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Seattle Bubble Forum Archive • View topic - Boeing faces cancelled aircraft orders
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Boeing faces cancelled aircraft orders

PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 4:31 pm
by sniglet

Re: Boeing faces cancelled aircraft orders

PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:56 am
by Robroy

Re: Boeing faces cancelled aircraft orders

PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:02 pm
by Robroy
I was wondering how the "real" this risk is, and then read this gem:

"...they acknowledge that they are in almost daily talks with airlines seeking to cancel or defer deliveries. Although most of these discussions involve U.S. carriers, signs of stress have emerged from India to Europe."

Re: Boeing faces cancelled aircraft orders

PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 4:50 pm
by WestSideBilly
Boeing and EADS both have backlogs in the range of 6 years. If 1/3 of them cancel, that puts their backlogs at about 4 years of 100% production. In 2012, Boeing will have the 787, 747-8, and hopefully a new tanker in production. EADS will have the A350XWB and A400M (and possibly a bunch of tankers getting shipped to Alabama).

Whatever airlines are still in business then will still need new planes, especially the efficient 787 and A350XWB, to replace their aging gas hogs.

Yes, this is very real, but it's not as grave as it may seem. There are still companies that have a lot of capital who will fill in some of the slack - ILFC, Dubai/Emirates, etc. Granted, if things don't pick up by 2011 or so, Boeing and EADS will be staring at a lot of empty manufacturing slots in 2013 and on. This is nothing new; airplanes have always been cyclical.

Re: Boeing faces cancelled aircraft orders

PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:42 pm
by TJ_98370
I'm going long on my shares of BA. Go Boeing!!!. :D

Re: Boeing faces cancelled aircraft orders

PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 2:08 pm
by sniglet

Re: Boeing faces cancelled aircraft orders

PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 10:26 am
by Robroy
I think the post election riots in November may have an impact on this.

Re: Boeing faces cancelled aircraft orders

PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 11:41 am
by WestSideBilly
They may all be on strike then, anyway.

Re: Boeing faces cancelled aircraft orders

PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:01 pm
by sniglet
Any last hopes people have for Boeing continuing to hold up the local economy are quickly being dashed. Financing for aircraft is going up in smoke, and it now looks like a lot of NEW planes will be going directly to rot in the desert.

So much for all that growing demand for air travel in emerging markets...


Re: Boeing faces cancelled aircraft orders

PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:18 pm
by perfectfire
Weren't people saying just a few months ago that gas prices + decoupling would result in strong airplane exports? Wrong and wrong.

Re: Boeing faces cancelled aircraft orders

PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 1:49 pm
by SeattleMoose
More kerosene.....



Could turn out to be more grim if "deferrals" turn into outright cancellations....

Re: Boeing faces cancelled aircraft orders

PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:40 am
by perfectfire

Re: Boeing faces cancelled aircraft orders

PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:27 am
by The Tim

Re: Boeing faces cancelled aircraft orders

PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:50 am
by SeattleMoose
Let's hope that the two cycles (commerical and defense) don't superimpose on top of each other creating a double sinusoidal "low" point.

Global recession/depression = huge falloff in air travel
Endless bailouts and declining tax revenue = more pressure to cut defense spending

This could get ugly....

Wasn't it just last year that our local economy was still "special"?

"WILL CODE FOR FODD"

Re: Boeing faces cancelled aircraft orders

PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2009 12:27 pm
by The Tim