You seem like a well read guy, so I'll assume you're familiar with Occam's Razor.
So, consider the following options:
A) An intelligent, charismatic man from an atypical American upbringing goes to college and law school, teaches law while also doing community organizing, and eventually runs for some low level political posts. He catches a few eyes, makes a good speech in front of a few million people, then runs for president 4 years later, BARELY beats his primary challengers, and goes on to run an election based on... hope and change (which is basically the platform of any non-incumbant).
or
A guy with no traceable background, but with a good personality and dark skin, is identified and groomed by a bunch of people with dubious pasts to rewrite the world order, with blacks taking over from whites, and Socialists replacing whatever it is we have now. These same Socialists, working behind the scenes in one of the most capitalist oriented countries, pull strings and create a global economic disaster, timed perfectly to ensure the "messiah" will get elected. They then convince several VERY high ranking anti-government elected officials to undertake the privatizing of banks, just to provide some cover. Once the "messiah" is elected, the string pullers will then socialize the country, while killing all the capitalists.
... or something like that.
Option B requires some interesting assumptions, in this case:
1) William Ayers decided blowing up buildings wouldn't work, and instead the way to achieve his goals was to... lay low in Chicago, get a bunch of degrees, become an education advocate, and patiently wait 25 years until the right black man with an electable personality came along.
2) ACORN managed to find 1.3 million bogus voters... and will get them all to vote... for their guy... (Bit of an aside: 1.3 million bogus voters would only represent about 1/3 of Obama's estimated current margin of victory)
3) "Activist" judges were allowing millions of said bogus voters to vote, despite challenges by the GOP to disallow as many poor/minority voters to vote as possible.
Anyway... the point is that believing B is a *huge* leap of faith and requires belief in some really far fetched stories. Soem of these are tin-hat paranoia domain. Honestly, the theories that the US Government perpetuated 9/11 have more substance.
I hear what you are saying here. The problem is that I think most of what is happening is A, but your A is very high level without details. The devil is in the details.
And There is a lot of confirmed stuff from B, but not all of it. For example, Acorn only needs to get enough fraudulent votes to tip the balance. and Ayers doesn't have to have a plan B from the beginning in order to come up with one later. And it may not be quite as sophisticated as you try to make it. I strongly believe B3 is going on. And much of the "complicated conspiracies" in option B are neither complicated nor conspiracies. They are just people doing what they think they can with what they have.
What confuses me, is that if Obama is in such total control of the entire world already, then 1) Why is he even running for president and 2) Why hasn't he sent goons to Robroy's home to break his fingers so he can't use them to expose Obama's nefarious plots?
I still strongly believe that McCain will win, but I am no longer strongly believing he will have a landslide. I do think it is possible though.
While we're all just making things up to suit ourselves, I am now predicting that McCain will only win the states I'm now calling the "GunBelt": Idaho, Utah, Wyoming, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas. That's 64 EC votes.
Alright, so neither prediction is likely, but mine will be closer. McCain could win fewer than 150 EC votes. He's now defending Montana and holding a narrowing lead in Arizona. Even Mondale won his home state. I just hope that the total whooping the republicans take next week forces them to stop and realize they've lost their way. Maybe they'll recognize republican is now synonymous with reckless spending and so forth. Hopefully, they resolve to fix it.
I'm worried that instead, they'll double down on one of the most partisan and stubborn groups in American Politics today: Palin Republicans.
What confuses me, is that if Obama is in such total control of the entire world already, then 1) Why is he even running for president and 2) Why hasn't he sent goons to Robroy's home to break his fingers so he can't use them to expose Obama's nefarious plots?
But I have no doubt that he sees becoming president of the US, already the most powerful office on the planet, as the first step to becoming president of the world. Listen to his speeches. Listen to the actual words he uses. He is promoting himself not as a citizen of the US but a citizen of the world. The controversy over his actual country of birth is but sauce on the mix.
Obama is not "in control of the entire world already", but if he is elected to the most powerful office in the world, people may want to reflect on what happened to Joe the plumber, as well as a couple of TV stations that asked "difficult" questions. If he wins, there may indeed eventually be goons at my door. If they can find me.
I have read his record, followed up on information on who he "hangs out with" and listended to and read his, and his mentors, words. When McCain wins, we will have dodged a bullet of LITERALLY Hitler/Lenin proportions - or greater. If he is to win, I go back to Revelation 18. I would be very wary that we are indeed in the time discussed in Revelation, Daniel, Ezekiel, et-al.
What confuses me, is that if Obama is in such total control of the entire world already, then 1) Why is he even running for president and 2) Why hasn't he sent goons to Robroy's home to break his fingers so he can't use them to expose Obama's nefarious plots?
