not do business with Disney anymore after my pass expires. but even woke Diney knows that this virus is just a background infection that is here to stay.

    Life goes on. Buy a house.

  80. 3080
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    By Eastsider @ 3010:

    By Voight-kampff @ 3008:

    Healthcare shortages of staff and care are happening right now. Nurses and doctors and other staff are exiting the profession. How many people are eager to take their place? Even if the pandemic improves, this will be felt for years.

    A lot of this is self-inflicted. (Just like Biden’s Afghanistan blunder.)

    For starter, don’t mandate experimental vaccines. .

    For starters, don’t claim the vaccines are experimental. That is vaccine misinformation designed to deceive and manipulate the ignorant and gullible.

  81. 3081
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    By Eastsider @ 3011:

    Dr Malone just answer it in his tweet below. Now CDC is recommending a 3rd booster shot against FDA guidance. Thank about it!

    I’ll think about it. It’s more misinformation from Eastsider. It is not against FDA guidance, it’s just they have not yet approved the booster in that use.

  82. 3082
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    By Eastsider @ 3016:

    RE: Voight-kampff @ 3013 – Seattle is in a bubble. Nobody in their right mind will be honest about their personal belief if such beliefs are unpopular here. My message was not political. All I am suggesting is there is no reason to mandate vaccines which will likely drive some people to retire or quit.

    I wouldn’t say no reason, but staffing after mandates is a huge concern. Particularly in nursing homes and assisted living facilities. And as noted, hospitals are already having issues.

  83. 3083
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    By David @ 3017:

    Fauci has already admitted to funding the Wuhan Lab. When confronted by Rand Paul he proceeded to get mad and attack as opposed to just explaining it didn’t happen.

    That is outright false. The issue was gain of function research. There was funding, but not for gain of function. And as I mentioned, if the US were to do such research they sure as ____ wouldn’t do in in China!

    Rand Paul, who although like myself is a libertarian, has become a complete nutcase on the Covid issue. He’s yet another doctor whose opinion should be ignored.

  84. 3084
    Erik says:

    RE: don @ 3015
    It’s difficult right now. There generally isn’t enough meat on the bone to pull the money out.

    HELOCs scare me because they don’t go away when you give the house back. I have some, but I’m too scared to use them.

  85. 3085
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    It’s been amazing to me how for years politics has driven peoples’ understanding of science. Global warming is perhaps the best example. Rather than do any analysis of their own, people just decide what they think about global warming based on whether they are a D or an R. That has only gotten worse as social media spread and both the companies and users tuned their methods.

    We now have a culture war over Covid-19 responses, but what is really odd is that one side seems to be lead by Jim Jones. They are actively trying to get their followers to get sick and even die. In the past Democrats have had a history of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, but now I think the Republicans are risking that. I read somewhere that more people have died in Florida than DeSantis’ margin of victory, and even assuming not all of them voted for him, family members of people who died are going to be very unlikely to vote for him if the situation in Florida gets much worse. My concern is that if things do get much worse–that this wave doesn’t soon level off–our hospitals will soon look like India’s a few months ago. And if that happens, the voter backlash may result in state and local governments in 2023 resembling the current House of Representatives.

  86. 3086

    By Erik @ 3032:

    HELOCs scare me because they don’t go away when you give the house back. I have some, but I’m too scared to use them.

    You’re referring to second mortgages, and yes you still owe the debt if the first mortgage forecloses and the sale price doesn’t cover both debts.

    HELOCs IMHO should not be for long-term use. No more than 2-3 years or even less assuming you’re not using one to preserve other liquid funds. We’ve used ours twice, but both times we could have used savings if we’d wanted to.

  87. 3087
  88. 3088
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    Here’s a good piece on gain of function. The NIH granted some $3.7M to an entity which then sent $600,000 of that amount to the lab in China for certain research. Consensus is that it was not “gain of function” research, but that term is not well defined, so like other things there is some disagreement. There seems to be little disagreement that the viruses studied were not sufficiently similar.

    https://www.factcheck.org/2021/05/the-wuhan-lab-and-the-gain-of-function-disagreement/

    In any case to blame Fauci for that $600,000 is like blaming the head of BP for the Gulf of Mexico oil well blowout. Both were items of detail hardly visible from their level of management. The other difference being we know the oil came from BP’s well, but we don’t know the source of the virus (although the location of the lab relative to the outbreak is suspicious).

  89. 3089
    David says:

    mRNA vaccines are novel and experimental. First time ever used. The inventor has warned about using them.

    I’ve gotten the Pfizer shot , but not without weird complications. Plus I am in my 50s and I don’t have the concerns of younger person having to live with complications for an experiment.

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 3029:

    By Eastsider @ 3011:

    Dr Malone just answer it in his tweet below. Now CDC is recommending a 3rd booster shot against FDA guidance. Thank about it!

    I’ll think about it. It’s more misinformation from Eastsider. It is not against FDA guidance, it’s just they have not yet approved the booster in that use.

  90. 3090
    David says:

    Headline: T-Rex eats man in Texas. Jurassic Park denies responsibility, no idea where it came from.

    Fauci funded Dr. Zhengli-Li Shi ‘s bat-based Corona Virus efforts. Specifically thanking her for her work on the bat virus. Fauci was not candid – he lied.

    Liars lie for a reason. He went berserk on Rand Paul instead of just explaining how it wasn’t true.

    THE US GOVERNMENT FUNDED BAT VIRUS WORK – WTH does it take to see a connection.

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 3036:

    Here’s a good piece on gain of function. The NIH granted some $3.7M to an entity which then sent $600,000 of that amount to the lab in China for certain research. Consensus is that it was not “gain of function” research, but that term is not well defined, so like other things there is some disagreement. There seems to be little disagreement that the viruses studied were not sufficiently similar.

    https://www.factcheck.org/2021/05/the-wuhan-lab-and-the-gain-of-function-disagreement/

    In any case to blame Fauci for that $600,000 is like blaming the head of BP for the Gulf of Mexico oil well blowout. Both were items of detail hardly visible from their level of management. The other difference being we know the oil came from BP’s well, but we don’t know the source of the virus (although the location of the lab relative to the outbreak is suspicious).

  91. 3091
    David says:

    The only one flying infected people to and from Latin countries is Biden. Also Jim Jones was a homosexual. He had sex with male members in front of the gathered congregants at the People’s Temple to demonstrate “Love is Love”.

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 3035:

    OMG, I just noticed that DeSantis looks somewhat like Jim Jones!

    https://www.biography.com/.image/ar_1:1%2Cc_fill%2Ccs_srgb%2Cg_face%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_300/MTIwNjA4NjM0MDc0MjY5MTk2/jim-jones-10367607-1-402.jpg

  92. 3092

    Does anyone think this COVID crap talking is about real estate? What the heck is there to talk about?

    1) There a vaccine…you get it or you don’t. Done.
    2) Store says you have to wear a mask to go in it…you go in it with a mask or you don’t go in. Done.
    3) Your work requires you to be both vaccinated and masked. You do it and go to work or you quit. Done.

    Why all this talk about it? Make your choice…don’t expect everyone else to make the same choices you do…move on with your life.

    It’s August when Real Estate Talk is always a bit moot…but get it out of your system before September 15.

  93. 3093
    ruxpert says:

    Inventor of the PCR Test Kary Mullis Exposes Dr. Anthony Fauci For Who He Really Is!
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/85S0gK8je3vj/

    Senator Rand Paul Accuses Dr. Fauci of Lying About Gain-of-Function Research at Wuhan Lab
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4970412/senator-rand-paul-accuses-dr-fauci-lying-gain-function-research-wuhan-lab

  94. 3094
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    By David @ 3037:

    mRNA vaccines are novel and experimental.

    Nope. Once approved vaccines are no longer experimental in the medical use of the term. Experimental mRNA vaccines promise some amazing things.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-vaccines/corrected-fact-check-covid-19-vaccines-are-not-experimental-and-they-have-not-skipped-trial-stages-idUSL1N2M70MW

    Calling the two vaccines experimental is being intentionally misleading in an attempt to convince others to make bad healthcare decisions.

  95. 3095
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    By ARDELL DellaLoggia @ 3040:

    Does anyone think this COVID crap talking is about real estate? What the heck is there to talk about?
    3) Your work requires you to be both vaccinated and masked. You do it and go to work or you quit. Done.

    Why all this talk about it? Make your choice…don’t expect everyone else to make the same choices you do…move on with your life.

    I’ve tried to raise several real estate topics. They tend to go nowhere.

    The reason people here are raising the issue is they want to mislead people into making bad healthcare decisions by posting vaccine misinformation. I have no idea their motivation. Maybe they are Democrats hoping to destroy the Republican party by killing off its voters.

    As to the issues you posted, I find mandatory employee vaccines the most disturbing. First, there’s the staffing level problems I mentioned. Second, it’s just a tough issue. Before I had jobs as a professional I only had union jobs. My unions never struck my employer when I was employed. If they had then for me the decision not to go to work would have been easy, but I can see it would be a tough decision for some. Mandatory vaccines probably more so. I’m not saying I’m against mandatory vaccinations, but just that I find it a very tough issue.

  96. 3096
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    RE: ruxpert @ 3041 – You can post nutcase websites, or people can read the legitimate link I posted on the subject above.

    What’s your motivation?

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  98. 3098
    ruxpert says:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 3044

    Please stop lying, hypocrite!

    Go play with your ‘resource’ you use to demonize others regarding being a good resource.
    My gawd, is it true what some are saying: The vAxe is effecting mental processes?
    —-
    Should you use Wikipedia as a credible resource?
    No,
    https://connorsstate.edu/disted/wikipedia/


    The Top 10 Reasons Students Cannot Cite or Rely On Wikipedia

    1. It says so on Wikipedia.
    Wikipedia says, “We do not expect you to trust us.” It adds that it is “not a primary source” and that “because some articles may contain errors,” you should “not use Wikipedia to make critical decisions.”

    see the other reasons:
    http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/education/2010/march/The-Top-10-Reasons-Students-Cannot-Cite-or-Rely-on-Wikipedia.html

    Killer Koolaid Kary, you are disgustingly stupid … largely because you are a liar that cares not about honest accountable info-processing. Hence your blatant self-exposure of your flagrant hypocrisy/nonsense!

    Please stop lying, hypocrite!

  99. 3099
    ARDELL DellaLoggia says:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 3043

    That’s the only reason I pay any attention. The one daughter who is Union but also being faced with a mandate to be vaccinated. She’s thinking the Union will fight for her right to choose. She’s pretty new to Union life. :)

    Other than her I have no reason to even think about COVID until the next time they want to poke me in the arm. I have had NO needles since I was young. I don’t take pills and I don’t get shots. I did get the vaccine because it makes other people feel better and less afraid. But I’m not sure I’d be getting them all the time just to make people feel safer. I haven’t for the flu shot.

