Murray and Cantwell Are AGAINST the Bailout!

edited October 2008 in The Economy
I was poking around their websites looking for some indication on how they will vote and I found news releases on both sites indicating that they are against the bailout!

Here's a snippet from Cantwell's statement:
Any financial recovery package that Congress enacts must put transparency and tough rules in place to make sure consumers are protected,"said Cantwell. "While the financial markets need emergency surgery today their long-term health is dependent on prevention. We need to establish a robust regulatory regime capable of overseeing today's complex global marketplace. We also need to determine what went wrong, hold bad actors accountable and apply the lessons learned to prevent future financial market meltdowns.

And here's a snippet from Murray's statement:
"Our first priority must be to keep the tidal wave of this crisis from flooding the lives of innocent Americans.

"Any plan must include real oversight by Congress – we can't just sign a blank check over to a Treasury Secretary without conditions and we won't stand for golden parachutes for the bad actors whose misdeeds led us here today.

"The American people are angry about this situation. And so am I. We need to quickly contain the serious financial situation we face today and help struggling American families, but we need to do it in a responsible way. And it is time to begin work on reforms to ensure Americans are never again left holding the bag for Wall Street's mistakes."

Call them up and voice your support! Tell them they need to stand by their statements!

Comments

  • Sounds like rhetoric to me. I asked them to vote no on the bailout, but I expect them to support it. Plus now it's a "rescue" package and has 50% support of voters, after Wall Streeters successfully scared them.
  • Markor wrote:
    Sounds like rhetoric to me. I asked them to vote no on the bailout, but I expect them to support it. Plus now it's a "rescue" package and has 50% support of voters, after Wall Streeters successfully scared them.

    I wrote two great letters to both in support of the bailout. Really weeping small business owner type letter.

    Got 6 employees to write them as well, should be interesting.
  • Would you be surprised if the bailout did little or nothing to ease your business situation? Every crisis like this in history I look at, throwing money at the banks did not cause them to be much looser in lending. I think they'll just celebrate and then stash the money; after all, there's no requirement attached to the bailout that they loosen lending, and doing so is what got them into the mess they're in. I think most small businesses will ultimately be significantly hurt by this bailout.
  • Hurt, or unaffected? I'd lean towards the second. I would be shocked, and will admit I'm completely wrong if this bailout does much of anything except take bad loans off bank books and put them on taxpayer's books.

    I would, as I've stated before, support a short-term program of the government loaning directly to established small businesses like yours, but that's a completely different matter than this bailout.
  • I am definitely not looking for this to stop the bleeding of this whole debacle. I agree that most banks will stash the money and not loosen their standards on lending for a long time. Which they should not do. Lending will however will resume flowing to consistent clients who have time and time again over a dozen years showed to the bank responsibility to repay. In my situation with corporate credit score and personal credit score it will have no negative effect on credit available to me for business and expansion.

    What would stimulate in my opinion the job growth in this economy is the reduction on corporations for payroll taxes, LNI, and various gimmicky taxes that are placed on businesses. I have to pay $132 on top of every $1000 that I payroll out to employees. If that money was going to the employee or even to me instead of federal system, it seems that would be a great stimulus for the economy, and would actually allow for more hiring.
  • Cantwell gave a speech and voiced her opposition to the bill. She's bright enough to realize the bill will not help lending and in fact will make it things much worse. The one good thing that comes from this bailout bill if it passes is it will drive housing prices much much lower than they would've gone. If I can just keep my job during the depression that follows I'll be able to buy a mansion.
  • The Senate bill piled on a bunch of extras to buy votes in Congress. Unfortunately it'll probably work. Kudos to our Senators for focusing on the core issue and not the gimmicks added on top (which belong in other bills).
  • Hurt, or unaffected? I'd lean towards the second. I would be shocked, and will admit I'm completely wrong if this bailout does much of anything except take bad loans off bank books and put them on taxpayer's books.
    That's how it will hurt them. Higher taxes for everyone = less consumer spending. If taxes don't increase there will be less gov't services, requiring consumers to endure that somehow, with similar results.
  • The one good thing that comes from this bailout bill if it passes is it will drive housing prices much much lower than they would've gone. If I can just keep my job during the depression that follows I'll be able to buy a mansion.
    That's the silver lining for me too, and also my concern. Except no mansion for me, just a paid-off renovated house.
  • I've been out all day; just getting home. Is this true? I can't believe it!

    MAYBE THE BILL WILL FAIL THE SENATE!!!

    What time does the voting begin?

    Thanks guys.
  • CR says the voting is going on right now. Here's the CSpan link:

    http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN2_wm.aspx
  • Markor wrote:
    Except no mansion for me, just a paid-off renovated house.

    I never said I would buy a mansion. I just said I would be able to. :wink:
  • MSNBC says "Senate leaders of both parties predicted easy passage of a mammoth bill to rescue the financial services industry when it comes to a vote Wednesday night..."

    BREAKING NEWS: Senate approves revised bailout package
  • Cantwell voted NO
    Murray voted YES
  • Cantwell voted no true to her word even though Lieberman voted aye (her statement was a joint statement with Lieberman). Murray voted aye. I will do everything in my power to get her out of the Senate.
  • The ayes kept harping on unemployment yet they are the ones that will be unemployed when angry voters kick them out of office.
  • What angry voters? 50% of voters support the bailout after the manufactured Wall Street plunge succeeded in scaring them.
  • mukoh wrote:
    What would stimulate in my opinion the job growth in this economy is the reduction on corporations for payroll taxes, LNI, and various gimmicky taxes that are placed on businesses. I have to pay $132 on top of every $1000 that I payroll out to employees. If that money was going to the employee or even to me instead of federal system, it seems that would be a great stimulus for the economy, and would actually allow for more hiring.

    I don't know. You can't just get rid of tax revenue; we use that to pay for services. All you can do is shift it. If we cut business taxes, then we either add taxes on individuals, property, or transactions. It's really as simple as that. So, you cut business taxes and move them to people. That might stimulate job growth, but it won't stimulate consumer spending.

    Besides, does anyone really believe that the #1 problem with our economy is job growth? Yeah, we've seen unemployment rise, but it's only hovering around 6%. By any historical standard not based on 1994-present, 6% is ridiculously low unemployment.
  • Markor wrote:
    What angry voters? 50% of voters support the bailout after the manufactured Wall Street plunge succeeded in scaring them.

    Yeah after the vote failed and pushed them into action. When the no's were motivated and thought they were losing they originated more than 99% of the calls/messages to their reps. After the vote when the ayes were motivated to contact their rep they could only manage to match the volume of calls of the no's who had little reason to call since they had already won. Many Senators made speeches to the effect that their constituents were angry and overwhelmingly against the bailout but they had to make the heroic choice to vote for it.
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