But I have no doubt that he sees becoming president of the US, already the most powerful office on the planet, as the first step to becoming president of the world. Listen to his speeches. Listen to the actual words he uses. He is promoting himself not as a citizen of the US but a citizen of the world. The controversy over his actual country of birth is but sauce on the mix.
Obama is not "in control of the entire world already", but if he is elected to the most powerful office in the world, people may want to reflect on what happened to Joe the plumber, as well as a couple of TV stations that asked "difficult" questions. If he wins, there may indeed eventually be goons at my door. If they can find me.
I have read his record, followed up on information on who he "hangs out with" and listended to and read his, and his mentors, words. When McCain wins, we will have dodged a bullet of LITERALLY Hitler/Lenin proportions - or greater. If he is to win, I go back to Revelation 18. I would be very wary that we are indeed in the time discussed in Revelation, Daniel, Ezekiel, et-al.
Dead serious here.
You know, most of the stuff about Joe the Plumber is stuff that is easily accessible by anyone who knows how to navigate county public records.
The controversy over his place of birth is only of interest to conspiracy theorists Rob.
It was the press who really tore up Joe the Plumber. I thought Obama gave him a great answer, and it is McCain who brought him up repeatedly in the debate.
As far as the "difficult question" post, have you not noticed how the Bush Admin has made the press completely impotent over the last 8 years because of his actions in kicking out press corps who dared to ask difficult questions? How about a few years back when Newsweek ran a story on Guantanamo that Bush denounced and screamed at them to post a retraction? They did based on intimidation, then it turned out the story was right.
Or the McCain camp cancelling interviews with CNN because they weren't "fair" with Tucker. Or their insistence on the press handling Palin with kid gloves?
I actually asked a couple of weeks back why you think the US would be the country in Rev 18. Why do you believe that?
I think that's interesting, but it seems like the gut of her concern is over the treatment of Joe the Plumber and a perceived lack of respect for women from the democratic party.
I don't buy the later argument. She is bothered that some people have attacked both Clinton and Palin. That's politics, it's how it works. Both candidates knew this, and if they hadn't they would have taken their ball and gone home. Though I dislike most attacks, I think it's overall been a positive thing that we don't condescend or patronize them by treating them with kids gloves. If Obama had picked Hilary as VP (and she accepted), the republican campaign would have had a field day smearing her.
The Joe incident, I believe, speaks more on the terror that our 24/7 news cycle has become. He got the same treatment that just about any sudden celebrity gets. Paris Hilton or the like get it worse, and they are arguably less important than a figurehead for a presidential campaign (Hilton's own "ad" notwithstanding).
But I have no doubt that he sees becoming president of the US, already the most powerful office on the planet, as the first step to becoming president of the world.
Huh? No doubt? None? You have 100% certainty that this entire election is about who gets to control a new one-world-government? Seriously?
You know, most of the stuff about Joe the Plumber is stuff that is easily accessible by anyone who knows how to navigate county public records.
True, but it misses the point of the complaint. It is the equivalent of the government doing a tax audit on someone simply because they don't like what he is doing politically. As with so much in life, it is not about what you do, it is about WHY you do it.
The controversy over his place of birth is only of interest to conspiracy theorists Rob.
Not true. It is not about conspiracies. It is about the constitutional requirements that must be met for someone to be president. And no valid birth certificate has been offered. And the governor of Alaska (republican btw) has ordered his birth certificate sealed. It reminds me of Kerry's refusal to sign a form 180.
It was the press who really tore up Joe the Plumber. I thought Obama gave him a great answer, and it is McCain who brought him up repeatedly in the debate.
It was both the MSM and obama who are tearing him up. Obama's answer is killing him. And McCain brought him up repeatedly in a positive light. The thing is, the news should not have been about Joe the plumber. The news should have been about his question and Obama's answer. But the MSM went for low hanging fruit that would sell papers and increase viewers – which caused some to completely miss the ramifications of Obama's answer. Fortunately, more thoughtful people did pay attention
As far as the "difficult question" post, have you not noticed how the Bush Admin has made the press completely impotent over the last 8 years because of his actions in kicking out press corps who dared to ask difficult questions? How about a few years back when Newsweek ran a story on Guantanamo that Bush denounced and screamed at them to post a retraction? They did based on intimidation, then it turned out the story was right.
Yeah, I hate it when they do that. Seriously! This is why I am not voting for Bush.
Or the McCain camp cancelling interviews with CNN because they weren't "fair" with Tucker. Or their insistence on the press handling Palin with kid gloves?
I missed the former and consider the latter to be opinion only. If they are doing it, I don't like that either. This one may mostly be a wash.