    I don’t ponder the dangers and benefits because I’m not afraid of dying and I virtually never get sick. Dentists and eye doctors aside…I haven’t had anything since I had my last child in the late 80s. :)

    Why all the talking about it? Ruxpert the obvious exception as he’s a rabble-rouser. But everyone else? It’s madness to spend this much time, on a real estate site no less, talking about COVID. What’s the point?

  100. 3100
    Justsomedude12 says:

    By ARDELL DellaLoggia @ 3047:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 3043

    Why all the talking about it? Ruxpert the obvious exception as he’s a rabble-rouser. But everyone else? It’s madness to spend this much time, on a real estate site no less, talking about COVID. What’s the point?

    Because the people on here are addicted to arguing. The topic doesn’t matter. It could be politics, disease/vaccinations, or even real estate.

    They just need a forum to indulge in their addiction.

  101. 3101
    Erik says:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 3034
    I only use my HELOC money short term. I have only used HELOC money once when I was selling that Alki condo and needed cash to pay the special assessment and fix it up a little more before the sale. Then after the sale, I paid it back.

    If the housing market collapses, I will pull some HELOC money out to buy more houses. The housings market seems too high to be gambling with HELOC money right now. I’d gamble with a federally backed loan because I know the fed will bail me out, but not with a HELOC.

  102. 3102
    ruxpert says:

    People continue to try to bury head in sand regarding the level of lying / hypocrisy going around.
    Especially considering financial / economic matters. Which includes RE.
    These people that want to hide head in sand like to call defenders instigators, to demonize them, ignoring the actual instigators / hypocrisy; distraction, appease the corruption entropy another year.
    They don’t want any ‘trouble’, they don’t want to wake-up, honesty is not the money they trade their life for, they just want to keep head in sand, don’t rock the boat, do like we always do, that got us into current situation, acquiesce surrender to the status-quo, until the denying, doesn’t work anymore, and then they wish they wouldn’t have denied so much, lied so much.
    Better stop denying & lying if you care about your investments, and accessing them ;-)

  103. 3103
    don says:

    Unmoderated forums:

    The land of the feeb, and the home of the knave.

    Throw away prediction: 2022 sees sf home prices up 7% and inventory + 3% in the Puget sound Basin.

  104. 3104
    ruxpert says:

    Get vaxed AND wear a mask
    https://tinyurl.com/49xy3npe

  105. 3105
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    By ARDELL DellaLoggia @ 3047:

    Other than her I have no reason to even think about COVID until the next time they want to poke me in the arm. I have had NO needles since I was young. I don’t take pills and I don’t get shots. I did get the vaccine because it makes other people feel better and less afraid. But I’m not sure I’d be getting them all the time just to make people feel safer. I haven’t for the flu shot.

    I don’t ponder the dangers and benefits because I’m not afraid of dying and I virtually never get sick.

    Similar, although maybe not so much on pills. I’m not sure I’ve ever had a flu shot and don’t remember the last time I even had the flu. I do keep tetanus up to date because there are a lot of ways to be exposed to that, but I don’t get the vaccine that has two other things included with it.

    And also not that afraid of dying–more afraid of long Covid. After Trump/Clinton and Trump/Biden, including the primaries that lead up to such horrible choices, I’m really not looking forward to 2024.

  106. 3106
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    RE: ruxpert @ 3046 – Why are you going off on Wikipedia? Do you think I somehow don’t know what it is. I think the only time I referenced it here was when I was trying to give some background on that crackpot doctor, and that was only necessary because he seems to have effectively loaded up Google with his own nonsense.

    And speaking of Google, you really need to Google the definition of the word hypocrite, because it’s painfully obvious you don’t have an F’n clue what the word means!

    Ditto the word lie, but that’s understandable because it is a big word. /sarc

    But yeah, people should listen to you, because you’re obviously intelligent and well educated. /sarc

  107. 3107
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    By ARDELL DellaLoggia @ 3047:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 3043

    That’s the only reason I pay any attention. The one daughter who is Union but also being faced with a mandate to be vaccinated. She’s thinking the Union will fight for her right to choose. She’s pretty new to Union life. :) ?

    This is going to vary by union. Some will want to protect their members lives. Some will want to make it a bargaining issue. And some will fight it.

    https://komonews.com/news/local/major-state-employees-union-criticizes-gov-inslee-over-vaccine-mandate

    It’s clearly though something employers can do, if not a topic of a collective bargaining agreement. The question is should they and what will be the effect on their staffing.

  108. 3108
    Brianna says:

    RE: ARDELL DellaLoggia @ 3040

    I agree! You can argue all you want, but you probably won’t change anyone’s mind on the issue. The thing that I find disgusting, is that now medical issues are politicized and that makes navigating all of this a big mess.

    Anyhoo – I’m curious what your take is on the market. Do you think this years’ frenzy will carry into next year?

  109. 3109
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    I went to Costco today and 90%+ (approx.) seemed to be wearing masks even though not required. Oddly I saw two couples where the male was not wearing a mask and the female was.

  110. 3110
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    By Brianna @ 3056:

    I agree! You can argue all you want, but you probably won’t change anyone’s mind on the issue.

    The point is to keep misinformation from affecting other people. The nonsense spreads over the Internet, like a virus.

  111. 3111
    chip&dip says:

    RE: Eastsider @ 3010 – Swedish young female nurse just quit. Went into construction! Said she was a hero last year, now is scum because she is not agreeing to the experimental therapy. She wants to have a baby and refuses the gene therapy after careful review. She said she could always start again when this blow over. She will keep her license updated.

  112. 3112
    chip&dip says:

    RE: Voight-kampff @ 3008 – This shortage IS self inflicted. Closing non-profitable rural/inner city hospitals, running without enough staff, using the “Just in Time” theory of inventory from Toyota. But, as we all see, this theory does NOT work when you are caring for humans, and surges happen. This is not a factory that builds. It’s sick humans that each need handling differently. With no planning and stock piles of masks, vents, gowns, extra beds, we see what a disaster this has been. Need to take them to task for their greed.

    This is the for-profit, health care’s problem, and we are all being jabbed with gene therapy in order to fix the problem they created.

  113. 3113
    chip&dip says:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 3028 – More constant blather from
    “Careless”. You must contact the NIH to wag your finger at them for stated they are EXPERIMENTAL.

    https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/measles-vaccine-used-base-experimental-covid-vaccine

    Now, your lawyer speak will sputter/lather as you come up with a rebuttal.

  114. 3114
    ruxpert says:

    RE: ruxpert @ 3020

    Family Guy – Its All Been a Pack of Lies!
    https://youtu.be/wx49SwAUEA0

  115. 3115
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    By chip&dip @ 3061:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 3028 – More constant blather from
    “Careless”. You must contact the NIH to wag your finger at them for stated they are EXPERIMENTAL.

    https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/measles-vaccine-used-base-experimental-covid-vaccine

    Now, your lawyer speak will sputter/lather as you come up with a rebuttal.

    Using the measles vaccine to treat covid would be experimental. /rolleyes Anyone with a high school education could have rebutted that.

    But clearly that has nothing at all to do with the two mRNA vaccines approved on an emergency basis to treat covid. BTW, one could be formally approved next week.

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  117. 3117
    Whatsmyname says:

    RE: nutspert @ 3064
    Don’t like Wikipedia’s take? Have a look at the referenced organization’s own webpage. Led by revered child health champion RFK Jr, they have lots of research topics. The broad array of subjects to choose is less impressive when almost each subject is really a report tying it to some vaccine or other. Infertility, inflammation, even seizures. I will give them credit for not blaming lead and mercury poisoning on vaccines. Wikipedia got this one right.

    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/research-database/

  118. 3118
    David says:

    Here is Jay Inslee’s Monoclonal Antibody distribution facility ? Desantis follows the science.

  119. 3119
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    RE: ruxpert @ 3064 – I don’t think you’re proving you know what hypocritical means, of that was the point you were trying to make.

    If you were trying to make some other point you’ll have to state what is was.

  120. 3120
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    RE: chip&dip @ 3061 – BTW, if you’d come up with this link I would have excused your not understanding that this is a third vaccine for Covid-19, one not yet given emergency approval. It’s a someone complex document so it would have been easy to not understand. But it does show what some of these new vaccines being developed might do.

    https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/experimental-vaccine-protects-against-multiple-coronaviruses

  121. 3121
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    By David @ 3066:

    Desantis follows the science.

    Now that’s funny! Maybe not as funny as my underlying condition joke, but it made me laugh.

  122. 3122
    chip&dip says:

    As of Sunday, Israel had 525 patients in serious condition, 162 more than a week earlier.
    Of those, 404 are over 60, with 277 of them fully vaccinated. Considering the serious cases per 100,000 people over 60, there are 21 cases among the vaccinated – who are over 90% of the cohort – while among the unvaccinated it is 135.
    https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/covid-in-israel-over-500-patients-in-serious-condition-4145-new-cases-676745
    We are basically being told that vaccinated people, fully vaccinated cannot go out in public w/o masks until 100% of population have been vax’d. Further, that the rest of the population must be blamed, castigated, and even criminalized.
    This is a disturbing idea.
    That vax’d people, w/some antibodies, no matter how weak the antibodies may be, are impacted by unvax’d people w/o antibodies is just irrational rhetoric that only served the agenda of big pharma. It’s MORE irrational NOW as the vax’d and non-vax’d are shown to transmit the virus just the same, as we heard Fauci said.

  123. 3123
    Eastsider says:

    RE: chip&dip @ 3070 – Many people over the age of 80 are too frail to take these vaccines. To count them among the “unvaccinated” simply skews the data. Same for those with one jab who may not want to proceed with the 2nd dose for similar reason.

    I am curious what the numbers will be in 3 months when even the booster shot starts to “wane”. That also coincides with the fall/winter flu season.

  124. 3124
    Eastsider says:

    The unvaccinated also face other risks (aside from no protection from disease). Here is a well written article on Marek’s disease.

    Leaky Vaccines Enhance Spread of Deadlier Chicken Viruses
    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/leaky-vaccines-enhance-spread-of-deadlier-chicken-viruses

  125. 3125
    Mikal says:

    By David @ 3066:

    Here is Jay Inslee’s Monoclonal Antibody distribution facility ? Desantis follows the science.

    It’s mostly republicans that aren’t vaccinated. They are losing elections by 10,000 votes in some states. Now it will be more. It’s the dumb.

