Divorce sale

edited August 2008 in Seattle Real Estate
As the economy goes into the shitter, I think the monetary strain might be too much to take for some relationships...thereby increasing divorce rates. We all know what happens in divorce...sales of homes and assets.

Although this might be a scummy way to find some deals, does anyone know if divorce filings are posted publicly? (Along with primary address of the couple?)

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  • I was saying last year that as the economy sours, we should expect a social toll - more divorce, domestic violence, murder and general crime.

    Then another guy amplified and brought up the idea of things like riots. I'm thinking especially after the election, no matter who wins.

    After all, they* trash downtown whether their basketball team wins OR loses in the playoffs.

    *American sports fans
  • From http://www.metrokc.gov/kcscc/copies.htm#online
    King County Superior Court Records filed after November 1, 2004, are now available online for purchase and viewing. Currently we offer Criminal, Civil and Probate cases. You CANNOT view Domestic (divorce) cases via the internet. The fee is $.10 per page and an account is required. To set up an account please follow the ECR ONLINE link at https://dja-ecreweb.metrokc.gov/ECROnline. Certified copies are not available online at this time. To obtain a certified copy of your documents please follow instructions for obtaining copies via in person or through the mail.

    Which means you can go downtown and view the files in person.
  • Top two reasons why people default on their mortgage:

    divorce and failure of a business.

    Divorce....up......foreclosures......up?

    It would be interesting to see if we could compare statistics from other recession points.

    No-fault divorces started on Jan 1, 1970 in Cali and then others state followed. Most states had no-fault divorces by the mid 1980s.
  • In shopping for houses for many months now, it's been a game my wife and I play... spot the divorce sale!

    Some clues:
    - two bedrooms where clothes were split by gender and both looking lived in
    - a house that shows frilly details but taken over by a male... for example we saw a very nicely decorated house where the dining room set had been shoved aside for a whole workout station
    - a house with lots of stuff missing (but not staged)... like someone left in a rush

    Frankly, agents have been very upfront with divorce as the reason for the sale.
  • Rudeboy,

    All good points...although I am trying to figure out a way to target homes that are divorce sales, rather than just tour and come upon one.

    I am not looking to buy right now, just working on a game plan.
  • jillayne wrote:
    Top two reasons why people default on their mortgage:

    divorce and failure of a business.

    I guess it depends on how you look at it. I would say the top reason people default on their mortgage is because they are unable to sell it for a price equal to or greater than what is owed on the mortgage.

    Sure, business failure and divorce might be the top reasons people are forced to sell, but they aren't the reasons for foreclosure. If you have plenty of equity when you absolutely have to sell your home due to a divorce, then there is no problem at all.

    Maybe the best way to look at it is this: there are two factors that lead to forclosure 1) an inability to keep making payments and 2) a lack of equity.
  • edited August 2008
    There was an article in one of the blogs I frequent that said as the ecomony goes into the crapper, divorce rates will actually drop.

    Reasons being, there used to be a time when couples would fight for who would keep the house. But these days, couples are trying to get out of houses because they owe more than the house is worth.

    Many people are underwater on the mortgages, many people are not financially able to move out of the homes after a divorce until the current home is sold.

    In this article they referenced divorce rates during the Great Depression and saw that divorce rates did not actually go up, but went down, most likely for similar reasons as today.

    I'm sure I did a hatchet job on the piece, if anybody remembers what I'm talking about please post the link to the article.

    **edit
    found it...here is the article


    "Unable to sell homes, split-up spouses stay put, postpone divorce"


    http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20080810-9999-1n10divorce.html
  • That is exactly my point. My friend is getting divorced and he is forced to sell his house and will take less than it is worth just to get it done.

    I don't want his place, but want to locate a similar situation!
  • There was an article in one of the blogs I frequent that said as the ecomony goes into the crapper, divorce rates will actually drop.

    Reasons being, there used to be a time when couples would fight for who would keep the house. But these days, couples are trying to get out of houses because they owe more than the house is worth.

    Many people are underwater on the mortgages, many people are not financially able to move out of the homes after a divorce until the current home is sold.

    In this article they referenced divorce rates during the Great Depression and saw that divorce rates did not actually go up, but went down, most likely for similar reasons as today.

    I'm sure I did a hatchet job on the piece, if anybody remembers what I'm talking about please post the link to the article.

    **edit
    found it...here is the article


    "Unable to sell homes, split-up spouses stay put, postpone divorce"


    http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20080810-9999-1n10divorce.html
    I need to read this article, but just a bit of anecdotal evidence: with my divorce 11 years ago, "she got the house", just like in all the country songs...

    But I may need to revise my opinion. It may just be domestic violence that will probably increase, as opposed to actual divorce.
  • Looked at a house last night. Been on the market8 months, but they are still living there. I was trying to figure out why they were selling, given that they had that sort of flexibility to just continue living in the house. A new job or a move, they wouldn't likely still be living there. It wasn't a house you'd likely be moving up from - it was a house most would be comfortable living in for 20 years, and they had added 1000 sq ft a couple years ago.