I actually asked a couple of weeks back why you think the US would be the country in Rev 18. Why do you believe that
I thought I had responded before I went to Kentucky. Anyway, here is some more:
About a decade ago I was noticing the verbiage in Rev 18:11-13. It really sounded like, if the tribulation was to occur in the near term (next 20 years or so) that it was describing the US when talking of the great destruction of the "city" of Babylon during the tribulation:
"The merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her because no one buys their cargoes any more— cargoes of gold, silver, precious stones and pearls; fine linen, purple, silk and scarlet cloth; every sort of citron wood, and articles of every kind made of ivory, costly wood, bronze, iron and marble; cargoes of cinnamon and spice, of incense, myrrh and frankincense, of wine and olive oil, of fine flour and wheat; cattle and sheep; horses and carriages; and bodies and souls of men."
When you put it in context with all of Bible prophesy regarding this time period it causes (for me at least) a strong interest in doing more study. Even the last words in the scripture above discuss something that most definitely happened in the US during it's lifetime.
Matthew 24 talks about the things that must take place within a specific generation in the end. The bible further says that a human lifespan (after the flood) would be 70 years. From other scriptures, Israel's return to being a nation is possibly part of this generation.
Israel became a nation in 1948. In Matthew 24:34 Jesus said the events will all happen in one generation. That would put a latest date of roughly 2018. I am not setting dates for it is clear that it cannot be done. But it is also clear from Matthew 24:32-33 that we will have a "rough idea". That is covered in other scriptures as well.
And then we have the 70th week of Daniel...but this isn't an end times Bible study.
All of this stuff is interesting speculation to me but not my main Christian focus. It does tell me to educate myself, watch, and wait and, within the context of why I mention this in the first place, Jesus' words "watch out that no one deceives you". It is what I am trying to do.
And I see right through Obama. We've been there before.
Huh? No doubt? None? You have 100% certainty that this entire election is about who gets to control a new one-world-government? Seriously?
Partially correct.
If McCain wins, no. I do not think that it is his goal. I consider him a nationalist patriot. I am no fan of the man but I think his goal is to ensure the government works for the interests of the US people in a very dangerous world of an "anarchy of nations".
In regards to treating Palin with kid gloves, it's not a matter of opinion. Rick Davis said early on that they wouldn't allow access from the press unless she was treated with "some level of respect and deference". Meaning they wanted her to get special treatment.
In regards to treating Palin with kid gloves, it's not a matter of opinion. Rick Davis said early on that they wouldn't allow access from the press unless she was treated with "some level of respect and deference". Meaning they wanted her to get special treatment.
"Some level of respect and deference" is in no way translatable to "kid gloves" or "special treatment". I've seen the way those "60 minutes style" interviews go. I saw the look on Charlies face when he interviewed Sarah vs when he interviewed Obama. I saw the line of questioning differences. His refusal to address her as "Governor Palin". That sort of stuff.
You invalidate your own position by carrying it to the most absurd extreme possible. I have nothing kind to say about this admission, so I will leave it at that.
It was the press who really tore up Joe the Plumber. I thought Obama gave him a great answer, and it is McCain who brought him up repeatedly in the debate.
It was both the MSM and obama who are tearing him up. Obama's answer is killing him.
Did I miss a new hip slang out there? Does "killing him" now mean doing no discernible damage at all? Poll numbers usually tighten as election day approaches, but since the debate Obama has more or less held his numbers steady.
Ok, here's my favorite new McCain gaffe. It's clear what he meant, but the crowd reaction is still humorous. Notice how when he first says it a couple try to cheer and then it grows eerily silent? Nobody behind him even seems to blink, like they are ignoring his speech and off daydreaming.
"You know, I think you may have noticed that Senator Obama's supporters have been saying some pretty nasty things about Western Pennsylvania lately," McCain told the audience in the town of Moon Township. "And you know, I couldn't agree with them more."
If Obama had this slip, Robroy would have posted 5 links with videos and responses about how he's communist. McCain does it and it mostly goes unnoticed, except to remark how far out of the race he really is.
You invalidate your own position by carrying it to the most absurd extreme possible. I have nothing kind to say about this admission, so I will leave it at that.
Time will tell. That is, if Obama should somehow win this thing.
Ok, here's my favorite new McCain gaffe. It's clear what he meant, but the crowd reaction is still humorous. Notice how when he first says it a couple try to cheer and then it grows eerily silent? Nobody behind him even seems to blink, like they are ignoring his speech and off daydreaming.
That was pretty funny. But they knew what he meant, and he very sloppily clarified immediately. It drives me nuts when people say "I could care less". I always assume they mean "I couldn't care less".
If Obama had this slip, Robroy would have posted 5 links with videos and responses about how he's communist. McCain does it and it mostly goes unnoticed, except to remark how far out of the race he really is.
No. I am interested in slips of substance - like Obama's redistributing the wealth comment. I do think people give him a free pass on the "57 states" comment though. At first I thought he was just tired and really meant 47 states or something. That is, until I saw this:http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=57+states+of+islam&aq=1&oq=57+states+of+
It ma be coincidence, but just sayin'.