  126. 3126
    Eastsider says:

    Hawaii has more Covid patients in ICU than previous waves and the trend is worrying. The state has one of the highest vaccination rate in the country and only allow entry for vaccinated visitors.

    WA state will be there soon…

    https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/hospitalization-7-day-trend/hawaii

  127. 3127
    chip&dip says:

    RE: Eastsider @ 3072 – Great article. Discussed this article months ago with a friend that keeps chickens. One was infected with Marek’s and died. The vet explained that the vaccine for chicks does not prevent Marek’s. Then, WHY vaccine the chicks and ask if the chicks were vaccinated before bringing them into your flock? If it doesn’t work, what is the point?

    We were wonder if this is what is happen with this Covid shot. People can walk around sick, but not dying. The organism needs us to mingle to continue it mutation, not stay in bed, by ourselves until it dies.

  128. 3128
    chip&dip says:

    What is clear is that “breakthrough” cases are not the rare events the term implies.
    As of 15 August, 514 Israelis were hospitalized with severe or critical COVID-19, a 31% increase from just 4 days earlier.
    Of the 514, 59% were fully vaccinated. Of the vaccinated, 87% were 60 or older. “There are so many breakthrough infections that they dominate and most of the hospitalized patients are actually vaccinated,” says Uri Shalit, a bioinformatician at the Israel Institute of Technology (Technion) who has consulted on COVID-19 for the government.
    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/grim-warning-israel-vaccination-blunts-does-not-defeat-delta

  129. 3129
    David says:

    African Americans are the most unvaccinated group. They tend to vote Democrat. Over 70% of young blacks are unvaccinated.

    By Mikal @ 3073:

    By David @ 3066:

    Here is Jay Inslee’s Monoclonal Antibody distribution facility ? Desantis follows the science.

    It’s mostly republicans that aren’t vaccinated. They are losing elections by 10,000 votes in some states. Now it will be more. It’s the dumb.

  130. 3130
    Matt P says:

    Full approval for Pfizer coming Monday. Going to love the new positioning of the goal posts after that announcement.

    Also not sure why people keep bringing up Israel, They’re only 60% vaccinated and those without the vax are highly concentrated. When unvaxxed get together with delta, bad times ensue. See the picture of the monoclonal clinic in Florida with people splayed out on the floor.

    Surprised that Tim still advertises that he runs this website on his official Redfin profile.

  131. 3131
    Brianna says:

    RE: Matt P @ 3078

    Actually, according to the jpost article: “Israel has among the world’s highest levels of vaccination for COVID-19, with 78% of those 12 and older fully vaccinated.”

  132. 3132
    Matt P says:

    By Brianna @ 3079:

    RE: Matt P @ 3078

    Actually, according to the jpost article: “Israel has among the world’s highest levels of vaccination for COVID-19, with 78% of those 12 and older fully vaccinated.”

    Which is still only 60% of the population when you count children – nowhere near enough for herd immunity and since the populations without the vaccine are like minded individuals in concentrated areas, it’s not a wonder that cases are spiking.

  133. 3133
    Eastsider says:

    If you are worried about vaccine adverse effects and must take the vaccine due to job requirement or mandate, you may be interested in the following EU reported adverse event statistic (6/19/2021) similar to our VAERS –

    BioNTech/ Pfizer: 7,420 deaths and 560,256 injuries
    Moderna: 4,147 deaths and 122,643 injuries
    Oxford/ AstraZeneca: 3,364 deaths and 793,036 injuries
    Johnson & Johnson: 541 deaths and 33,331 injuries

    Based on the vaccine distribution chart I have seen, I estimate (eyeball) the following shares –

    BioNTech/ Pfizer: 60%
    Moderna: 10%
    Oxford/ AstraZeneca: 16%
    Johnson & Johnson: 14%

    My calculation from above data shows J&J has the least adverse events in both reported deaths (1x) and injuries (1X). Here are the estimates for the other vaccines relative to J&J –

    BioNTech/ Pfizer: 3.2x deaths 4X injuries
    Moderna: 10.2x deaths 4.9X injuries
    Oxford/ AstraZeneca: 5.5x deaths 21.1X injuries
    Johnson & Johnson: 1x deaths 1X injuries

    The above is my preliminary and unscientific estimate. They don’t include ‘efficacy’ and other considerations. You should research potential injuries for each vaccine. Also, J&J is single dose and my estimate does not adjust for people who skip the second dose.

    https://www.technocracy.news/shock-european-union-reports-1-5-million-vaccine-injuries-15472-deaths/
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1219343/covid19-vaccine-doses-distributed-in-europe-by-manufacturer/

  134. 3134
    Blurtman says:

    Game over when the MSM stops ignoring reality. Herd immunity from a non-sterilizing narrowly defined immunogen gene therapy – utter nonsense.
    ********
    Is catching Covid now better than more vaccine?

    There are marked differences in your immune system after a natural infection with coronavirus and after vaccination.
    Which is better?
    Even asking the question bordered on heresy a year ago, when catching Covid for the first time could be deadly, especially for the elderly or people already in poor health.
    Now, we’re no longer starting with zero immunity as the overwhelming majority of people have either been vaccinated or have already caught the virus.
    It is now a serious question that has implications for whether children should ever be vaccinated. And whether we use the virus or booster shots to top up immunity in adults. Both have become contentious issues.
    “We could be digging ourselves into a hole, for a very long time, where we think we can only keep Covid away by boosting every year,” Prof Eleanor Riley, an immunologist from the University of Edinburgh, told me.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58270098

  135. 3135
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    By Matt P @ 3080:

    Which is still only 60% of the population when you count children – nowhere near enough for herd immunity and since the populations without the vaccine are like minded individuals in concentrated areas, it’s not a wonder that cases are spiking.

    It’s somewhat similar to King County, although not religion based. In King County you have areas where vaccination is 80% or so and others that are 30% or so. Thus King County’s numbers are not that good overall.

  136. 3136
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    Florida cases are skyrocketing, but it turns out not only is it one of only three states in the country that only report once a week, they don’t report all the cases! Non-residents are not included. The question is, does that exclude only tourists or will it also exclude “snowbirds.” To date the snowbirds probably hasn’t been an issue since the policy started in June. But it’s disturbing that a state run by a governor with his head in the sand (or actually up his ass) is restricting data.

    https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2021/08/21/florida-adds-150118-coronavirus-cases-1486-deaths-in-past-week/

  137. 3137
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    Chart of Florida the day after they release restricted data.

    https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/new-cases-50-states/florida

    Their hospitalization chart on the same site doesn’t look much better, but it’s not as bad as Alabama which shows no capacity. Note though that even with statewide capacity there may be no capacity at in certain locations. Oregon recently had a person die from Covid waiting to get into the ICU because there were no beds available at that facility.

    Per the CDC Florida’s 7 day new cases per 100k is third worst in the country, behind only Louisiana and Mississippi.

    Oh, and I almost forgot to mention, two new variants are starting to show in that state, one so new it doesn’t even have a name. The other is the one that begins with an L. Both are from other countries with very low vaccination rates.

  138. 3138
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    Finally, a warning about a treatment touted by some in this site as an alternative to getting vaccinated. /rolleyes

    https://www.koamnewsnow.com/fda-dont-use-horse-de-wormer-to-treat-covid-19/

  139. 3139
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    By Eastsider @ 3081:

    If you are worried about vaccine adverse effects and must take the vaccine due to job requirement or mandate, you may be interested in the following EU reported adverse event statistic (6/19/2021) similar to our VAERS –

    Yes it is similar to VAERS, which as you know has unverified information and is often cited to by people trying to spread vaccine misinformation.

    https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/mar/31/blog-posting/european-database-does-not-prove-covid-19-vaccines/

  140. 3140
    Eastsider says:

    RE: Blurtman @ 3082 – Yes, natural immunity is far more superior and enduring. The fear porn against young and healthy people is just irrational.

    Before the chickenpox vaccine was available, the fatality rate for varicella was approximately 1 per 100,000 cases among children age 1 through 14 years, 6 per 100,000 cases among persons age 15 through 19 years per CDC. Imagine we had chickenpox party then!

    Now compares to 0.007 per 100,000 population Covid mortality rate for a 20yr old healthy nonsmoker residing in Seattle (07/31/2021 – 08/20/2021, CDC data).

    Chickenpox is at least 2 orders of magnitude more fatal to young children!

  141. 3141
    Eastsider says:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 3087 – You sound like a nutcase. Sure people are out there reporting non existent events… /s

    I’m pretty sure the my risk estimate applies to VAERS and other similar national data. If fraudulent reporting is widespread, it is highly unlikely these risks will correlate.

  142. 3142
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    By Eastsider @ 3089:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 3087 – You sound like a nutcase. Sure people are out there reporting non existent events… /s

    I’m pretty sure the my risk estimate applies to VAERS and other similar national data. If fraudulent reporting is widespread, it is highly unlikely these risks will correlate.

    I didn’t even mention reporting non-existent events, but given how intent you are on posting vaccine misinformation that’s a real risk. “Unverified” is broader than fraudulent. It would be as simple as someone reporting a death after a vaccination where the death was totally unrelated to the vaccination. And given with both systems anyone can report, not just healthcare professionals, the concern is extreme.

    But LOL, someone recognized as sounding like a nutcase claiming I sound like a nutcase!

  143. 3143
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    RE: Eastsider @ 3088 – You really didn’t read that article, did you. It did mention a couple of ways a natural infection could be better, one of which was in response to a yet to exist variant, but it also mentioned several things going the other direction. The best it claimed was a natural infection followed by vaccination.

    And as to “enduring,” or duration, the article expressly made no such claim. Stop spreading misinformation.

    So that you can more easily give it a second go through.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58270098

    Duration
    How long does protection last?

    Antibody levels have been shown to decline over time, although this may not be important for preventing severe disease.

    The immune system remembers viruses and vaccines so it can respond rapidly when an infection is encountered.

    There are “memory T-cells” that linger in the body, and B-cells remain primed to produce a new flood of antibodies on demand. There is evidence of immune responses more than a year after infection and vaccine trials have also showed lasting benefit.

    “In terms of durability, we’re still waiting to see,” said Prof Peter Openshaw, from Imperial College London.

  144. 3144
    ruxpert says:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 3067RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 3067

    prolly just another one of those conspiracy-theories like the high-fiving 9/11 Israelis? ;-)

    https://www.corbettreport.com/911-suspects-dancing-israelis/

    The “High-Five” Dancing Israelis –
    https://www.heartcom.org/WarDance.htm

    ;-)

  145. 3145
    Eastsider says:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 3090 – Sorry, I am not responding to your endless troll. Get a life!

