{"id":15279,"date":"2011-04-15T13:48:02","date_gmt":"2011-04-15T20:48:02","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/?p=15279"},"modified":"2011-04-15T16:17:27","modified_gmt":"2011-04-15T23:17:27","slug":"friday-flashback-why-second-guess-forbes-moodys","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/2011\/04\/15\/friday-flashback-why-second-guess-forbes-moodys\/","title":{"rendered":"Friday Flashback: Why Second-Guess Forbes &#038; Moody&#8217;s?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Today&#8217;s flashback comes from September 2006, when Forbes tackled the question: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.forbes.com\/2006\/09\/07\/real-estate-predictions_cx_lr_0908housing.html\" title=\"How Low Will Real Estate Go?\">How Low Will Real Estate Go?<\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Get used to it&mdash;the seller&#8217;s market is closing up shop. The days of fat, fast home value increases are gone. Pack away those flipping fantasies.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;The boom is definitely over, there&#8217;s no debate about that,&#8221; said Mark Zandi, chief economist of West Chester, Pa.-based research firm Moody&#8217;s Economy.com. &#8220;Now the question is more how hard is it going to land, if it lands at all.&#8221;<br \/>\n&#8230;<br \/>\nBut that&#8217;s just today&#8217;s pain. What about six months from now? A year? Five years?<br \/>\n&#8230;<br \/>\nTo get a sense of how home prices will perform in various parts of the U.S., we turned to Moody&#8217;s Economy.com for historic and predicted median home prices in 15 major metropolitan areas. We looked back ten years and forward another ten.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Here&#8217;s <a href=\"http:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2007\/06\/economycom_seattle_forecast.gif\" title=\"Forbes Prediction\" rel=\"lightbox[15279]\">their prediction<\/a> for Seattle home prices through 2016, with the actual performance of Seattle-area home prices as measured by the Case-Shiller home price index overlaid on their forecast in red.<\/p>\n<div style=\"margin: 5px auto; width: 600px; font-size: 0.8em; text-align: center;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/04\/economycom_seattle_forecast-Updated-2011-01.png\" title=\"Forbes 09\/2006 Seattle Home Price Prediction vs. Reality\" rel=\"lightbox[15279]\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/04\/economycom_seattle_forecast-Updated-2011-01-600x435.png\" style=\"border:0;\" title=\"Forbes 09\/2006 Seattle Home Price Prediction vs. Reality - Click to enlarge\" alt=\"Forbes 09\/2006 Seattle Home Price Prediction vs. Reality\" width=\"600\" height=\"435\" \/><\/a><\/div>\n<p>Here&#8217;s what <a href=\"http:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/2006\/09\/09\/economycom-seattle-definitely-special\/\" title=\"Economy.com: Seattle Definitely Special\">I had to say about their forecasts<\/a> at the time:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Sanity check: According to Moody&#8217;s Economy.com, in the next ten years, home prices in Seattle will overtake Miami, Boston, Washington, <span style=\"font-style:italic;\">and<\/span> <strong>New York?!?<\/strong>  Okay I don&#8217;t care how <span style=\"font-style:italic;\">intricate<\/span> your formula is, if you think home prices in Seattle will be higher than in New York City, I think you&#8217;ve intricate-ed yourself right off your rocker.<\/p>\n<p>But that&#8217;s just my ignorant, non-economist opinion.  I don&#8217;t have any <span style=\"font-style:italic;\">intricate formulas<\/span> to back it up.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Here&#8217;s what <a href=\"http:\/\/www.realtown.com\/Ardell\/blog\/tracking-the-market\/seattle-housing-appreciation-graph\" title=\"Seattle Housing - Appreciation Graph\">one local real estate agent had to say about the forecast<\/a> at the time:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>When I went to the underlying article, I had to say to myself, why would we be second guessing Forbes and Moody&#8217;s?  Surely they have the data to deliver the most reliable results.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Yes, why would we be second guessing them?  Why indeed.  And don&#8217;t call me Shirley.