Stock Market Again

edited April 2008 in The Economy
Another multiple-hundred-point up day on the DJIA, with no real subsequent follow through. No short covering rally. I'm still not buying this as a rally. We're still in a range which goes back to the Jan low and the late Jan high. Volume for the past month has also declined which is not a good sign for a rally (although the massive up days have been on higher volume).

There might be a little more upside on the bounce that started yesterday, but I don't think its going to push past the Apr 7 1386.74 ($SPX) and definitely not past 1400. I think the charts are going to wind up looking like an intermediate-term double-top formed with the Apr 7 peak and another peak in the next couple of days, followed by a downwards slide which should violate the March intra-day lows. I know there's another interpretation of the current chart which is a larger inverted head-and-shoulders pattern, and that "the bottom is in", but I'm just not buying that one.

Even with the good news yesterday from IBM and Ebay, it was mostly on exchange rate conversion. Which means they've pulled in a larger number of less valuable $USD. What we're not really seeing is a recovery in exports driven by a lower dollar and thereby propping up US manufacturing as evidenced by the Philly Fed manufacturing index declining today. Unemployment claims are also generally inching forwards towards the 400,000 mark (with a lot of week-to-week variability, but the trend is still clearly up).

The financial markets disaster may have been averted, but it still looks like we're just really starting into the meat of a broader-economy recession.

Comments

  • I don't really see how we would get a recover based on exports. last year we imported some $700 billion more than we exported right? If our GDP is around $14 trillion, that means nearly 5% of our total GDP goes out the door as imports each year.

    I just think that a weakening dollar can't reverse that trend fast enough to save the economy. Even if the rest of the world wasn't coming off the same binge we are, would a plunging dollar cause them to suddenly start importing a huge amount of US goods? Additionally, a huge portion of imports/exports are durable goods. It takes years to build or dismantle manufacturing. Even if the dollar lost 80% of its value tomorrow and you could promise every executive in the world that it would stay that way for at least 20 years, it would still take years to reverse the trade imbalance.
  • Agreed on all of that.

    Looks like GOOG is going to give the markets a pop tomorrow AM. It'll be interesting to see what happens with volatility, it has broken down much lower than I had expected (which may be a signal that I'm wrong).

    I'm not sure what else is on the economic calander that might be released tomorow AM before the open and blunt the GOOG pop tomorrow (or going the other way, reinforce and ignite a further rally)...

    I'm still not seeing real strength in fundamentals or technically, though... Maybe tomorrow GOOG will make me a believer, but I doubt it...
  • Well Google is making a lot of money! But how? Tim, did Google cut your eCPM? Probably, soon they get free advertising on your site and you don't get squat. If it's me, I am taking my balls and go home. I'll find local vendors to advertising exclusively. I would like to see the next few ComScore data and short the hell out of Google (via QQQQ). Your thought?
  • The Market Tickerhad an interesting take on this today:
    Let's dissect Google for a second - note that I have Google's "Adsense" on this blog, and its also on my forum.

    Last fall I noted that the "eCPM" that I was earning dropped precipitously (by 30%!) just before earnings were released. They then "blew out estimates" and the stock soared.

    A few months later Comscore started bleating about bad numbers and they stuttered, then tanked.

    Well, guess what? The last week of March it happened again. The eCPM dropped here once more, this time by about 40%. And once again Google reports a "blow out" quarter.

    But is there any transparency in how they're hitting those numbers? Oh hell no. What do I see here? A nine-month pattern that has repeated twice, where the company has "hit the numbers" by, as far as I can tell, by simply changing how much it pays the people who display their ads, pocketing far more than they used to.

    Now this is very profitable for them up to now, but here's the problem - my eCPM is down some 70% in the last six months. I am now getting a small enough return from being a Google "Adwords" placement target that I may drop it entirely, as there's not much point given what they're giving me, and I have little reason to let these folks effectively have placement on my sites for free!

    And if I and lots of other display ad places do exactly that, how much is their "placement" worth to an advertiser? As people like me leave their ability to sell that space plummets.

    A bit of careful analysis would disclose that when you go from 50 cents eCPM to fourteen over the space of nine months (and no, the click rate hasn't materially changed) that there's not much more room for that game to be run, is there?

    What happens when the game ends?
  • AwaySooner wrote:
    Well Google is making a lot of money! But how? Tim, did Google cut your eCPM? Probably, soon they get free advertising on your site and you don't get squat. If it's me, I am taking my balls and go home. I'll find local vendors to advertising exclusively.
    Don't think I'm not working on doing exactly that. There is always more money in it if you can cut out the middle-man, which in this case is Google.
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