  146. 3146
  147. 3147
    Eastsider says:

    Another peer reviewed paper (August 05, 2021) on Ivermectin –

    Prophylactic Role of Ivermectin in Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 Infection Among Healthcare Workers
    https://www.cureus.com/articles/64807-prophylactic-role-of-ivermectin-in-severe-acute-respiratory-syndrome-coronavirus-2-infection-among-healthcare-workers

    Conclusion
    Two doses of oral ivermectin (300 μg/kg/dose given 72 hours apart) as chemoprophylaxis among HCWs reduced the risk of COVID-19 infection by 83% in the following month. Safe, effective, and low-cost chemoprophylaxis has relevance in the containment of pandemic alongside vaccine.

    Note HCW has far more Covid exposure risk than general population.

  148. 3148
    Matt P says:

    By Eastsider @ 3092:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 3090 – Sorry, I am not responding to your endless troll. Get a life!

    Hahaha, wow, a troll spouting an endless stream of flase info calling someone else a troll. Thanks for making me laugh.

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    Kary L. Krismer says:

    Look at the new deaths from yesterday, and then keep in mind that they lag hospitalizations and hospitalizations lag cases. This is going to get bad. Also, the positivity rate on tests has been over 11% for some time, which is not good.

    https://youtu.be/4GqbsWX0VXQ?t=29

  151. 3151
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    By Eastsider @ 3092:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 3090 – Sorry, I am not responding to your endless troll. Get a life!

    You never have responded to me–with anything of substance. You really need to face reality and realize you’ve been brainwashed. Go back and look at your posts from March 2020. You didn’t use to be brainwashed.

    And it’s not your fault. It’s human nature. Watch episodes 102 and 103 of this PBS show to see how humans get brainwashed by social media and how they can be more prone to deception than a dog!

    https://www.pbs.org/show/hacking-your-mind/

  152. 3152
    Eastsider says:

    The UK has published its latest bi-weekly SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern and variants under investigation in England Technical briefing 21, 20 August 2021.

    Table 5 has Delta hospitalization and death statistic. Delta is the most common variant in the UK and it is showing up in the US as well.

    For the unvaccinated, comparing last 2 week period to prior 2 week period –
    Hospitalization share of total drops from 57.39% to 55.36%
    Death share of total drops from 34.14% to 32.80%.

    It does not mean that vaccine is not working. But it shows a worsening trend – declining efficacy and protection from severe illness and death.

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1012644/Technical_Briefing_21.pdf

  153. 3153
    Eastsider says:

    RE: Matt P @ 3095 – Troll helping troll… enough said.

  154. 3154
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    With the exception of Oregon, Louisiana and Kentucky, all of the states currently with 7 day new infections over 335 per 100k have Republican governors. Not surprising when you consider the nonsense that comes out of Abbot and DeStantis’ mouths. Not that familiar with the others. Louisiana at least has the excuse of being surrounded by other states in bad shape. Not sure what’s going on down in Oregon.

    https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_casesper100klast7days

  155. 3155
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    By Eastsider @ 3099:

    The UK has published its latest bi-weekly SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern and variants under investigation in England Technical briefing 21, 20 August 2021.

    Table 5 has Delta hospitalization and death statistic. Delta is the most common variant in the UK and it is showing up in the US as well.

    That’s true, if by showing up you mean being the predominant strain. This link is from two days ago, but I think the same thing was true at least three weeks ago. WTF do you think has been causing the current surge, or are you unaware of the current surge?

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-variant.html

    But yeah, we should get medical advice from someone on the Internet who doesn’t even know what’s going on. That sounds like a great idea. More horse medicine! /sarc (Which BTW would be “experimental.”)

  156. 3156
    David says:

    The inventor of the mRNA vaccines says it doesn’t work, but is instead training the virus to evade immunity. He also says the virus will never go away.

    Natural immunity is the only way.

    Masks >= Pointless

  157. 3157
    David says:

    Florida has free treatment locally for anyone walking up in the form of Monoclonal Anitbody Treatment locations. Thanks to Ron Desantis !!!

    https://spacecoastdaily.com/2021/08/clinic-for-free-monoclonal-antibody-therapy-treatment-now-open-7-days-a-week-at-kiwanis-island-park/

  158. 3158
    David says:

    Only way for a mask to stop the virus is for it to prevent you from breathing.

  159. 3159
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    By David @ 3103:

    The inventor of the mRNA vaccines says it doesn’t work, s

    Alleged inventor. Drop out, sure. The rest is questionable. To call it subject to dispute would be an overstatement. He was “involved.” Lots of people were. But now he’s a superstar for those posting vaccine misinformation.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/

    And your mask comment is absurd. Covid is a respiratory disease and masks help with respiratory diseases.

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    David says:

    Masks maybe stop 10% of droplets. 90% exposure even masked. Masks = Fail

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 3106:

    By David @ 3103:

    The inventor of the mRNA vaccines says it doesn’t work, s

    Alleged inventor. Drop out, sure. The rest is questionable. To call it subject to dispute would be an overstatement. He was “involved.” Lots of people were. But now he’s a superstar for those posting vaccine misinformation.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/

    And your mask comment is absurd. Covid is a respiratory disease and masks help with respiratory diseases.

  162. 3162
    Eastsider says:

    Kary is a bot.

    Landmark Danish study finds no significant effect for facemask wearers
    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/do-masks-stop-the-spread-of-covid-19-

  163. 3163
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    RE: David @ 3108 – We’ve already covered this since I’ve been here. I don’t care to do it again, but it’s not only the number it’s the distance. Again, it both protects the person wearing the mask from others and others from the person wearing the mask.

    But yeah I get it, people don’t want to vaccinate, don’t want to wear masks, don’t want to social distance. They just want to do nothing in the face of a pandemic relying on BS they’ve read on the Internet, and that leads to conditions like those in the SE United States and even to a lesser extent here in the PNW.

  164. 3164
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    By Eastsider @ 3109:

    Kary is a bot.

    Landmark Danish study finds no significant effect for facemask wearers
    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/do-masks-stop-the-spread-of-covid-19-

    Nope, false. In part because the study didn’t address the protection of others from a person wearing a mask, but there are also other issues.

    https://www.factcheck.org/2020/11/danish-study-doesnt-prove-masks-dont-work-against-the-coronavirus/

    Also from the study itself:

    The findings, however, should not be used to conclude that a recommendation for everyone to wear masks in the community would not be effective in reducing SARS-CoV-2 infections, because the trial did not test the role of masks in source control of SARS-CoV-2 infection. During the study period, authorities did not recommend face mask use outside hospital settings and mask use was rare in community settings (22). This means that study participants’ exposure was overwhelmingly to persons not wearing masks.

    So basically they only tested protection of the mask for the wearer at a time when masks weren’t recommended. You might also want to search their own report for the word “inconclusive.”

    https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817

  165. 3165
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    RE: Eastsider @ 3109 – From the study itself:

    The findings, however, should not be used to conclude that a recommendation for everyone to wear masks in the community would not be effective in reducing SARS-CoV-2 infections, because the trial did not test the role of masks in source control of SARS-CoV-2 infection. During the study period, authorities did not recommend face mask use outside hospital settings and mask use was rare in community settings (22). This means that study participants’ exposure was overwhelmingly to persons not wearing masks.

    So basically they only tested protection of the mask for the wearer at a time when masks weren’t recommended. You might also want to search their own report for the word “inconclusive.”

    https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817

  166. 3166
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    By Eastsider @ 3109:

    Kary is a bot.-

    LOL, I might be the only real person here. Everyone else is anonymous! (Except Erik, who those with enough information could figure out.)

    But more on your misinterpretation of the study, and continuing to spew misinformation.

    https://www.factcheck.org/2020/11/danish-study-doesnt-prove-masks-dont-work-against-the-coronavirus/

  167. 3167
    ruxpert says:

    RE: ruxpert @ 3096

    Dummy Hypnotizes Ventriloquist
    https://youtu.be/Vbd0FcnFfO0
    a metaphor modality of our times

    The Covid Virus Hysteria: What is IT good for?
    ( will be exploring that question going forward)
    until then here’s some chill ;-)
    https://somafm.com/

  168. 3168
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    Current news on the declining conditions in Lebanon. Economic collapse, little power, no fuel, the country is falling apart. Going from bad to worse. All during a pandemic.

    https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210820-hell-on-earth-lebanon-unlivable-as-crisis-deepens

  169. 3169
    Kary L. Krismer says:

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 3112:

    LOL, I might be the only real person here. Everyone else is anonymous! (Except Erik, who those with enough information could figure out.)

    OMG, I had a Biden moment–I forgot Ardell.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBpBHGXqepY&ab_channel=BloombergQuicktake%3ANow

  170. 3170
    David says:

    Lebanon fails constantly with brief periods of peace. Like Afghanistan – which was mentioned as violent and warlike in Moby Dick, 1851.

    I actually did a research paper on Lebanon as a freshman at the University of Texas.

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 3114:

    Current news on the declining conditions in Lebanon. Economic collapse, little power, no fuel, the country is falling apart. Going from bad to worse. All during a pandemic.

    https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210820-hell-on-earth-lebanon-unlivable-as-crisis-deepens

  171. 3171
    David says:

    Also, why worry about Lebanon when the white population decreased for the first time in history because of illegal drugs and the inability to form familes?

    By Kary L. Krismer @ 3114:

    Current news on the declining conditions in Lebanon. Economic collapse, little power, no fuel, the country is falling apart. Going from bad to worse. All during a pandemic.

    https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210820-hell-on-earth-lebanon-unlivable-as-crisis-deepens

  172. 3172
    Eastsider says:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 3106 – Of all people, you need to stop smearing Dr Malone.

    https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1429201112452800512

    Robert W Malone, MD
    I have written to “The Atlantic” requesting that they cease and decist publication of this false, defamatory, poorly written and researched disinformation regarding COVID-19 funded by Chan-Zuckerbert and The Robert Wook Johnson Found.

    *Robert Wood Johnson and his brothers founded Johnson & Johnson in 1886.

  173. 3173
    chip&dip says:

    A clip from the 4 hr. meeting re: vaccine mandates in San Diego.
    “America is not a hospital. California is not a hospital. San Diego is not a hospital” Brittany Mayer addresses the San Diego County Board of Supervisors 08/17/2021
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=amIXwgY78ZE

  174. 3174
    Eastsider says:

    RE: Kary L. Krismer @ 3112 – There is no scientific proof that shows masks prevent Covid. Sure, go ahead and ‘fact-check’ those studies that reach the opposite conclusion and label everyone as ‘anti-mask’. 99% masks that people are wearing today carry manufacture warnings that the masks don’t prevent Covid transmission. When there is product liability involved, people are honest. I guess that’s a surprise to an attorney! /s

  175. 3175
    Eastsider says:

    RE: chip&dip @ 3119 – See comment 3014 lol :)

  176. 3176
    chip&dip says:

    RE: Eastsider @ 3121 – haha! Yes!