<\/p>\n<div style=\"font-size:85%; border-top:1px solid #CCCCCC;\">The purpose of our <a href=\"http:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/tag\/friday-flashback\/\" title=\"Friday Flashback on Seattle Bubble\">Friday Flashback series<\/a> is to remind people why it&#8217;s never a good idea to base your home purchase decisions on the word of someone with a vested financial interest in selling as many homes as possible for as much as possible, no matter what.  If you&#8217;ve got a good example of local home salespeople or other industry shills on record making fools of themselves in the years before the bubble burst, <a href=\"http:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/contact\/\">shoot me an email<\/a>.<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Today&#8217;s flashback comes from September 2006, when Forbes tackled the question: How Low Will Real Estate Go? Get used to it&mdash;the seller&#8217;s market is closing up shop. The days of fat, fast home value increases are gone. Pack away those flipping fantasies. &#8220;The boom is definitely over, there&#8217;s no debate about that,&#8221; said Mark Zandi,&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":15288,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[206],"tags":[639,89,638],"coauthors":[],"class_list":["post-15279","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-features","tag-639","tag-forbes","tag-friday-flashback"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v26.2 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Friday Flashback: Why Second-Guess Forbes &amp; Moody&#039;s? \u2022 Seattle Bubble<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/2011\/04\/15\/friday-flashback-why-second-guess-forbes-moodys\/\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:card\" content=\"summary_large_image\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:title\" content=\"Friday Flashback: Why Second-Guess Forbes &amp; Moody&#039;s? \u2022 Seattle Bubble\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:description\" content=\"Today&#8217;s flashback comes from September 2006, when Forbes tackled the question: How Low Will Real Estate Go? Get used to it&mdash;the seller&#8217;s market is closing up shop. The days of fat, fast home value increases are gone. Pack away those flipping fantasies. &#8220;The boom is definitely over, there&#8217;s no debate about that,&#8221; said Mark Zandi,...\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:image\" content=\"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/04\/economycom_seattle_forecast-Updated-2011-01.png\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:creator\" content=\"@The_Tim\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:site\" content=\"@SeattleBubble\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:label1\" content=\"Written by\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:data1\" content=\"The Tim\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:label2\" content=\"Est. reading time\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:data2\" content=\"2 minutes\" \/>\n<script type=\"application\/ld+json\" class=\"yoast-schema-graph\">{\"@context\":\"https:\/\/schema.org\",\"@graph\":[{\"@type\":\"WebPage\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/2011\/04\/15\/friday-flashback-why-second-guess-forbes-moodys\/\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/2011\/04\/15\/friday-flashback-why-second-guess-forbes-moodys\/\",\"name\":\"Friday Flashback: Why Second-Guess Forbes & Moody's? \u2022 Seattle Bubble\",\"isPartOf\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/#website\"},\"primaryImageOfPage\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/2011\/04\/15\/friday-flashback-why-second-guess-forbes-moodys\/#primaryimage\"},\"image\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/2011\/04\/15\/friday-flashback-why-second-guess-forbes-moodys\/#primaryimage\"},\"thumbnailUrl\":\"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/04\/economycom_seattle_forecast-Updated-2011-01.png\",\"datePublished\":\"2011-04-15T20:48:02+00:00\",\"dateModified\":\"2011-04-15T23:17:27+00:00\",\"author\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/#\/schema\/person\/7de7c0dd14bee1a2c67f7ce86bc4505f\"},\"breadcrumb\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/2011\/04\/15\/friday-flashback-why-second-guess-forbes-moodys\/#breadcrumb\"},\"inLanguage\":\"en-US\",\"potentialAction\":[{\"@type\":\"ReadAction\",\"target\":[\"