{"id":4311,"date":"2009-02-16T06:00:55","date_gmt":"2009-02-16T14:00:55","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/?p=4311"},"modified":"2009-07-30T20:04:04","modified_gmt":"2009-07-31T03:04:04","slug":"bottom-calling-week-on-seattle-bubble","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/2009\/02\/16\/bottom-calling-week-on-seattle-bubble\/","title":{"rendered":"Bottom-Calling Week on Seattle Bubble"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>There&#8217;s been a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.raincityguide.com\/2009\/02\/07\/were-at-bottom\/\" title=\"Rain City Guide: We\u2019re at bottom\u2026\">lot<\/a> of <a href=\"http:\/\/www.raincityguide.com\/2009\/02\/09\/sunday-night-stats-at-bottom\/\" title=\"Rain City Guide: Sunday Night Stats - At Bottom\">talk<\/a> lately about <a href=\"http:\/\/seattlepi.nwsource.com\/local\/399422_housesales10.html\" title=\"Seattle P-I: Agent predicts housing slump's demise\">whether<\/a> or <a href=\"http:\/\/www.raincityguide.com\/2009\/02\/07\/is-it-possible-we-are-at-the-bottom\/\" title=\"Rain City Guide: Is it possible we are at the bottom?\">not<\/a> the Seattle-area real estate market is &#8220;at bottom.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Before I go any further, I should point out that as a practical matter, I think that it doesn&#8217;t really matter where the absolute bottom is.  As <a href=\"http:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/about\/\" title=\"About Seattle Bubble\">I have always said<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>If you find a home that you love, at a price that you\u2019re comfortable paying (i.e. &#8211; you wouldn\u2019t be upset if the price dropped another 10-20%), and you plan to live there for a long time, then go for it.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>During the real estate bubble, people were buying homes based primarily on the hope of future appreciation, which led to a mindset of &#8220;there&#8217;s no such thing as an overpriced house.&#8221;  If you&#8217;re buying a house <strong>you can afford<\/strong>, primarily as a place to live, and are paying <strong>a price you are happy with<\/strong>, who really cares whether or not we&#8217;re &#8220;at bottom&#8221;?  So the price drops another 25%, so what?  You were happy with the price you paid, right?<\/p>\n<p>However, I&#8217;m not ignorant.  I realize that the question of when we will hit bottom is one that interests many people.  That&#8217;s why I am making this week Bottom-Calling Week on Seattle Bubble.  In keeping with the statistics-focused nature of this site, we&#8217;ll be using a variety of statistical methods to attempt to forecast when the Seattle-area real estate market will hit bottom, and at what price point (expressed as a percentage drop from the peak).<\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s how the week will be structured:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><strong>Introduction: Bottom-Calling Week on Seattle Bubble<\/strong><\/li>\n<li>Method 0: <a href=\"http:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/2009\/02\/16\/bottom-calling-week-on-seattle-bubble\/#method0\" title=\"Blind Optimism\">Blind Optimism<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Method 1: <a href=\"http:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/2009\/02\/16\/bottom-calling-inventory-based-forecast\/\" title=\"Inventory-Based Forecast\">Inventory-Based Forecast<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Method 2: <a href=\"http:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/2009\/02\/17\/bottom-calling-dollars-per-square-foot-linear-forecast\/\" title=\"Dollars per Square Foot Linear Forecast\">Dollars per Square Foot Linear Forecast<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Method 3: <a href=\"http:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/2009\/02\/18\/bottom-calling-simple-mirror-forecast\/\" title=\"Simple Mirror Forecast\">Simple Mirror Forecast<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Method 4: <a href=\"http:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/2009\/02\/19\/bottom-calling-affordability-index-forecast\/\" title=\"Affordability Index Forecast\">Affordability Index Forecast<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Method 5: <a href=\"http:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/2009\/02\/20\/bottom-calling-san-diego-lag-forecast\/\" title=\"San Diego Lag Forecast\">San Diego Lag Forecast<\/a><\/li>\n<li>Conclusion: <a href=\"http:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/2009\/02\/20\/bottom-calling-so-wheres-the-bottom\/\" title=\"So Where's the Bottom?\">So Where&#8217;s the Bottom?<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Continue reading this post for Method 0: Blind Optimism.  Method 1: Inventory-Based Forecast will be posted at noon today.  The remaining methods will be posted each morning this week at 6:00, and the conclusion will go live at noon on Friday.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><a name=\"method0\"><\/a><\/p>\n<h2 style=\"font-size: 1.5em; margin-bottom: 10px;\">Bottom-Calling: Blind Optimism<\/h2>\n<p>Our first method of &#8220;analysis&#8221; has been deemed &#8220;Blind Optimism.&#8221;  As best I can tell, this is roughly equivalent to the method Ardell is using in <a href=\"http:\/\/www.raincityguide.com\/2009\/02\/09\/sunday-night-stats-at-bottom\/\" title=\"Rain City Guide: Sunday Night Stats - At Bottom\">her &#8220;at bottom&#8221; post<\/a>, where her reasoning seems to be something along the lines of &#8220;homes are selling at X price, so this must be the bottom.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Here are our basic assumptions for the Blind Optimism forecast.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>January 2009 was the lowest month for YOY negative home price changes.<\/li>\n<li>YOY home price appreciation will ramp back up to 0% at the same rate it declined from 0%.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Given these assumptions, here&#8217;s a rough picture of what Seattle&#8217;s Case-Shiller Home Price Index would look like through early 2010:<\/p>\n<p style=\"width: 600px; margin: 5px auto; font-size: 0.8em; text-align: center;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/02\/bottom-calling-method-0_blind-optimism.png\" title=\"Bottom-Calling Method 0: Blind Optimism\" rel=\"lightbox[4311]\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/02\/bottom-calling-method-0_blind-optimism-600x435.png\" style=\"border: 0; margin: 5px;\" title=\"Bottom-Calling Method 0: Blind Optimism - Click to enlarge\" alt=\"Bottom-Calling Method 0: Blind Optimism\" width=\"600\" height=\"435\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The Blind Optimism forecast method gives us a price floor in February 2009 at 16.9% off the July 2007 peak.  Home prices increase slightly leading into the summer, but retreat back almost to the bottom again by early 2010.<\/p>\n<p>Frankly, I see little to no reason from a statistical standpoint to believe that reality will even slightly resemble this forecast.  Year-over-year home price declines in Seattle are <em>accelerating<\/em> by all measures, as area job losses mount and nationwide economic pressures increase.  In my opinion, this forecast is the least likely to come true.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: bold; font-size: 1.2em;\">Method 0: Blind Optimism (Summary)<\/span><br \/>\n<b>Bottom Month:<\/b> February 2009<br \/>\n<b>Bottom Value:<\/b> 16.9% off peak<br \/>\n<b>Likelihood*:<\/b> 5%<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 85%;\">* Likelihood is a totally subjective value assigned according to The Tim&#8217;s gut feeling.  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