    They had a little cottage in the back, and when we went through it, I think I found my answer. It looked suspiciously like daddy was staying back there.

    It made me kinda sad.
  • biliruben wrote:
    Looked at a house last night. Been on the market8 months, but they are still living there. I was trying to figure out why they were selling, given that they had that sort of flexibility to just continue living in the house. A new job or a move, they wouldn't likely still be living there. It wasn't a house you'd likely be moving up from - it was a house most would be comfortable living in for 20 years, and they had added 1000 sq ft a couple years ago.

    They had a little cottage in the back, and when we went through it, I think I found my answer. It looked suspiciously like daddy was staying back there.

    It made me kinda sad.
    I think I hate divorce more than I hate radical Islam.
  • There was an article in one of the blogs I frequent that said as the ecomony goes into the crapper, divorce rates will actually drop.

    Reasons being, there used to be a time when couples would fight for who would keep the house. But these days, couples are trying to get out of houses because they owe more than the house is worth.

    Many people are underwater on the mortgages, many people are not financially able to move out of the homes after a divorce until the current home is sold.

    In this article they referenced divorce rates during the Great Depression and saw that divorce rates did not actually go up, but went down, most likely for similar reasons as today.

    I'm sure I did a hatchet job on the piece, if anybody remembers what I'm talking about please post the link to the article.

    **edit
    found it...here is the article


    "Unable to sell homes, split-up spouses stay put, postpone divorce"


    http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20080810-9999-1n10divorce.html

    From the article: "I want to move on. I know she wants to move on. But you really can't if you're tied down by the home itself."

    This applies to more than just divorce. As someone who owned his own home for ~20 years, I now absolutely love the freedom of renting. I don't know that I will ever go back.
  • Robroy wrote:
    I think I hate divorce more than I hate radical Islam.

    Uh...divorce is sad, no doubt. Moreso if children are involved. But there are lots of worst things in our world, and any religious beliefs which encourage wholesale randomized murder are definitely on the list.
  • Robroy wrote:
    I think I hate divorce more than I hate radical Islam.

    Uh...divorce is sad, no doubt. Moreso if children are involved. But there are lots of worst things in our world, and any religious beliefs which encourage wholesale randomized murder are definitely on the list.
    Well, I did say, "I think". Also, from a Christian perspective, I firmly believe there are much worse things you can do to a person than kill them. In fact, in a real sense, if you kill a Christian you are, in a twisted way, doing him a favor.

    Philippians 1:21
    For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain.
  • Robroy wrote:
    Well, I did say, "I think". Also, from a Christian perspective, I firmly believe there are much worse things you can do to a person than kill them. In fact, in a real sense, if you kill a Christian you are, in a twisted way, doing him a favor.

    Philippians 1:21
    For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain.

    Our society is thankfully not premised on such beliefs. Taken to their logical conclusion, the absolute worst thing a person can do is corrupt your faith. If society operated on this belief, we would use the death penalty on Richard Dawkins and Daniel Dennett, while letting catholic priests go mostly unpunished since overall they are doing god's work. Compared to that, I much prefer free speech.

    While it sucks as a model for society, it is an excellent meme to build into a religion. This is a feature of memes, that they select ideas that perpetuate well. That's why you see the same idea perpetuated in most religions that followed Christianity (Islam, Mormonism, ...) but lacking in most that preceded it (Judaism, Greco-Roman mythology, any of the eastern mysticisms).

    Either divorce or a murdered parent will exact a toll on the child. I suspect the trama caused by the murder far exceeds that of divorce. You are only unsure which is worst because you are fortunate enough to live in a place where divorce is common and suicide bombings rare. I'm sure if you lived in Iraq you'd hold a different opinion.
  • Robroy wrote:
    Well, I did say, "I think". Also, from a Christian perspective, I firmly believe there are much worse things you can do to a person than kill them. In fact, in a real sense, if you kill a Christian you are, in a twisted way, doing him a favor.

    Philippians 1:21
    For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain.

    Our society is thankfully not premised on such beliefs. Taken to their logical conclusion, the absolute worst thing a person can do is corrupt your faith. If society operated on this belief, we would use the death penalty on Richard Dawkins and Daniel Dennett, while letting catholic priests go mostly unpunished since overall they are doing god's work.
    No, not really. Although any kind of thinking can be corrupted to justify pretty much any kind of action, if one is so inclined to rationalize.
    Either divorce or a murdered parent will exact a toll on the child. I suspect the trama caused by the murder far exceeds that of divorce. You are only unsure which is worst because you are fortunate enough to live in a place where divorce is common and suicide bombings rare. I'm sure if you lived in Iraq you'd hold a different opinion.
    Divorce is betrayal by someone who your human sensibilities tell you is supposed to love you. Murder is not - unless it is your own. But then, you are not left behind to be tramatized by it.