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/2011\/04\/15\/friday-flashback-why-second-guess-forbes-moodys\/\"]}]},{\"@type\":\"ImageObject\",\"inLanguage\":\"en-US\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/2011\/04\/15\/friday-flashback-why-second-guess-forbes-moodys\/#primaryimage\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/04\/economycom_seattle_forecast-Updated-2011-01.png\",\"contentUrl\":\"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/04\/economycom_seattle_forecast-Updated-2011-01.png\",\"width\":\"912\",\"height\":\"662\"},{\"@type\":\"BreadcrumbList\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/2011\/04\/15\/friday-flashback-why-second-guess-forbes-moodys\/#breadcrumb\",\"itemListElement\":[{\"@type\":\"ListItem\",\"position\":1,\"name\":\"Home\",\"item\":\"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/\"},{\"@type\":\"ListItem\",\"position\":2,\"name\":\"Friday Flashback: Why Second-Guess Forbes &#038; Moody&#8217;s?\"}]},{\"@type\":\"WebSite\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/#website\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/\",\"name\":\"Seattle Bubble\",\"description\":\"local\u00a0real\u00a0estate\u00a0news, statistics,\u00a0and\u00a0commentary without\u00a0the\u00a0sales\u00a0spin.\",\"potentialAction\":[{\"@type\":\"SearchAction\",\"target\":{\"@type\":\"EntryPoint\",\"urlTemplate\":\"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/?s={search_term_string}\"},\"query-input\":{\"@type\":\"PropertyValueSpecification\",\"valueRequired\":true,\"valueName\":\"search_term_string\"}}],\"inLanguage\":\"en-US\"},{\"@type\":\"Person\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/#\/schema\/person\/7de7c0dd14bee1a2c67f7ce86bc4505f\",\"name\":\"The Tim\",\"image\":{\"@type\":\"ImageObject\",\"inLanguage\":\"en-US\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/#\/schema\/person\/image\/37756956c11dcc50d2559761ffa5ee70\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/19e5770990a1681615608091b2de571b10c3e03bbac7d07bb2ae15297ee72fbc?s=96&d=retro&r=g\",\"contentUrl\":\"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/19e5770990a1681615608091b2de571b10c3e03bbac7d07bb2ae15297ee72fbc?s=96&d=retro&r=g\",\"caption\":\"The Tim\"},\"description\":\"Tim Ellis is the founder of Seattle Bubble. His background in engineering and computer \/ internet technology, a fondness of data-based analysis of problems, and an addiction to spreadsheets all influence his perspective on the Seattle-area real estate market. Tim also hosts the weekly improv comedy sci-fi podcast Dispatches from the Multiverse.\",\"sameAs\":[\"http:\/\/SeattleBubble.com\/\",\"http:\/\/facebook.com\/is.totally.pointless\",\"https:\/\/x.com\/The_Tim\"],\"url\":\"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/author\/timothyellis\/\"}]}<\/script>\n<!-- \/ Yoast SEO plugin. -->","yoast_head_json":{"title":"Friday Flashback: Why Second-Guess Forbes & Moody's? \u2022 Seattle Bubble","robots":{"index":"index","follow":"follow","max-snippet":"max-snippet:-1","max-image-preview":"max-image-preview:large","max-video-preview":"max-video-preview:-1"},"canonical":"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/2011\/04\/15\/friday-flashback-why-second-guess-forbes-moodys\/","twitter_card":"summary_large_image","twitter_title":"Friday Flashback: Why Second-Guess Forbes & Moody's? \u2022 Seattle Bubble","twitter_description":"Today&#8217;s flashback comes from September 2006, when Forbes tackled the question: How Low Will Real Estate Go? Get used to it&mdash;the seller&#8217;s market is closing up shop. The days of fat, fast home value increases are gone. Pack away those flipping fantasies. &#8220;The boom is definitely over, there&#8217;s no debate about that,&#8221; said Mark Zandi,...","twitter_image":"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/04\/economycom_seattle_forecast-Updated-2011-01.png","twitter_creator":"@The_Tim","twitter_site":"@SeattleBubble","twitter_misc":{"Written by":"The Tim","Est. reading time":"2 minutes"},"schema":{"@context":"https:\/\/schema.org","@graph":[{"@type":"WebPage","@id":"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/2011\/04\/15\/friday-flashback-why-second-guess-forbes-moodys\/","url":"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/2011\/04\/15\/friday-flashback-why-second-guess-forbes-moodys\/","name":"Friday Flashback: Why Second-Guess Forbes & Moody's? \u2022 Seattle