Obama's little commercial didn't really offer anything that most people didn't already know, but I think that it could be effective for those people who are on the fence. I thought it was pretty well made.
This won't help you decide who to vote for, but it does show you what's really wrong with mindset of some McCain supporters. Actually, it sounds a lot like some of the refuse Robroy has been typing up.
Why do biggest dumb-asses spout this nonsense and then telling us how ignorant we are for not recognizing that Obama is a terrorist communist baby-eating America-hating white-man-subordinating secret Muslim?
Can you imagine anyone intelligent or witty saying that? Someone with a post-graduate degree or proven acumen? A doctor, a lawyer, a professor or statesman? Anyone who isn't white trash? I can't. So I'll repose my question. How did we end up in a society where literally the stupidest, most biased, and least inquisitive people feel they are qualified to call everyone else out for being uninformed. If that's "Real America", then America is a pretty sh**y place to live!
Makes me wonder if McCain's slip up was really how he felt. Maybe he's a little disgusted with his own supporters, but he needs or else he'll lose this election by a lot instead of a little. In other words, that was a Freudian Slip and not a regular old gaffe.
This won't help you decide who to vote for, but it does show you what's really wrong with mindset of some McCain supporters. Actually, it sounds a lot like some of the refuse Robroy has been typing up.
Why do biggest dumb-asses spout this nonsense and then telling us how ignorant we are for not recognizing that Obama is a terrorist communist baby-eating America-hating white-man-subordinating secret Muslim?
Can you imagine anyone intelligent or witty saying that? Someone with a post-graduate degree or proven acumen? A doctor, a lawyer, a professor or statesman? Anyone who isn't white trash? I can't. So I'll repose my question. How did we end up in a society where literally the stupidest, most biased, and least inquisitive people feel they are qualified to call everyone else out for being uninformed. If that's "Real America", then America is a pretty sh**y place to live!
Makes me wonder if McCain's slip up was really how he felt. Maybe he's a little disgusted with his own supporters, but he needs or else he'll lose this election by a lot instead of a little. In other words, that was a Freudian Slip and not a regular old gaffe.
The guy at :30 looks just like the preacher in There WIll Be Blood.
The guy at :30 looks just like the preacher in There WIll Be Blood.
I wanted to add that these were neither baited interviews, nor were they outliers. The interviewer asked two non-leading questions; why are you here, and what do you think of Obama. To the first, people responded "Sarah Palin" and to the second they...well, watch for yourself.
He also carefully skirts around Godwins law and depends on the readers inferences.
Uh...no. What he actually did was employ a false analogy, the same one you've used. In summary, Obama says we need change, so did some bad dudes, therefore Obama is a bad dude.
It doesn't work that way. Robroy, you hate Hitler, so did Stalin. Ergo, you are equivalent to Joseph Stalin. That is the exact same "logic" you seem so impressed by. It's not impressive, it's just lazy.
Here's something that's actually interesting. I've been complaining for a few weeks about the way we are dividing ourselves and not communicating. It turns out we are no longer reading the same books either.
He also carefully skirts around Godwins law and depends on the readers inferences.
Uh...no. What he actually did was employ a false analogy, the same one you've used. In summary, Obama says we need change, so did some bad dudes, therefore Obama is a bad dude.
No, what he said was "The magic word 'change' makes specifics unnecessary. If things are going bad, some think that what is needed is blank-check "change." But history shows any number of countries in crises worse than ours, where 'change' turned problems into catastrophes."
That is an important observation to any student of history.
It doesn't work that way. Robroy, you hate Hitler, so did Stalin. Ergo, you are equivalent to Joseph Stalin. That is the exact same "logic" you seem so impressed by. It's not impressive, it's just lazy.
No, it is not. It is pointing out that unqualified promises of "change" can literally take you from the frying pan to the fire. That fire can be Communism, socialism, fascism, etc.
Here's something that's actually interesting. I've been complaining for a few weeks about the way we are dividing ourselves and not communicating. It turns out we are no longer reading the same books either.
It is because people are talking but nobody is listening. I am, and I don't like what I am hearing. I have experienced what Sowell talked of here:
An e-mail from a reader mentioned trying to tell his sister why he was voting against Obama but, when he tried to argue some facts, she cut him short: "You don't like him and I do!" she said. End of discussion.
I've experienced that with a couple of people. I listen to their comments and when I try to respond back they try to shout me down or argue "moral parity". One even said "you can't know who to believe anymore so I go with Obama". Sheesh...
This won't help you decide who to vote for, but it does show you what's really wrong with mindset of some McCain supporters. Actually, it sounds a lot like some of the refuse Robroy has been typing up.
Why do biggest dumb-asses spout this nonsense and then telling us how ignorant we are for not recognizing that Obama is a terrorist communist baby-eating America-hating white-man-subordinating secret Muslim?
