{"id":7548,"date":"2009-10-14T06:00:27","date_gmt":"2009-10-14T13:00:27","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/?p=7548"},"modified":"2010-01-18T10:46:06","modified_gmt":"2010-01-18T18:46:06","slug":"rent-vs-buy-comparisons-have-the-excesses-been-removed","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/2009\/10\/14\/rent-vs-buy-comparisons-have-the-excesses-been-removed\/","title":{"rendered":"Rent vs. Buy Comparisons: Have the excesses been removed?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Let&#8217;s try another rent vs. buy exercise to see if &#8220;all the excesses have already been removed&#8221; <a href=\"http:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/2009\/10\/11\/lawrence-yun-home-values-have-overshot-downward\/\" title=\"Lawrence Yun: &quot;Home values have overshot downward&quot;\">as some have claimed<\/a>.  Rather than delve into depth on a specific randomly-selected Seattle-area neighborhood, let&#8217;s instead look at what a specific type of house might cost you in multiple Seattle-area neighborhoods to rent vs. how much it would cost to buy.<\/p>\n<p><b>Methodology<\/b><br \/>\nThe prices quoted below are for a 3-bed, 2-bath single-family homes with 1,750 to 2,000 square feet.  For the rentals, these are based on actual houses I found currently on the rental market.  For the sales, I used sale records of actual prices that people have paid in the last three months.  Where possible, I have located multiple samples that match the description above and taken the average price.<\/p>\n<p>To calculate the monthly payment (principal + interest only), I&#8217;ll be using a 5.15% interest rate (roughly the average over the last three months), (generously) assuming 20% down on a 30-year mortgage.  Keep in mind that the true cost of buying also includes insurance, taxes, maintenance, and a host of other costs generally not paid by a renter.  For a more detailed breakdown of the total costs (and tax benefits) of buying, hit up <a href=\"http:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/2007\/09\/12\/homebuying-platitudes-vs-reality\/\" title=\"Homebuying Platitudes vs. Reality\">this 2007 post<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>I have also indicated the price to rent ratio, which is simply the home price divided by the total rent paid in a year.<\/p>\n<table class=\"sortable\">\n<tr>\n<th>Area<\/th>\n<th>For Rent<\/th>\n<th>P + I<\/th>\n<th>Home Price<\/th>\n<th>Ratio<\/th>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Ballard<\/td>\n<td>$1,595<\/td>\n<td>$2,070<\/td>\n<td>$473,661<\/td>\n<td>24.7<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Queen Anne<\/td>\n<td>$2,000<\/td>\n<td>$2,686<\/td>\n<td>$615,000<\/td>\n<td>25.6<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Shoreline<\/td>\n<td>$1,415<\/td>\n<td>$1,609<\/td>\n<td>$368,379<\/td>\n<td>21.7<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Kirkland*<\/td>\n<td>$1,511<\/td>\n<td>$2,040<\/td>\n<td>$466,916<\/td>\n<td>25.8<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Redmond<\/td>\n<td>$1,450<\/td>\n<td>$1,877<\/td>\n<td>$429,625<\/td>\n<td>24.7<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Renton<\/td>\n<td>$1,250<\/td>\n<td>$1,428<\/td>\n<td>$326,938<\/td>\n<td>21.8<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>West Seattle<\/td>\n<td>$1,650<\/td>\n<td>$2,271<\/td>\n<td>$520,000<\/td>\n<td>26.3<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n<p>According to <a href=\"http:\/\/money.cnn.com\/magazines\/fortune\/price_rent_ratios\/\" title=\"Fortune Magazine: Where housing is headed\">a table of data from Fortune Magazine<\/a>, Seattle&#8217;s price-to-rent ratio just before the local peak in prices was at 38.0, compared to a 15-year average of 23.3.  In our table above, the average price-to-rent ratio for a 3-bed, 2-bath home in a handful of Seattle-area neighborhoods comes out to 24.3.  Unfortunately, the two are not directly comparable since Forbes&#8217; calculation included houses, condos, and apartments all among the rentals (which would drive the rental prices lower and the long-term average price-to-rent ratio higher), while my data was drawn only from single-family homes.<\/p>\n<p>While home prices have come down some since I first researched <a href=\"http:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/2007\/09\/12\/homebuying-platitudes-vs-reality\/\" title=\"Homebuying Platitudes vs. Reality\">the rent vs. buy discussion in detail back in 2007<\/a>, a growing oversupply of repartmenting condos and accidental landlords is also pushing down rents recently, so the price-to-rent ratio hasn&#8217;t actually changed as much as one might expect.<\/p>\n<p>Overall, price-to-rent ratios in the low-to-mid 20s still seems a bit high.  Not crazy out of control bubble high, but it still looks like there is room for a bit more correction.  Especially when you consider that the current prices are being artificially propped up by unnaturally low interest rates and the $8,000 tax credit in the midst of nearly 10% unemployment and a local economic scene that has yet to show any clear signs of turning the corner.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 85%;\">* [Updated, <a href=\"http:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/2009\/10\/14\/rent-vs-buy-comparisons-have-the-excesses-been-removed\/#comment-84992\">see comment #71 below<\/a>.]<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Let&#8217;s try another rent vs. buy exercise to see if &#8220;all the excesses have already been removed&#8221; as some have claimed. Rather than delve into depth on a specific randomly-selected Seattle-area neighborhood, let&#8217;s instead look at what a specific type of house might cost you in multiple Seattle-area neighborhoods to rent vs. how much it&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[206,8,217],"tags":[452,1120,180,59],"coauthors":[],"class_list":["post-7548","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-features","category-stats","category-neighborhoods","tag-buy-vs-rent","tag-neighborhoods","tag-price-to-rent","tag-rent"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v26.2 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Rent vs. Buy Comparisons: Have the excesses been removed? \u2022 Seattle Bubble<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/seattlebubble.com\/blog\/2009\/10\/14\/rent-vs-buy-comparisons-have-the-excesses-been-removed\/\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:card\" content=\"summary_large_image\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:title\" content=\"Rent vs. Buy Comparisons: Have the excesses been removed? \u2022 Seattle Bubble\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:description\" content=\"Let&#8217;s try another rent vs. buy exercise to see if &#8220;all the excesses have already been removed&#8221; as some have claimed. 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