Bubble","isPartOf":{"@id":"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/#website"},"primaryImageOfPage":{"@id":"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/2011\/04\/15\/friday-flashback-why-second-guess-forbes-moodys\/#primaryimage"},"image":{"@id":"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/2011\/04\/15\/friday-flashback-why-second-guess-forbes-moodys\/#primaryimage"},"thumbnailUrl":"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/04\/economycom_seattle_forecast-Updated-2011-01.png","datePublished":"2011-04-15T20:48:02+00:00","dateModified":"2011-04-15T23:17:27+00:00","author":{"@id":"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/#\/schema\/person\/7de7c0dd14bee1a2c67f7ce86bc4505f"},"breadcrumb":{"@id":"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/2011\/04\/15\/friday-flashback-why-second-guess-forbes-moodys\/#breadcrumb"},"inLanguage":"en-US","potentialAction":[{"@type":"ReadAction","target":["https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/2011\/04\/15\/friday-flashback-why-second-guess-forbes-moodys\/"]}]},{"@type":"ImageObject","inLanguage":"en-US","@id":"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/2011\/04\/15\/friday-flashback-why-second-guess-forbes-moodys\/#primaryimage","url":"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/04\/economycom_seattle_forecast-Updated-2011-01.png","contentUrl":"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/04\/economycom_seattle_forecast-Updated-2011-01.png","width":"912","height":"662"},{"@type":"BreadcrumbList","@id":"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/2011\/04\/15\/friday-flashback-why-second-guess-forbes-moodys\/#breadcrumb","itemListElement":[{"@type":"ListItem","position":1,"name":"Home","item":"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/"},{"@type":"ListItem","position":2,"name":"Friday Flashback: Why Second-Guess Forbes &#038; Moody&#8217;s?"}]},{"@type":"WebSite","@id":"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/#website","url":"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/","name":"Seattle Bubble","description":"local\u00a0real\u00a0estate\u00a0news, statistics,\u00a0and\u00a0commentary without\u00a0the\u00a0sales\u00a0spin.","potentialAction":[{"@type":"SearchAction","target":{"@type":"EntryPoint","urlTemplate":"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/?s={search_term_string}"},"query-input":{"@type":"PropertyValueSpecification","valueRequired":true,"valueName":"search_term_string"}}],"inLanguage":"en-US"},{"@type":"Person","@id":"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/#\/schema\/person\/7de7c0dd14bee1a2c67f7ce86bc4505f","name":"The Tim","image":{"@type":"ImageObject","inLanguage":"en-US","@id":"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/#\/schema\/person\/image\/37756956c11dcc50d2559761ffa5ee70","url":"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/19e5770990a1681615608091b2de571b10c3e03bbac7d07bb2ae15297ee72fbc?s=96&d=retro&r=g","contentUrl":"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/19e5770990a1681615608091b2de571b10c3e03bbac7d07bb2ae15297ee72fbc?s=96&d=retro&r=g","caption":"The Tim"},"description":"Tim Ellis is the founder of Seattle Bubble. His background in engineering and computer \/ internet technology, a fondness of data-based analysis of problems, and an addiction to spreadsheets all influence his perspective on the Seattle-area real estate market. Tim also hosts the weekly improv comedy sci-fi podcast Dispatches from the Multiverse.","sameAs":["http:\/\/SeattleBubble.com\/","http:\/\/facebook.com\/is.totally.pointless","https:\/\/x.com\/The_Tim"],"url":"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/author\/timothyellis\/"}]}},"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/04\/economycom_seattle_forecast-Updated-2011-01.png","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p6wh0F-3Yr","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/15279","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=15279"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/15279\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/15288"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=15279"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=15279"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=15279"},{"taxonomy":"author","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/coauthors?post=15279"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}