Are these people interviewed the "biggest dumb-asses" and also "...telling us how ignorant we are...". Or are you painting with a broad brush.
Something I read about recently in line with the Bradley effect, which is equally un-provable is the Bandwagon Effect.
I find it strange that Obama is buying ad time in Arizona now, even though the polls there are close. However, I think this is part of an overall strategy to show McCain as losing everywhere, even in his home state in order to produce more press and to maybe create a bandwagon effect in states that do matter.
I mean, I think most people want to honestly tell their grandkids that they voted for the first black president.
Something I read about recently in line with the Bradley effect, which is equally un-provable is the Bandwagon Effect.
I find it strange that Obama is buying ad time in Arizona now, even though the polls there are close. However, I think this is part of an overall strategy to show McCain as losing everywhere, even in his home state in order to produce more press and to maybe create a bandwagon effect in states that do matter.
I mean, I think most people want to honestly tell their grandkids that they voted for the first black president.
Yeah, you may be right about that, especially with the last sentence.
On a related note, both sides seem to be focusing on areas that "common wisdom" tells us they cannot win. This is hands down the most interesting election cycle in my lifetime. It is serously entertaining. It would be even more so if it were not for the extreme seriousness of the election.
On a related note, both sides seem to be focusing on areas that "common wisdom" tells us they cannot win. This is hands down the most interesting election cycle in my lifetime. It is serously entertaining. It would be even more so if it were not for the extreme seriousness of the election.
Well, I think the only place McCain is focusing that Bush didn't win is Pennsylvania. It is considered a swing state, and without it he'll lose for certain so that's not too surprising. Plus, Obama is leading in several Bush states, so that's why he's campaigning in those places.
I think Chuck is right about Arizona. It's unlikely Obama will win there, but it's actually close enough and he has enough money to advertise there. Plus, it damages the republicans even more if McCain were to inexplicably lose Arizona. At that point, they would literally be starting over from scratch.
Are these people interviewed the "biggest dumb-asses" and also "...telling us how ignorant we are...". Or are you painting with a broad brush.
The first one, actually. I would never suggest that all or even a majority of McCain supporters are that bad. However, it's abundantly clear that when Palin speaks to the "Real America" she is drawing a large portion of these deadbeats.
Agreed. There are absolutely idiots who support Obama as well. Let's just assume (for the sake of argument) that 90% of the nation are reasonable people, and that 10% of McCain and 10% of Obama supporters are just idiots. The distinction I would like to draw, is that the a lot of the idiot Obama supporters tend to just be lazy-brained idiots. These are the guys who say "he's for change, and I like that." You'll no doubt agree with that "broad brush". I'll follow it up by saying a lot of the idiot McCain supporters are angry closet (or not) racists.
I'd rather we had neither of these people, but if we have to have them, I'd prefer that they be just uninformed instead of uninformed and angry.
There are nuts on both sides. Seek and you shall find. And trust me, Al Jazeera is indeed seeking.
I think if you want a reasonable reflection of America, you have to look at international media: BBC and Al Jazeera being two of the largest options. I wouldn't necessarily take everything they said as gospel truth, particularly if it's regarding charged issues like Palestine, but they are still a valuable news source. Unfortunately, most Americans only really know them as the "new group that airs the videos the terrorists release" so they wrongly assume it is a terrorist news organization.
If you want to know how the world sees America though, you need to at least occasionally check out BBC and Al Jazeera.
I don't know why anyone finds it "special" when a black man publicly supports McCain. If everyone was only voting for their own race, McCain would win with 70% of the vote. This guy, he's voting on his issues, which is fine but I find his "hip-hop" style grating. Kind of like that "Yes We Can" Obama video actually.
Are these people interviewed the "biggest dumb-asses" and also "...telling us how ignorant we are...". Or are you painting with a broad brush.
The first one, actually. I would never suggest that all or even a majority of McCain supporters are that bad. However, it's abundantly clear that when Palin speaks to the "Real America" she is drawing a large portion of these deadbeats.
Agreed. There are absolutely idiots who support Obama as well. Let's just assume (for the sake of argument) that 90% of the nation are reasonable people, and that 10% of McCain and 10% of Obama supporters are just idiots. The distinction I would like to draw, is that the a lot of the idiot Obama supporters tend to just be lazy-brained idiots. These are the guys who say "he's for change, and I like that." You'll no doubt agree with that "broad brush". I'll follow it up by saying a lot of the idiot McCain supporters are angry closet (or not) racists.
I think you are correct except I actually think MOST Obama supporters are racist, and angry. The anger on the right is partly from their frustration with an MSM obama machine.
There are nuts on both sides. Seek and you shall find. And trust me, Al Jazeera is indeed seeking.