  177. 3177
    Eastsider says:

    RE: Eastsider @ 3094 – Another double-blind study on Ivermectin. This has been a top story on The Jerusalem Post in the past 3 weeks. Kary’s horse paste fear porn is next…

    Israeli scientist says COVID-19 could be treated for under $1/day
    Double-blind study shows ivermectin reduces disease’s duration and infectiousness • FDA and WHO caution against its use
    https://www.jpost.com/health-science/israeli-scientist-says-covid-19-could-be-treated-for-under-1day-675612

    These are MSM stories. Imagine that!

  178. 3178
    Eastsider says:

    Vaccines do not protect you from infection. If you are in the older age group, you are still at significant risk. The latest reported vaccine efficacy against Delta is 39%. Next, Kary is going to tout WA’s 97% effectiveness data to reassure you, not!

    CDC warns older adults, travelers in COVID high-risk groups not to take cruises, even if they’re vaccinated
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/cruises/2021/08/20/cruises-and-covid-19-cdc-updates-guidance-high-risk-travelers/8218346002/

    The new guidance applies to older adults, people with certain medical conditions and pregnant and recently pregnant people.

    The CDC’s website says the virus that causes COVID-19 can spread easily between people in close quarters on ships, and the chance of getting COVID-19 on cruise ships is “high.”

    In July, four vaccinated adults and two unvaccinated children tested positive for COVID-19 on a Royal Caribbean ship that had required passengers 16 and older to be fully vaccinated against COVID-19 and all passengers to receive a negative test before boarding. Last week, 27 people – 26 of whom were crew members – tested positive for COVID-19 on Carnival Cruise Line’s Carnival Vista ship. More than 99% of crew members were vaccinated on the ship and 96.5% of passengers were vaccinated, according to the Belize Tourism Board.

  179. 3179
    Whatsmyname says:

    By Eastsider @ 3123:

    RE: Eastsider @ 3094 – Another double-blind study on Ivermectin. This has been a top story on The Jerusalem Post in the past 3 weeks. Kary’s horse paste fear porn is next…

    Israeli scientist says COVID-19 could be treated for under $1/day
    Double-blind study shows ivermectin reduces disease’s duration and infectiousness • FDA and WHO caution against its use
    https://www.jpost.com/health-science/israeli-scientist-says-covid-19-could-be-treated-for-under-1day-675612

    These are MSM stories. Imagine that!

    The story so far:

    FDA approves Covid vaccines for emergency use, but that is not good enough because FDA hasn’t given full approval. Full FDA approval is so important, it trumps FDA recommendations. We must be vigilant against side effects.

    FDA does not approve animal de-wormer, ivermectin, for any kind of Covid treatment in humans. Now FDA approval is the problem. There’s a double blind study that reports modestly good numbers. That’s what counts. Any kind of FDA approval and waiting to understand side effects no longer matter.

    Except for vaccines. Still very important there.

  180. 3180
    Eastsider says:

    RE: Whatsmyname @ 3125 – Pfizer clinical trial phase 3 will not be completed before 2023. Its reported efficacy is under 50% against Delta. Regardless, FDA appears to be ready to approve Pfizer early next week. Remember – FDA also approved Vioxx and you can’t undo vaccination.

    IVM has been available for medical use with few side effects since 1981 (correct dosage is critical.) It is considered relatively free of toxicity. Way less toxic than vaccines with severe side effects and unknow long term effects. IVM is a non prescription drug in many countries.

    FDA can’t approve any drug treatment because they will have to pull EUA for vaccines.

  181. 3181
    Eastsider says:

    By Eastsider @ 2839:

    Israel PM – “Non-immunization for the third time leaves senior citizens in mortal danger.

    I came across Rev Jesse Jackson locally. He’s likely in the vulnerable group. If you belong to that group and are vaccinated, you need to consider the booster shot very soon. Jackson had his vaccine in January. (I’m still against vaccine for young and healthy people.)

    Jesse Jackson Sr., Jacqueline Jackson test positive for COVID-19, currently hospitalized at Northwestern
    https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/jesse-jackson-sr-jacqueline-jackson-test-positive-for-covid-19-currently-hospitalized-at-northwestern/

  182. 3182
    David says:

    I’ve seen Jesse Jackson too, he is a total jerk and piece of trash.

    RE: Eastsider @ 3127

  183. 3183
    David says:

    Republican states are booking the economic gains !!! Not a single Democrat state leads the top ten.

  184. 3184
    Whatsmyname says:

    RE: David @ 3129 – Are you talking about this? It promises to rate the states by GDP, but winds up rating the GDP percentage change during the 1st quarter. You have to scroll all the way to the bottom to see the actual GDP’s. Washington State has a higher GDP than every one of the “top 10” – even West Virginia. I know a nickel on a dollar is a higher rate than 14 cents on 3 dollars, but I’d rather have the 14 cents and the 3 dollars.

    https://www.bea.gov/sites/default/files/2021-06/qgdpstate0621.pdf

  185. 3185
    Eastsider says:

    By Whatsmyname @ 3130:

    I know a nickel on a dollar is a higher rate than 14 cents on 3 dollars, but I’d rather have the 14 cents and the 3 dollars.

    Nonsense. CA/NY/NJ/PA show negative YoY GDP growth while GA/TX/MS/SC/WA show positive growth.

  186. 3186
    Eastsider says:

    People considering the booster shot need to understand that it is still in clinical trial (same as current EUA vaccines.) The CDC just pushed back booster shot review by a week to 8/30 (despite WH’s earlier endorsement for booster shot.)

    A 72 year old participant in a study for a booster shot of the Moderna vaccine just dropped dead all of a sudden. No cause of his demise has been given. (Israel uses Pfizer booster shots.)

    There is no guidance from clinical trails on what you should do here.

    Jimmy Fahrenholtz, former Orleans Parish School Board member, rule breaker, dies at 72
    https://www.nola.com/news/education/article_b31ed24c-02bf-11ec-863b-234547c4035d.html

    Jimmy Fahrenholtz, a former Orleans Parish School Board member known for his parties, infectious joy and lax adherence to rules, died Friday at his home in Lakeview. He was 72.

    The cause of death was not immediately known. His wife, Pam Butler, said Fahrenholtz came inside after working in the yard, passed out and died.

    He was a member of numerous nonprofit and community organizations, including Mayor Mitch Landrieu’s Advisory Committee for Citizens with Disabilities and the Faubourg St. John Neighborhood Association; volunteered at festivals; and was participating in a study for a booster shot of the Moderna coronavirus vaccine.

  187. 3187
    Mikal says:

    RE: Matt P @ 3095 – Damn it. You beat me to it.

  188. 3188
    Whatsmyname says:

    By Eastsider @ 3131:

    By Whatsmyname @ 3130:

    I know a nickel on a dollar is a higher rate than 14 cents on 3 dollars, but I’d rather have the 14 cents and the 3 dollars.

    Nonsense. CA/NY/NJ/PA show negative YoY GDP growth while GA/TX/MS/SC/WA show positive growth.

    Nonsense? I’m pretty sure I’m sourcing from the same place as David, and reacting to the same numbers.

    You have apparently found numbers more to your liking. Even so, YOY would be Q1 to Q1 – so in the US Dept. of Commerce BEA figures, NY would be down, but CA/NJ/PA are all up .

    I’d rather have California’s YOY $48B increase to $3.2T total than West Virginia’s $3B increase to $80B total – but hey; they’re “top 10”, so I guess I’m the fool.

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  190. 3190
    Eastsider says:

    RE: Whatsmyname @ 3134 – I was referring to the share of the US GDP. Yes CA’s number has gone up YoY but it underperformed the rest of the country: CA +1.14%, TX +3.38%, USA +2.32%. CA gained $47.69B while TX gained $61.39B. CA’s economy was 1.754x of TX in Q12020 but dropped to 1.722x in Q12021. That was quite a decline.

  191. 3191
    Eastsider says:

    RE: Whatsmyname @ 3135 – Is this the best you can do? I don’t mind debating data and facts but this just shows you have no arguments. C’mon man!

  192. 3192
    Whatsmyname says:

    By Eastsider @ 3136:

    RE: Whatsmyname @ 3134 – I was referring to the share of the US GDP. Yes CA’s number has gone up YoY but it underperformed the rest of the country: CA +1.14%, TX +3.38%, USA +2.32%. CA gained $47.69B while TX gained $61.39B. CA’s economy was 1.754x of TX in Q12020 but dropped to 1.722x in Q12021. That was quite a decline.

    You didn’t say that their national share dropped. You said they showed “negative YoY GDP growth”. Not the same thing at all, and also factually incorrect.

    And share of national GDP in no way refutes the idea that more money and a lower growth can be preferable to a higher growth on much less money – your trope was based on negative growth; so your pretext for challenging my original comment doesn’t hold up.

    In fact your TX example was not even in the “top 10”, and so is tangential to any argument made prior. But if you want to talk TX vs CA; Q1 2021 shows lowly CA with a growth rate of 6.3% while TX has 4.3%. So currently they are running more money and a higher growth.

  193. 3193
    Whatsmyname says:

    By Eastsider @ 3137:

    RE: Whatsmyname @ 3135 – Is this the best you can do? I don’t mind debating data and facts but this just shows you have no arguments. C’mon man!

    The argument here, made by me and others before, is that the internet is full of ignorant lunkheads who would transform themselves into “experts in their own mind” via self selected internet readings, much of which is bias confirmation garbage. They will think that having a few facts, some of which may be understood, many of which won’t be, will validate their whole out-of-their-depth circle of bullshit.

    This is a common enough occurrence that everyone (almost) can recognize the joke. Those who can’t, are the joke.

  194. 3194
    Eastsider says:

    By Whatsmyname @ 3138:

    By Eastsider @ 3136:

    RE: Whatsmyname @ 3134 – I was referring to the share of the US GDP. Yes CA’s number has gone up YoY but it underperformed the rest of the country: CA +1.14%, TX +3.38%, USA +2.32%. CA gained $47.69B while TX gained $61.39B. CA’s economy was 1.754x of TX in Q12020 but dropped to 1.722x in Q12021. That was quite a decline.

    You didn’t say that their national share dropped. You said they showed “negative YoY GDP growth”. Not the same thing at all, and also factually incorrect.

    And share of national GDP in no way refutes the idea that more money and a lower growth can be preferable to a higher growth on much less money – your trope was based on negative growth; so your pretext for challenging my original comment doesn’t hold up.