    The belief in Philippians 1:21 is a part of the mindset that allowed men to participate in Pickett's Charge.
  • Robroy wrote:
    No, not really. Although any kind of thinking can be corrupted to justify pretty much any kind of action, if one is so inclined to rationalize.

    Perhaps I elaborated too far with the example without explaining the why. If you believe in an eternity with a heaven and hell, then the most important thing you can do in life is make sure you and your loved go to heaven. If you accept that, then anyone who prevents you or those you know from making it to heaven is committing the worst crime in the world. Better that they murder your child than that they indoctrinate your child with a philosophy which causes them to forgo heaven.

    This is a belief system many people hold, and it's what you have espoused. You're right, this is both Christian and Muslim doctrine. It is intellectually and morally bankrupt to believe in an afterlife with contingent destinations and not believe that heresy is the worst possible crime.

    The logical conclusion is that, for those who believe their scriptures, a world with free speech is more dangerous than one with lots of random murders. It just so happens that most Americans do not really believe heresy is worst than murder, which is why heresy is protected by the constitution and murder is a capital offense.

    Most people just don't examine their religious beliefs in depth, and that's why they are able to hold two clearly contradictory ideas at once. The brain is an amazing thing!
  • Robroy wrote:
    No, not really. Although any kind of thinking can be corrupted to justify pretty much any kind of action, if one is so inclined to rationalize.

    Perhaps I elaborated too far with the example without explaining the why. If you believe in an eternity with a heaven and hell, then the most important thing you can do in life is make sure you and your loved go to heaven. If you accept that, then anyone who prevents you or those you know from making it to heaven is committing the worst crime in the world. Better that they murder your child than that they indoctrinate your child with a philosophy which causes them to forgo heaven.
    On the surface that makes sense. And if your hypothetical religion were that simple it would also make sense.

    But if the religion is specifically Christianity, your religion believes that the only one that can keep you from heaven is YOU. You are not afraid of someone else keeping your child out of heaven any more than you have confidence that someone can bring your child into heaven. Further, you would be demonstrating, by murdering the person you "feared" was indoctrinating your child, that you yourself are apparently not going to heaven, if doing it for that reason. It would prove you do not know Jesus.

    The absense of faith is fear. The absense of fear is faith.
    This is a belief system many people hold, and it's what you have espoused.
    Again, no. Only at an APPARENT surface level. Scratch the surface and it is not at all Christianity.
    You're right, this is both Christian and Muslim doctrine.
    No it isn't. But it IS Muslim doctrine. The Bible is very, VERY clear about this:
    Luke 12: 4,5
    "I tell you, my friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more. But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him."

    These are the words of Jesus - God in the flesh. A Christian has nothing whatsoever to fear from mere human beings, regarding anything after this life. That includes the indoctrination of your own children. Muslims on the other hand, have a great deal to fear.
    It is intellectually and morally bankrupt to believe in an afterlife with contingent destinations and not believe that heresy is the worst possible crime.
    Depends on what you mean by contingent. Grace means that the only contingency for this in Christianity is to accept the free gift. And it has nothing to do with anyone except the individual. It is between him and God.

    Since Christianity's foundation is in the personal relationship between me and God, the concept of Heresy is irrelevant to me, other than to cause my lack of respect for the speaker. Here is the WORST thing the Bible tells Christians to do to "unbelievers":

    Luke 9:5
    "If people do not welcome you, shake the dust off your feet when you leave their town, as a testimony against them."

    And here it is in action:

    Luke 10:11
    'Even the dust of your town that sticks to our feet we wipe off against you. Yet be sure of this: The kingdom of God is near.'

    Acts 13:51
    So they shook the dust from their feet in protest against them and went to Iconium.
    The logical conclusion is that, for those who believe their scriptures, a world with free speech is more dangerous than one with lots of random murders.
    With all due respect, your comments lead me to believe that you are ignorant of the meat of the Christian scriptures.
    Most people just don't examine their religious beliefs in depth, and that's why they are able to hold two clearly contradictory ideas at once. The brain is an amazing thing!
    With that I strongly agree, although I would say "many" as opposed to "most". Muslims and KKK members come to mind.
  • edited August 2008
    I moved my response out of this thread, and just sent it to Robroy. Suffice it to say I strongly disagree with his exegesis. If anyone ones to know why, go ahead and ask, but I won't be holding my breath, since I doubt anyone else on this forum really cares.
  • First, I apologize for hijacking this thread. I should just stop responding when Robroy injects religion, but I can't seem to help myself.
    Regarding my injecting religion: Everything I do involves my perception of the action and events from a Christian perspective.

    Everything.

    It is one reason I "meditated" on the moral risk of walking away so much. The legal part is extremely easy to discern and quite black and white.

    Edit: I also deleted the remainder of my response. We did sort of hijack this thing.

    Sorry folks.
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