I think if you want a reasonable reflection of America, you have to look at international media: BBC and Al Jazeera being two of the largest options. I wouldn't necessarily take everything they said as gospel truth, particularly if it's regarding charged issues like Palestine, but they are still a valuable news source. Unfortunately, most Americans only really know them as the "new group that airs the videos the terrorists release" so they wrongly assume it is a terrorist news organization.
I'll agree with you on BBC. Regarding Al Jazeera, we'll have to disagree. I do like API though.
If you want to know how the world sees America though, you need to at least occasionally check out BBC and Al Jazeera.
I don't know why anyone finds it "special" when a black man publicly supports McCain. If everyone was only voting for their own race, McCain would win with 70% of the vote. This guy, he's voting on his issues, which is fine but I find his "hip-hop" style grating. Kind of like that "Yes We Can" Obama video actually.
It was not his race that impressed me. It was the content of his thoughts.
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And There is a lot of confirmed stuff from B, but not all of it. For example, Acorn only needs to get enough fraudulent votes to tip the balance. and Ayers doesn't have to have a plan B from the beginning in order to come up with one later. And it may not be quite as sophisticated as you try to make it. I strongly believe B3 is going on. And much of the "complicated conspiracies" in option B are neither complicated nor conspiracies. They are just people doing what they think they can with what they have.
IOW, I choose option C.
What confuses me, is that if Obama is in such total control of the entire world already, then 1) Why is he even running for president and 2) Why hasn't he sent goons to Robroy's home to break his fingers so he can't use them to expose Obama's nefarious plots?
While we're all just making things up to suit ourselves, I am now predicting that McCain will only win the states I'm now calling the "GunBelt": Idaho, Utah, Wyoming, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas. That's 64 EC votes.
Alright, so neither prediction is likely, but mine will be closer. McCain could win fewer than 150 EC votes. He's now defending Montana and holding a narrowing lead in Arizona. Even Mondale won his home state. I just hope that the total whooping the republicans take next week forces them to stop and realize they've lost their way. Maybe they'll recognize republican is now synonymous with reckless spending and so forth. Hopefully, they resolve to fix it.
I'm worried that instead, they'll double down on one of the most partisan and stubborn groups in American Politics today: Palin Republicans.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladni ... gnored-msm
And feel free to google her:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%2 ... 2&aq=f&oq=
More articles there.
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/28/j ... ds-search/
http://www.toledofreepress.com/2008/10/ ... ds-search/
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2118403/posts
But I have no doubt that he sees becoming president of the US, already the most powerful office on the planet, as the first step to becoming president of the world. Listen to his speeches. Listen to the actual words he uses. He is promoting himself not as a citizen of the US but a citizen of the world. The controversy over his actual country of birth is but sauce on the mix.
Obama is not "in control of the entire world already", but if he is elected to the most powerful office in the world, people may want to reflect on what happened to Joe the plumber, as well as a couple of TV stations that asked "difficult" questions. If he wins, there may indeed eventually be goons at my door. If they can find me.
I have read his record, followed up on information on who he "hangs out with" and listended to and read his, and his mentors, words. When McCain wins, we will have dodged a bullet of LITERALLY Hitler/Lenin proportions - or greater. If he is to win, I go back to Revelation 18. I would be very wary that we are indeed in the time discussed in Revelation, Daniel, Ezekiel, et-al.
Dead serious here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg4Njtmbb10
You know, most of the stuff about Joe the Plumber is stuff that is easily accessible by anyone who knows how to navigate county public records.
The controversy over his place of birth is only of interest to conspiracy theorists Rob.
It was the press who really tore up Joe the Plumber. I thought Obama gave him a great answer, and it is McCain who brought him up repeatedly in the debate.
As far as the "difficult question" post, have you not noticed how the Bush Admin has made the press completely impotent over the last 8 years because of his actions in kicking out press corps who dared to ask difficult questions? How about a few years back when Newsweek ran a story on Guantanamo that Bush denounced and screamed at them to post a retraction? They did based on intimidation, then it turned out the story was right.
Or the McCain camp cancelling interviews with CNN because they weren't "fair" with Tucker. Or their insistence on the press handling Palin with kid gloves?
I actually asked a couple of weeks back why you think the US would be the country in Rev 18. Why do you believe that?
I think that's interesting, but it seems like the gut of her concern is over the treatment of Joe the Plumber and a perceived lack of respect for women from the democratic party.
I don't buy the later argument. She is bothered that some people have attacked both Clinton and Palin. That's politics, it's how it works. Both candidates knew this, and if they hadn't they would have taken their ball and gone home. Though I dislike most attacks, I think it's overall been a positive thing that we don't condescend or patronize them by treating them with kids gloves. If Obama had picked Hilary as VP (and she accepted), the republican campaign would have had a field day smearing her.