    In fact your TX example was not even in the “top 10”, and so is tangential to any argument made prior. But if you want to talk TX vs CA; Q1 2021 shows lowly CA with a growth rate of 6.3% while TX has 4.3%. So currently they are running more money and a higher growth.

    CA’s YoY (real) growth is negative. March inflation is 2.6%. We all knew Venezuela’s economy collapsed irrespective of “current dollar growth”. Now that inflation is running at 5.4%, CA’s Q2 GDP vs TX is going to be telling.

    I did not make any statement on TX in “top 10.” I haven’t looked at that. Are you so desperate to put words in my mouth? Get a life!

  195. 3195
    Whatsmyname says:

    RE: Eastsider @ 3140 – National share, inflation adjusted: You just can’t help but try to change the argument and redefine the terms – even in self-contradictory ways. And without disclosure of what you are doing until you are called on it. And you want to use YOY growth but only the March inflation of 2.6% when 2020 inflation (most of the matching period) was 1.4%? What’s the old saying? Figures don’t lie, but liars figure?

    Talk about desperate. The conversation which you joined was about the “top 10” beneficiaries of the economic gains, and/or what a poor brag that was based on the first quarter’s GDP growth – on which that top 10 was defined. The random CA/TX comparison was tangential at best, and mighty poor cherry picking given the most recent data.

  196. 3196
    David says:

    Republicans have been consistently shown to have higher IQs than Democrats. Also,

    “10 states with the lowest unemployment rates are all led by GOP governors – while the 10 states with the highest percentage of out-of-work Americans are run by Democratic governors.”

    from two days ago: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/red-states-leading-us-economic-recovery-from-the-coronavirus-pandemic/ar-AANyaSX

    from March: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/red-states-leading-us-economic-growth-commerce-department-report

    RE: Whatsmyname @ 3138

  197. 3197
    David says:

    Also, what happens to WA State’s GDP if you strip out the billionaires?

  198. 3198
    Eastsider says:

    RE: Whatsmyname @ 3141 – We are comparing 2020Q1 vs 2021Q1 and the inflation is based on that. If your pay goes up from $50k to $51k when purchasing power drops from $50k to $49k, are you sure you are happy with your ‘pay raise’? And further arguing over this ‘raise’ with your wife? Really?

  199. 3199
    Whatsmyname says:

    RE: David @ 3142 – How embarrassing. I’d assumed your comment was triggered by the recent release of the first quarter data, but instead you were referring to a 5 month old propaganda sheet interpretation of the old 4th quarter release, (from your scrapbook?). I’m not sure if you did a better job of owning me, or of owning yourself. But save your article because the links will connect you to the more current information.

    Texas’ one quarter growth fall from 7.5% to 4.3% sure looks concerning to me, but they may well make up some ground on oil revenues. So I’m sure Joe Biden will be happy to say “you’re welcome, Texas”.

  200. 3200
    ruxpert says:

    Mask up mandate begins today
    Washington’s latest mask mandate goes into effect today. Just a reminder: Mask up while indoors, whether you are vaccinated or not
    – Pandemic blog: Updates for Washington state
    https://www.kuow.org/stories/pandemic-blog-updates-for-washington-state-48cb

    ===
    Pfizer’s COVID Vaccine Gets Full Approval From The FDA
    https://www.kuow.org/stories/pfizer-s-covid-vaccine-gets-full-approval-from-the-fda

  201. 3201
    Whatsmyname says:

    By Eastsider @ 3144:

    RE: Whatsmyname @ 3141 – We are comparing 2020Q1 vs 2021Q1 and the inflation is based on that. If your pay goes up from $50k to $51k when purchasing power drops from $50k to $49k, are you sure you are happy with your ‘pay raise’? And further arguing over this ‘raise’ with your wife? Really?

    You make a pretty good point regarding inflation and the working class wage earner. I think a better analogy for GDP is a business. If your business suffered a huge disaster related drop in business in the second quarter, but recovered to record level revenue production within 12 months, you’d feel pretty good. Especially if your most recent growth exceeds recent inflation.

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  203. 3203
    ruxpert says:

    RE: ruxpert @ 3148

    Michael Maloney
    Today is a GREAT day to watch this video:
    https://twitter.com/mike_maloney/status/1429828493802721283
    Are We Headed For The Greatest Depression? 1929 Vs Now
    https://youtu.be/ZCjWdAEh-EU

  204. 3204
    Eastsider says:

    BMJ is one of the world oldest medical journal. Below is the editor opinion piece –

    Does the FDA think these data justify the first full approval of a covid-19 vaccine?
    https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/08/23/does-the-fda-think-these-data-justify-the-first-full-approval-of-a-covid-19-vaccine/

  205. 3205
    Paulie says:

    RE: David @ 3142

    David, why don’t you move to West Virginia then?

    You know, since the people there have much higher IQs, are better workers, and the state is a Red utopia.

  206. 3206
    David says:

    Not – They have a Democrat Senator in WV. Once again proving that you might be better suited there!

    By Paulie @ 3151:

    RE: David @ 3142

    David, why don’t you move to West Virginia then?

    You know, since the people there have much higher IQs, are better workers, and the state is a Red utopia.

  207. 3207

    RE: Brianna @ 3056

    Sorry for the delay. I usually don’t run stats until the 4th Quarter but back on April 24 (and maybe here) I posted a graph of the median prices after the 2021 bump up per my zip codes and said I expected the market to be flat from there after locking in the 30% increase for 2021. I just did a quick check and yes…that has been true and I expect that to continue through year end.

    It’s too early to say what will happen in Spring of 2022. I at least need the full stats for all three 2021 Quarters for that. At the moment it is looking that next year will drop back to roughly 12% but stay on the upward incline. Mostly because I think these moratoriums will extend until they figure out how to stop them without crashing the market. We are at full masking again which means they have no intention of removing the price supports anytime soon.

    I also watch the Dance of the DOW and it supports my thoughts above. Of course having worked in real estate through Desert Storm, I’m watching Afghanistan very closely. Desert Storm caused a brief roller coaster even that mostly only people in the industry only saw because it was a short-lived escrow cancelling disaster. But recovered quickly. So far looks like Afghanistan as to the markets will be ok, but I wish it was over. Makes me nervous.

  208. 3208
    David says:

    The markets care about the vaccine being rightfully approved. Assuming it wasn’t approved under political pressure from Biden.

    The Democrats went out of their way to politicize the vaccine and now they are reaping as they sow. Esp when the government made it clear they were targeting ethnic groups for specific harm in denying access the vaccine.

    The Fauci-funded bat virus was coopted by the Chinese Military for bio-weapon purposes apparently. Meaning it was designed to last whether it really kills or not. Pneumonia has certainly never gone away and has always been a leading killer of the old.

    This virus is NEVER EVER going away. Why people are not getting that I do not know. Time to get on with life because this Fauci-China virus is here to stay forever.

    RE: ARDELL DellaLoggia @ 3153

  209. 3209
    Blurtman says:

    2020 COVID19 deaths, US: 375,000
    2020 US population: 331,002,647
    COVID19 deaths/total population: 0.001133
    Odds of not dying from COVID19 in 2020: 99.89%

    Cumulative COVID19 deaths, US, to date: 629,411
    2021 COVID19 deaths, US, to date: 254,411 (629,411-375,000)
    Projected 2021 COVID19 deaths, US: 380,000

    NYC cumulative COVID19 deaths, age 65-74, with underlying illness: 6,086
    NYC cumulative COVID19 deaths, age 65-74, without underlying illness: 8

    NYC cumulative COVID19 deaths, age 75 and older, with underlying illness: 12.012
    NYC cumulative COVID19 deaths, age 75 and older, without underlying illness: 7

  210. 3210
    David says:

    It should be noted that Japan used bio-warfare against China in WW2 and intended to use it against the US (before they got da bombed).

    Even today, China suffers from infections related to that Japanese bio-warfare. Bio-weapons developed with far less effective tech.

    China Virus is NEVER going away.

    By Blurtman @ 3155:

    2020 COVID19 deaths, US: 375,000
    2020 US population: 331,002,647
    COVID19 deaths/total population: 0.001133
    Odds of not dying from COVID19 in 2020: 99.89%

    Cumulative COVID19 deaths, US, to date: 629,411
    2021 COVID19 deaths, US, to date: 254,411 (629,411-375,000)
    Projected 2021 COVID19 deaths, US: 380,000

    NYC cumulative COVID19 deaths, age 65-74, with underlying illness: 6,086
    NYC cumulative COVID19 deaths, age 65-74, without underlying illness: 8

    NYC cumulative COVID19 deaths, age 75 and older, with underlying illness: 12.012
    NYC cumulative COVID19 deaths, age 75 and older, without underlying illness: 7

  211. 3211
    Azucar_80127 says:

    Wow, now that social media has gotten more serious about enforcing their policies against people spreading misinformation it seems that a lot of the people who can’t do it there have come here to take advantage of the fact that Tim has basically abandoned this site.

    It looks like Tim might have had the right idea. I may still continue to check in here occasionally, but not with the intent of getting any meaningful information or discussion. Someone at least needs to ban the guy who has been posting all of the links to misinformation sites that are also full of malware.

  212. 3212
  213. 3213
    ARDELL DellaLoggia says:

    RE: David @ 3154

    I wasn’t talking about the virus.

  214. 3214
    Matt P says:

    By Azucar_80127 @ 3157:

    Wow, now that social media has gotten more serious about enforcing their policies against people spreading misinformation it seems that a lot of the people who can’t do it there have come here to take advantage of the fact that Tim has basically abandoned this site.

    It looks like Tim might have had the right idea. I may still continue to check in here occasionally, but not with the intent of getting any meaningful information or discussion. Someone at least needs to ban the guy who has been posting all of the links to misinformation sites that are also full of malware.

    Maybe someone should tell Tim what’s going on since he’s still advertising it on his official Redfin blog page that he’s the owner of this site.

  215. 3215
    Matt P says:

    By ARDELL DellaLoggia @ 3153:

    RE: Brianna @ 3056

    Sorry for the delay. I usually don’t run stats until the 4th Quarter but back on April 24 (and maybe here) I posted a graph of the median prices after the 2021 bump up per my zip codes and said I expected the market to be flat from there after locking in the 30% increase for 2021. I just did a quick check and yes…that has been true and I expect that to continue through year end.

    It’s too early to say what will happen in Spring of 2022. I at least need the full stats for all three 2021 Quarters for that. At the moment it is looking that next year will drop back to roughly 12% but stay on the upward incline. Mostly because I think these moratoriums will extend until they figure out how to stop them without crashing the market. We are at full masking again which means they have no intention of removing the price supports anytime soon.

