{"id":1358,"date":"2007-12-20T14:00:17","date_gmt":"2007-12-20T22:00:17","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/2007\/12\/20\/doom-and-gloom-stereotypes-and-predictions\/"},"modified":"2011-02-21T12:54:04","modified_gmt":"2011-02-21T20:54:04","slug":"doom-and-gloom-stereotypes-and-predictions","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/2007\/12\/20\/doom-and-gloom-stereotypes-and-predictions\/","title":{"rendered":"Doom and Gloom, Stereotypes, and Predictions"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I&#8217;d like to take a little time to address a few things that keep coming up here and elsewhere in online real estate conversations that are starting to bug me.  So that&#8217;s what I&#8217;m going to do.<\/p>\n<p><a name=\"doomandgloom\"><\/a><strong><u>Doom and Gloom Apocalypse Fun Time<\/u><\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"margin: 5px auto; width: 400px; font-size: 0.8em; text-align: center\"><a href=\"http:\/\/timwistrom.com\/zen\/index.php?main_page=product_info&amp;cPath=1&amp;products_id=130\" title=\"Killer View by Tim Wistrom\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2007\/12\/doom_and_gloom.png\" style=\"border: 1px solid #000000; margin: 5px\" title=\"Killer View by Tim Wistrom\" alt=\"Killer View by Tim Wistrom\" height=\"320\" width=\"400\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>First up is the incessant refrain that anyone predicting a decline in house prices is forecasting &#8220;doom and gloom&#8221; and\/or a &#8220;housing apocalypse.&#8221;  How do lower prices translate to &#8220;doom and gloom&#8221;?  Isn&#8217;t it a <em>good<\/em> thing that people will actually be able to <em>afford<\/em> to buy a house without entering into a self-destructive financial death trap?  Are falling gas prices &#8220;doom and gloom&#8221;?  What about falling flat-screen TV prices?<\/p>\n<p>When the cost of something falls, <strong>it is a good thing<\/strong> that leads to greater affordability and frees up money for people to spend on other things.  Apparently I&#8217;ve got it backward.  To me, a rapid escalation of prices leading people to make extremely risky financial decisions and putting them in a situation where all they can afford to do is pay the mortgage (if that) is &#8220;doom and gloom.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><a name=\"opinionboxes\"><\/a><strong><u>Convenient Opinion Boxes<\/u><\/strong><br \/>\nThis is one I see a lot on blogs, and I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;m even guilty of it as well: stereotyping opinions.  For example, someone comments that they don&#8217;t think prices will fall 20% next year, so someone else labels them as a &#8220;housing cheerleader&#8221; that doesn&#8217;t think prices will fall at all, ever.  Or on the other side, someone remarks that they expect prices will continue to drop for the next year and therefore don&#8217;t intend to buy right now, and the response is something to the effect of &#8220;renting forever is stupid.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>The fact is, you can&#8217;t put people&#8217;s opinions into convenient boxes.  The fact that I don&#8217;t intend to buy a house <em>right now<\/em> does not imply that I think nobody should <em>ever<\/em> buy a house.  Likewise, someone who doesn&#8217;t have a problem buying now doesn&#8217;t necessarily think prices will keep going up.<\/p>\n<p>Let&#8217;s try to avoid making assumptions about people&#8217;s opinions based on one or two comments.  The discussion is much more productive when we actually address what people are <em>really saying<\/em>, not what we imagine they might say if they were a certain &#8220;type of person&#8221; that we assume them to be.<\/p>\n<p><a name=\"silly\"><\/a><strong><u>&#8220;Won&#8217;t you feel silly&#8230;&#8221;<\/u><\/strong><br \/>\nLastly, it has been said that if prices &#8220;only fall 20%,&#8221; won&#8217;t I feel so silly, because that would put them back at 2005 levels, which is when I started the blog, tee hee hee.<\/p>\n<p>Of course I won&#8217;t feel silly.  First off, what did I say when I started the blog?  Did I claim that prices were going to plummet from their current levels?  Did I predict fifty cents on the 2005 dollar?  Nope.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/2005\/08\/16\/about-the-blogger\/\" title=\"About the Blogger\">Here&#8217;s what I <em>did<\/em> say<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>One thing I do know for certain is that the recent trend of rapidly increasing property values (double-digit increases year-on-year) cannot possibly continue indefinitely. If it did, eventually everyone would be priced out of real estate. There has to be a slow-down sometime, and I think it\u2019s coming fairly soon (within the next 3-5 years). I don\u2019t know if it will take the form of a leveling off of values, or a slow decrease, or a sudden decrease (bubble bursting), but I know it is coming.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>By <em>not<\/em> buying a home in 2005, I have been able to pay <strong>all<\/strong> my debt (which was 90%+ school loans), purchase two cars with cash, give generously to charity, and build up a decent amount of savings\u2014retirement, stocks, and enough liquid cash to live over a year with zero income.  Why would I feel silly about that?<\/p>\n<p>Furthermore, prices retracting to their 2005 levels in 2008 does not really mean that prices were &#8220;flat.&#8221;  When you account for inflation, it&#8217;s actually a decline.  In fact, according to the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.bls.gov\/cpi\/\" title=\"Bureau of Labor Statistics\">Bureau of Labor Statistics<\/a> inflation calculator, just to keep up with inflation, a home in 2007 would have to sell for 7.6% more than it did in 2005.  You can&#8217;t ignore three years of wage increases and savings built up by renting.<\/p>\n<p>That being said, my guess is that prices will fall by <em>at least<\/em> 20%.  I suspect that they will fall further, but even if 20% off the peak is the lowest they go, it still makes far more sense to buy at 20% off the peak with sound financing in 2008 than it would have to buy for the same price with a shaky loan in 2005.<\/p>\n<p><strong><u>Back to Business<\/u><\/strong><br \/>\nSo there you go.  Now that I&#8217;ve gotten those things off my chest, we can get back to the business of bashing real estate agents and mocking home sellers.  <em>(It&#8217;s a joke, people.)<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I&#8217;d like to take a little time to address a few things that keep coming up here and elsewhere in online real estate conversations that are starting to bug me. So that&#8217;s what I&#8217;m going to do. 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