The Joe incident, I believe, speaks more on the terror that our 24/7 news cycle has become. He got the same treatment that just about any sudden celebrity gets. Paris Hilton or the like get it worse, and they are arguably less important than a figurehead for a presidential campaign (Hilton's own "ad" notwithstanding).
Huh? No doubt? None? You have 100% certainty that this entire election is about who gets to control a new one-world-government? Seriously?
About a decade ago I was noticing the verbiage in Rev 18:11-13. It really sounded like, if the tribulation was to occur in the near term (next 20 years or so) that it was describing the US when talking of the great destruction of the "city" of Babylon during the tribulation:
"The merchants of the earth will weep and mourn over her because no one buys their cargoes any more— cargoes of gold, silver, precious stones and pearls; fine linen, purple, silk and scarlet cloth; every sort of citron wood, and articles of every kind made of ivory, costly wood, bronze, iron and marble; cargoes of cinnamon and spice, of incense, myrrh and frankincense, of wine and olive oil, of fine flour and wheat; cattle and sheep; horses and carriages; and bodies and souls of men."
When you put it in context with all of Bible prophesy regarding this time period it causes (for me at least) a strong interest in doing more study. Even the last words in the scripture above discuss something that most definitely happened in the US during it's lifetime.
Matthew 24 talks about the things that must take place within a specific generation in the end. The bible further says that a human lifespan (after the flood) would be 70 years. From other scriptures, Israel's return to being a nation is possibly part of this generation.
Israel became a nation in 1948. In Matthew 24:34 Jesus said the events will all happen in one generation. That would put a latest date of roughly 2018. I am not setting dates for it is clear that it cannot be done. But it is also clear from Matthew 24:32-33 that we will have a "rough idea". That is covered in other scriptures as well.
And then we have the 70th week of Daniel...but this isn't an end times Bible study.
Matthew 24:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?bo ... xt=chapter
Just for kicks I googled "revelation 18 united states". It turns out this is a topic of no small amount of discussion.:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=re ... ation+18+u
All of this stuff is interesting speculation to me but not my main Christian focus. It does tell me to educate myself, watch, and wait and, within the context of why I mention this in the first place, Jesus' words "watch out that no one deceives you". It is what I am trying to do.
And I see right through Obama. We've been there before.
If McCain wins, no. I do not think that it is his goal. I consider him a nationalist patriot. I am no fan of the man but I think his goal is to ensure the government works for the interests of the US people in a very dangerous world of an "anarchy of nations".
Obama, yes. No doubt whatsoever.
"Some level of respect and deference" is in no way translatable to "kid gloves" or "special treatment". I've seen the way those "60 minutes style" interviews go. I saw the look on Charlies face when he interviewed Sarah vs when he interviewed Obama. I saw the line of questioning differences. His refusal to address her as "Governor Palin". That sort of stuff.
Kid gloves? You be the judge:
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/200 ... _ques.html
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/ ... views.html
http://nospeedbumps.com/?p=1564
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/13/d ... for-palin/
http://blogsforvictory.com/2008/09/14/c ... ie-gibson/
You invalidate your own position by carrying it to the most absurd extreme possible. I have nothing kind to say about this admission, so I will leave it at that.
Did I miss a new hip slang out there? Does "killing him" now mean doing no discernible damage at all? Poll numbers usually tighten as election day approaches, but since the debate Obama has more or less held his numbers steady.
Ok, here's my favorite new McCain gaffe. It's clear what he meant, but the crowd reaction is still humorous. Notice how when he first says it a couple try to cheer and then it grows eerily silent? Nobody behind him even seems to blink, like they are ignoring his speech and off daydreaming.
If Obama had this slip, Robroy would have posted 5 links with videos and responses about how he's communist. McCain does it and it mostly goes unnoticed, except to remark how far out of the race he really is.
That was pretty funny. But they knew what he meant, and he very sloppily clarified immediately. It drives me nuts when people say "I could care less". I always assume they mean "I couldn't care less".
It ma be coincidence, but just sayin'.
http://suburbanjournals.stltoday.com/ar ... arcia0.txt
Broken link.
This won't help you decide who to vote for, but it does show you what's really wrong with mindset of some McCain supporters. Actually, it sounds a lot like some of the refuse Robroy has been typing up.
Why do biggest dumb-asses spout this nonsense and then telling us how ignorant we are for not recognizing that Obama is a terrorist communist baby-eating America-hating white-man-subordinating secret Muslim?
Can you imagine anyone intelligent or witty saying that? Someone with a post-graduate degree or proven acumen? A doctor, a lawyer, a professor or statesman? Anyone who isn't white trash? I can't. So I'll repose my question. How did we end up in a society where literally the stupidest, most biased, and least inquisitive people feel they are qualified to call everyone else out for being uninformed. If that's "Real America", then America is a pretty sh**y place to live!