    I also watch the Dance of the DOW and it supports my thoughts above. Of course having worked in real estate through Desert Storm, I’m watching Afghanistan very closely. Desert Storm caused a brief roller coaster even that mostly only people in the industry only saw because it was a short-lived escrow cancelling disaster. But recovered quickly. So far looks like Afghanistan as to the markets will be ok, but I wish it was over. Makes me nervous.

    It’s definitely not flat everywhere there at least not on the low end. In Bellevue there, there is no SFH detached below 1 million being sold and now it looks like the floor might be 1.1 million. That’s now spilling over into the surrounding areas. So the median and average might have flattened, but only because the high end stopped going up.

  216. 3216
    David says:

    Gov Ron DeSantis had 2 press conferences in different parts of Florida yesterday launching monoclonal sites. Carried on all local TV stations & Florida Channel. Gov & Chief Medical Officer mentioned the full FDA approval of Pfizer.

    By Azucar_80127 @ 3157:

    Wow, now that social media has gotten more serious about enforcing their policies against people spreading misinformation it seems that a lot of the people who can’t do it there have come here to take advantage of the fact that Tim has basically abandoned this site.

    It looks like Tim might have had the right idea. I may still continue to check in here occasionally, but not with the intent of getting any meaningful information or discussion. Someone at least needs to ban the guy who has been posting all of the links to misinformation sites that are also full of malware.

  217. 3217
    Eastsider says:

    Dr Eric Feigl-Ding is a prominent proponent of masks and vaccines with credentials. He’s been quoted regularly in MSM. Even he is now recognizing the danger we face – see 2) on re-vaccination. Someone better starts a long term study of multiple mRNA injections involving the spike protein very soon.

    https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1429666946228887554

    1) Really bad—is the recent vaccine efficacy drops due to vaccine immunity waning or due to #DeltaVariant? New study suggests it’s Delta—and “highly concerning.” ➡️”Delta variant has the potential to bring with it renewed outbreaks, even in highly vaccinated”

    2) The Utah, Johns Hopkins, and UNC epidemiologists continue… “If there is a consistent trend of increasing immune escape as new variants arise, it could eventually undermine the effectiveness of current vaccines and necessitate mass re-vaccination.”

    3) Here is the recent very troubling drops in efficacy. There is both evidence of #DeltaVariant being problematic but also waning as immunity too.

    4) CDC has been very much very late in declaring the obvious on vaccine efficacy drop and breakthroughs with #DeltaVariant

  218. 3218
    David says:

    Progressive medical Gov Ron Desantis monoclonal injection sites have really ramped up:

    https://spacecoastdaily.com/2021/08/hundreds-of-people-a-day-visit-monoclonal-antibody-site-at-kiwanis-island-park-for/

    RE: Eastsider @ 3163

  219. 3219
    Whatsmyname says:

    RE: David @ 3164 – Do you think Eastsider will be excited about this experimental drug that only has emergency approval from the FDA, and only then for people already infected? It has permanent effects on your immune system, and is currently a monopoly for Big Pharma member Regeneron Pharmaceuticals – which has probably captured the State of Florida. Have all the risks and side effects been fully studied? I wonder what the state is paying per dose? Will Eastsider spend countless hours perusing the internet to identify any purported problems? Are the Koch brothers putting tiny trackers in the doses?

  220. 3220

    RE: Matt P @ 3161

    Actually it’s the opposite Matt. It’s hard to use Bellevue as a trend tracker because it is not cohesive. But note that 98004 and 05 (higher priced areas) increased significantly from April but that’s more about mix in 05 and 07,08 and 06 stabilized by April. Note that 98004 median is more than double all the rest of Bellevue, so you can’t lump it together any more than you can lump together 98033 and 98034 in Kirkland.

    But generally based on the stats I just ran, no. The high end is higher and the low and median end is the same now vs April.

    I think you may be going by price bid ups, but that’s just a function of list prices not increasing on track with sold prices expanding. I’m not sure why sellers and their agents are doing that when the comps clearly support a higher asking price. So they may still put it at the asking price of April but get the same end result as April causing you to think the prices are up since April when you see the bid up.

  221. 3221
    Matt P says:

    By ARDELL DellaLoggia @ 3166:

    RE: Matt P @ 3161

    Actually it’s the opposite Matt. It’s hard to use Bellevue as a trend tracker because it is not cohesive. But note that 98004 and 05 (higher priced areas) increased significantly from April but that’s more about mix in 05 and 07,08 and 06 stabilized by April. Note that 98004 median is more than double all the rest of Bellevue, so you can’t lump it together any more than you can lump together 98033 and 98034 in Kirkland.

    But generally based on the stats I just ran, no. The high end is higher and the low and median end is the same now vs April.

    I think you may be going by price bid ups, but that’s just a function of list prices not increasing on track with sold prices expanding. I’m not sure why sellers and their agents are doing that when the comps clearly support a higher asking price. So they may still put it at the asking price of April but get the same end result as April causing you to think the prices are up since April when you see the bid up.

    I don’t think zip code is the best either. Part of 06 is in the Renton school district, part in Issaquah and part in Bellevue. There are different prices for each of those.

    You could be right that it’s just a factor of bid ups. I think though that there was a flattening the last couple months and now prices have started creeping up again but there’s also more inventory piling up in the low end too.

  222. 3222
    David says:

    I only care about what makes the stock market go up and that little tyrants are not empowered. Personally, I am Pfizered up two doses. But did have a weird potential side effect.

    Only a dolt would fully trust the government. Everything they do is to protect their government check.

    RE: Whatsmyname @ 3165

  223. 3223
    Eastsider says:

    A couple comments on the FDA approved Covid vaccine Comirnaty.

    1. There is no Comirnaty availability in the market. The existing vaccines are all still under EUA.
    2. I understand there is no product liability shield for Comirnaty, a FDA approved vaccine, unlike the EUA vaccines.

    So FDA has approved a legally distinct vaccine identical to the existing Pfizer vaccine under EUA. There is no availability for Comirnaty today. Comirnaty is not a product from Pfizer but a much smaller, separate entity.

    https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1430389003337994240

    P.s. Covid is a serious disease for old people and people with comorbidities. Do you research and discuss with your PCP if you are still trying to decide if the vaccine is for you.

  224. 3224
    Eastsider says:

    RE: David @ 3168 – I understand Israel will require 3 doses for their “green passport.” So get ready for your third and fourth shots…

  225. 3225
    ruxpert says:

    RE: ruxpert @ 3158

    ‘FDA Approval’?
    Former Pfizer Employee: “Checkmate. Game Over. We WIN”
    Stew Peters Show
    August 25, 2021
    https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2021/08/former-pfizer-employee-checkmate-game-over-we-win

    Biotech Analyst DESTROYS Big Pharma in BOMBSHELL EXCLUSIVE!

    Karen Kingston is a former Pfizer employee, a pharmaceutical marketing expert and biotech analyst.

    Kingston joins Stew Peters, and brings the receipts! Kingston reveals how the FDA “approval” is sure to be the “checkmate” move to end the shots that have caused unprecedented injury and death, worldwide.
    —————

    Dr. Ruby
    Did FDA Approve Pfizer ‘Vaccine’, or NO?
    A Red Herring?
    August 24, 2021
    https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2021/08/did-fda-approve-pfizer-vaccine-or-no/

    Rumors, narratives, rhetoric flying around from different doctors, experts, lawyers and scientists on every different platform reading the “approval” of the Pfizer shots differently, interpreting the language to mean different things.

    This is NOT by accident.

  226. 3226
    ruxpert says:

    RE: ruxpert @ 3171

    Can Your Employer Require a Covid Vaccine?
    We asked a UW health law expert.

    By Benjamin Cassidy June 3, 2021
    https://www.seattlemet.com/news-and-city-life/2021/06/can-your-employer-require-a-covid-vaccine-washington-state

  227. 3227

    RE: Matt P @ 3167

    I don’t use Bellevue as a trend tracker, so you could be right. Still makes zero sense to put 98004 in with 98007 and 98008 anymore than you can do 98033 lumped in with 98034. The products and prices are just too diverse to draw conclusion.

    I tend to use Kirkland and Redmond more and Redmond the best for tracking market trends for many reasons. That more true of 98052 vs 98053.

    That said…and while I’m typing this…might as well take a peek at 98052. Almost no movement since April so I stick with what I said back in April. 2021 Appreciation kicked in early and fully by 3rd week in April and is sustaining…

  228. 3228

    I don’t talk about COVID much. I’m vaccinated but 100% agree with Bill Maher, for those who watch him.

    Anyway…ponder this. On the CDC website it says children should get FOUR doses of polio vaccine. I know my kids did not as I never heard that before. Point being, just because the CDC says it and the CDC is RIGHT doesn’t mean you can mandate that people do it.

    The issue isn’t who is right and wrong. Let’s assume the science is 100% right. That still doesn’t mean you can hold people down and make them or put them out of work if they don’t…or at least some people are allowed to feel that way the same way a mother doesn’t give her child four polio shots.

    So stop arguing about the science. The issue is some people are allowed to say “I don’t want to”. We were merely hoping that only 20% would say that. We never thought 100% would get it…did we?

    People who think 100% of people should say yes are crazier than the people who are saying no.

    I know and love many people on both sides and frankly know more than my fair share of people who won’t take it or are taking one “for the team” as Bill Maher put it but aren’t buying into the needing to do it every 6 months forever.

    The issue is some % of people not getting it has to be “allowed” to just say no, the same as people who have a Doctor’s Note saying no. I still don’t get how people get that exemption. I can’t imagine anyone sicker than Kim over here and he got it.

  229. 3229
    David says:

    I agree with you on this. If you have been vaccinated then you are protected. The mask is to protect yourself. The vaccine is to protect yourself.

    And if it turns out the naturalists are right and the vaccine is dangerous over time, they’ll outlive us and smirk at our foolishness in trusting institutions.

    RE: ARDELL DellaLoggia @ 3174

  230. 3230
    OA says:

    By ARDELL DellaLoggia @ 3174:

    I don’t talk about COVID much. I’m vaccinated but 100% agree with Bill Maher, for those who watch him.

    Anyway…ponder this. On the CDC website it says children should get FOUR doses of polio vaccine. I know my kids did not as I never heard that before. Point being, just because the CDC says it and the CDC is RIGHT doesn’t mean you can mandate that people do it.

    The issue isn’t who is right and wrong. Let’s assume the science is 100% right. That still doesn’t mean you can hold people down and make them or put them out of work if they don’t…or at least some people are allowed to feel that way the same way a mother doesn’t give her child four polio shots.

    So stop arguing about the science. The issue is some people are allowed to say “I don’t want to”. We were merely hoping that only 20% would say that. We never thought 100% would get it…did we?

