Hiring Freeze at Microsoft?

edited November 2008 in Seattle Real Estate
Rumors/news reports of a hiring freeze/slowdown at Microsoft, are showing up. Check out http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=& ... ing+freeze

It will be an interesting next 12 months, for the local RE market.

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  • EastSider wrote:
    Rumors/news reports of a hiring freeze/slowdown at Microsoft, are showing up. Check out http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=& ... ing+freeze

    It will be an interesting next 12 months, for the local RE market.
    I am sure all that is going on will trigger down to Boeing and their planes eventually.

    This crash might be worse than I had imagined.
  • Microsoft is entering a period of decline. Their new OS is crap as are their forays into "new markets" (e.g. Zune). They are cutting edge in almost nothing and that legacy is now starting to take them down. But hey, I am waiting for their bailout just like the one given to GM (I believe it was 25 billion or so).

    "This crash might be worse than I had imagined."

    It will, as predicted on this board over 2 years ago...
  • Microsoft is entering a period of decline. Their new OS is crap as are their forays into "new markets" (e.g. Zune). They are cutting edge in almost nothing and that legacy is now starting to take them down. But hey, I am waiting for their bailout just like the one given to GM (I believe it was 25 billion or so).

    "This crash might be worse than I had imagined."

    It will, as predicted on this board over 2 years ago...

    MSFT is one company I doubt will receive a bailout. They simply have too much cash on hand to justify it. If MSFT receives a bailout, so should Warren Buffett.
  • I argued with a friend just a few months ago about MS. He claimed the stock had to go up because it had been at 36 not long ago. Pretty solid argument, yes, but I contended that our stock would go down because MS wasn't immune from the effects of the broader economy. During a recession fewer people will buy new computers and companies will spend less on IT. His counter was that China would save us. I said the Shainghai composite has fallen over 50% from it's peak and don't they depend on us to buy their exports?

    Since then I've heard twice from different high level execs that we are not immune from what is affecting the economy. And now we have hiring slowdowns.

    I'm sure we'll fare better than other companies that don't have so much cash and companies whose recent success is largely due to iFads driven by consumer debt binges. However, immune we are not.

    I bet MS eventually stops hiring, starts shedding vendors and contractors, slows wage increases, and cuts back on some benefits. I hope that's all that happens. I really feel like if I can just keep my job I'll come out of this recession/depression much better off.
  • I contended that our stock would go down because MS wasn't immune from the effects of the broader economy. During a recession fewer people will buy new computers and companies will spend less on IT.

    I'm sure we'll fare better than other companies that don't have so much cash and companies whose recent success is largely due to iFads driven by consumer debt binges. However, immune we are not.

    I bet MS eventually stops hiring, starts shedding vendors and contractors, slows wage increases, and cuts back on some benefits. I hope that's all that happens. I really feel like if I can just keep my job I'll come out of this recession/depression much better off.

    I completely agree. Its not that Microsoft is a "bad" company with lousy products. Rather, Microsoft will experience a signficiant decline because it will be impacted by the global depression, just like everyone else. PC/server sales are going to slow down dramatically, and Microsoft's revenue is tightly coupled with the sale of new hardware.

    I will go further, though, and predict that not only will Microsoft institute hiring freezes, but that by the end of 2009 there will be significant lay-offs. There is simply no way that Microsoft's managers will be able to avoid making significant cost cuts if revenue actually contracts. Shareholders will crucify any executive who maintaines high spending levels even as income declines, and Microsoft's managers are no dummies.

    So just what will happen to Puget Sound house prices when Microsoft starts laying off thousands of staff?
  • I'm unconvinced MSFT will have lay offs, unless this recession becomes extremely protracted. They still have a lot of cash on hand, and if you can keep functioning at a full level while other companies are scrambling, it can be an opportunity to get ahead.

    Rather than lay-offs, MSFT might decide to use this to gain back the market-share, which they've been losing lately.
  • I'm unconvinced MSFT will have lay offs, unless this recession becomes extremely protracted. They still have a lot of cash on hand, and if you can keep functioning at a full level while other companies are scrambling, it can be an opportunity to get ahead.

    Rather than lay-offs, MSFT might decide to use this to gain back the market-share, which they've been losing lately.

    No. Microsoft managers will be under INTENSE pressure from shareholders to cut expenses if revenue declines (which it will due to the massive global economic contraction just ahead). Remember that Microsoft really only has a handful of truly profitable businesses. Much of its investment in recent years has been going into divisions that just bleed red. I wouldn't want to be an employee working in one of those groups next year.
  • sniglet wrote:
    Much of its investment in recent years has been going into divisions that just bleed red. I wouldn't want to be an employee working in one of those groups next year.

    So you're thinking the XBox division will be shut down? Or maybe Zune?
  • Instead of laying people off MS may just stop hiring contractors and vendors. That way they can cut costs while maintaining their record of never having to lay anyone off. I heard somewhere that is one of the reasons they employ so many contractors and vendors.
  • That sounds like the best guess to me. So, about the Bellevue office space...
  • I was under the impression the XBox division was quite profitable?


    Zune I can see going.
  • Former MS contractors might find work on the JPMorganChase-WaMu merger. Lately, Boeing has sucked up a lot of contractors for the 787 project.
  • Wonder if there are any updates on this?
  • MSFT will simply stop hiring contractors for a year. If the global depression is worsening beyond that, expect massive layoffs.
  • Eastsider,

    This is anecdotal. I was talking with a friend after rowing this morning. He's currently waiting to hear from MS about a position (permanent) that they are re-evaluating, but more importantly he heard from his contacts at MS that they are pulling open permanent positions.
  • LUC,
    From the email sent out internally by Ballmer they are "strategically evaluating" hiring for open permanent positions. In the meanwhile people who have come back from this weeks conference have said that record amount of work is pushed to contractors.
  • That e-mail that you are referring too was reported in the newpapers several weeks ago (10-4-08).


    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2008227096_microsofthiring04.html

    The information I was told by my friend is from a week and a half ago. So, what's your point?
  • Ummm. LUC. I saw an email a week ago. IMHO MS doesn't forge timestamps.
    What is your point?

    My point was is contractors got pushed a ton of work just last week. One medium company is billing MS over $85k a week as of last week.
    That is what MS has done, is taking back on hiring perms and using contractors for their work. :)
  • "Ummm. LUC. I saw an email a week ago. IMHO MS doesn't forge timestamps.
    What is your point?"


    What are you talking about? Forge timestamps??? I included a link to Seattle Times article dated 10-4-08 that discussed them re-evaluating its current hiring plans. Anyway, the topic of the discussion is hiring freezes.
  • mukoh wrote:
    In the meanwhile people who have come back from this weeks conference have said that record amount of work is pushed to contractors.

    cool. companies like volt or other temp agencies may be hiring then.
  • LUC,
    I was referring to a particular email by Ballmer. You are referring to an article. If you read the email then you would understand what was being talked about.
  • Is this the article that I linked from the Seattle Times any different from the e-mail that you read? Because if you read the article it mentions that they are re-evaluating its current hiring plans.

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2008227096_microsofthiring04.html

    Originally published Saturday, October 4, 2008 at 12:00 AM

    Microsoft hiring plans to face "adjustment" as tech spending slows
    Microsoft confirmed Friday it's re-evaluating its current hiring plans and "will make some adjustments as appropriate." Those adjustments are likely to be downward, given Chief Executive Steve Ballmer's recent comments about Microsoft being affected by the economic slowdown.
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