Makes me wonder if McCain's slip up was really how he felt. Maybe he's a little disgusted with his own supporters, but he needs or else he'll lose this election by a lot instead of a little. In other words, that was a Freudian Slip and not a regular old gaffe.
The guy at :30 looks just like the preacher in There WIll Be Blood.
I wanted to add that these were neither baited interviews, nor were they outliers. The interviewer asked two non-leading questions; why are you here, and what do you think of Obama. To the first, people responded "Sarah Palin" and to the second they...well, watch for yourself.
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell102108.php3
Uh...no. What he actually did was employ a false analogy, the same one you've used. In summary, Obama says we need change, so did some bad dudes, therefore Obama is a bad dude.
It doesn't work that way. Robroy, you hate Hitler, so did Stalin. Ergo, you are equivalent to Joseph Stalin. That is the exact same "logic" you seem so impressed by. It's not impressive, it's just lazy.
Here's something that's actually interesting. I've been complaining for a few weeks about the way we are dividing ourselves and not communicating. It turns out we are no longer reading the same books either.
That is an important observation to any student of history.
No, it is not. It is pointing out that unqualified promises of "change" can literally take you from the frying pan to the fire. That fire can be Communism, socialism, fascism, etc.
It is because people are talking but nobody is listening. I am, and I don't like what I am hearing. I have experienced what Sowell talked of here:
I've experienced that with a couple of people. I listen to their comments and when I try to respond back they try to shout me down or argue "moral parity". One even said "you can't know who to believe anymore so I go with Obama". Sheesh...
you talk about lazy!
I can also find Obama supporters in Harlem that think Palin is Obama's running mate. So?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nyvqhdll ... =rec-fresh
There are nuts on both sides. Seek and you shall find. And trust me, Al Jazeera is indeed seeking.
Here is a good McCain supporter that may say it better:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxhYampIl7A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acQluy7n ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/user/machosauceproduction
I find it strange that Obama is buying ad time in Arizona now, even though the polls there are close. However, I think this is part of an overall strategy to show McCain as losing everywhere, even in his home state in order to produce more press and to maybe create a bandwagon effect in states that do matter.
I mean, I think most people want to honestly tell their grandkids that they voted for the first black president.
On a related note, both sides seem to be focusing on areas that "common wisdom" tells us they cannot win. This is hands down the most interesting election cycle in my lifetime. It is serously entertaining. It would be even more so if it were not for the extreme seriousness of the election.
Well, I think the only place McCain is focusing that Bush didn't win is Pennsylvania. It is considered a swing state, and without it he'll lose for certain so that's not too surprising. Plus, Obama is leading in several Bush states, so that's why he's campaigning in those places.
I think Chuck is right about Arizona. It's unlikely Obama will win there, but it's actually close enough and he has enough money to advertise there. Plus, it damages the republicans even more if McCain were to inexplicably lose Arizona. At that point, they would literally be starting over from scratch.
The first one, actually. I would never suggest that all or even a majority of McCain supporters are that bad. However, it's abundantly clear that when Palin speaks to the "Real America" she is drawing a large portion of these deadbeats.
Agreed. There are absolutely idiots who support Obama as well. Let's just assume (for the sake of argument) that 90% of the nation are reasonable people, and that 10% of McCain and 10% of Obama supporters are just idiots. The distinction I would like to draw, is that the a lot of the idiot Obama supporters tend to just be lazy-brained idiots. These are the guys who say "he's for change, and I like that." You'll no doubt agree with that "broad brush". I'll follow it up by saying a lot of the idiot McCain supporters are angry closet (or not) racists.
I'd rather we had neither of these people, but if we have to have them, I'd prefer that they be just uninformed instead of uninformed and angry.
I think if you want a reasonable reflection of America, you have to look at international media: BBC and Al Jazeera being two of the largest options. I wouldn't necessarily take everything they said as gospel truth, particularly if it's regarding charged issues like Palestine, but they are still a valuable news source. Unfortunately, most Americans only really know them as the "new group that airs the videos the terrorists release" so they wrongly assume it is a terrorist news organization.
If you want to know how the world sees America though, you need to at least occasionally check out BBC and Al Jazeera.
I don't know why anyone finds it "special" when a black man publicly supports McCain. If everyone was only voting for their own race, McCain would win with 70% of the vote. This guy, he's voting on his issues, which is fine but I find his "hip-hop" style grating. Kind of like that "Yes We Can" Obama video actually.
I think you are correct except I actually think MOST Obama supporters are racist, and angry. The anger on the right is partly from their frustration with an MSM obama machine.
I'll agree with you on BBC. Regarding Al Jazeera, we'll have to disagree. I do like API though. Yep. It can sometimes be quite comical too!
It was not his race that impressed me. It was the content of his thoughts.