    People who think 100% of people should say yes are crazier than the people who are saying no.

    I know and love many people on both sides and frankly know more than my fair share of people who won’t take it or are taking one “for the team” as Bill Maher put it but aren’t buying into the needing to do it every 6 months forever.

    The issue is some % of people not getting it has to be “allowed” to just say no, the same as people who have a Doctor’s Note saying no. I still don’t get how people get that exemption. I can’t imagine anyone sicker than Kim over here and he got it.

    100% agreed.

    I’m curious how people will be able to get religious exemptions for this. I’m a Christian, but in no way shape or form does that prohibit me from taking the vaccine.

    Will be interesting to see how that will play out. More and more companies/orgs are mandating it now.

  231. 3231
    Eastsider says:

    We have to stop this mandate madness regardless of our vaccination status. An Israelis will likely need 3 doses to get the “green passport” going forward. Do you want to be forced to make a choice between the next booster shot and your job? This is what unvaxxed employees are facing in corporate America today.

    If you want to follow latest Covid development, Alex Berenson is another good source. He had been banned on twitter and defamed by MSM. But he has been largely correct in his (earlier banned) assessments.

    Here is his latest tweet on natural immunity. IMO, you should resist the vaccine if you have been infected previously. Forget about PCR tests because the test results were unreliable. You will need antibody or T cell test for confirmation.

    https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1430639009190096900

    @AlexBerenson
    1/ Wow. New Israeli preprint shows natural immunity to #SARSCoV2 is FAR superior to the artificial kind – vaccinated people were 13x as likely to be infected and 27x to have symptomatic infections as a matched cohort that was previously infected. And this is with Delta dominant.
    2/ The paper also shows that offering previously infected people one dose slightly reduced their infection risk (though not enough to outweigh side effects, I would argue). Along with the other emerging data, this paper should end any debate over vaccines v natural immunity…
    3/ Source: https://medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full.pdf

  232. 3232
  233. 3233
    David says:

    Honestly, I’m vaccinated and whether someone gets the vaccine will have no effect on me. But my 100 pound wife had a WAY WAY WAY WAY more violent reaction to the shingles vaccine she got in Seattle. She had ZERO reaction to the Pfizer vaccine.

    Personally I would get it cuz I just don’t think it is going to be that big a deal for you.

    We are also going to get the pneumonia vaccine when we get to the age. My 92 year old mother had not heard of the pneumonia vaccine til I urged her to get it. She had no reaction to that. She also got the Pfizer vaccine. No problems.

    The Democrats politicized the vaccine. That is the main problem. Plus the Dems have been tyrannical and pissed people off.

    RE: ruxpert @ 3178

  234. 3234
    Eastsider says:

    Finally, the CDC admits VE against Delta is nowhere near 90%. Israel(?) says its 39%.

    Effectiveness of COVID-19 Vaccines in Preventing SARS-CoV-2 Infection Among Frontline Workers Before and During B.1.617.2 (Delta) Variant Predominance — Eight U.S. Locations, December 2020–August 2021
    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e4.htm?s_cid=mm7034e4_w

    The VE point estimates declined from 91% before predominance of the SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant to 66% since the SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant became predominant at the HEROES-RECOVER cohort study sites; however, this trend should be interpreted with caution because VE might also be declining as time since vaccination increases and because of poor precision in estimates due to limited number of weeks of observation and few infections among participants.

  235. 3235
    Eastsider says:

    WHO vs CDC.

    You decide.

    Tweet from Dr Robert W Malone –
    @RWMaloneMD
    “WHO Leader Pleads Against Booster Shots—Questioning Efficacy And Highlighting Risk Of ‘More Potent’ Variants”
    “Furthermore, the WHO director called into question whether booster shots are “effective at all,””
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/08/23/who-leader-pleads-against-booster-shots-questioning-efficacy-and-highlighting-risk-of-more-potent-variants/

  236. 3236

    RE: OA @ 3176

    One of my daughters is trying it with her company. I thought she should go with PTSD Medical, but she went with religious. I don’t think it will work. Will let you know.

    She once told me “Mom, don’t tell me I “have to” or I really won’t.

    Some people don’t do well with mandates. :)

  237. 3237
    S-Crow says:

    RE: Eastsider @ 3181 – Who to believe? And other scientists claim that the variants get less severe upon every evolution (perhaps more contagious but less severe). An yet more claim it is utterly false you can be contagious being asymptomatic. Seems highly plausible based upon presenting to a clinic without any symptoms from the common cold onward to the flu among other illness which any MD, PA or Nurse would promptly say, you are healthy—“and you are at the clinic for what”?

  238. 3238
    Eastsider says:

    RE: S-Crow @ 3183 – I don’t trust CDC and FDA at all. They approved a vaccine that has no availability but push employers to mandate the experimental jabs. They actively make it impossible to obtain Ivermectin, even if you have a prescription, and claim that the miracle drug is dangerous for human (Note billions of doses have been consumed by human in last decade or two without severe side effects.)

    Chairman of the Tokyo Metropolitan Medical Association in an emergency press conference 2 weeks ago renewed call to use Ivermectin to treat Covid. Yet the news have been suppressed here and all you read is a stupid tweet from the FDA (“You are not a horse. You are not a cow. Seriously, y’all. Stop it.”)

    Unless you are super vulnerable, you probably should consider if you want the 3rd, 4th, 5th boosters because you may not be able to get off the train at some point to stay alive. I would listen to the WHO on this one. Again, I am not a medical professional so do you own research.

    The news below is from Japan. No western media covers it.

    Chairman Ozaki “The whole country is hit by a disaster” and a sense of crisis (Translated)
    https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.tokyo-np.co.jp/article/123988

  239. 3239
    don says:

    RE: Eastsider @ 3184

    So this is the “Eureka” about ivermectin you speak of?

     ”Regarding the antiparasitic drug “ivermectin”, it shows the number of infections and deaths of the new corona in a country that is prophylactically administered for another disease in Africa. It is necessary to thoroughly study the clinical trial, but it seems that we are at the stage where it is okay to have the patient give an informed outlet and get permission to use it. ”

    This is the last para. of the link you posted run through google translate.

  240. 3240
    Eastsider says:

    Dr Robert Malone is against the booster shot. Ignore his advice at your own peril. I would not bet against the inventor of mRNA vaccine.

    https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1430865102962581505

    Robert W Malone, MD
    @RWMaloneMD
    RE substituting hope for data on this “more is better” boosting strategy. We are not mice, we are humans. Please respect our lives. Immunology is a complex system. If you are going to insist on exerting authoritarian control regarding mandated jabs, at least get data first!

    High zone tolerance is a real thing. With vaccines and vaccination, more is not always better. Sometimes it can be decidedly worse. So please, respect us, our lives, and our health. Policy must be evidence based. Thank you.

  241. 3241
    Eastsider says:

    RE: don @ 3185 – I included a few scientific papers on Ivermectin in previous comments. They are many more that show good results. Nobody is mandating you to use it. And stop the childish (cow) BS. So predictable.

  242. 3242
    Eastsider says:

    This is a very worrisome development if true. Don’t mean to include “conspiracy” but it may happen more often going forward. (MSM’s record on Covid has been spotty as well. Just sayin’)

    Read the letter in the post.
    https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1430891005700542468

    Similar happenings in Vietnam –
    Study: Fully Vaccinated Healthcare Workers Carry 251 Times Viral Load, Pose Threat to Unvaccinated Patients, Co-Workers
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/08/no_author/study-fully-vaccinated-healthcare-workers-carry-251-times-viral-load-pose-threat-to-unvaccinated-patients-co-workers/

  243. 3243
    don says:

    RE: Eastsider @ 3187

    I trust the article is more persuasive if read in Japanese.
    Just who are you trying to save here with all your in the brush articles and studies related to this drug.
    Are you taking it yourself?

    cow? How obscure can you get?

  244. 3244
    ARDELL DellaLoggia says:

    RE: don @ 3189

    If he and others were remotely talking about the markets they’d be talking about the Jackson Hole Summit and the bombs in Afghanistan.

    How they pretend to connect their personal obsessions to the real estate, or any, market is beyond comprehension.

  245. 3245
    don says:

    RE: ARDELL DellaLoggia @ 3190

    Ardell,

    It’s hilarious how he keeps telling Kary to “get a life”.

    Unmoderated forums, hideouts for the T. Carlson army…

    Do you think the Seattle metro area will average greater than median up 7% in 2022?
    Probably an unfair question as I know you are waiting to see the beginning of Q4.

  246. 3246
    ruxpert says:

    someone say T.Carlson?

    SeattleBubblers
    “Don’t talk to your neighbors; stay in your bubble.”

    Summit News:

    Video: Tucker Carlson Warns “Elitist Authoritarians” Are Intent On Making Us All “Shut Up And Obey”

    “Has there ever been a clearer window into the society they’re trying to build?”

    “Fox News host Tucker Carlson issued a stark warning Tuesday, emphasising that “we’re seeing now what happens when countries tolerate authoritarians, even for a moment” as people worldwide are being told to submit to increasingly draconian “rules” in the wake of the pandemic.

    Carlson noted “Has there ever been a clearer window into the society they’re trying to build? Our formerly middle-class nation now has a serf class. They’re the ones wearing the masks, being forced to take drugs they don’t want, being told not to communicate with one another, except through digital channels the Democratic Party controls.”

    Carlson also described some of the insane policies being put into place in Australia and New Zealand, describing them as akin to North Korea.”

    Watch:
    Tucker: “You don’t need a mask if you’re a rich Democrat”
    Aug. 24, 2021
    https://youtu.be/V0P8TBZEMt4

    ;-)

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    ruxpert says:

    JUST IN – Australia builds the first “quarantine facility” to “keep the community safe,” Premier of Queensland announces.
    https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1430823997911052288

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    northender says:

    RE: ARDELL DellaLoggia @ 3153
    I also watch the Dance of the DOW and it supports my thoughts above. Of course having worked in real estate through Desert Storm, I’m watching Afghanistan very closely. Desert Storm caused a brief roller coaster even that mostly only people in the industry only saw because it was a short-lived escrow cancelling disaster. But recovered quickly. So far looks like Afghanistan as to the markets will be ok, but I wish it was over. Makes me nervous.

    Ardell,
    What happened that cancelled closings? Did lenders get cold feet? I couldn’t find anything online…

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    David says:

    I was out looking at houses today and I don’t think a single person was wearing a mask. They do have a big highway sign advertising the Antibody Treatment site Desantis set up last week.

    Florida is wide open. But hot.

    THE CHINA VIRUS IS NEVER GOING AWAY. It was designed in a Chinese lab to endure. Get on with it.

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